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Post by Value Buy on Jul 27, 2015 16:26:28 GMT -5
we have a local burger establishment that uses fresh, local ingredients, pays their employees well, and charges about $10 for a burger. the place is packed constantly. if you stop bottom feeding, and find your niche, you can do just fine in the restaurant business. the problem, of course, is that many of these franchisees are restricted in what they can do, and are bottom feeders. terrible combination. edit: i just called in an order. three burgers, tax and tip was $35. and yes, it was delicious. Three burgers, $30 tax? 7%? (Do not know California sales tax rate?) You obviously under tipped the poorly paid delivery person who works for tips.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 27, 2015 16:27:25 GMT -5
we have a local burger establishment that uses fresh, local ingredients, pays their employees well, and charges about $10 for a burger. the place is packed constantly. if you stop bottom feeding, and find your niche, you can do just fine in the restaurant business. the problem, of course, is that many of these franchisees are restricted in what they can do, and are bottom feeders. terrible combination. edit: i just called in an order. three burgers, tax and tip was $35. and yes, it was delicious. Three burgers, $30 tax? 7%? (Do not know California sales tax rate?) You obviously under tipped the poorly paid delivery person who works for tips. it was "to go", not delivery. but yes, i tipped the counter person.
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 27, 2015 16:38:24 GMT -5
Three burgers, $30 tax? 7%? (Do not know California sales tax rate?) You obviously under tipped the poorly paid delivery person who works for tips. it was "to go", not delivery. but yes, i tipped the counter person. Thanks for the clarification. Isn't that sort of dangerous for the employee? Or is that allowed by mgmt? Some companies would consider the employee messing with the till, and it certainly does not cover the grill crew who made them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 27, 2015 16:56:16 GMT -5
it was "to go", not delivery. but yes, i tipped the counter person. Thanks for the clarification. Isn't that sort of dangerous for the employee? Or is that allowed by mgmt? Some companies would consider the employee messing with the till, and it certainly does not cover the grill crew who made them. up to them to figure it out. i just rounded up on the tip line to the nearest $5.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 28, 2015 10:02:30 GMT -5
I don't think working at a fast food joint as a minimum wage associate was supposed to be a long term career with the ability to support a family.
I thought most minimum wage positions were for students, young people, retirees, homemakers or others looking for extra spending money or something to do.
In fast food, I'd think you'd eventually get better skills and move up to management, open your own franchise, or move on to a better paying job.
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 28, 2015 10:57:44 GMT -5
I just thought up a new reality television show. "Are you smarter than a minimum wage fast food worker?"
It would be a great addition to Fox Network
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 28, 2015 10:58:48 GMT -5
It could be similar to the website showing Wal Mart shoppers, only live interaction with them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 11:02:25 GMT -5
A 15$ minimum wage shifts income from government to employer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 11:02:36 GMT -5
But is the whole country talking 15$ anyway? Or just localities?
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 28, 2015 11:08:39 GMT -5
A 15$ minimum wage shifts income from government to employer. It shifts tax payouts from the government to low income recipients of the government programs. Townships will pay out less in poor relief States might actually issue fewer foodstamps Federal and state income from earned income might go up a tad, and earned income tax credits might decline some. Until they make all the illegals eligible for everything, so they can move the money from needy citizens to illegals. So it helps the government, and hurts the economy and it's citizens, with inflation over the longterm, thus making everyone who lost eligibility due to the wage increase eligible again due to lost wages to inflation.
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Post by Angel! on Jul 28, 2015 11:14:36 GMT -5
I like it. Now if we can just get the robots to cook the food too, then I wouldn't get my order screwed up.
Machines have been replacing people for decades. This is nothing new. Sorry. It's not you. Just... Yours is the only post not 'in denial' so to speak. I was reading through the litany of "self-serve is too hard", "I don't like self-serve", "robots are hard to maintain" puppies and rainbows, and lo here is Angel bucking the trend and embracing reality. And then at the end: "Machines have been replacing people for decades. This is nothing new." Or, alternatively translated, "...but, we can still enjoy our puppies and rainbows!" Maybe I'm a younger generation than many posters. But, I don't get the "it's too hard" & "I don't like self-serve". I prefer self checkout if I don't have too much stuff & have no special needs, such as a lot of produce or buying gift cards. It is fast & easy. 15 years ago they may have been hard to use ('please place you item in the bagging area', 'please wait for a clerk', etc), but they've come a long way since then for the most part & they are fast & easy to use. It also isn't hard to order via a machine - ever ordered food online? As long as the software/ordering system is well-designed, they are super easy to use & easy to make special order changes to your food.
Some people may not like it, but it is the way things are going for 2 reasons - it is cheap & the younger generation overwhelming prefers technology. 40 years ago a company like mine would have had 20 designers doing by hand what 2 can now do with a computer. We would have had 10 secretaries doing what voicemail & email & computers now do. Over & over we will see technology eliminating jobs, the trend won't change.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 28, 2015 11:23:23 GMT -5
I don't think working at a fast food joint as a minimum wage associate was supposed to be a long term career with the ability to support a family. I thought most minimum wage positions were for students, young people, retirees, homemakers or others looking for extra spending money or something to do. In fast food, I'd think you'd eventually get better skills and move up to management, open your own franchise, or move on to a better paying job. you thought wrong. FMW was designed as a LIVING WAGE. this language was repeated in the original FMW proposal:
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 28, 2015 11:25:18 GMT -5
A 15$ minimum wage shifts income from government to employer. which is a downright libertarian notion.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 28, 2015 11:26:42 GMT -5
A 15$ minimum wage shifts income from government to employer. It shifts tax payouts from the government to low income recipients of the government programs. Townships will pay out less in poor relief States might actually issue fewer foodstamps Federal and state income from earned income might go up a tad, and earned income tax credits might decline some. Until they make all the illegals eligible for everything, so they can move the money from needy citizens to illegals. So it helps the government, and hurts the economy and it's citizens, with inflation over the longterm, thus making everyone who lost eligibility due to the wage increase eligible again due to lost wages to inflation. there is no indication that increasing FMW contributes to long term inflation. in fact, there is very little evidence it contributes to short term inflation. it does, however, contribute to a thriving middle class, by keeping the poor out of debt and off welfare.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jul 28, 2015 12:08:46 GMT -5
It shifts tax payouts from the government to low income recipients of the government programs. Townships will pay out less in poor relief States might actually issue fewer foodstamps Federal and state income from earned income might go up a tad, and earned income tax credits might decline some. Until they make all the illegals eligible for everything, so they can move the money from needy citizens to illegals. So it helps the government, and hurts the economy and it's citizens, with inflation over the longterm, thus making everyone who lost eligibility due to the wage increase eligible again due to lost wages to inflation. there is no indication that increasing FMW contributes to long term inflation. in fact, there is very little evidence it contributes to short term inflation. it does, however, contribute to a thriving middle class, by keeping the poor out of debt and off welfare. Then I guess the reason there are HCOL and LCOL areas has nothing to do with the wages in those areas. Wages may not match on the extremes in those areas, but median income probably does having something to do with it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 28, 2015 12:41:39 GMT -5
there is no indication that increasing FMW contributes to long term inflation. in fact, there is very little evidence it contributes to short term inflation. it does, however, contribute to a thriving middle class, by keeping the poor out of debt and off welfare. Then I guess the reason there are HCOL and LCOL areas has nothing to do with the wages in those areas. Wages may not match on the extremes in those areas, but median income probably does having something to do with it. HCOL and LCOL areas have similar inflation, so i am not sure what your point is. MINE was that increasing MW doesn't contribute significantly to inflation.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jul 28, 2015 13:18:47 GMT -5
Then I guess the reason there are HCOL and LCOL areas has nothing to do with the wages in those areas. Wages may not match on the extremes in those areas, but median income probably does having something to do with it. HCOL and LCOL areas have similar inflation, so i am not sure what your point is. MINE was that increasing MW doesn't contribute significantly to inflation. It might not have much of an influence in HCOL areas, but I'm guessing it would have a bigger influence in LCOL area because if the median wage is $12 (as an example), and now the minimum wage increased to $15, then I'm guessing the cost-of-living will increase with the increase in median income. It would actually hurt those areas the most.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 28, 2015 14:43:47 GMT -5
HCOL and LCOL areas have similar inflation, so i am not sure what your point is. MINE was that increasing MW doesn't contribute significantly to inflation. It might not have much of an influence in HCOL areas, but I'm guessing it would have a bigger influence in LCOL area because if the median wage is $12 (as an example), and now the minimum wage increased to $15, then I'm guessing the cost-of-living will increase with the increase in median income. It would actually hurt those areas the most. i was referring to NATIONAL inflation, since it is the FEDERAL minimum wage we are discussing. localities will, of course, have different impacts. on the one hand, inflation to the general public will be higher. on the other hand the economic stimulus of having vastly more disposable income among the poor will have a positive impact. this is why that although the impact of higher FMW on inflation is minimal, the GDP impact is neutral to slightly positive (as the poor tend to spend their pay increase more than the rich do).
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 29, 2015 7:48:23 GMT -5
Sorry. It's not you. Just... Yours is the only post not 'in denial' so to speak. I was reading through the litany of "self-serve is too hard", "I don't like self-serve", "robots are hard to maintain" puppies and rainbows, and lo here is Angel bucking the trend and embracing reality. And then at the end: "Machines have been replacing people for decades. This is nothing new." Or, alternatively translated, "...but, we can still enjoy our puppies and rainbows!" Maybe I'm a younger generation than many posters. But, I don't get the "it's too hard" & "I don't like self-serve". I prefer self checkout if I don't have too much stuff & have no special needs, such as a lot of produce or buying gift cards. It is fast & easy. 15 years ago they may have been hard to use ('please place you item in the bagging area', 'please wait for a clerk', etc), but they've come a long way since then for the most part & they are fast & easy to use. It also isn't hard to order via a machine - ever ordered food online? As long as the software/ordering system is well-designed, they are super easy to use & easy to make special order changes to your food.
Some people may not like it, but it is the way things are going for 2 reasons - it is cheap & the younger generation overwhelming prefers technology. 40 years ago a company like mine would have had 20 designers doing by hand what 2 can now do with a computer. We would have had 10 secretaries doing what voicemail & email & computers now do. Over & over we will see technology eliminating jobs, the trend won't change.
Nope things haven't changed. That is exactly how it still is. I listened to it for 5 hours last night. As far as them being the wave of the future I don't think so, at least not for grocery stores. Shop lifiting is just too high at them. www.telegram.com/article/20140126/NEWS/301269987usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/story/2011-09-26/groceries-bag-self-checkout/50553020/1www.businessinsider.com/costco-is-eliminating-self-checkout-2013-6heizerrenderom.wordpress.com/2013/10/14/om-in-the-news-the-disappearing-supermarket-self-check-out/So what do we say when humans are replacing machines? "Oh the technology!"??
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 29, 2015 8:12:38 GMT -5
I don't think working at a fast food joint as a minimum wage associate was supposed to be a long term career with the ability to support a family. I thought most minimum wage positions were for students, young people, retirees, homemakers or others looking for extra spending money or something to do. In fast food, I'd think you'd eventually get better skills and move up to management, open your own franchise, or move on to a better paying job. you thought wrong. FMW was designed as a LIVING WAGE. this language was repeated in the original FMW proposal: I think we can all agree FDR and the American dream versus reality of those times is totally different from then and from today. It is sort of like comparing the writers of our Constitution in the 1770's and their thoughts and beliefs being applied by the Supreme Court and our President today. There is no connection. Apples and oranges, and tons of red herring.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 29, 2015 11:13:46 GMT -5
you thought wrong. FMW was designed as a LIVING WAGE. this language was repeated in the original FMW proposal: I think we can all agree FDR and the American dream versus reality of those times is totally different from then and from today. It is sort of like comparing the writers of our Constitution in the 1770's and their thoughts and beliefs being applied by the Supreme Court and our President today. There is no connection. that has nothing to do with my point. the FMW was slated to be a LIVING WAGE. this idea that it is a starter wage for teens is BULLSHIT, VB. what it has TURNED OUT TO BE is a product of politics. what it was INTENDED TO BE was a living wage.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 11:41:37 GMT -5
The local amusement park routinely pays underage kids less of income than mw and then pays a fee/fine? I'm not sure how that works?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 11:43:47 GMT -5
And again isn't the nationsl proposal like 10.10? ... 15 is just certain localities.
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Post by mroped on Jul 29, 2015 15:17:40 GMT -5
"Until they make all the illegals eligible for everything, so they can move the money from needy citizens to illegals."
Do you really think that the illegals are the biggest burden on budgets and funding and things of that nature?
If someone is illegal that means they don't pay taxes therefore don't get tax returns. They don't qualify for any social programs except for Emergency care which they reluctantly take due to the fear of being deported. I believe that you have a misconcept in regards to what it means to be illegal but I also know that sometimes, some politicians and some so called news outlets blame everything on illegals. It is easier that way than look at the problem and figure out for say where is the most money being wasted from the budget. Corporations anybody? Nah! It's easier to simply say"illegals!" Problem solved!
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 29, 2015 20:01:51 GMT -5
What makes you think illegals don't suck out of tax dollars way more than they pay in?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 30, 2015 0:01:10 GMT -5
What makes you think illegals don't suck out of tax dollars way more than they pay in? several studies. i have posted them.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 30, 2015 8:51:23 GMT -5
"Until they make all the illegals eligible for everything, so they can move the money from needy citizens to illegals." Do you really think that the illegals are the biggest burden on budgets and funding and things of that nature? If someone is illegal that means they don't pay taxes therefore don't get tax returns. They don't qualify for any social programs except for Emergency care which they reluctantly take due to the fear of being deported. I believe that you have a misconcept in regards to what it means to be illegal but I also know that sometimes, some politicians and some so called news outlets blame everything on illegals. It is easier that way than look at the problem and figure out for say where is the most money being wasted from the budget. Corporations anybody? Nah! It's easier to simply say"illegals!" Problem solved! Just to point out that if someone is here illegally they actually would pay taxes that they can't get back on their tax return. It actually happens all the time that the IRS reports millions of SS numbers that it has gotten with holdings for that don't correspond to actual people. That money just gets kept by the gov. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/02/AR2010090202673.html
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 30, 2015 8:59:09 GMT -5
The local amusement park routinely pays underage kids less of income than mw and then pays a fee/fine? I'm not sure how that works? I don't even think it is a fee. I thought some states built in exemptions for the MW. I thought students working under 20 hours a week and seasonal employees in amusement parks were part of that. I doubt an adult would take that job knowing it pays so little but you never know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 9:12:41 GMT -5
There are adults who work there? The kids who work there said it was just because they were 'under age'... I'd heard it from more than one over the years, but I never understood quite how it worked.
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