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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 11, 2016 12:40:35 GMT -5
I agree that O2 is taken out of context. It is not saying if you created a business, you did not create it at all. It is merely reminding people that infrastructure and other things lead to being able to create the business in the first place. i find it rather interesting that this fetid piece of protein is still stuck in the craw of the right. how many years ago did Obama say that? feels like it has been at least half a decade.
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Post by dondub on Feb 11, 2016 12:49:02 GMT -5
America has a long history of govt./business cooperation that has aided many businesses in there success. I guess the righties are ill informed in that regard so have decided to make fools of themselves in yet another method of denigrating Obama.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 11, 2016 13:57:31 GMT -5
I agree that O2 is taken out of context. It is not saying if you created a business, you did not create it at all. It is merely reminding people that infrastructure and other things lead to being able to create the business in the first place. i find it rather interesting that this fetid piece of protein is still stuck in the craw of the right. how many years ago did Obama say that? feels like it has been at least half a decade. July 13, 2012
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 11, 2016 14:14:08 GMT -5
i find it rather interesting that this fetid piece of protein is still stuck in the craw of the right. how many years ago did Obama say that? feels like it has been at least half a decade. July 13, 2012oh, not even four years? that's not bad.
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Post by dondub on Feb 11, 2016 14:46:06 GMT -5
Plenty of other Obama 'stuff' that has gone on for 7+ so no biggie.
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Post by Shooby on Feb 11, 2016 18:20:08 GMT -5
Of course Sanders wins but Hillary gets more delegates! The Dems always whine about the "popular vote". Well except when they don't want it to apply to them! LOL!
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 11, 2016 18:36:37 GMT -5
Of course Sanders wins but Hillary gets more delegates! The Dems always whine about the "popular vote". Well except when they don't want it to apply to them! LOL! i think you would have a hard time finding a Democrat that thought well of the concept of super-delegates.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 18:52:09 GMT -5
How would that be different from the past 7 (and counting) years? Whatever you think about Obama, that man can orate the crap out of anything. He is hands down one of the best speakers the Dems have, and he measures his words (for the most part) to avoid giving offense. That's how he first got noticed to begin with - he gave a speech at the democratic convention that was inspiring and thrilling.
You may not like what he says, and you may think his smooth way of talking without being offensive is just the typical slick political spin, but you can be pretty much certain he will not get up in a public forum and say something grossly impolitic or offensive to particular races or cultures.
If Trump got into the POTUS office, we can look forward not to the Bushism verbal flubs and fumbles (that will in retrospect seem quaint and cute) - no, we can all sit on the edge of our seats waiting for the next F bomb, slanderous racial or sexual stereotype or religious insult that might pop out of that carnival barker's lips.
It would be like Andrew Dice Clay as POTUS. No thanks. I don't deny that Obama is a smooth talker... that's why it scares the crap out of reasonable people every time he opens his mouth... it's the "What stupid or damaging idea is he going to talk people into this time?" question. It's the same thing with Trump (being scared when he opens his mouth)... but not for the same reason. Like you said about Trump, the fear with him is "Who is he going to insult this time?"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 18:53:05 GMT -5
I never commented about anything I "believe Obama has done"... only things he's actually done. unless the set of things you believe he has done is different than what he has actually done, you are arguing about nothing, Richard. I only believe he's done what he's actually done... so... not sure where you are going with this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 18:53:22 GMT -5
But his analogies are perfect! Yup. They are!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 18:54:26 GMT -5
I agree that O2 is taken out of context. It is not saying if you created a business, you did not create it at all. It is merely reminding people that infrastructure and other things lead to being able to create the business in the first place. i find it rather interesting that this fetid piece of protein is still stuck in the craw of the right. how many years ago did Obama say that? feels like it has been at least half a decade. Time doesn't erase facts... only revisionsts do that.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 11, 2016 19:26:53 GMT -5
... Time doesn't erase facts... only revisionsts do that. True that. For example, here is the fact: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jul/18/context-obamas-you-didnt-build-comment/ And here is the revision: ... 02: If you have a business, you didn't build that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 11, 2016 20:02:13 GMT -5
unless the set of things you believe he has done is different than what he has actually done, you are arguing about nothing, Richard. I only believe he's done what he's actually done... so... not sure where you are going with this. these discussions would be a lot shorter if you would not simply repeat what we have already agreed to as if it were a question.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 11, 2016 20:33:39 GMT -5
i find it rather interesting that this fetid piece of protein is still stuck in the craw of the right. how many years ago did Obama say that? feels like it has been at least half a decade. Time doesn't erase facts... only revisionsts do that. you realize that you are lecturing the guy who remembers what DAY that Bush told us that we were going to go to Iraq to stop Saddam from possibly giving WMD to terrorists, right? i am all about the continual harping on of presidential misdeeds. so, be my guest, comrade.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 20:41:45 GMT -5
... Time doesn't erase facts... only revisionsts do that. True that. For example, here is the fact: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jul/18/context-obamas-you-didnt-build-comment/ And here is the revision: ... 02: If you have a business, you didn't build that. I was quoting him (ETA: technically I was quoting a quote attributed to him {copy & pasted the whole thing!}... he did say something along those lines though). No revision. I never said he didn't get it from someone else (he did) I also never said there wasn't more to it. Nice try though.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 11, 2016 21:38:50 GMT -5
... I was quoting him (ETA: technically I was quoting a quote attributed to him {copy & pasted the whole thing!}... ... Then why are you still claiming you are quoting him before admitting you aren't quoting him?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 21:48:58 GMT -5
... I was quoting him (ETA: technically I was quoting a quote attributed to him {copy & pasted the whole thing!}... ... Then why are you still claiming you are quoting him before admitting you aren't quoting him? Unless the specific person posts something using their own typing skills, you do know that when you go to a webpage and copy & paste, it's always a quote of someone attributing a quote... right? Please tell me that you knew that. I just know how picky you are... so I wanted to get all the accuracy I could. So I was quoting him... by quoting someone else that had already quoted him.
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Post by dondub on Feb 11, 2016 22:20:13 GMT -5
Although you have pretended to quote people by giving the impression the quoted remark is theirs. I'm sure you have an explanation for that that justifies it to yourself.
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Post by Opti on Feb 11, 2016 22:32:08 GMT -5
To change the topic slightly, I think Obama's 57 state comment is more like a Bushism than Trump not telling the truth about verbally dissing women. That 57 state thing will be with him probably for life. Much like this classic will for Bush.
Crap, won't copy.
... fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/bushisms/2009/01/ws_greatest_hits.html (#12)
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 11, 2016 22:34:52 GMT -5
Then why are you still claiming you are quoting him before admitting you aren't quoting him? Unless the specific person posts something using their own typing skills, you do know that when you go to a webpage and copy & paste, it's always a quote of someone attributing a quote... right? Please tell me that you knew that. I just know how picky you are... so I wanted to get all the accuracy I could. So I was quoting him... by quoting someone else that had already quoted him. Yeah but when you go to sites that have your head up their ass all you get is shit. So you got a cite for where you got what you quoted?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 22:41:37 GMT -5
Unless the specific person posts something using their own typing skills, you do know that when you go to a webpage and copy & paste, it's always a quote of someone attributing a quote... right? Please tell me that you knew that. I just know how picky you are... so I wanted to get all the accuracy I could. So I was quoting him... by quoting someone else that had already quoted him. Yeah but when you go to sites that have your head up their ass all you get is shit. So you got a cite for where you got what you quoted? You can google it... I did. (I remembered the quote... but didn't want to misrepresent it... so I wanted to be able to "copy & paste"... That's actually what I did for both Obama AND Trump {wherever a quote was involved}). ETA: and I believe the word you were looking for was "site" short for "website".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 22:44:58 GMT -5
No, cite short for citation. (Or just the verb form )
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Post by Opti on Feb 11, 2016 22:54:06 GMT -5
incite - incite a riot
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 11, 2016 23:11:23 GMT -5
Yeah but when you go to sites that have your head up their ass all you get is shit. So you got a cite for where you got what you quoted? You can google it... I did. (I remembered the quote... but didn't want to misrepresent it... so I wanted to be able to "copy & paste"... That's actually what I did for both Obama AND Trump {wherever a quote was involved}). ETA: and I believe the word you were looking for was "site" short for "website". I did Google what Obama actually said. I went to a site, copied from it, posted it, and I cited my source in my reply. I am asking that you also cite the site at which you found your quote so that others can assess the authenticity of the quote you posted and the one that I posted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 23:52:30 GMT -5
No, cite short for citation. (Or just the verb form ) Oh I didn't get in trouble... so no ticket or fine (citation) was issued
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 23:53:37 GMT -5
You can google it... I did. (I remembered the quote... but didn't want to misrepresent it... so I wanted to be able to "copy & paste"... That's actually what I did for both Obama AND Trump {wherever a quote was involved}). ETA: and I believe the word you were looking for was "site" short for "website". I did Google what Obama actually said. I went to a site, copied from it, posted it, and I cited my source in my reply. I am asking that you also cite the site at which you found your quote so that others can assess the authenticity of the quote you posted and the one that I posted. Give me some time to sort through my history... ETA: Time for me to close shift... I'll continue combing my history for the exact link tomorrow (since it's that damn important and so impossible for you to use Google)
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 12, 2016 1:10:03 GMT -5
... so impossible for you to use Google) I have no problem using Google. I know that I can find what you posted on hundreds if not thousands of sites. It is called the right wing echo chamber for a reason. What I am asking you for is the one site that you copy and pasted it from. Or hell, just pick one that you like that has it so that people can judge the character of sites that offer the words that you posted.
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Post by Opti on Feb 12, 2016 9:21:42 GMT -5
I'm not finding much on this except Obama does not like concealed weapons for average citizens. I think anything in the parenthesis is conjecture instead of something the President actually said, so its dubious as an argument. There are things you can be against, but you live with in certain circumstances because it appears to be the better way. I do not understand how one would equate security details, or police, with private citizens.
And how exposed weapons have anything to do with being in favor or not of concealed weapons... ?
Slightly OT I found this website, trying to research the concealed weapon quote. It complains Obama is wrong about the 400,000 figure since 9/11, however, if he is including suicides in that number - he should be correct. (The audio has him mention suicides as well FWIW.) townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/10/28/obama-im-not-going-to-take-your-guns-away-nobodys-doing-that-n2072084
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 19:06:04 GMT -5
... so impossible for you to use Google) I have no problem using Google. I know that I can find what you posted on hundreds if not thousands of sites. It is called the right wing echo chamber for a reason. What I am asking you for is the one site that you copy and pasted it from. Or hell, just pick one that you like that has it so that people can judge the character of sites that offer the words that you posted. Well... to save me time combing through my history... and since you "graciously" offered to allow "pick one you like"... How about YouTube and Obama himself? At about 43 seconds into the clip:
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 12, 2016 21:41:29 GMT -5
I have no problem using Google. I know that I can find what you posted on hundreds if not thousands of sites. It is called the right wing echo chamber for a reason. What I am asking you for is the one site that you copy and pasted it from. Or hell, just pick one that you like that has it so that people can judge the character of sites that offer the words that you posted. Well... to save me time combing through my history... and since you "graciously" offered to allow "pick one you like"... How about YouTube and Obama himself? At about 43 seconds into the clip: Perfect. Transcribe what he says and compare it to the words that you say quote him.
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