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Post by Opti on May 24, 2016 22:37:07 GMT -5
Now, President Donald J. Trump is a fact.
Unless, of course, it's not.
Heck, Republican nominee Donald J. Trump isn't even a fact. Its just highly likely.
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Post by Value Buy on May 24, 2016 22:41:09 GMT -5
here is the logical test: is a man's infidelity in ANY WAY the responsibility of the wife? you have to have a certain perspective to answer yes to that. what % of the US public has that perspective? The argument from Hillary is she is the best bargain for women. She has their back covered. Unfortunately, her history with women who slept with her husband, and claim were taken advantage of (which I admit is hard to follow that thinking) by Bill, shows she does not help these women. She allowed Bill to continue the behavior without any objections from Hillary. What objections could she make, you say? How about the next one earns a divorce Or, Bill the next time you do it, I am publicly hiring her a good lawyer and publicly outing you on this. Of course she did the opposite. Built the protective wall and had the women denounced in the forum of public opinion.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 24, 2016 22:45:09 GMT -5
here is the logical test: is a man's infidelity in ANY WAY the responsibility of the wife? you have to have a certain perspective to answer yes to that. what % of the US public has that perspective? The argument from Hillary is she is the best bargain for women. She has their back covered. Unfortunately, her history with women who slept with her husband, and claim were taken advantage of (which I admit is hard to follow that thinking) by Bill, shows she does not help these women. She allowed Bill to continue the behavior without any objections from Hillary. What objections could she make, you say? How about the next one earns a divorce Or, Bill the next time you do it, I am publicly hiring her a good lawyer and publicly outing you on this. Of course she did the opposite. Built the protective wall and had the women denounced in the forum of public opinion. oh, i see. so in what way is a wife supposed to help the mistresses of her husband, VB? this argument is getting dumber by the nanosecond. or maybe i am just missing something. edit: i will admit, however, that i don't know any of the personal details you appear to know about their relationship. do you? if so, pray, how did you come to know so much that nobody else other than the Clinton's know?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 24, 2016 23:58:22 GMT -5
this argument really does seem weird to me. i thought that the GOP was the party of marital fidelity- the party of "stand by your man"- the party of "oaths"- the party of "family values". since when is DIVORCE a family value?
really, someone help me out here, because i am lost. it Trump SERIOUSLY wanting to use this tactic? it seems insane to me.
edit: then again, coming from a guy that throws his marriage(s) away in a Hefnerlike attempt to pretend he is still 30.....
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Post by Opti on May 25, 2016 0:14:03 GMT -5
here is the logical test: is a man's infidelity in ANY WAY the responsibility of the wife? you have to have a certain perspective to answer yes to that. what % of the US public has that perspective? The argument from Hillary is she is the best bargain for women. She has their back covered. Unfortunately, her history with women who slept with her husband, and claim were taken advantage of (which I admit is hard to follow that thinking) by Bill, shows she does not help these women. She allowed Bill to continue the behavior without any objections from Hillary. What objections could she make, you say? How about the next one earns a divorce Or, Bill the next time you do it, I am publicly hiring her a good lawyer and publicly outing you on this. Of course she did the opposite. Built the protective wall and had the women denounced in the forum of public opinion. What she did or did not do in her marriage is about her. Not all women.
She may not have dealt with her husband's parmours real well all that nicely but honestly why in the heck did she need to? Using that logic, Trump should have treated Ivana better when he was cheating on her. Maybe paying her $2/year instead of $1 for running the hotel?
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Post by happyhoix on May 25, 2016 7:07:14 GMT -5
here is the logical test: is a man's infidelity in ANY WAY the responsibility of the wife? you have to have a certain perspective to answer yes to that. what % of the US public has that perspective? The argument from Hillary is she is the best bargain for women. She has their back covered. Unfortunately, her history with women who slept with her husband, and claim were taken advantage of (which I admit is hard to follow that thinking) by Bill, shows she does not help these women. She allowed Bill to continue the behavior without any objections from Hillary. What objections could she make, you say? How about the next one earns a divorce Or, Bill the next time you do it, I am publicly hiring her a good lawyer and publicly outing you on this. Of course she did the opposite. Built the protective wall and had the women denounced in the forum of public opinion. This makes no sense.
Because Hillary didn't support her DH's mistresses in public, you're claiming she's anti-feminist and won't fight for things like equal pay?
We don't know the inner workings of the Clinton marriage. Maybe they have an open marriage and Bill's only fault from Hillary's point of view was getting caught with his pants down. However, even if she did expect him to be faithful, do you really think she'd be pals with women who knowingly slept with a married man?
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Post by happyhoix on May 25, 2016 7:13:26 GMT -5
OK here is further proof of my personal belief that Trump didn't want to be POTUS, he just wanted free publicity.
He goes after the Republican governor of New Mexico last night at a rally, calling her out for allowing Syrian refugees to settle in the state, and claiming she was doing a really poor job as governor. He asserted if he wasn't running for POTUS, he could run for governor of New Mexico and 'really get things moving,' unlike the current governor.
The governor of New Mexico is the first Hispanic woman elected to be governor. She's also the head of the Republican governors' organization, so she's a powerful Hispanic woman. And it's not like Trump needs either Hispanic or female votes.
This fits my theory that Trump is trying to shoot himself in the foot to lose this election, because he realizes he has no friggin' idea how to do the job, and because he really loves his current job running his own company and being a media whore.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 25, 2016 7:24:14 GMT -5
The argument from Hillary is she is the best bargain for women. She has their back covered. Unfortunately, her history with women who slept with her husband, and claim were taken advantage of (which I admit is hard to follow that thinking) by Bill, shows she does not help these women. She allowed Bill to continue the behavior without any objections from Hillary. What objections could she make, you say? How about the next one earns a divorce Or, Bill the next time you do it, I am publicly hiring her a good lawyer and publicly outing you on this. Of course she did the opposite. Built the protective wall and had the women denounced in the forum of public opinion. oh, i see. so in what way is a wife supposed to help the mistresses of her husband, VB? this argument is getting dumber by the nanosecond. or maybe i am just missing something. edit: i will admit, however, that i don't know any of the personal details you appear to know about their relationship. do you? if so, pray, how did you come to know so much that nobody else other than the Clinton's know? Maybe Valuebuy was the Clintons' marital therapist or was in their bed and between them during their pillow talk time?
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Post by OldCoyote on May 25, 2016 9:50:42 GMT -5
Geeees, you really grasping at straws!
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Post by djAdvocate on May 25, 2016 10:13:28 GMT -5
Geeees, you really grasping at straws! EXACTLY!
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Post by Value Buy on May 25, 2016 10:31:20 GMT -5
Geeees, you really grasping at straws! EXACTLY! Yep. I admit the liberals here are grasping at straws trying to keep the Clinton organization on top. Now the State Department sad she messed up big time. That probably will be defended vigorously here also. Looks like Bernie a non Democrat, will win the nomination by default this summer With the State department saying this, look for the FBI to now start the move against her.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 25, 2016 10:43:20 GMT -5
Geeees, you really grasping at straws! EXACTLY! Me too.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 25, 2016 10:46:05 GMT -5
EXACTLY! Yep. I admit the liberals here are grasping at straws trying to keep the Clinton organization on top. Now the State Department sad she messed up big time. That probably will be defended vigorously here also. Looks like Bernie a non Democrat, will win the nomination by default this summer With the State department saying this, look for the FBI to now start the move against her. You must have only read the article title: "The 83-page report reviews email practices by five secretaries of state and generally concludes that record keeping has been spotty for years. It was particularly critical of former secretary of state Colin Powell — who has acknowledged publicly that he used his personal laptop to write emails — concluding that he too failed to follow department policy designed to comply with public-record laws." State Dept. inspector general report sharply criticizes Clinton’s email practices
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Post by Value Buy on May 25, 2016 10:57:22 GMT -5
Yep. I admit the liberals here are grasping at straws trying to keep the Clinton organization on top. Now the State Department sad she messed up big time. That probably will be defended vigorously here also. Looks like Bernie a non Democrat, will win the nomination by default this summer With the State department saying this, look for the FBI to now start the move against her. You must have only read the article title: "The 83-page report reviews email practices by five secretaries of state and generally concludes that record keeping has been spotty for years. It was particularly critical of former secretary of state Colin Powell — who has acknowledged publicly that he used his personal laptop to write emails — concluding that he too failed to follow department policy designed to comply with public-record laws." State Dept. inspector general report sharply criticizes Clinton’s email practicesI read the article. Now turn on the cable networKs and listen to CNN. Yes, Powell was criticized, but he is not running for the Presidency. In fact he was a RINO and is obviously a Democrat irl. This goes to judgement abilities of the candidate running for the leadership of the free world.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 25, 2016 11:15:13 GMT -5
You must have only read the article title: "The 83-page report reviews email practices by five secretaries of state and generally concludes that record keeping has been spotty for years. It was particularly critical of former secretary of state Colin Powell — who has acknowledged publicly that he used his personal laptop to write emails — concluding that he too failed to follow department policy designed to comply with public-record laws." State Dept. inspector general report sharply criticizes Clinton’s email practicesI read the article. Now turn on the cable networKs and listen to CNN. Yes, Powell was criticized, but he is not running for the Presidency. In fact he was a RINO and is obviously a Democrat irl. This goes to judgement abilities of the candidate running for the leadership of the free world. Neither is Bill Clinton running for president. But that hasn't stopped Donald Trump from making the election all about him.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 25, 2016 11:28:28 GMT -5
EXACTLY! Yep. I admit the liberals here are grasping at straws trying to keep the Clinton organization on top. not really. she has been the obvious choice since about 2007.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 25, 2016 11:29:50 GMT -5
You must have only read the article title: "The 83-page report reviews email practices by five secretaries of state and generally concludes that record keeping has been spotty for years. It was particularly critical of former secretary of state Colin Powell — who has acknowledged publicly that he used his personal laptop to write emails — concluding that he too failed to follow department policy designed to comply with public-record laws." State Dept. inspector general report sharply criticizes Clinton’s email practicesI read the article. Now turn on the cable networKs and listen to CNN. Yes, Powell was criticized, but he is not running for the Presidency. In fact he was a RINO and is obviously a Democrat irl. This goes to judgement abilities of the candidate running for the leadership of the free world. Trump's lack of judgment is on display daily. if this is about judgment, this race is already over.
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Post by billisonboard on May 25, 2016 11:38:04 GMT -5
... if this is about judgment, this race is already over. We could only hope.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 25, 2016 11:38:47 GMT -5
here is the logical test: is a man's infidelity in ANY WAY the responsibility of the wife? you have to have a certain perspective to answer yes to that. what % of the US public has that perspective? The argument from Hillary is she is the best bargain for women. She has their back covered. Unfortunately, her history with women who slept with her husband, and claim were taken advantage of (which I admit is hard to follow that thinking) by Bill, shows she does not help these women. She allowed Bill to continue the behavior without any objections from Hillary. What objections could she make, you say? How about the next one earns a divorce Or, Bill the next time you do it, I am publicly hiring her a good lawyer and publicly outing you on this. Of course she did the opposite. Built the protective wall and had the women denounced in the forum of public opinion. Got it. A woman standing by her man is much worse than a serial adulterer who's been married three times. Trump is the real 'family values" guy here.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 25, 2016 11:44:21 GMT -5
... if this is about judgment, this race is already over. We could only hope. that's just the thing. i don't think this race is about judgment. if it were, NEITHER Clinton NOR Trump would have won their primaries. it is about a lot of different things, but judgment is not really even a factor, imo. again, if he wants to run the race that way, that is fine. but those of us watching from afar will be scratching our heads.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 25, 2016 11:46:42 GMT -5
The argument from Hillary is she is the best bargain for women. She has their back covered. Unfortunately, her history with women who slept with her husband, and claim were taken advantage of (which I admit is hard to follow that thinking) by Bill, shows she does not help these women. She allowed Bill to continue the behavior without any objections from Hillary. What objections could she make, you say? How about the next one earns a divorce Or, Bill the next time you do it, I am publicly hiring her a good lawyer and publicly outing you on this. Of course she did the opposite. Built the protective wall and had the women denounced in the forum of public opinion. Got it. A woman standing by her man is much worse than a serial adulterer who's been married three times. Trump is the real 'family values" guy here. this is precisely it. i think it is a terrible tactic. but i can see how it would resonate with someone who is so obsessed with Bill Clinton's dalliances that they want to destroy his wife, as well.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 25, 2016 11:48:48 GMT -5
They have tried to scapegoat her so many times that she would have to be plunging a knife into a corpse with her bloody hands for me to believe it if they say something against her now.
i have said it before: i used to think that Clinton was kind of dirty. but now i think she is cleaner than a lab skeleton: every ounce of organic material subject to rot has been peeled off, examined, and disposed.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 25, 2016 11:57:05 GMT -5
They have tried to scapegoat her so many times that she would have to be plunging a knife into a corpse with her bloody hands for me to believe it if they say something against her now.
i have said it before: i used to think that Clinton was kind of dirty. but now i think she is cleaner than a lab skeleton: every ounce of organic material subject to rot has been peeled off, examined, and disposed. You must have forgotten that Hillary's business card was found in Vince Foster's shot-out mouth.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 25, 2016 11:57:06 GMT -5
The argument from Hillary is she is the best bargain for women. She has their back covered. Unfortunately, her history with women who slept with her husband, and claim were taken advantage of (which I admit is hard to follow that thinking) by Bill, shows she does not help these women. She allowed Bill to continue the behavior without any objections from Hillary. What objections could she make, you say? How about the next one earns a divorce Or, Bill the next time you do it, I am publicly hiring her a good lawyer and publicly outing you on this. Of course she did the opposite. Built the protective wall and had the women denounced in the forum of public opinion. Got it. A woman standing by her man is much worse than a serial adulterer who's been married three times. Trump is the real 'family values" guy here. Well if Trump's wives had been good women he would not have had to stray. DUH. It's always the woman's fault.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 25, 2016 12:09:41 GMT -5
Got it. A woman standing by her man is much worse than a serial adulterer who's been married three times. Trump is the real 'family values" guy here. Well if Trump's wives had been good women he would not have had to stray. DUH. It's always the woman's fault. They gad the audacity to get older. That's unacceptable.
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Post by Value Buy on May 25, 2016 12:59:41 GMT -5
i have said it before: i used to think that Clinton was kind of dirty. but now i think she is cleaner than a lab skeleton: every ounce of organic material subject to rot has been peeled off, examined, and disposed. You must have forgotten that Hillary's business card was found in Vince Foster's shot-out mouth. Please note I never mentioned poor old Vince
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 13:06:32 GMT -5
If the Senate only did their job and held hearings maybe we'd have a new Supreme Court Justice. McConnell is wrong on the "Biden rule." This isn't a lame duck administration until a new President is elected. This will be the longest time we have been down a justice in history. McConnell and Ryan have to get out of office if they won't work with those with other opinions. We need people who can lead. They are leading, and doing their job. It's called the check/balance system of our government. It kind of sucks when the party you might prefer is in the minority. I've been there at times, over the years.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 13:14:11 GMT -5
I realize Clinton has flaws and people distrust her. But Trump??!!! He lies about so much, has so little experience on being President, calls most people names and insults so many. I just don't understand how how got this far. People better wise up. Trump can be funny and entertaining on TV, but would be a disaster as President. Reminds me of Obama going in with no administrative experience. Demonizing everyone who disagreed with him. "We don't stand with them" etc. What you might be seeing is the people "wising up" from our last potus selection. The "disaster" as you claim, would maybe only be for your choice of president.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 13:16:55 GMT -5
hopefully those sobering realities just mentioned will not be lost on the electorate, but i could be forgiven for having doubts. They are definitely not lost on this voter !
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 13:26:37 GMT -5
So if Trump does win this, are we going to revisit this page to see how many of these prophesies come to be true? I love this one from the early days of the Republican primary news cycle. ymam.proboards.com/post/2290777/thread
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