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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Feb 17, 2015 18:02:13 GMT -5
That wouldn't be a very viable or productive way of getting the kid in the OP back on the straight & narrow.
Placing him in a school with other troubled kids would be an ideal breeding ground for him to pick up more crime tips from his peers, or become involved in gangs, etc.
Since the boy was seeing a Psychiatrist, I think it's safe to say he has psychological issues. You don't want to place him in an environment with other "difficult" students, as you called them.
The parents are aware of his issues - they should be looking at other options for him to finish his education other than in a public school setting.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 17, 2015 18:08:30 GMT -5
He will probably always be a threat until he is removed from society, either by a bullet or by prison. But just like pedophiles are not welcome around civilized people, he has the same fate awaiting him.  . It's sad but we have no place in society for those with anti social behaviors. But he cannot be removed until he very seriously brakes the law. Until he breaks the law, he cannot be removed. Until that time, hee is a threat in or out of school. |
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2015 18:26:31 GMT -5
I know. It's sad the way our mentally ill are treated. They have RIGHTS but no responsibilities. Fool the ones "treating" them-easy enough to do. Then out to cause more harm to themselves and others.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2015 18:49:56 GMT -5
... In our city we have a third high school for difficult kids. He would fit there. If only he lived in your city instead of where he lives. |
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Post by Shooby on Feb 17, 2015 20:06:24 GMT -5
I see the person as a threat. He might: 1) be an enrolled student who brings a gun to school and shoots people or 2) be a person not enrolled in school who takes a gun to the school and shoots people. And I said it earlier in this thread-what happens when he ages out of high school? Will he no longer be a threat to the community and school(s)? Once a threat then he is at risk. How many waving red flags are enough. |
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Post by Shooby on Feb 17, 2015 20:08:02 GMT -5
He will probably always be a threat until he is removed from society, either by a bullet or by prison. But just like pedophiles are not welcome around civilized people, he has the same fate awaiting him. . It's sad but we have no place in society for those with anti social behaviors. But he cannot be removed until he very seriously brakes the law. Until he breaks the law, he cannot be removed. Until that time, hee is a threat in or out of school. Fine. Out of school is better. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 17, 2015 20:33:50 GMT -5
But he cannot be removed until he very seriously brakes the law. Until he breaks the law, he cannot be removed. Until that time, hee is a threat in or out of school. Fine. Out of school is better. So because he is not attending the school, he is less of a threat? Shooby-I have to think you have never heard the name Adam Lanza. He was not attending school either. |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Feb 17, 2015 20:35:29 GMT -5
What's your answer for a best scenario solution?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 17, 2015 21:57:59 GMT -5
Fine. Out of school is better. So because he is not attending the school, he is less of a threat? Shooby-I have to think you have never heard the name Adam Lanza. He was not attending school either. Tenn....I get what you are saying. Yes. He's still a threat if he's not in school, but you don't deliberately send a wolf into a chicken house. You can minimize the risk of giving this guy his second chance in society and you don't do that by putting him in a school setting with a bunch of defenseless kids. That's just asking for trouble. This kid has other alternatives available to him that minimize the risk to others. Adam Lanza was the exception - not the rule. If I recall correctly, the vast majority of school shootings are done by students in that school.
I do see what you are saying and I understand and even agree that people get second chances, but if I read the article correctly earlier, even this kid's doctors says he is "unstable". A public school setting is not the right answer.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2015 22:13:10 GMT -5
... A public school setting is not the right answer. From the link in the OP: Along with mood-stabilizing medication to treat bipolar disorder, psychiatrists prescribed Spencer something else: social interaction, specifically at school. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 17, 2015 22:13:35 GMT -5
Green Eyed Lady - I actually have no opinion whether he should be allowed to attend the school or not. The point I am making is if this young man is as troubled as many posters believe he is then no one in this small town is safe whether the young man attends the high school or not. Additionally, nothing can legally be done to him until he breaks the law. I just wonder if it is better to know what he is up to 8 hours a day, five days a week, rather than have no idea what he is up to at all.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Feb 17, 2015 22:30:48 GMT -5
GEL, and Shooby - what is your suggestion?
If you listen to Artemis, she suggested the boy be put into a school for troubled (or as she words it) "difficult" children.
First of all this boy is not a child - he's a teen.
Second, placing him with other "troubled youth" isn't going to help - in fact it could lead to far more serious problems for this kid, - or even tragedy - including someone or several getting killed if he gets involved with other troubled youth. That's a tragedy in the making.
Since the boy was seeing a Psychiatrist and had been diagnosed for "issues", it's up to HIS parents to find alternative means of him reaching his GED - be that online classes, private licensed & certified tutor, or any other means available to keep him out of the general school population.
The only problem is, this kid could hold a grudge for being barred from attending school and seek revenge. He already got his hands on weapons once.
It's up to the parents to get him into a safe and secure environment where he might have a chance of becoming a productive member of society instead of criminal..... or murderer.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2015 22:34:15 GMT -5
... A public school setting is not the right answer. From the link in the OP: Along with mood-stabilizing medication to treat bipolar disorder, psychiatrists prescribed Spencer something else: social interaction, specifically at school. Easy for the so-called experts to say. Are they volunteering their children or their community for this child's well being? No. They wouldn't think of risking their children's lives but someone else's is fair game |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Feb 17, 2015 22:40:35 GMT -5
The youth can get social interaction in other ways other than in the classroom - a sports league, for example. Let him take out his aggressions on a soccer field or hockey rink.
The coaches will keep him in line.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 17, 2015 23:43:21 GMT -5
GEL, and Shooby - what is your suggestion?
If you listen to Artemis, she suggested the boy be put into a school for troubled (or as she words it) "difficult" children.
First of all this boy is not a child - he's a teen.
Second, placing him with other "troubled youth" isn't going to help - in fact it could lead to far more serious problems for this kid, - or even tragedy - including someone or several getting killed if he gets involved with other troubled youth. That's a tragedy in the making.
Since the boy was seeing a Psychiatrist and had been diagnosed for "issues", it's up to HIS parents to find alternative means of him reaching his GED - be that online classes, private licensed & certified tutor, or any other means available to keep him out of the general school population.
The only problem is, this kid could hold a grudge for being barred from attending school and seek revenge. He already got his hands on weapons once.
It's up to the parents to get him into a safe and secure environment where he might have a chance of becoming a productive member of society instead of criminal..... or murderer.
I've already listed my suggestions. In addition, in a lot of places, the school district IS responsible for the costs of alternatively educating a child they can't program for for whatever reason. It's not strictly "up to his parents".
So......let your kid go to school with him. Your prerogative. I simply stated what I'd do. It's certainly not a law for everyone.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 17, 2015 23:49:39 GMT -5
Green Eyed Lady - I actually have no opinion whether he should be allowed to attend the school or not. The point I am making is if this young man is as troubled as many posters believe he is then no one in this small town is safe whether the young man attends the high school or not. Additionally, nothing can legally be done to him until he breaks the law. I just wonder if it is better to know what he is up to 8 hours a day, five days a week, rather than have no idea what he is up to at all. All true, Tenn. I'd just minimize the risk to the defenseless if I could. He comes into a building I'm in and starts firing away? It's a guarantee I'd be able to fight fire with fire and a big probability I'm a better shot. But those kids...not so much. I just couldn't risk their lives like that. But then...I'm a total softie when it comes to defenseless kids. And dogs. I wouldn't let him work in an animal shelter either.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 17, 2015 23:52:00 GMT -5
... A public school setting is not the right answer. From the link in the OP: Along with mood-stabilizing medication to treat bipolar disorder, psychiatrists prescribed Spencer something else: social interaction, specifically at school. Without being insulting to anyone in the field, I don't have a whole lot of faith in the field. Ask 20 of them and you'll get 20 different prescriptions. |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Feb 17, 2015 23:53:56 GMT -5
That's not what I said - he had been under Psychiatric care or counseling in the recent past (since he's a minor, I have to assume his parents were involved in that taking place).
So they know he has "issues". They also obviously had weapons in their home.
It isn't the school district's responsibility for this kid to be allowed to attend classes. It's the kid's parents responsibility to make sure he's not going to turn into another "loose cannon" going to school with a weapon and blowing other students into smithereens.
There are alternative means for this kid's parents to get him his GED and hopefully back on the right track in society - including more Psychiatric counseling, etc - (I mentioned a few earlier) that don't involve him being in the public school system where he could be a risk to other students and staff.
Did "Sandy Hook" teach people nothing? Was that tragedy all in vain?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 18, 2015 0:08:32 GMT -5
... I'd just minimize the risk to the defenseless if I could.... The trick is figuring out exactly how to do that. Does isolating this kid do that? Enroll the kid, require that parent deliver him directly to the office each day, pat down for weapons, parent picks him up at the end of the day. |
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 18, 2015 0:18:07 GMT -5
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Feb 18, 2015 0:51:37 GMT -5
If it means the parent(s) getting their child into a secure facility for long-term treatment if necessary, then that's what the parent(s) should be doing. This kid had issues the parents were aware apparently aware of.
The also still kept weapons in their home. Who is responsible, you ask? It's not the school's responsibility - and it shouldn't be mandatory for them to allow him back into the system. The parents (knowing of his condition) have other options for getting this kid his GED and back on the right track into society and a productive future (including more Psychiatric Counseling).
Even if that means online classes, and exams, going into technical training when he (hopefully) graduates, and getting a life-skill that will keep him focused and a productive member of society - before he becomes a burden on society as an inmate.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2015 1:01:18 GMT -5
If it means the parent(s) getting their child into a secure facility for long-term treatment if necessary, then that's what the parent(s) should be doing. This kid had issues the parents were aware apparently aware of.
The also still kept weapons in their home. Who is responsible, you ask? It's not the school's responsibility - and it shouldn't be mandatory for them to allow him back into the system. The parents (knowing of his condition) have other options for getting this kid his GED and back on the right track into society and a productive future (including more Psychiatric Counseling).
Even if that means online classes, and exams, going into technical training when he (hopefully) graduates, and getting a life-skill that will keep him focused and a productive member of society - before he becomes a burden on society as an inmate. I read somewhere this boy has already failed an online course, so that may, or may not be an option. I don't have time tonight to find the article I read about the online course(s) in tonight, but I'll see if I can do so tomorrow. |
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 18, 2015 1:09:02 GMT -5
... If it means the parent(s) getting their child into a secure facility for long-term treatment if necessary, then that's what the parent(s) should be doing. They should be doing what is necessary, necessary based on what? They have a professional opinion on what is necessary. Should they follow that? |
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Post by Shooby on Feb 18, 2015 6:43:43 GMT -5
... A public school setting is not the right answer. From the link in the OP: Along with mood-stabilizing medication to treat bipolar disorder, psychiatrists prescribed Spencer something else: social interaction, specifically at school. It's not the job of my child to be his therapy. |
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Post by Shooby on Feb 18, 2015 6:44:21 GMT -5
Disturbed people do disturbing things. |
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Post by Shooby on Feb 18, 2015 6:45:23 GMT -5
... I'd just minimize the risk to the defenseless if I could.... The trick is figuring out exactly how to do that. Does isolating this kid do that? Enroll the kid, require that parent deliver him directly to the office each day, pat down for weapons, parent picks him up at the end of the day. And, then the parents file a lawsuit for treating their kid "different" by patting him down every day. Uh huh. |
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Post by Shooby on Feb 18, 2015 6:48:59 GMT -5
That schools shouldn't be sitting ducks. And, more armed security is needed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 6:53:43 GMT -5
Disturbed people do disturbing things. I know... Wait, this isn't the Shades of Grey thread... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 7:02:33 GMT -5
I'd like to know which meds they had him on when that happened. I'd like to know what interrogation methods resulted in the dual confessions.
So at 14, under the power of antidepressants and adhd meds being administered with no form of talk therapy, and apparently o special education, the kid made an error which labels him for life? Seriously?
Hes had two years of intensive intervention. He's still only 16.
i can't see anywhere in the OP article where he is the lost cause you all are labeling him.
i also don't see how they area use turning him away. He has the right to a free and appropriate education... They have to offer an acceptable alternative... ?
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Post by resolution on Feb 18, 2015 7:37:59 GMT -5
So he brings the guns to school, does his therapy, parents move him across the state to a new school, and he threatens a girl over facebook in his new school that he is going to blow it up. How is this one error? If he is making new threats to the new school, then he just blew his second chance.
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