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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on May 25, 2016 13:44:57 GMT -5
If the Senate only did their job and held hearings maybe we'd have a new Supreme Court Justice. McConnell is wrong on the "Biden rule." This isn't a lame duck administration until a new President is elected. This will be the longest time we have been down a justice in history. McConnell and Ryan have to get out of office if they won't work with those with other opinions. We need people who can lead. They are leading, and doing their job. It's called the check/balance system of our government. It kind of sucks when the party you might prefer is in the minority. I've been there at times, over the years. How can you say they are doing their job when they won't hold hearings to interview the candidate? There is no check/balance when they just say no to anything Obama. When they don't get their way they shut down the government. Check/balance They should go home without pay like they made many people do.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 13:56:48 GMT -5
They are leading, and doing their job. It's called the check/balance system of our government. It kind of sucks when the party you might prefer is in the minority. I've been there at times, over the years. How can you say they are doing their job when they won't hold hearings to interview the candidate? There is no check/balance when they just say no to anything Obama. When they don't get their way they shut down the government. Check/balance They should go home without pay like they made many people do. Even you know that "not" holding the hearings is part of the authority of their position. No different than Reid not bringing certain things up for vote in the Senate when he was the majority leader. You don't like the system of checks and balances for our 3 branches of government ?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on May 25, 2016 14:30:37 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for the "advice and consent" part. BTW I didn't put that in caps in the quote. They could vote him down and another name could be offered up for them to discuss. The Executive branch did their job. link www.ushistory.org/gov/6a.asp
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Post by djAdvocate on May 25, 2016 14:53:48 GMT -5
So if Trump does win this, are we going to revisit this page to see how many of these prophesies come to be true? I love this one from the early days of the Republican primary news cycle. ymam.proboards.com/post/2290777/threadi reviewed that page, and i would not take back one single word of any post i made on it.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 25, 2016 14:55:45 GMT -5
How can you say they are doing their job when they won't hold hearings to interview the candidate? There is no check/balance when they just say no to anything Obama. When they don't get their way they shut down the government. Check/balance They should go home without pay like they made many people do. Even you know that "not" holding the hearings is part of the authority of their position. No different than Reid not bringing certain things up for vote in the Senate when he was the majority leader. You don't like the system of checks and balances for our 3 branches of government ? not really the point, is it? it is within the president's authority to bomb Canada. the exercise of that much license, however, would endure a withering critique. and that is just what Congress has earned.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 25, 2016 14:57:36 GMT -5
i have said it before: i used to think that Clinton was kind of dirty. but now i think she is cleaner than a lab skeleton: every ounce of organic material subject to rot has been peeled off, examined, and disposed. You must have forgotten that Hillary's business card was found in Vince Foster's shot-out mouth. was she working as a mortician at the time?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 25, 2016 14:59:07 GMT -5
If the Senate only did their job and held hearings maybe we'd have a new Supreme Court Justice. McConnell is wrong on the "Biden rule." This isn't a lame duck administration until a new President is elected. This will be the longest time we have been down a justice in history. McConnell and Ryan have to get out of office if they won't work with those with other opinions. We need people who can lead. They are leading, and doing their job. the last i checked, the job title was "legislator".
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Post by Tennesseer on May 25, 2016 15:21:00 GMT -5
You must have forgotten that Hillary's business card was found in Vince Foster's shot-out mouth. Please note I never mentioned poor old Vince I don't belive I ever mentioned in any of my posts you did mention old Vince. But Trump is.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 18:01:34 GMT -5
here is the logical test: is a man's infidelity in ANY WAY the responsibility of the wife? you have to have a certain perspective to answer yes to that. what % of the US public has that perspective? Depends on if she gave him her blessing (or in fact encouraged it) or not before hand... otherwise... no. ETA: More pertinent question... what does infidelity have to do with running the government? Isn't that (or shouldn't it be) between the two spouses?
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Post by Opti on May 25, 2016 18:22:06 GMT -5
here is the logical test: is a man's infidelity in ANY WAY the responsibility of the wife? you have to have a certain perspective to answer yes to that. what % of the US public has that perspective? Depends on if she gave him her blessing (or in fact encouraged it) or not before hand... otherwise... no. ETA: More pertinent question... what does infidelity have to do with running the government? Isn't that (or shouldn't it be) between the two spouses? It should. Unless you are female, then apparently even if you are the wronged party everyone thinks they should have had a say on how you handled it.
Meanwhile, Trump cheated on his first wife with his to be second wife. Who on the RW is making noise about that?! And the martial rape retraction? Political double standards alive and well in the so called family values party.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 25, 2016 18:50:29 GMT -5
here is the logical test: is a man's infidelity in ANY WAY the responsibility of the wife? you have to have a certain perspective to answer yes to that. what % of the US public has that perspective? Depends on if she gave him her blessing (or in fact encouraged it) or not before hand... otherwise... no. ETA: More pertinent question... what does infidelity have to do with running the government? Isn't that (or shouldn't it be) between the two spouses? this is something else entirely. for some reason, we seem to think that the private lives of individuals running for office are our business, these days. FDR was a complete scumbag in that respect (from what i understand). so was JFK. yet we view them with pride when reflecting on their presidencies (for the most part). Clinton left office with a very high approval rating. he still has it. yet Trump seems to feel that his SPOUSE is somehow vulnerable to this attack. i also noted that he is engaging in the somewhat loathsome practice of guilt by association by mentioning some party completely unrelated to Clinton (yet supports her). this is, of course, no better than saying that racists support Trump. i don't like it when EITHER side does it. but it seems to me that Clinton has not really done much of this, and Trump does it pretty much every day. he goes where ever his tiny fingers lead him.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 26, 2016 0:19:12 GMT -5
this argument really does seem weird to me. i thought that the GOP was the party of marital fidelity- the party of "stand by your man"- the party of "oaths"- the party of "family values". since when is DIVORCE a family value? really, someone help me out here, because i am lost. it Trump SERIOUSLY wanting to use this tactic? it seems insane to me. edit: then again, coming from a guy that throws his marriage(s) away in a Hefnerlike attempt to pretend he is still 30..... aww shucks DJ, I see you over there, playin' opossum.
you know darned good and well that the evangelicals aren't who find Trump interesting. They wanted Cruz or Carson. Some of them will vote for him, but not because they think he's religious, but because they agree with him in other issues and want to pretend to believe he's religious so they can support him.
Trump appeals to the larger set of people who think that the country is screwed up, and we've let the crazies run it for too long and we are getting to a point where we can't really ignore it anymore (the hour may in fact be too late already).
you might be surprised to learn that i agree with this completely. i think this is all a bunch of hot air, and won't matter a bit in the final analysis. won't hurt Clinton, won't hurt Trump. i just think...wait for it.... IT IS STUPID.
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Post by Value Buy on May 26, 2016 6:07:00 GMT -5
aww shucks DJ, I see you over there, playin' opossum.
you know darned good and well that the evangelicals aren't who find Trump interesting. They wanted Cruz or Carson. Some of them will vote for him, but not because they think he's religious, but because they agree with him in other issues and want to pretend to believe he's religious so they can support him.
Trump appeals to the larger set of people who think that the country is screwed up, and we've let the crazies run it for too long and we are getting to a point where we can't really ignore it anymore (the hour may in fact be too late already).
you might be surprised to learn that i agree with this completely. i think this is all a bunch of hot air, and won't matter a bit in the final analysis. won't hurt Clinton, won't hurt Trump. i just think...wait for it.... IT IS STUPID. "IT IS STUPID." what is stupid is the pandering the politicians of both parties have done to special interest groups over the decades. Republicans and Independents may have a very flawed candidate this fall. That's fine with me and millions of other realistic, disenfranchised voters in America. We will take it. CHANGE....it is a good thing. The fact we have "Mayors" of major European cities telling America Trump is the anti-Christ is good enough to tell America we are finally on track to make the necessary changes in or country. I would call it a " an America spring", but we know how that worked out for our President and world political relationships. The status quo is no longer acceptable to the citizens here.
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Post by Value Buy on May 26, 2016 6:39:14 GMT -5
Andrea Mitchell just ripped Hillary Clinton on the e-mail story on Morning Joe. Mitchell has been one of Clinton's biggest backers in the media, and she is just short of calling Hillary a "liar" over the e-mail fiasco. She does say the State Department release yesterday does say Hillary has mislead the American public on her personal response over the last year on the e-mail and private server. Wow. Just wow.
Chuck Todd is on fire right now also......
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Post by Value Buy on May 26, 2016 6:40:10 GMT -5
Bernie is looking stronger by the second.......
And I am the first to admit, he will take Trump down in the fall
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Post by Tennesseer on May 26, 2016 8:55:40 GMT -5
you might be surprised to learn that i agree with this completely. i think this is all a bunch of hot air, and won't matter a bit in the final analysis. won't hurt Clinton, won't hurt Trump. i just think...wait for it.... IT IS STUPID. "IT IS STUPID." what is stupid is the pandering the politicians of both parties have done to special interest groups over the decades. Republicans and Independents may have a very flawed candidate this fall. That's fine with me and millions of other realistic, disenfranchised voters in America. We will take it. CHANGE....it is a good thing. The fact we have "Mayors" of major European cities telling America Trump is the anti-Christ is good enough to tell America we are finally on track to make the necessary changes in or country. I would call it a " an America spring", but we know how that worked out for our President and world political relationships. The status quo is no longer acceptable to the citizens here. Is it a good thing the mayors (no need to put mayors in quotation marks if they were elected the mayor) of major European cities are calling Trump the anti-Christ?
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Post by OldCoyote on May 26, 2016 9:03:26 GMT -5
They are leading, and doing their job. It's called the check/balance system of our government. It kind of sucks when the party you might prefer is in the minority. I've been there at times, over the years. How can you say they are doing their job when they won't hold hearings to interview the candidate? There is no check/balance when they just say no to anything Obama. When they don't get their way they shut down the government. Check/balance They should go home without pay like they made many people do. Checks and balances! thehill.com/policy/finance/281269-lawmakers-blast-irs-doj-over-seized-funds Oversight of government agencies that think, or are above oversight, They just go on doing the same thing not caring who complains, not even U.S. Senators!
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Post by happyhoix on May 26, 2016 9:27:14 GMT -5
Bernie is looking stronger by the second....... And I am the first to admit, he will take Trump down in the fall Did you see Trump has agreed to debate Bernie prior to June 6th?
That's one debate I would like to see. Trumps' supporters are notoriously badly behaved, but Bernies are also fairly hot headed, so I would put the odds on some kind of dust up happening in the aisles.
In the debate itself, I think Bernie would shred Trump. Trump would be loud and insulting but Bernie has his platform down pat (no 'suggestions' from that quarter) and Bernie doesn't give a shit, he'll talk right over Trump.
This report on Hillary's email server is bad news for her. I wonder what it would take for her to step aside and let Bernie take over - he usually does better in polls against Trump than Hillary.
The Dem convention might be interesting!
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Post by happyhoix on May 26, 2016 9:31:13 GMT -5
I still think Trump is sabotaging himself.
This report on Hillary's email server was devastating to Hillary and Trump should have stood back and let Hillary get the full negative attention of the media.
Instead he can't keep from running his mouth yet again, insulting GOP people, being very unpresidential - saying Romney walks like a penguin, for instance.
I'm also curious on why his campaign manager left after only a few weeks. Quit or got fired?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 26, 2016 9:39:52 GMT -5
His campaign manager left? I hadn't heard that.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 26, 2016 9:56:19 GMT -5
His campaign manager left? I hadn't heard that. Fired!! This all just a reality show in real life.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 10:24:36 GMT -5
i reviewed that page, and i would not take back one single word of any post i made on it. I was only referencing Opt4FT's post.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 10:26:31 GMT -5
Even you know that "not" holding the hearings is part of the authority of their position. No different than Reid not bringing certain things up for vote in the Senate when he was the majority leader. You don't like the system of checks and balances for our 3 branches of government ? not really the point, is it? it is within the president's authority to bomb Canada. the exercise of that much license, however, would endure a withering critique. and that is just what Congress has earned. It's the point. Doesn't matter who likes it if they're not in the majority that do.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 10:29:22 GMT -5
They are leading, and doing their job. the last i checked, the job title was "legislator". I was wondering why Ken said that, I just went with it. I was guessing he considered legislating the same as leading.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on May 26, 2016 10:45:56 GMT -5
Looking back on it I was thinking narrowly about them not doing part of their job. Forgot about all the meetings and committee hearings taking place everyday. But many of them are lawyers and know how to stretch an investigation out.
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Post by Opti on May 26, 2016 12:35:01 GMT -5
Depends on if she gave him her blessing (or in fact encouraged it) or not before hand... otherwise... no. ETA: More pertinent question... what does infidelity have to do with running the government? Isn't that (or shouldn't it be) between the two spouses? this is something else entirely. for some reason, we seem to think that the private lives of individuals running for office are our business, these days. FDR was a complete scumbag in that respect (from what i understand). so was JFK. yet we view them with pride when reflecting on their presidencies (for the most part). Clinton left office with a very high approval rating. he still has it. yet Trump seems to feel that his SPOUSE is somehow vulnerable to this attack. i also noted that he is engaging in the somewhat loathsome practice of guilt by association by mentioning some party completely unrelated to Clinton (yet supports her). this is, of course, no better than saying that racists support Trump. i don't like it when EITHER side does it. but it seems to me that Clinton has not really done much of this, and Trump does it pretty much every day. he goes where ever his tiny fingers lead him. Way too many folks want to see Trump as politicially incorrect soothsayer because he is white, male, and rich. Even though he could possibly claim to be old(er) money due to his grandfather, he acts like the worst of the noveau rich breed. Loud, obnoxious, bragging, flaunting wealth at every turn. What I call old wealth and some might further narrow down as old money does not act like that. They are the kind of people that will wear what the regular folk wear, possibly sometimes with understated differences. They usually dress to the occasion and are rarely about the bling.
Of course this might just be regional variations I notice. When I roll through Princeton or wait for my car where real rich people get their car fixed, I am thankful they aren't like Trump at all. Some at the BMW dealer can be a little too much like him for my comfort. FWIW. Back to my lunch.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 26, 2016 14:56:58 GMT -5
not really the point, is it? it is within the president's authority to bomb Canada. the exercise of that much license, however, would endure a withering critique. and that is just what Congress has earned. It's the point. Doesn't matter who likes it if they're not in the majority that do. um...just no. it matters, D23. you know it. i am puzzled why you are taking such a hard line here. it matters. if it didn't, congress would be doing better than -60 approval rating.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 26, 2016 15:01:55 GMT -5
Bernie is looking stronger by the second....... And I am the first to admit, he will take Trump down in the fall Did you see Trump has agreed to debate Bernie prior to June 6th?
That's one debate I would like to see. Trumps' supporters are notoriously badly behaved, but Bernies are also fairly hot headed, so I would put the odds on some kind of dust up happening in the aisles.
In the debate itself, I think Bernie would shred Trump. Trump would be loud and insulting but Bernie has his platform down pat (no 'suggestions' from that quarter) and Bernie doesn't give a shit, he'll talk right over Trump.
This report on Hillary's email server is bad news for her. I wonder what it would take for her to step aside and let Bernie take over - he usually does better in polls against Trump than Hillary.
The Dem convention might be interesting!
i doubt it. what people forget is that conventions are about ratifying partisan decisions. Clinton is pretty clearly more partisan than Bernie. he stands almost no chance of succeeding, UNLESS it can be shown that Clinton will find herself under indictment. i believe that decision is due in July.
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Post by happyhoix on May 26, 2016 15:09:18 GMT -5
Did you see Trump has agreed to debate Bernie prior to June 6th?
That's one debate I would like to see. Trumps' supporters are notoriously badly behaved, but Bernies are also fairly hot headed, so I would put the odds on some kind of dust up happening in the aisles.
In the debate itself, I think Bernie would shred Trump. Trump would be loud and insulting but Bernie has his platform down pat (no 'suggestions' from that quarter) and Bernie doesn't give a shit, he'll talk right over Trump.
This report on Hillary's email server is bad news for her. I wonder what it would take for her to step aside and let Bernie take over - he usually does better in polls against Trump than Hillary.
The Dem convention might be interesting!
i doubt it. what people forget is that conventions are about ratifying partisan decisions. Clinton is pretty clearly more partisan than Bernie. he stands almost no chance of succeeding, UNLESS it can be shown that Clinton will find herself under indictment. i believe that decision is due in July. That's what I'm wondering, if things go belly up for Hillary, will the Dems drop her like a hot potato and let Bernie take the top spot?
There are some pretty ardent Hillary supporters, including some women who are salivating at the chance for the first female president, but I think if Sanders picked a female VP running mate he could soften the blow. Hell, he's older than crap, his VP candidate might have a fair shot of being POTUS and then running for office herself in four years (although I thought the same thing about McCain, and he's still very much alive and kicking, so my fears about Palin taking charge were misplaced).
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