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Post by bean29 on Feb 3, 2015 11:38:51 GMT -5
What are the consequences of HPV? My understanding the most serious consequence of not getting the HPV Vaccine is on the recipient (ie. if you don't get it and you acquire the HPV virus, you will probably develop Cervical Cancer). So, no, this is not a vaccine I think should keep you from attending school. Also this one is new and most of the adult population carries this virus. If you have your daughter get this you are protecting her from possibly acquiring venereal warts or cervical cancer. Statistically the chances of your partner in a committed relationship having an affair are pretty high. My daughter was vaccinated when the vaccine first became available. My kids also were early recipients of the Chicken Pox Vaccine.
I do think some vaccines should be required unless there is a medical reason (possibly allow a religious avoidance but not sure). I know people who can not get vaccines b/c of adverse reaction - there is nothing we can do about that but protect them with the herd immunity). I have done a lot of reading on the autism link to vaccines and I think it does not exist. If you have an autistic child who was vaccinated and you choose not to vaccinate the second should that be OK, well maybe but I think you should research it well (like there was some research that said if you just delayed the schedule that might reduce the risk) and if some are more risky than others, at least do some.
If you choose not to vaccinate should your local school be able to say you can't attend? I would lean to yes (again unless you are part of the group the herd needs to protect due to medical necessity).
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Post by justme on Feb 3, 2015 11:39:50 GMT -5
I believe they have started recommending for boys. I got it when it first came out, my mom marched my butt down there the second our insurance deemed it covered fully.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 11:40:27 GMT -5
They are vac boys for HPV.
I made it part of our curriculum goals for the kids to research and make their own decisions on HPV. It should be an all encompassing unit of study...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 11:41:59 GMT -5
HPV isn't just cervical cancer. If it was, I'd probably advocate passing. But a lot of throat and mouth cancers apparent on the rise from HPV as well...
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Post by swamp on Feb 3, 2015 11:56:38 GMT -5
I also have not read the whole thread, but lets use a little common sense. I think from what I know about Shingles it affects you personally and is not so contagious. The shingles vaccine is only about 30% effective from what I remember, but I know numerous people that have had shingles including my Mother. Mom said it was just awful. Mom is also pretty much a health nut and doesn't get flu shots. She did get the Pneumonia one, I asked her if she never had to suffer from shingles again or had a 30% chance of not suffering that again did she want to take it. She told me I was right and she should get the vaccine. But you not having a flu shot mheh, well it depends on how much contact you have with the general public. DH had a client who lost a child due to one of the flu's that went around a few years ago. I told him he did not want his agency shut down and he did not want to be the one to give a virus to someone that lost a family member to something like that and he went and got the flu shot last year. We all missed this year's flu shot (we already had symptoms when I was going to mobilize the family).
My kids have all the childhood vaccines including all that are considered important (MMR, Polio, Chicken Pox, tetanus, Gardisol Whooping Cough, Meningitis and Chicken pox come to mind) I think my DS had Whooping Cough in High School despite being vaccinated and DD had Chicken Pox last year despite being vaccinated.
My understanding is the real danger with a large segment of the population not getting vaccinated is that these diseases which are largely conquered might mutate and we would no longer have effective vaccines and a large section of the population immune to them.
I don't think it is a big deal if you choose not to get a flu shot (unless it is a strain that is so bad large numbers of people are dying from it)
I always figured I did not want to live with the guilt of not giving my kids a vaccine and them catching a childhood disease. The statistical risks are pretty miniscule.
that didn't really answer my question....what about HPV? should a child not be allowed to come to school without that vaccine? since HPV is not airborne, I'd say it should not be required.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 12:04:49 GMT -5
Yes. I wasn't thinking it should be mandatory.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 12:11:27 GMT -5
the only ones I think should be mandatory are polio, MMR, and DTaP...and maybe one of the Hep ones.
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Post by justme on Feb 3, 2015 12:20:46 GMT -5
I'd say anything easily spread in a school environment or has high rates of serious symptoms/whatever.
But I'm one who, as far as I know, is only missing the shingles (too young) and chicken pox (got them at 3 - kinda on purpose thanks mom - vaccine came out when I was 8).
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 3, 2015 12:28:16 GMT -5
Mom had 3 of us down with chicken pox at the same time. I was about 8 months old and basically slept though the entire thing. DH got them in like 6th grade. Since his experience was worse than mine, his feelings FOR the chicken pox vaccine was stronger than my lack of feeling for it.
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Post by bean29 on Feb 3, 2015 12:32:50 GMT -5
that didn't really answer my question....what about HPV? should a child not be allowed to come to school without that vaccine? Are they now vaccinating the boys on this one? If not, then what, 50% of the school isn't vaccinated anyway? And what are the ages for this one - first stage at 10 or something? Mine are 5 an d 6.5 so we haven't gotten to this one. And I have questions on it because it didn't have the best PR when they first started giving them. I know a couple of parents who had their daughters get the 1st and/or 2nd part but not the 3rd. So it's one that I need to do more research on. Beth, DD first got it when she was 11 or 12. she is 17 now. It is quite painful to get this shot (but my kid refused to get it in her butt, she had it in her arm), but well worth it in mho. The state said she had the full series (3?) DD and I swore she missed one of the 3. I finally got her OBGY to give her another one - I told them I would pay for it if I needed to.
My DS is 21, I think they just started recommending it for boys in the last year or so. I would support him getting it, but it is up to him.
I think that 3rd Gardisol shot is pretty important. My Doctors have been unwaiveringly positive about vaccinating. Ask your OBGYN what they think...I bet they say vaccinate for HPV.
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Post by justme on Feb 3, 2015 12:46:52 GMT -5
Mom had 3 of us down with chicken pox at the same time. I was about 8 months old and basically slept though the entire thing. DH got them in like 6th grade. Since his experience was worse than mine, his feelings FOR the chicken pox vaccine was stronger than my lack of feeling for it. My brother got it from school and my mom purposefully didn't keep us apart so she could deal with it once. She's never said how hard she tried though. I dunno if we were sharing lollipops or something. Lol
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 3, 2015 12:54:15 GMT -5
Mom had 3 of us down with chicken pox at the same time. I was about 8 months old and basically slept though the entire thing. DH got them in like 6th grade. Since his experience was worse than mine, his feelings FOR the chicken pox vaccine was stronger than my lack of feeling for it. My brother got it from school and my mom purposefully didn't keep us apart so she could deal with it once. She's never said how hard she tried though. I dunno if we were sharing lollipops or something. Lol That's pretty much how it was handled when I was a kid in the 70s and early 80s - someone would have chicken pox and the moms would count backwards to figure out if you'd been exposed. The younger you were, the more they hoped you had been, so you'd have a lighter case and then be done with it.
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Post by 973beachbum on Feb 3, 2015 13:05:55 GMT -5
This is the CDC so they are part of the conspiracy but I thought this was interesting www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/thimerosal_timeline.htmlBesides the flu vaccination thermisol was removed from vaccinations in the United States in 2001. So if your claim is you won't get vaccinated today because of thermisol it's a non-argument. You've had 14 years in which to get vaccinated safely. I am not a scientist but common sense would tell me that if it was the thermisol causing the rise in autism then the gradual lowering of it in the vaccines and eventual removing of it would have caused the rates of autism to go down. That is how that should have worked, right? So what does it mean that the rates of autism kept going up after the thermisol was removed? I hope everyone knows I was speaking rhetorically.
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Post by swamp on Feb 3, 2015 13:12:11 GMT -5
This is the CDC so they are part of the conspiracy but I thought this was interesting www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/thimerosal_timeline.htmlBesides the flu vaccination thermisol was removed from vaccinations in the United States in 2001. So if your claim is you won't get vaccinated today because of thermisol it's a non-argument. You've had 14 years in which to get vaccinated safely. I am not a scientist but common sense would tell me that if it was the thermisol causing the rise in autism then the gradual lowering of it in the vaccines and eventual removing of it would have caused the rates of autism to go down. That is how that should have worked, right? So what does it mean that the rates of autism kept going up after the thermisol was removed? I hope everyone knows I was speaking rhetorically. It means that vaccines don't cause autism.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 3, 2015 13:13:15 GMT -5
This is the CDC so they are part of the conspiracy but I thought this was interesting www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/thimerosal_timeline.htmlBesides the flu vaccination thermisol was removed from vaccinations in the United States in 2001. So if your claim is you won't get vaccinated today because of thermisol it's a non-argument. You've had 14 years in which to get vaccinated safely. I am not a scientist but common sense would tell me that if it was the thermisol causing the rise in autism then the gradual lowering of it in the vaccines and eventual removing of it would have caused the rates of autism to go down. That is how that should have worked, right? So what does it mean that the rates of autism kept going up after the thermisol was removed? I hope everyone knows I was speaking rhetorically. It would make sense, but apparently not in the brains of some. The one thing you need to be very careful of is that correlation does not equal causation and this is a perfect example of this. Children were getting an increased number of vaccinations and they contained thimerosal. Therefore, with the increasing cases of autism, it MUST be caused by the thimerosal.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 3, 2015 16:05:44 GMT -5
Much like Alzheimer's disease, I would imagine autism has been around for a very, very long time. Medically, we just did not understand that much about it let alone have a name for it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 3, 2015 16:17:02 GMT -5
I've read Temple Gradin's autobiography and she said for a very long time autism was considered to be the fault of your mother.
"Refrigerator Moms" was the term for it, you weren't brought up by a loving caring mother and that's why you were the way you were.
She said it was an uphill battle for her mother to gain access to proper assistance and was rather radical in her thinking that she believed Temple was born with autism rather than "conditioned" to behave that way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 16:24:41 GMT -5
I've been reading some on the geek gene theory of autism... Interesting.
I'm pretty sure it's going to turn out to be a cumulative thing with a variety of factors.
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Post by swamp on Feb 3, 2015 16:25:38 GMT -5
I've read Temple Gradin's autobiography and she said for a very long time autism was considered to be the fault of your mother.
"Refrigerator Moms" was the term for it, you weren't brought up by a loving caring mother and that's why you were the way you were.
She said it was an uphill battle for her mother to gain access to proper assistance and was rather radical in her thinking that she believed Temple was born with autism rather than "conditioned" to behave that way.
. I thought Refridgerator moms caused Schizophrenia?
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Post by swamp on Feb 3, 2015 16:26:51 GMT -5
I've been reading some on the geek gene theory of autism... Interesting. I'm pretty sure it's going to turn out to be a cumulative thing with a variety of factors. I think that geeks previously did not breed as they were confined to their mother's basement. Now because of the interwebz, they are meeting other geeks, breeding, and having little autistic geeks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 16:29:39 GMT -5
Exactly. Not only that but geek is cool. And not just do they breed, they breed with each other
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 3, 2015 17:47:40 GMT -5
I've read Temple Gradin's autobiography and she said for a very long time autism was considered to be the fault of your mother.
"Refrigerator Moms" was the term for it, you weren't brought up by a loving caring mother and that's why you were the way you were.
She said it was an uphill battle for her mother to gain access to proper assistance and was rather radical in her thinking that she believed Temple was born with autism rather than "conditioned" to behave that way.
. I thought Refridgerator moms caused Schizophrenia? Nonsense. Demons cause schizophrenia.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 17:48:52 GMT -5
Was that for me?
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 3, 2015 18:14:34 GMT -5
I am not a scientist but common sense would tell me that if it was the thermisol causing the rise in autism then the gradual lowering of it in the vaccines and eventual removing of it would have caused the rates of autism to go down. That is how that should have worked, right? So what does it mean that the rates of autism kept going up after the thermisol was removed? I hope everyone knows I was speaking rhetorically. It means that vaccines don't cause autism. but, but, but... you HAVE to be wrong. Jenny McCarthy says so and you were never on BH 90210 and she was so she just HAS to be correct
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Post by The Captain on Feb 3, 2015 18:17:06 GMT -5
Was that for me? Ummm - let's see... 1. Met DH over the interweb - check 2. Wears corrective lenses - check 3. In a STEM field - check (not sure if this is a good test or not) 4. Into Science Fiction and comic books at an early age - check 5. Can recite half the dialogue to the original three Star Wars movies - check 6. Celebrates PI day every year - check If you can say yes to at least 4 out of the above 6 I'd say it was for both of us!
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 3, 2015 18:24:14 GMT -5
Was that for me? Ummm - let's see... 1. Met DH over the interweb - check 2. Wears corrective lenses - check 3. In a STEM field - check (not sure if this is a good test or not) 4. Into Science Fiction and comic books at an early age - check 5. Can recite half the dialogue to the original three Star Wars movies - check 6. Celebrates PI day every year - check If you can say yes to at least 4 out of the above 6 I'd say it was for both of us!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 18:24:51 GMT -5
Star Wars day is a holiday here. And I just put pi day on meet up ... It's actually an interesting theory ...
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Post by justme on Feb 4, 2015 9:58:44 GMT -5
Oh for crying out loud! Sil just posted an article the relies on a cardiologist saying that the reason a little girl got leukemia is very likely vaccines and the fact that she's immuno comprised because of cancer treatment is no reason to get his kids vaccinated. And something like 60 supposed studies that support the vaccine/cancer link.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 4, 2015 10:09:23 GMT -5
Much like Alzheimer's disease, I would imagine autism has been around for a very, very long time. Medically, we just did not understand that much about it let alone have a name for it. I suspect that living longer = seeing more people with Alzheimer's AND seeing more of them in the later (and more painful) stages. Since I have Laura Ingalls on the brain lately, I am also assuming that if someone in a confused state wandered away from the house, they died most of the time. The resources didn't exist to do a whole lot of search and/or rescue. And I don't have a clue how much/hard people would actually look for them. I'm assuming/guessing that in some cases, they didn't look too hard.
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