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Post by Ombud on Aug 2, 2016 15:52:43 GMT -5
Or when you happen to move and don't notify the court of your new address, you're unlikely to receive notice of any proceedings taking place in your absence. The ONLY reason I can think of the court needing an address is if someone has a pending case. So yeah. Get arrested, move, fail to notify court, and it's not the courts fault for issuing a bench warrant!!!
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Post by midjd on Aug 2, 2016 15:59:04 GMT -5
Or when you happen to move and don't notify the court of your new address, you're unlikely to receive notice of any proceedings taking place in your absence. The ONLY reason I can think of the court needing an address is if someone has a pending case. So yeah. Get arrested, move, fail to notify court, and it's not the courts fault for issuing a bench warrant!!! Not necessarily. Many of the people I see being arrested on bench warrants for contempt are small claims defendants. With the courts' contempt powers, it can be very easy to end up in jail without ever being charged with (let alone convicted of) a crime.
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Post by swamp on Aug 2, 2016 16:04:17 GMT -5
I've seen people arrested for driving on a suspended license and suspended registration because DMV said they didn't have insurance. Both charges are misdemeanors, so they get arrested, their plates are seized, and their car towed and impounded, and often bail is set. How much do you think that will cost you?
What happened was they switched insurance companies and there was a glitch in the system where the cancellation of the old policy was reported but the new policy did not get reported.
How dare they shop around for better insurance.
I've also seen a person with the same name, same age as a defendant get arrested on a bench warrant. I've seen siblings steal identities when they are arrested, so the innocent sibling gets picked up on the warrant.
Shit happens. You might not want to be so smug and show some empathy.
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Post by Ombud on Aug 2, 2016 16:10:49 GMT -5
The ONLY reason I can think of the court needing an address is if someone has a pending case. So yeah. Get arrested, move, fail to notify court, and it's not the courts fault for issuing a bench warrant!!! Not necessarily. Many of the people I see being arrested on bench warrants for contempt are small claims defendants. With the courts' contempt powers, it can be very easy to end up in jail without ever being charged with (let alone convicted of) a crime. Then I'll amend my statement: The ONLY reason I can think of the court needing an address is if someone has a pending case. So yeah. Get arrested have an open case, move, fail to notify court, and it's not the courts fault for issuing a bench warrant!!! Are you saying you can be arrested for failing to show in small claims court? Wouldn't you just lose? As to mj, anything under 1 oz is up to a $100 ticket
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Post by midjd on Aug 2, 2016 16:24:12 GMT -5
Not necessarily. Many of the people I see being arrested on bench warrants for contempt are small claims defendants. With the courts' contempt powers, it can be very easy to end up in jail without ever being charged with (let alone convicted of) a crime. Then I'll amend my statement: The ONLY reason I can think of the court needing an address is if someone has a pending case. So yeah. Get arrested have an open case, move, fail to notify court, and it's not the courts fault for issuing a bench warrant!!! Are you saying you can be arrested for failing to show in small claims court? Wouldn't you just lose? As to mj, anything under 1 oz is up to a $100 ticket Once you've had a judgment entered against you, you're still subject to proceedings supplemental (garnishment). Depending on the county and law firm, the notice could be filed the next day or 18 months later. Most people get the order of judgment and assume that's the end of the case, especially if the plaintiff doesn't make any collection efforts for a while. In other cases, someone may have been paying on a judgment for a while and then moved. And sometimes the collection agencies screw up -- or lie.
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Post by Ombud on Aug 2, 2016 16:27:32 GMT -5
It is unfortunate that they are that uneducated but they are still responsible
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 2, 2016 20:03:45 GMT -5
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 2, 2016 20:20:40 GMT -5
I have registration and proof of insurance on my car. Also my drivers license on me. This is a law here.
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Post by swamp on Aug 2, 2016 20:32:42 GMT -5
I have registration and proof of insurance on my car. Also my drivers license on me. This is a law here. Same here. But sometimes the computer system shows something else. I can get and insurance card, but it doesn't mean I paid the monthly premium. Or that I didn't cancel my insurance. Sometimes shit happens. I'm not sure why you are convinced it will never happen to you.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 2, 2016 20:50:09 GMT -5
So people who are poor can't fuck up without having their lives ruined and people who are rich can get away with a small economic blip? OH, and no one innocent is ever arrested. Got it. Carl had a bench warrant for him because of someone else having the same/similar name. He could have ended in a cell if pulled over for a brake light being out. But there are lots of poor people that aren't black. if you don't believe in our criminal justice system than work to fix it for everyone. They are morons and I can't believe anyone takes them seriously.
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Post by Ombud on Aug 2, 2016 21:03:40 GMT -5
Assault + cocaine for personal consumption? Misdemeanors here which translates into county jail or home confinement. Mj without a prescription = $100 fine maximim. Harder drugs + a fight aren't what they used to be for ANYONE Part of the three-strike rule permits judges to reduce a felony to a misdemeanor if they feel it's warranted. This happens far more often than any of you would believe according to the few judges that I personally know. As jails become overcrowded they are exercising their judicial right to modify charges to lessen overcrowding. But even if it wasn't reduced, misdemeanors = minimal jail time if any
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 2, 2016 21:09:12 GMT -5
Id be happy to donate some Norplant.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 2, 2016 22:35:53 GMT -5
It's obviously a troubling development. I'm wary of judging a movement (coalition, call it what you will) the size of BLM by the antics of a relatively small number of people, and this seems to be the case with this event at the DNC. The M4BL report is more worrisome because it putatively represents the views of dozens of organizations and tens of thousands of members. I wish there were more black-led countermovements to denounce such reports. It would be nice if there was a major organization of comparable size, made up of black Americans, to let M4BL know just how ridiculous their list of demands is. The few bullet points I cite in my post are just the tip of the iceberg. The sad thing is that any American struggling with prejudices and trying to view blacks through a "my friend and fellow man" lens is going to take one look at this report and wonder if it's even worth it. There are always going to be conflicts and tensions between the races, and it's hard enough to forgive a person even before they've made it clear they're never going to forgive you. Year by year, my appreciation for the qualities of stoicism, forgiveness, and longsuffering grows.
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Post by Ombud on Aug 2, 2016 22:45:48 GMT -5
I wish BLM movement would address black on black crime, especially murders
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 3, 2016 2:20:57 GMT -5
Face facts? Please.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 3:42:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry but every time I see the acronym BLM, all I can think of is a bowel movement!!! Chalk it up to a childhood with hellish toilet issues. I'm sorry. Carry on.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 3, 2016 7:05:55 GMT -5
I'm sorry but every time I see the acronym BLM, all I can think of is a bowel movement!!! Chalk it up to a childhood with hellish toilet issues. I'm sorry. Carry on. Very accurate description
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 3, 2016 7:38:38 GMT -5
I wish BLM movement would address black on black crime, especially murders How about we address both? They are two completely different issues. Also most crimes are committed between people within the same geographic location, so if a lot of black people live in the same area it makes sense that there would be a lot of black on black crime. There is also lots of white on white crime, but no one seems to care about that....
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 3, 2016 8:11:08 GMT -5
I wish BLM movement would address black on black crime, especially murders How about we address both? They are two completely different issues. Also most crimes are committed between people within the same geographic location, so if a lot of black people live in the same area it makes sense that there would be a lot of black on black crime. There is also lots of white on white crime, but no one seems to care about that.... ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
I disagree with you that no one cares about white on white crime. But if you look at the statistics, black people committed 47% of homicides in 2013 while only making up 13% of the population. And that link is from the FBI so there is no biased in the calculation. You can't argue facts So given this information you don't think that is indicative of a problem in the black community that needs to be addressed?
So while any homicide is clearly a problem, black people do commit homicides at a much higher rate than whites but no one seems to be addressing that. We will never be able to stamp out all homicides but something is going wrong in the black community. But we can't address this because it isn't politically correct. But it is the truth. I also have no doubt that these are most likely inner-city gang related homicides but still, the murder rate is what it is and we can't pretend it doesn't exist.
So I think that is what ombud meant. Or I could be wrong with her intentions but I do think it needs to be addressed.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 3, 2016 8:15:29 GMT -5
and as I said, it should be addressed ALONGSIDE the racial profiling problems.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 3, 2016 8:15:39 GMT -5
I seriously don't care if gang bangers kill each other but they also kill grandmas and little kids. That I care about. Round up these rats and drop them in the middle of nowhere and let them deal. Neighborhoods can go back to being safer and then we can try to help those that are left help themselves.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 3, 2016 8:25:57 GMT -5
I am not saying that there are not issues within the black community. Believe me, I know it is RIFE with problems. I truly feel that if we solve the self esteem, responsibility, and motivation issues with inner city black male youth, we will see a lot of problems disappear over time. Not that they cause all the problems, but they are a large part of a vicious cycle of poverty, crime, incarceration, and absentee parenting.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 3, 2016 8:26:21 GMT -5
and as I said, it should be addressed ALONGSIDE the racial profiling problems. But BLM is only addressing one side and not acknowledging the other. And making outrageous demands now.
This is one of those areas that I think anyone that isn't black is afraid to discuss. There are so many more things I want to ask but I know it will come out wrong and then you all will jump all over me!lol
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 3, 2016 8:29:17 GMT -5
and as I said, it should be addressed ALONGSIDE the racial profiling problems. But BLM is only addressing one side and not acknowledging the other. And making outrageous demands now.
This is one of those areas that I think anyone that isn't black is afraid to discuss. There are so many more things I want to ask but I know it will come out wrong and then you all will jump all over me!lol
I am outraged at the racial profiling (as we all should be) but I am not really a supporter of the BLM movement as it is. I think that if the All Lives Matter movement wasn't created to counter BLM and if they actually took a stand for equal justice for all regardless of skin color, I would be in full support of that group. People forget that there is an implied "Too" at the end of "Black Lives Matter" - not that we are the only ones that matter.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 3, 2016 8:30:46 GMT -5
I am not saying that there are not issues within the black community. Believe me, I know it is RIFE with problems. I truly feel that if we solve the self esteem, responsibility, and motivation issues with inner city black male youth, we will see a lot of problems disappear over time. Not that they cause all the problems, but they are a large part of a vicious cycle of poverty, crime, incarceration, and absentee parenting. Seems like we are on the same page. And what you described is exactly what I don't really see anyone addressing. It is like we want to sweep the stats under the table. But there are major issues with inner city blacks and we need to focus on changing that. And maybe understanding what leads to the violent crime. Because there are also very rural poor whites and the crime rates, while higher than the national average, pale in comparison to the inner city crime rates. I would love to see a group focused just on addressing that issue. But first step is acknowledging the issue exists and it seems that the powers that be don't want to do that.
I appreciate that you can discuss this with me. I really do have an interest in understanding the issues. But I can't buy into BLM because they might have had good intentions at the beginning but they latch on to every cop killing and the demands are insane. I wish there was a very vocal group like them addressing the issues you discussed. Because until those are addressed nothing is going to change. And that is sad
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 3, 2016 8:31:49 GMT -5
I should read up on BLM. I don't like what I've been seeing/hearing from them, but I at least what to see what they are really about. As a black person who doesn't like all that they seem to stand for, I am caught in a weird place too - called a traitor or Uncle Tom or whatever. I don't think that anyone realized that this would cause rifts between black people.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 3, 2016 8:34:42 GMT -5
But BLM is only addressing one side and not acknowledging the other. And making outrageous demands now.
This is one of those areas that I think anyone that isn't black is afraid to discuss. There are so many more things I want to ask but I know it will come out wrong and then you all will jump all over me!lol
I am outraged at the racial profiling (as we all should be) but I am not really a supporter of the BLM movement as it is. I think that if the All Lives Matter movement wasn't created to counter BLM and if they actually took a stand for equal justice for all regardless of skin color, I would be in full support of that group. People forget that there is an implied "Too" at the end of "Black Lives Matter" - not that we are the only ones that matter. Fair enough.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 3, 2016 8:41:39 GMT -5
I am not saying that there are not issues within the black community. Believe me, I know it is RIFE with problems. I truly feel that if we solve the self esteem, responsibility, and motivation issues with inner city black male youth, we will see a lot of problems disappear over time. Not that they cause all the problems, but they are a large part of a vicious cycle of poverty, crime, incarceration, and absentee parenting. Seems like we are on the same page. And what you described is exactly what I don't really see anyone addressing. It is like we want to sweep the stats under the table. But there are major issues with inner city blacks and we need to focus on changing that. And maybe understanding what leads to the violent crime. Because there are also very rural poor whites and the crime rates, while higher than the national average, pale in comparison to the inner city crime rates. I would love to see a group focused just on addressing that issue. But first step is acknowledging the issue exists and it seems that the powers that be don't want to do that.
I appreciate that you can discuss this with me. I really do have an interest in understanding the issues. But I can't buy into BLM because they might have had good intentions at the beginning but they latch on to every cop killing and the demands are insane. I wish there was a very vocal group like them addressing the issues you discussed. Because until those are addressed nothing is going to change. And that is sad
the racial profiling/killing is not something I thought I'd be seeing in the 2010s, so I think it's making everyone sad, angry, and scared. People get swept up and latch onto a cause that may or may not be helpful. I think that's what happened.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 3, 2016 8:48:08 GMT -5
I need to make time and do this myself, but I cannot stress enough that we need to have more POC volunteering at Boys and Girls Clubs in disadvantaged areas. These kids need to see that they can be more than a cashier or laborer or drug mule/dealer or prostitute. That learning is "cool" and it can set you up for success. That you don't need the hottest/latest/most expensive stuff to feel or look like a million bucks, and having it doesn't make you a better person. okay, I'm done on my soapbox.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 3, 2016 8:57:36 GMT -5
I need to make time and do this myself, but I cannot stress enough that we need to have more POC volunteering at Boys and Girls Clubs in disadvantaged areas. These kids need to see that they can be more than a cashier or laborer or drug mule/dealer or prostitute. That learning is "cool" and it can set you up for success. That you don't need the hottest/latest/most expensive stuff to feel or look like a million bucks, and having it doesn't make you a better person. okay, I'm done on my soapbox. That's honestly a great idea. I will admit that I have thought about it locally but to be honest, I'm afraid to go into the bad housing project. I'm not sure what that makes me....but I'm just not sure I could do it
But other than being white, I'm a prime of example of what one can accomplish if they believe in themselves and pull themselves up by the bootstraps. I've been thinking lately about what I can do to contribute to society and that has been on my mind. So I probably won't venture into the really bad areas but I'm sure I can still do something good for the community. Not that I'm rich but I've made a very good life for myself and I want the young and poor to see that they can also do that (I'm not focused on race)
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