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Post by The Captain on Feb 17, 2015 9:37:21 GMT -5
After Spencer Ore was banned from a Montana high school in 2013 for bringing two pistols to campus and was accused of making threats, his parents sought help with the hope that one day he'd reintegrate into society. ... Psychiatrists have since told his parents that the combination of those drugs, along with his then-undiagnosed bipolar disorder, could potentially make him unstable. Spencer told two stories about why he packed the guns that day. In one, he planned to run away after school to live off the land in the Rocky Mountains. In the other, he wanted to prove that automatic weapons aren't necessary to carry out a school shooting. ... "I'd like to go back to school, hang out with other kids my age," Spencer said, shrugging slightly in his plaid button-down. "I just want to be a normal kid again." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/montana-community-turns-away-teen-with-troubled-past/ar-BBhEHqPHoly f@ck!!! Seriously - the parents think any school would want that walking time bomb back among a bunch of defenseless kids? How would you react if your school was forced to admit this kid to your child's class?
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2015 9:46:38 GMT -5
Id take my kid out. I'd also move away if possible. I'm sorry the child is mentally ill but the rights of one should not overrule the rights of all. I don't think I'd keep my kid in that school anyway. That kid is trouble looking for someplace to happen. He will show up to that school and cause trouble. My kid is not going to be a shooting duck, thank you very much. He needs to be institutionalized.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2015 10:11:07 GMT -5
Adam Lanza was not an enrolled student at Shady Hook Elementary School.
Will isolating this individual make him more or less likely to act out? I don't have the answer but do feel it is something to consider.
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Post by kittensaver on Feb 17, 2015 10:22:03 GMT -5
Adam Lanza was not an enrolled student at Shady Hook Elementary School. Will isolating this individual make him more or less likely to act out? I don't have the answer but do feel it is something to consider. The chief medical officer at my work (psychiatrist in a non-profit agency) has done some research and says that yes indeed, isolating individuals make them MORE likely to act out. Let me see if I can find any of the cites and come back and post them.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2015 10:33:06 GMT -5
My kid is not going to be a Guinea pig for any social experiment. The people who dream up this shit are not the ones who have to suffer the consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 10:38:28 GMT -5
Seems to me it's the person with the issues you don't know about that's more likely to be the problem...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 10:40:35 GMT -5
Why would you want this kid somewhere you aren't monitoring him, feeling rejected and with lots of time on his hands?
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2015 10:44:27 GMT -5
True but why knowingly ask for problems? I made sure my kids weren't in classes with some students because I knew their problems and didn't want my child in the same class with them. Those kids whose parents didn't know any better or didn't care or had kids with behavioral issues themselves, didn't find it the issue that I did.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2015 10:44:37 GMT -5
"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" comes to mind.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 17, 2015 10:45:18 GMT -5
Eesh that's a hard one. I know that I am supposed to say for the good of society he should be allowed back into the school because there he will make friends, get support and hopefully live a normal life with the assistance of medication and regular therapy. At the same time though I am not eager to put my child in the middle of a social experiment. In an ideal world everything would be rainbows, if it isn't then my kid is in the line of fire.
Not an easy answer. Maybe alternative schools need to make a comeback.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2015 10:47:03 GMT -5
I'm not thinking the staff would feel real safe either. Students who threatened teachers never returned to my school. Don't know where they went.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2015 10:52:10 GMT -5
... Don't know where they went. Into the shadows.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2015 10:52:58 GMT -5
Hopefully they got help.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2015 10:54:38 GMT -5
... Maybe alternative schools need to make a comeback. That way it would only be other "problem children" in the line of fire.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 17, 2015 11:00:33 GMT -5
That way it would only be other "problem children" in the line of fire
True. I am not going to pretend I am altruistic enough to embrace the kid going to the same school as my kid's.
At the same time I feel guilty about suggesting he go elsewhere.
There's no easy answer.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 17, 2015 11:12:07 GMT -5
What is the community to do once he ages out of high school. He will be thought of as much a danger then as he is thought of now.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 17, 2015 11:18:43 GMT -5
Bills is right. There are issues you can't see coming and can't protect your kids against. This is an issue that we CAN see coming. You can't always save the world but you can try your best to protect your own corner of it. My kid would be out of that school before the end of the day. Call me unfeeling...whatever. My kid would be out of there.
There are other alternatives. What about home schooling? What about private tutoring? What about a GED? Yes. People are still in potential danger but one is better than 500 or however many students and faculty are attending that school. Hiring a tutor who knows and accepts the risks makes much more sense than endangering a bunch of kids who have no choice. He has a right to an education. He just doesn't have the right to obtain it at the risk of hundreds of other kids. I'm sorry he misses basketball games and hanging out with his friends. Guess that's the price you pay for bringing guns to school, threatening to blow shit up on Facebooks, etc.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 17, 2015 11:50:52 GMT -5
It's nice to sit here and say we should integrate individuals like this...
but honestly tell me you'd be ok with this powder keg sitting next to your kid in class, or playing with them during gym. If so you have much more faith in psychiatry than do I.
At my old house we had one of these "special cases" who caused several violent incidents at the local HS. It finally took him putting a knife into a teacher's eye to get expelled/sent to juvie.
Yea, one of my neighbors had kids that were in the same class as the nutcase. Not a damn thing that could be done about it.
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Post by mroped on Feb 17, 2015 11:51:41 GMT -5
How about some "special schools" for children with this kind of a problem? Nationwide, there is gotta be enough to fill for a decent size school. A stricter regimen and with constant supervision, therapy and such these kids still can be productive members of society in the future. I am not talking about a "military" school but something that has more of a strict regimen, something like a boarding school. Students can't leave the premises without supervision and aproval, parents or relatives can visit, etc Customized "teaching" can be done when you have a controlled environment. Public schools are not much of a controlled environment and that way you expose to dangers students that are unaware of what's going on. In a school specialized in this kind of a case, well everybody's got a problem but it can be monitored and worked with.
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Post by Shooby on Feb 17, 2015 11:53:28 GMT -5
He lost his right to go to school in bringing weapons. Sorry, you don't always get a second chance to pick up where you left off. Doesn't mean he can't go on to be a functioning and productive member of society. But, parents have the right to expect their childrens' safety takes precendence over criminal behavior.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2015 11:55:45 GMT -5
Because no parent wants their "precious" labeled. Or being judged because their kid isn't "normal."
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2015 11:58:36 GMT -5
It's also incredibly easy to lie and bs counselors. They've got to be among the dumbest people I've ever met. The more you spin bs, the more they eat it up. It's sad and pathetic but because they're unable to see past the lies and bs, I don't trust what they say. They need to say they have a success or cure rate or they feel bad or look bad.
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Post by Shooby on Feb 17, 2015 11:59:39 GMT -5
Yes. Do they have a crystal ball? Can they say with authority and certainty who is or isn't dangerous? No, they can't. He can do homeschooling or cyber school. Tough taters.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2015 12:03:01 GMT -5
You'd see a lot less criminals getting off if judges and lawyers and even counselors being held criminally and financially responsible for anything the criminal they let back out does.
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Post by swamp on Feb 17, 2015 12:06:50 GMT -5
Eesh that's a hard one. I know that I am supposed to say for the good of society he should be allowed back into the school because there he will make friends, get support and hopefully live a normal life with the assistance of medication and regular therapy. At the same time though I am not eager to put my child in the middle of a social experiment. In an ideal world everything would be rainbows, if it isn't then my kid is in the line of fire.
Not an easy answer. Maybe alternative schools need to make a comeback. Your kid already is part of a social experiment. That's what school is.
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Post by swamp on Feb 17, 2015 12:14:30 GMT -5
You'd see a lot less criminals getting off if judges and lawyers and even counselors being held criminally and financially responsible for anything the criminal they let back out does. so I should be sued if I get charges dismissed against a defendant where the cops screwed up?
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Post by busymom on Feb 17, 2015 12:18:50 GMT -5
At our high school, the EBD kids are in the same building as the "regular" population. Unfortunately, sometimes they act out & intentionally try & injure the kids in the regular population. Or, they go after the special needs kids, because they're an easier target. I realize every kid is entitled to an education, but unless you're willing to have a loose cannon in the seat next to your own kid, I say "No!"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 12:20:37 GMT -5
It's called public school people. It not only admits, but is compulsory to the public... If you want to avoid the public, may I suggest YOU consider home/cyber school?
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Post by MarleyKeezy78 on Feb 17, 2015 12:29:31 GMT -5
Some people just shouldn't be mainstreamed, case in point DH has a aspi kid in his class who is extremly disruptive and he has sent the kid to the office on a few occasions. The new principal at DH school came from the same elemetary school that this kid came from, she won't do anything about his behavior and told DH not to send him to the office anymore because she doesn't want to have to deal with him either! DH is trying to teach a god damn class with just more than this kid and how is that fair to the rest of the class if this little shit gets to act out and keep interupting class!? The new principal also blames the teacher no matter what if the kids are failing classes! Also they want to cut the teachers who help deal with these type of kids(resource teachers)! You can't have children who are out of control in a regular classroom! DH said this is the type of kid who will snap one day and shoot up a class The parents don't see any problem because this principal has not done anything in the past and has also given all the teachers many problems this school year, a bunch are planning on retiring this year because of her
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 12:31:15 GMT -5
That's terrible Marley. How are the parents? Are they amenable to alternatives?
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