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Post by djAdvocate on May 26, 2016 15:23:14 GMT -5
i doubt it. what people forget is that conventions are about ratifying partisan decisions. Clinton is pretty clearly more partisan than Bernie. he stands almost no chance of succeeding, UNLESS it can be shown that Clinton will find herself under indictment. i believe that decision is due in July. That's what I'm wondering, if things go belly up for Hillary, will the Dems drop her like a hot potato and let Bernie take the top spot?
There are some pretty ardent Hillary supporters, including some women who are salivating at the chance for the first female president, but I think if Sanders picked a female VP running mate he could soften the blow. Hell, he's older than crap, his VP candidate might have a fair shot of being POTUS and then running for office herself in four years (although I thought the same thing about McCain, and he's still very much alive and kicking, so my fears about Palin taking charge were misplaced).
remind me of when the convention is, again?
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Post by happyhoix on May 26, 2016 15:33:36 GMT -5
That's what I'm wondering, if things go belly up for Hillary, will the Dems drop her like a hot potato and let Bernie take the top spot?
There are some pretty ardent Hillary supporters, including some women who are salivating at the chance for the first female president, but I think if Sanders picked a female VP running mate he could soften the blow. Hell, he's older than crap, his VP candidate might have a fair shot of being POTUS and then running for office herself in four years (although I thought the same thing about McCain, and he's still very much alive and kicking, so my fears about Palin taking charge were misplaced).
remind me of when the convention is, again? You think the indictment will come out prior to the convention?
What if we have the convention, Hillary nabs it, and then a week later an indictment comes down?
Would she be obligated to step down if indicted, or only if convicted - or would they refrain from prosecuting her until after she served as POTUS (if she won the election?) I'm trying to remember if this has happened before, during a POTUS election, and if it did, I can't recall it.
I had to admit, I never thought we would be discussing what happens when a POTUS candidate gets indicted, but then again, I never thought TRUMP! would be a thing, either.
Strange times.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 26, 2016 15:42:32 GMT -5
remind me of when the convention is, again? You think the indictment will come out prior to the convention?
i think it is in the best interests of the republic if that happens. is that answering the question?
What if we have the convention, Hillary nabs it, and then a week later an indictment comes down?
that would be most unfortunate. beyond that, i can't really say.
Would she be obligated to step down if indicted, or only if convicted - or would they refrain from prosecuting her until after she served as POTUS (if she won the election?) I'm trying to remember if this has happened before, during a POTUS election, and if it did, I can't recall it.
Rick Perry ran under indictment. nobody seemed to think much of it.
I had to admit, I never thought we would be discussing what happens when a POTUS candidate gets indicted, but then again, I never thought TRUMP! would be a thing, either.
Strange times.
indeed.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 26, 2016 15:51:36 GMT -5
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Post by zibazinski on May 26, 2016 18:50:38 GMT -5
Anyone that I talk to that's a Trump supporter pretty much says the same thing. I'm still hoping for someone I can vote for.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on May 26, 2016 20:04:49 GMT -5
Trump visited Bismarck, ND, and ended up with all the delegates he needs to be in the general election. I could hear the relief in his voice when he was taking questions.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 26, 2016 20:22:42 GMT -5
Trump visited Bismarck, ND, and ended up with all the delegates he needs to be in the general election. I could hear the relief in his voice when he was taking questions. not following you. if he fails to win CA, he loses the nomination. what does ND have to do with it?
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Post by Value Buy on May 26, 2016 21:34:35 GMT -5
From the article: But in my travels around the country I’ve found many who support him precisely because of the qualities he’s being criticized for having. A Latina-American from Laredo, Texas, tells me she and most of her friends are for Trump because he wants to keep Mexicans out. She thinks too many Mexicans have come here illegally, making it harder for those here legally. A union member from Pittsburgh says he’s for Trump because he’ll be tough on American companies shipping jobs abroad, tough with the Chinese, tough with Muslims. A small businessman in Cincinnati tells me he’s for Trump because “Trump’s not a politician. He’ll give them hell in Washington.” Political analysts have underestimated Trump from the jump because they’ve been looking through the rear-view mirror of politics as it used to be. Trump’s rise suggests a new kind of politics. You might call it anti-politics.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 26, 2016 21:39:12 GMT -5
dude. i read it. everyone else interested in the subject should, too.
if you didn't intend this as a reply to my post, then never mind.
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Post by Value Buy on May 26, 2016 21:43:24 GMT -5
dude. i read it. everyone else interested in the subject should, too. if you didn't intend this as a reply to my post, then never mind. dude. I read it too. Some people probably will not bother opening it, so I thought I would post some of it. Had trouble with my computer, and had to shutdown and restart. Myself, I see no problem with the article. It is all good! This morning there was a poll ( I do not remember which one) where Hillary was kicking his butt in the rust belt states with workers earning $30,000 to $100,000. Now that one sounds like a problem for Trump.
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Post by Value Buy on May 26, 2016 21:56:01 GMT -5
dj might have jumped the gun on the title of the thread after all. Might want to add Bernie to the mix. When he wins California and loses the delegate battle, all heck will break loose
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Post by Value Buy on May 26, 2016 21:59:34 GMT -5
Trump visited Bismarck, ND, and ended up with all the delegates he needs to be in the general election. I could hear the relief in his voice when he was taking questions. not following you. if he fails to win CA, he loses the nomination. what does ND have to do with it? All cable news networks say he had garnered the nomination. He officially has the delegates needed for the nomination.
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Post by Opti on May 26, 2016 22:00:33 GMT -5
remind me of when the convention is, again? You think the indictment will come out prior to the convention?
What if we have the convention, Hillary nabs it, and then a week later an indictment comes down?
Would she be obligated to step down if indicted, or only if convicted - or would they refrain from prosecuting her until after she served as POTUS (if she won the election?) I'm trying to remember if this has happened before, during a POTUS election, and if it did, I can't recall it.
I had to admit, I never thought we would be discussing what happens when a POTUS candidate gets indicted, but then again, I never thought TRUMP! would be a thing, either.
Strange times.
I don't see an indictment. The only reason we have been discussing whether Hillary will be indicted is some Republicans have been trying to nail her to the wall for years. They've upped the propaganda machine because they apparently have a deathly fear of her in office. Although not strong enough to actually concentrate on running and financing a Republican candidate that can win ... that they like.
They are just lazy bastards, IMO. Easier to fling congress critter feces at her instead of suck it up and do something useful. Like make and change laws for US citizens.
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Post by Value Buy on May 26, 2016 22:01:09 GMT -5
Trump visited Bismarck, ND, and ended up with all the delegates he needs to be in the general election. I could hear the relief in his voice when he was taking questions. not following you. if he fails to win CA, he loses the nomination. what does ND have to do with it? dj, how the heck does he lose the race in California?
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Post by Opti on May 26, 2016 22:06:30 GMT -5
dj might have jumped the gun on the title of the thread after all. Might want to add Bernie to the mix. When he wins California and loses the delegate battle, all heck will break loose
Heck's already loose. Remember my thread about Bernie supporters voting for Trump because they feel its the fastest way to destroy the US? (And other Trump voters are voting for him because they think he can save the US. )
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Post by djAdvocate on May 27, 2016 1:31:24 GMT -5
not following you. if he fails to win CA, he loses the nomination. what does ND have to do with it? dj, how the heck does he lose the race in California? i already explained it to Virgil a few weeks ago. ask him. see if he remembers.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 27, 2016 1:32:34 GMT -5
dj might have jumped the gun on the title of the thread after all. Might want to add Bernie to the mix. When he wins California and loses the delegate battle, all heck will break loose oh baloney. he is going to lose the nomination, VB. if he blows up the Democratic Party, then that is fine with me, but he has no case for winning the nomination, imo. NONE. he is going to lose the nomination before the supers are even counted, because he lost the primary by something like 2 million votes.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 27, 2016 1:41:15 GMT -5
From the article: But in my travels around the country I’ve found many who support him precisely because of the qualities he’s being criticized for having. A Latina-American from Laredo, Texas, tells me she and most of her friends are for Trump because he wants to keep Mexicans out. She thinks too many Mexicans have come here illegally, making it harder for those here legally. A union member from Pittsburgh says he’s for Trump because he’ll be tough on American companies shipping jobs abroad, tough with the Chinese, tough with Muslims. A small businessman in Cincinnati tells me he’s for Trump because “Trump’s not a politician. He’ll give them hell in Washington.” Political analysts have underestimated Trump from the jump because they’ve been looking through the rear-view mirror of politics as it used to be. Trump’s rise suggests a new kind of politics. You might call it anti-politics. Does this guy know that Trump has his clothing line made in China, in order to save a few bucks?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 27, 2016 1:43:44 GMT -5
From the article: But in my travels around the country I’ve found many who support him precisely because of the qualities he’s being criticized for having. A Latina-American from Laredo, Texas, tells me she and most of her friends are for Trump because he wants to keep Mexicans out. She thinks too many Mexicans have come here illegally, making it harder for those here legally. A union member from Pittsburgh says he’s for Trump because he’ll be tough on American companies shipping jobs abroad, tough with the Chinese, tough with Muslims. A small businessman in Cincinnati tells me he’s for Trump because “Trump’s not a politician. He’ll give them hell in Washington.” Political analysts have underestimated Trump from the jump because they’ve been looking through the rear-view mirror of politics as it used to be. Trump’s rise suggests a new kind of politics. You might call it anti-politics. Does this guy know that Trump has his clothing line made in China, in order to save a few bucks? of course not. nor do they know he sux as a businessman. that he is basically a shitty lifestyle brand. will they learn it? i have my doubts.
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Post by Value Buy on May 27, 2016 6:28:15 GMT -5
dj might have jumped the gun on the title of the thread after all. Might want to add Bernie to the mix. When he wins California and loses the delegate battle, all heck will break loose oh baloney. he is going to lose the nomination, VB. if he blows up the Democratic Party, then that is fine with me, but he has no case for winning the nomination, imo. NONE. he is going to lose the nomination before the supers are even counted, because he lost the primary by something like 2 million votes. I am beginning to think he does not need to win the nomination. It might just get handed to him by the super delegates before the convention if the e-mail scandal has any legs. Some important Democrats are showing some queazy stomachs right now. They might start flipping next week, and definitely after the California primary if Bernie beats her by a couple of percentage points. The man still drew 10,000 people last night in California. And that's for a guy who by all accounts is beaten.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 12:42:58 GMT -5
It's the point. Doesn't matter who likes it if they're not in the majority that do. um...just no. it matters, D23. you know it. i am puzzled why you are taking such a hard line here. it matters. if it didn't, congress would be doing better than -60 approval rating. Yes I do know. Does it really come across as a hard line ? I just see it as that they don't give a hoot about polled approval ratings. They only care about the rating at election time, as in when they get enough votes to win, that's all the approval they need.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 12:56:17 GMT -5
Looking back on it I was thinking narrowly about them not doing part of their job. Forgot about all the meetings and committee hearings taking place everyday. But many of them are lawyers and know how to stretch an investigation out. They're just doing their job as they see fit (what their voters want). If the majority of voters don't like it, they'll be out of there, simple enough. Your posts are starting to read a little bit whiny/sore loser, attitude wise. I for one, am glad Obama's selection is going to be delayed.
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Post by jkapp on May 27, 2016 13:14:27 GMT -5
here is the logical test: is a man's infidelity in ANY WAY the responsibility of the wife? you have to have a certain perspective to answer yes to that. what % of the US public has that perspective? Well, when a woman cheats its somehow always the husband's fault, so unless we are ok to treat the sexes differently, then fault should go the other way, too
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Post by jkapp on May 27, 2016 13:29:44 GMT -5
From the article: But in my travels around the country I’ve found many who support him precisely because of the qualities he’s being criticized for having.
A Latina-American from Laredo, Texas, tells me she and most of her friends are for Trump because he wants to keep Mexicans out. She thinks too many Mexicans have come here illegally, making it harder for those here legally. A union member from Pittsburgh says he’s for Trump because he’ll be tough on American companies shipping jobs abroad, tough with the Chinese, tough with Muslims. A small businessman in Cincinnati tells me he’s for Trump because “Trump’s not a politician. He’ll give them hell in Washington.” Political analysts have underestimated Trump from the jump because they’ve been looking through the rear-view mirror of politics as it used to be. Trump’s rise suggests a new kind of politics. You might call it anti-politics. This is what I've noticed as well. The media can't use the same mudslinging tactics in the past to help bring down Trump - every time something bad is said about Trump, he just seems to get more support. Its freaky
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Post by djAdvocate on May 27, 2016 13:35:14 GMT -5
oh baloney. he is going to lose the nomination, VB. if he blows up the Democratic Party, then that is fine with me, but he has no case for winning the nomination, imo. NONE. he is going to lose the nomination before the supers are even counted, because he lost the primary by something like 2 million votes. I am beginning to think he does not need to win the nomination. It might just get handed to him by the super delegates before the convention if the e-mail scandal has any legs. Some important Democrats are showing some queazy stomachs right now. They might start flipping next week, and definitely after the California primary if Bernie beats her by a couple of percentage points. The man still drew 10,000 people last night in California. And that's for a guy who by all accounts is beaten. i will bet you $1,000 HC wins BOTH the Supers and the nomination, provided that no indictments are handed down (and i don't expect any). you game? or are you just blathering?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 27, 2016 13:36:11 GMT -5
From the article: But in my travels around the country I’ve found many who support him precisely because of the qualities he’s being criticized for having.
A Latina-American from Laredo, Texas, tells me she and most of her friends are for Trump because he wants to keep Mexicans out. She thinks too many Mexicans have come here illegally, making it harder for those here legally. A union member from Pittsburgh says he’s for Trump because he’ll be tough on American companies shipping jobs abroad, tough with the Chinese, tough with Muslims. A small businessman in Cincinnati tells me he’s for Trump because “Trump’s not a politician. He’ll give them hell in Washington.” Political analysts have underestimated Trump from the jump because they’ve been looking through the rear-view mirror of politics as it used to be. Trump’s rise suggests a new kind of politics. You might call it anti-politics. This is what I've noticed as well. The media can't use the same mudslinging tactics in the past to help bring down Trump - every time something bad is said about Trump, he just seems to get more support. Its freaky actually, if you read the article, it makes perfect sense. is it GOOD? hell no!
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Post by djAdvocate on May 27, 2016 13:37:10 GMT -5
here is the logical test: is a man's infidelity in ANY WAY the responsibility of the wife? you have to have a certain perspective to answer yes to that. what % of the US public has that perspective? Well, when a woman cheats its somehow always the husband's fault, so unless we are ok to treat the sexes differently, then fault should go the other way, too how is it the wife's responsibility, jk?
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Post by jkapp on May 27, 2016 13:45:32 GMT -5
Does this guy know that Trump has his clothing line made in China, in order to save a few bucks? of course not. nor do they know he sux as a businessman. that he is basically a shitty lifestyle brand. will they learn it? i have my doubts. No Bernie supporters care that he hasn't done jack shit for almost thirty years in office, either. Or that before then, he was broke and living on welfare.
Its no wonder Bernie is a Socialist, he's been benefiting from the socialist "utopia" as a taker his entrie life...he hasn't had to actually had to contribute anything towards it at all. So, yeah, great life for him, not so great for the people who actually paid for it.
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Post by jkapp on May 27, 2016 13:48:03 GMT -5
This is what I've noticed as well. The media can't use the same mudslinging tactics in the past to help bring down Trump - every time something bad is said about Trump, he just seems to get more support. Its freaky actually, if you read the article, it makes perfect sense. is it GOOD? hell no! Well, bittersweet, really. This may be one election that the news media can't manipulate - which would be a very good thing.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 27, 2016 13:49:24 GMT -5
of course not. nor do they know he sux as a businessman. that he is basically a shitty lifestyle brand. will they learn it? i have my doubts. No Bernie supporters care that he hasn't done jack shit for almost thirty years in office, either. Or that before then, he was broke and living on welfare.
Its no wonder Bernie is a Socialist, he's been benefiting from the socialist "utopia" as a taker his entrie life...he hasn't had to actually had to contribute anything towards it at all. So, yeah, great life for him, not so great for the people who actually paid for it.
who cares? Sanders is not going to win the nomination.
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