NomoreDramaQ1015
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 14:26:32 GMT -5
Posts: 47,332
|
Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 2, 2015 14:29:34 GMT -5
By law drug manufactures have to disclose ALL side effects discovered in a clinical study, no matter how bizarre they may seem.
The odds of you experiencing that side effect could be astronomically low compared to the population at large but since somebody in the study experienced it changes are someone in the general population may as well.
This was done after incidents like "flipper babies" in the 1950s. The drug company did not disclose they knew the drug had side effects because they didn't want to cut into their new market targeting pregnant women with morning sickness.
After that the government stepped in and made it law that all potential side effects have to be public information.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,615
|
Post by Tennesseer on Feb 2, 2015 14:29:48 GMT -5
9) If vaccines are so trustworthy, then why did a pro-vaccine group in Africa recently discover -- to its shock and horror -- that vaccines being given to young African women were secretly laced with abortion chemicals?
- Again snopes www.snopes.com/medical/disease/tetanus.asp
My head hurts with that claim about abortion chemicals. As does the ignorance and politics in Pakistan. Polio Crisis Deepens in Pakistan, With New Cases and KillingsNovember 26, 2014 LONDON — Pakistan’s polio crisis has reached new depths this year, health officials say, intensified by a deadly mix of ruthless militant violence, large-scale refugee displacement and political chaos that has cemented the country’s role as the central global incubator of a disease that other conflict-torn countries have managed to hold in check. The number of new Pakistani polio cases this year hit 260 this week, four times as many as at the same point last year, making a mockery of promises by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and other politicians from across the spectrum to halt the galloping progress of the disease. Even as domestic vaccination drives and extensive international aid have put huge numbers of anti-polio workers in the field, Pakistan’s militants have seen it as an opportunity to strike at symbols of authority, portraying the workers as agents in a sinister Western plot. On Wednesday, four more health workers were gunned down, bringing the death toll among anti-polio workers to 65 since the first targeted attack in December 2012. The wounded, and three of the dead, were women, whose greater access to private households in conservative rural areas of Pakistan have put them in high demand as health workers. The attackers escaped, and there was no claim of responsibility, although a Taliban splinter group said it had carried out a gun attack near Peshawar on Monday that wounded a polio worker and a student. Polio vaccinations are “dangerous to health and against Islam,” a spokesman for that group, Jamaat-e-Ahrar, said after the attack, echoing longstanding claims that Western countries are using immunization to sterilize Muslim children. Polio Crisis Deepens in Pakistan, With New Cases and Killings
|
|
justme
Senior Associate
Joined: Feb 10, 2012 13:12:47 GMT -5
Posts: 14,618
|
Post by justme on Feb 2, 2015 14:37:18 GMT -5
By law drug manufactures have to disclose ALL side effects discovered in a clinical study, no matter how bizarre they may seem.
The odds of you experiencing that side effect could be astronomically low compared to the population at large but since somebody in the study experienced it changes are someone in the general population may as well.
This was done after incidents like "flipper babies" in the 1950s. The drug company did not disclose they knew the drug had side effects because they didn't want to cut into their new market targeting pregnant women with morning sickness.
After that the government stepped in and made it law that all potential side effects have to be public information. And isn't also no matter whether they had anything to do with it? Like say I get migraines once a week and I happen to get a migraine the day I get a shot. I then have to report the migraine as a side effect.
|
|
NomoreDramaQ1015
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 14:26:32 GMT -5
Posts: 47,332
|
Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 2, 2015 14:39:28 GMT -5
And isn't also no matter whether they had anything to do with it? Like say I get migraines once a week and I happen to get a migraine the day I get a shot. I then have to report the migraine as a side effect.
Yep because there is no way to prove it's not a result of the medication.
|
|
weltschmerz
Community Leader
Joined: Jul 25, 2011 13:37:39 GMT -5
Posts: 38,962
|
Post by weltschmerz on Feb 2, 2015 14:40:41 GMT -5
:::sigh:::
So, when groups in Africa were attacking Ebola workers because "They aren't here to help, but to steal our blood!", you believe that, too?
|
|
kittensaver
Junior Associate
We cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. - Mother Teresa
Joined: Nov 22, 2011 16:16:36 GMT -5
Posts: 7,983
|
Post by kittensaver on Feb 2, 2015 14:54:32 GMT -5
Heretic! There shall be none of your kind in this thread! You threaten the immunity of the herd. Hey - I actually don't have a dog in this immediate hunt. My girls were grown and gone before these debates got started. My "beef" with all of this is not the vaccines themselves (well, it is for me personally, I have MCS and *all kinds* of health issues with synthetic chemicals and heavy metals *cough* mercury *cough*), it is more around why each side gets so hysterical and derisive and won't take the time to listen to the other side. I also have an issue with doctors who are taught to persuade, not educate. That is completely counter to the work of an ethical doctor. I also see huge red flags when *any* individual or organization - particularly those with large amounts of institutional power - actively suppress anyone who questions the norm. JMHO.
|
|
NomoreDramaQ1015
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 14:26:32 GMT -5
Posts: 47,332
|
Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 2, 2015 15:03:13 GMT -5
particularly those with large amounts of institutional power - actively suppress anyone who questions the norm. JMHO.
Nobody is suppressing anything. There is a ton of legitimate research going on when it comes to vaccines. Peer reviewed, reproducible research in respectable journals. You have to report all your findings, including ones that go against your target objective.
Then there is the internet. Where anyone with a keyboard and access to GoDaddy can publish what they please.
The internet has also given rise to thousands of online "journals" that are really scams that will publish any shady research for a few dollars. They are so good at scamming they often fool even experienced PIs like my own who have decades of knowledge. There is a college librarian working on a database where you can plug in journal names to see if it's legit.
I'm all for questions, I'm a freaking scientist. But there are questions and then there are "questions".
The hard part is telling the difference between the two. You also have to be able to tell the difference between research and "research".
If some doctor tells me I shouldn't vaccinate my kids and instead do the paleo diet he better have an assload of peer reviewed data to back his claims up. Otherwise yes I am going to dismiss him. That also goes for Jenny McCarthy, Suzanna Somers, Dr. Oz, Dr. Sears, or a random blog writer on the web.
It also applies to anyone I work with. If you want to make claims that ago against 25+ years of research you better have enough research to blow it to smithereens and somebody else better be able to copy/verify your results.
There is never going to be 100% proof because you can't 100% prove anything. There will always be a stack of data for and a stack of data against. It's which one is higher and of better quality, more substantiated. IN this case it's for vaccinations.
Could that change? Yes. Is it enough for me personally to risk my child or agree with the people in Omaha spreading the measles around like crazy? No.
You're opinion might be different and you're free to it.
A quick PubMed scan for "vaccinations" brings up 6,218 pages worth of papers. That's ONE database I searched. I would say that's a lot of "questioning" wouldn't you?
|
|
justme
Senior Associate
Joined: Feb 10, 2012 13:12:47 GMT -5
Posts: 14,618
|
Post by justme on Feb 2, 2015 15:07:43 GMT -5
They've taken out thermisol from most vaccines over outcry even though no study proved it was harmful.
Sodium sure is harmful if ingested. Chloride too. There's no out cries for people with young children to remove all sodium chloride from the home.
Also there's an article out there along the lines of you ingest more mercury from food than what was in vaccines and both are small enough that the body can quickly get rid of it.
|
|
NancysSummerSip
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 19:19:42 GMT -5
Posts: 36,377
Today's Mood: Full of piss and vinegar
Favorite Drink: Anything with ice
|
Post by NancysSummerSip on Feb 2, 2015 15:08:54 GMT -5
I have tried for 2 years to get DD a shingles shot. The pharmacies will give it if the docs will write a prescription. They keep saying its expensive and medicare won't pay for it till she is over 62 or so, she is disabled and has medicare and Medicaid. I don't care if they will pay, we will, my mom had shingles and it was awful, it was on her back and I had to put medication on her for quite a long time, she was in terrible pain. DD does not want to get it and I don't want her to either. Is there some other reason they won't let someone like her have it? She will be 45 in March. Pat - I asked my doctor about the shingles vaccine and she advised me to wait until I'm in my early 50's at least (I'm willing to pay out of pocket) because apparently they don't have a booster for it yet and they are not sure exactly for how long the vaccine will provide protection. I'm a few years older than your DD. Speaking of the shingles vaccine...I headbutted up against one of the stupider insurance rules today. If my doctor gives me the vaccine, insurance covers it. If I get it anywhere else, I pay (I'm not on Medicare yet). My doctor absolutely will not carry the vaccine, because it's a live virus and he does not want to keep it in his office. His nurse tells me that with so many places offering it, the live virus vaccine would go bad in their office before they could administer enough of it to make it worthwhile. That part makes sense. What doesn't make sense is my insurance company drawing that particular line in the sand. It's the same damned shot. I've received a flu shot at my doctor's office and the drug store, and insurance has paid either way. So why not the shingles shot? I have the money; that's not the point. Wouldn't treating me for shingles be more expensive over my lifetime that just paying for the shot?
|
|
NomoreDramaQ1015
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 14:26:32 GMT -5
Posts: 47,332
|
Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 2, 2015 15:11:05 GMT -5
They've taken out thermisol from most vaccines over outcry even though no study proved it was harmful.I was reading a book and it mentioned that the hysteria over this has hurt other countries like Africa. Single use vaccinations are insanely expensive and also require very precise storage conditions in order to remain viable. Countries like Africa can't afford one dose vaccinations and don't have access to proper facilities to store them. It goes back to the elitist thing that Anne mentioned. We are so above having to worry about these things that we can demand that thermisol be removed from all vaccinations. Any country/person who can't afford the one dose vaccines clearly isn't worth saving. Here's the book that information came from it anyone is interested. www.amazon.com/On-Immunity-Eula-Biss/dp/1622314972
|
|
kittensaver
Junior Associate
We cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. - Mother Teresa
Joined: Nov 22, 2011 16:16:36 GMT -5
Posts: 7,983
|
Post by kittensaver on Feb 2, 2015 15:12:33 GMT -5
You're opinion might be different and you're free to it.
Thank you so much for saying this. THIS is the part that I don't see enough of. (sorry for the dangling participle, lol)
There ARE legitimate concerns out there, even the CDC, other private and government agencies, research, the enclosure pamphlets etc etc etc say so. People are getting *hysterical* and saying those who don't choose to vaccinate should be thrown in jail. Really?
Some people have very legitimate health reasons for not vaccinating - I'm one of them. I am medically counter-indicated for most (if not all) vaccines - by the very same organizations that push vaccines so hard. Why you do (the Big You, not anyone here in particular) get to call me names, threaten me, call me a menace, say I should be thrown in jail, etc . . . without even knowing (or caring) about my circumstances. *smh*
I just think this whole think is divisive and damaging - the very opposite of what medicine is supposed to be about (another dangling participle - lol and sorry).
|
|
kittensaver
Junior Associate
We cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. - Mother Teresa
Joined: Nov 22, 2011 16:16:36 GMT -5
Posts: 7,983
|
Post by kittensaver on Feb 2, 2015 15:18:14 GMT -5
They've taken out thermisol from most vaccines over outcry even though no study proved it was harmful. Thermisol is mercury. Mercury is a heavy metal. The human body has no use or need for mercury. It is poison to the human body. It exists as a preservative, period.
For people like me with MCS, the issue is not "the tiny dose," the issue is cumulative burden/cumulative load in the body. It is the accumulation of "tiny doses" of the 80,000+ (or so) chemicals out there in the now-everyday world that did not exist prior to WW II.
And some of us suffer mightily because of them. JMHO. YMMV.
|
|
NomoreDramaQ1015
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 14:26:32 GMT -5
Posts: 47,332
|
Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 2, 2015 15:18:32 GMT -5
I'm fine with actual medical reasons for not needing vaccinated. In fact part of my fierce opposition to the anti-vaccination movement is these people. Us being vaccinated protects those that cannot be or are too young to be vaccinated.
My husband, Gwen and myself being vaccinated against whooping cough protects Abby, for example. It doesn't mean Abby can't contract it ever ever, but if those immediately surrounding her are protected it lowers her chances significantly.
However the majority of people who are on the anti-vaccination bandwagon are not on it because they cannot immunize themselves or their children. And so far, outside of this board at least, I haven't encountered many that have an actual understanding of how research works and what constitutes "evidence".
Jenny McCarthy does not count as evidence. A blog selling it's own pills as a cure for disease instead of those evil vaccinations is not evidence.
|
|
swamp
Community Leader
Don't be a fool. Call me!
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 16:03:22 GMT -5
Posts: 45,345
|
Post by swamp on Feb 2, 2015 15:20:13 GMT -5
You're opinion might be different and you're free to it.
Thank you so much for saying this. THIS is the part that I don't see enough of. (sorry for the dangling participle, lol)
There ARE legitimate concerns out there, even the CDC, other private and government agencies, research, the enclosure pamphlets etc etc etc say so. People are getting *hysterical* and saying those who don't choose to vaccinate should be thrown in jail. Really?
Some people have very legitimate health reasons for not vaccinating - I'm one of them. I am medically counter-indicated for most (if not all) vaccines - by the very same organizations that push vaccines so hard. Why you do (the Big You, not anyone here in particular) get to call me names, threaten me, call me a menace, say I should be thrown in jail, etc . . . without even knowing (or caring) about my circumstances. *smh*
I just think this whole think is divisive and damaging - the very opposite of what medicine is supposed to be about (another dangling participle - lol and sorry).
You can't be vaccinated for medical reasons. I don't think anyone wants to force vaccinations on those that cannot be vaccinated for whatever reason. Anyone who choses not to vaccinate their children who can otherwise be vaccinated is a selfish jerk. But I wouldn't go as far as throwing them in jail.
|
|
justme
Senior Associate
Joined: Feb 10, 2012 13:12:47 GMT -5
Posts: 14,618
|
Post by justme on Feb 2, 2015 15:22:58 GMT -5
They've taken out thermisol from most vaccines over outcry even though no study proved it was harmful. Thermisol is mercury. Mercury is a heavy metal. The human body has no use or need for mercury. It is poison to the human body. It exists as a preservative, period.
For people like me with MCS, the issue is not "the tiny dose," the issue is cumulative burden/cumulative load in the body. It is the accumulation of "tiny doses" of the 80,000+ (or so) chemicals out there in the now-everyday world that did not exist prior to WW II.
And some of us suffer mightily because of them. JMHO. YMMV.
I realize some people have medical reasons not to take them, which is all the more reason for everyone else to take it. But thiomersal CONTAINS mercury, mercury is one of the ingredients not the only one.
|
|
Angel!
Senior Associate
Politics Admin
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 11:44:08 GMT -5
Posts: 10,722
|
Post by Angel! on Feb 2, 2015 15:26:01 GMT -5
I'm fine with actual medical reasons for not needing vaccinated. In fact part of my fierce opposition to the anti-vaccination movement is these people. Us being vaccinated protects those that cannot be or are too young to be vaccinated. Most people that do not vaccinate aren't making that choice for medical reasons. Unfortunately that puts others at risk.
I remember how angry I was when DS2 was only a week old & DS1's school had a chicken pox outbreak. DS2 wasn't old enough to be vaccinated & now he was at risk (a low risk) because others opted not to vaccinate their children. Now DS2's school is having a whooping cough problem, which I am less concerned about because he is vaccinated, but it is still ridiculous.
|
|
kittensaver
Junior Associate
We cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. - Mother Teresa
Joined: Nov 22, 2011 16:16:36 GMT -5
Posts: 7,983
|
Post by kittensaver on Feb 2, 2015 15:26:06 GMT -5
I realize some people have medical reasons not to take them, which is all the more reason for everyone else to take it.
But thiomersal CONTAINS mercury, mercury is one of the ingredients not the only one.
================
But my point still stands. I "get" the concept that "the dose makes the poison." And for some of us, the dose (unfortunately) IS the poison. YMMV, and probably does, because you do not have my medical issues.
|
|
weltschmerz
Community Leader
Joined: Jul 25, 2011 13:37:39 GMT -5
Posts: 38,962
|
Post by weltschmerz on Feb 2, 2015 15:27:35 GMT -5
They've taken out thermisol from most vaccines over outcry even though no study proved it was harmful. Thermisol is mercury. Mercury is a heavy metal. The human body has no use or need for mercury. It is poison to the human body. It exists as a preservative, period.
For people like me with MCS, the issue is not "the tiny dose," the issue is cumulative burden/cumulative load in the body. It is the accumulation of "tiny doses" of the 80,000+ (or so) chemicals out there in the now-everyday world that did not exist prior to WW II.
And some of us suffer mightily because of them. JMHO. YMMV.
There's no such thing as MCS. It's not a recognized disorder. In studies, patients reacted just as violently to placebos.
I read it on the internet, so it must be true.
|
|
kittensaver
Junior Associate
We cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. - Mother Teresa
Joined: Nov 22, 2011 16:16:36 GMT -5
Posts: 7,983
|
Post by kittensaver on Feb 2, 2015 15:29:19 GMT -5
Thermisol is mercury. Mercury is a heavy metal. The human body has no use or need for mercury. It is poison to the human body. It exists as a preservative, period.
For people like me with MCS, the issue is not "the tiny dose," the issue is cumulative burden/cumulative load in the body. It is the accumulation of "tiny doses" of the 80,000+ (or so) chemicals out there in the now-everyday world that did not exist prior to WW II.
And some of us suffer mightily because of them. JMHO. YMMV.
There's no such thing as MCS. It's not a recognized disorder. In studies, patients reacted just as violently to placebos.
I read it on the internet, so it must be true.
Tell that to my Environmental Medicine doctor - an real, live licensed MD approved by the AMA.
However, as always - YMMV.
|
|
swamp
Community Leader
Don't be a fool. Call me!
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 16:03:22 GMT -5
Posts: 45,345
|
Post by swamp on Feb 2, 2015 15:29:39 GMT -5
I realize some people have medical reasons not to take them, which is all the more reason for everyone else to take it.
But thiomersal CONTAINS mercury, mercury is one of the ingredients not the only one.
================
But my point still stands. I "get" the concept that "the dose makes the poison." And for some of us, the dose (unfortunately) IS the poison. YMMV, and probably does, because you do not have my medical issues. You are different. You have a reason. Most people don't.
DH is allergic to bees. To him, a bee sting is poison. To me, it's a nuisance.
|
|
weltschmerz
Community Leader
Joined: Jul 25, 2011 13:37:39 GMT -5
Posts: 38,962
|
Post by weltschmerz on Feb 2, 2015 15:30:15 GMT -5
Is MCS a real disorder?
MCS is controversial. Many recognized medical groups and societies—including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Medical Association and the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology—do not consider MCS as a distinct physical disorder. There are several reasons for this.
First, there is a lack of clinical research evidence to support a physical cause for the symptoms. In addition, people with MCS do not develop antibodies in response to chemical exposure, as is the case with an immune system, or allergic, reaction. Further, patients with MCS also have high rates of mental health disorders, including depression, anxiety and somatoform disorders (mental disorders that are expressed through physical symptoms). About 50 percent of people with MCS meet the criteria for depression and/or anxiety disorders. Much of the controversy, then, centers on whether the symptoms associated with MCS are caused by physical or psychological factors.
my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases_conditions/hic_Multiple_Chemical_Sensitivity_Fact_or_Fiction
|
|
NomoreDramaQ1015
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 14:26:32 GMT -5
Posts: 47,332
|
Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 2, 2015 15:30:44 GMT -5
I remember how angry I was when DS2 was only a week old & DS1's school had a chicken pox outbreak. DS2 wasn't old enough to be vaccinated & now he was at risk (a low risk) because others opted not to vaccinate their children
I'm terrified of the measles. You don't get the MMR till you are one and Abby still has 6 more months to go.
I don't have to worry about daycare because there are no exceptions unless it's a proven medical reason. Same for the public schools in Iowa.
But I do worry about everywhere else. We're all vaccinated so hopefully we won't be carrying it home.
The news is being really good about keeping everyone updated on where the exposed people have been so we can avoid those places. The Children's Museum is now off limits till Abby is vaccinated.
|
|
kittensaver
Junior Associate
We cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. - Mother Teresa
Joined: Nov 22, 2011 16:16:36 GMT -5
Posts: 7,983
|
Post by kittensaver on Feb 2, 2015 15:32:40 GMT -5
I realize some people have medical reasons not to take them, which is all the more reason for everyone else to take it.
But thiomersal CONTAINS mercury, mercury is one of the ingredients not the only one.
================
But my point still stands. I "get" the concept that "the dose makes the poison." And for some of us, the dose (unfortunately) IS the poison. YMMV, and probably does, because you do not have my medical issues. You are different. You have a reason. Most people don't.
DH is allergic to bees. To him, a bee sting is poison. To me, it's a nuisance.
Thank You.
This was really my only point - for me. "The hysteria" - on both sides! - pushes people into positions where blanket statements are made that hurt folks like me. Sorry to be a pain - but I think it's important to point out. Hysteria hurts for many reasons.
|
|
weltschmerz
Community Leader
Joined: Jul 25, 2011 13:37:39 GMT -5
Posts: 38,962
|
Post by weltschmerz on Feb 2, 2015 15:34:23 GMT -5
There's no such thing as MCS. It's not a recognized disorder. In studies, patients reacted just as violently to placebos.
I read it on the internet, so it must be true.
Tell that to my Environmental Medicine doctor - an real, live licensed MD approved by the AMA.
However, as always - YMMV.
Well, MY doctor is a strong advocate of vaccinations, including Gardasil. Therefore, it's a good thing.
See how that works?
|
|
Angel!
Senior Associate
Politics Admin
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 11:44:08 GMT -5
Posts: 10,722
|
Post by Angel! on Feb 2, 2015 15:36:46 GMT -5
I realize some people have medical reasons not to take them, which is all the more reason for everyone else to take it.
But thiomersal CONTAINS mercury, mercury is one of the ingredients not the only one.
================
But my point still stands. I "get" the concept that "the dose makes the poison." And for some of us, the dose (unfortunately) IS the poison. YMMV, and probably does, because you do not have my medical issues. But, other than the multi-use flu vaccine, no vaccines still contain thimerosal. So the whole thimerosal argument is sort of a moot point.
|
|
kittensaver
Junior Associate
We cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. - Mother Teresa
Joined: Nov 22, 2011 16:16:36 GMT -5
Posts: 7,983
|
Post by kittensaver on Feb 2, 2015 15:37:51 GMT -5
Is MCS a real disorder?
MCS is controversial. Many recognized medical groups and societies—including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Medical Association and the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology—do not consider MCS as a distinct physical disorder. There are several reasons for this.
First, there is a lack of clinical research evidence to support a physical cause for the symptoms. In addition, people with MCS do not develop antibodies in response to chemical exposure, as is the case with an immune system, or allergic, reaction. Further, patients with MCS also have high rates of mental health disorders, including depression, anxiety and somatoform disorders (mental disorders that are expressed through physical symptoms). About 50 percent of people with MCS meet the criteria for depression and/or anxiety disorders. Much of the controversy, then, centers on whether the symptoms associated with MCS are caused by physical or psychological factors.
my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases_conditions/hic_Multiple_Chemical_Sensitivity_Fact_or_Fiction
Tell that to the licensed doctors who tested me for heavy metal contamination, found my blood levels for lead, mercury and cadmium "off the charts," and corrected my condition with chelation therapy.
These methods - developed by Army physicians between the World Wars and approved as treatment for mainstream medical reimbursement - are "controversial"?
And PS - while the doctors were working on trying to pinpoint a diagnosis for me, I was tested FOUR TIMES - via written and in-person screenings - for depression. I passed every test.
But as always - YMMV.
|
|
weltschmerz
Community Leader
Joined: Jul 25, 2011 13:37:39 GMT -5
Posts: 38,962
|
Post by weltschmerz on Feb 2, 2015 15:38:33 GMT -5
All, I'm saying, kitten, is that you came here blasting vaccinations because of something you read on the internet. It's just like my saying your MCS isn't real because I read it on the internet.
|
|
kittensaver
Junior Associate
We cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. - Mother Teresa
Joined: Nov 22, 2011 16:16:36 GMT -5
Posts: 7,983
|
Post by kittensaver on Feb 2, 2015 15:41:44 GMT -5
All, I'm saying, kitten, is that you came here blasting vaccinations because of something you read on the internet. It's just like my saying your MCS isn't real because I read it on the internet. Well the last time I checked, I didn't come here blasting anything. I just posted a series of questions that seems to point toward Persons With Lots Of Institutional Power Wanting to Suppress Anyone Who Questions Them. I question them too because of my issues. I'm tired of being labeled evil because I don't get vaccinations.
Make of that what you will. I know there are many other people like me out there in the real world. I am just trying to stand up for us and be heard.
|
|
justme
Senior Associate
Joined: Feb 10, 2012 13:12:47 GMT -5
Posts: 14,618
|
Post by justme on Feb 2, 2015 15:50:45 GMT -5
No, the series of questions points to someone who has either done no research or has and is deliberately asking straw man questions.
You can't point out that a vaccine says not to be given to pregnant women, and is not given, then ask how can it be save for pregnant woman!
|
|
NomoreDramaQ1015
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 14:26:32 GMT -5
Posts: 47,332
|
Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 2, 2015 16:06:17 GMT -5
No, the series of questions points to someone who has either done no research or has and is deliberately asking straw man questions. Quite a few of us on this thread were able to answer the questions. A quick PubMed or Google Scholar search could provide numerous articles. I got 6,218 pages worth of articles on PubMed, the answers to all those questions are probably in there somewhere. Heck you could probably find the answers to the majority of them using plain old Google. But sites like that aren't really interested in asking questions and finding answers. I could respond with the exact reason why there are little to no studies on pregnant women and vaccinations and they'd tell me I am part of the government conspiracy. The reason I can't provide any studies is because the government is covering them up. I can't prove what they say isn't true therefore they "win".
|
|