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Post by dondub on Dec 26, 2014 20:34:03 GMT -5
All the right wing nitpicking about Obama's golfing and his trips to Hawaii, where he was born , are simply that and more.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 26, 2014 22:57:48 GMT -5
i have never understood the complaint, personally. when Bush was president, i wanted him to spend every second of his tenure in Crawford.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 23:08:36 GMT -5
i have never understood the complaint, personally. when Bush was president, i wanted him to spend every second of his tenure in Crawford. He still had access to the Veto stamp and/or pens in Crawford... so, I don't see why his location would make a difference if he was "needed for Presidential duties". I don't begrudge any President "time off to recharge", when situations in the country and world allow it. I do begrudge them the money they waste travelling for that time though. An I don't just begrudge it of Obama. I've begrudged it since I first cared to look up how much it cost to get a President from "point A" (the White House, usually), to "Point B", and then back... plus extra expenses while there. That was in 1989 (when I looked it up)... so... since the end of the Reagan Era.
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Post by dondub on Dec 27, 2014 1:03:52 GMT -5
Maybe a sandbox, wave machine, and a plastic palm tree in the White House basement would be more in line with your budgetary restrictions..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 5:58:18 GMT -5
Maybe a sandbox, wave machine, and a plastic palm tree in the White House basement would be more in line with your budgetary restrictions.. Skip the wave machine... replace it with a .wav file played from a computer (they already have computers there).
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 27, 2014 13:08:52 GMT -5
i have never understood the complaint, personally. when Bush was president, i wanted him to spend every second of his tenure in Crawford. He still had access to the Veto stamp and/or pens in Crawford... so, I don't see why his location would make a difference if he was "needed for Presidential duties".. then i understand the vacation obsessed critics of Obama even less.
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Post by mroped on Dec 27, 2014 14:05:54 GMT -5
You don't get gray haired because of vacationing. Nobody does. There are protocols in place for moving and they need to be followed. And just to make matters worse everything that is purchased for the purpose of moving the POTUS around is paid at high standards. If I am not mistaking, the Congress approves the budgets for such things so it all goes back to Congress again. Richard, you wouldn't be able to vacation on your dime because you wouldn't have the money for a lollipop on you. Any president walks around penniless for the time being. All those "vacations" are not always vacations. I remember once when the President was vacationing somewhere in NE that he had met with delegations from Israel and Palestine for a few days. Not every time a president is not in the WH or inaccessibil to people like Boehner is vacationing. If I were the president, I'd stay in the WH taking time off but I'd hang a sign at the entrance: "no woodies, hard-on's or Boehners allowed in!"
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Post by dondub on Dec 27, 2014 14:18:14 GMT -5
DJ,
The vacation critics don't need to be understood they need to be pitied for their pathologies.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 27, 2014 14:29:31 GMT -5
DJ,
The vacation critics don't need to be understood they need to be pitied for their pathologies. i think there is a double standard in the GOP. when Democrats railed against Bush for his brush clearing PR events in Crawford, the GOP decried it as un-American, equating such actions with treason. when the GOP does it, however, it is because they are protecting our freedoms. the hypocrisy is pathological.
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Post by dondub on Dec 27, 2014 14:43:35 GMT -5
True dat!
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Dec 27, 2014 19:07:51 GMT -5
DJ,
The vacation critics don't need to be understood they need to be pitied for their pathologies. i think there is a double standard in the GOP. when Democrats railed against Bush for his brush clearing PR events in Crawford, the GOP decried it as un-American, equating such actions with treason. when the GOP does it, however, it is because they are protecting our freedoms. the hypocrisy is pathological. I think it is probably more the extremes of both parties that are the loudest in complaining about vacations...but I do have to ask if you see the irony in your statement complaining about a GOP double standard while talking about Democrats doing the same thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 19:09:35 GMT -5
You don't get gray haired because of vacationing. Nobody does. There are protocols in place for moving and they need to be followed. And just to make matters worse everything that is purchased for the purpose of moving the POTUS around is paid at high standards. If I am not mistaking, the Congress approves the budgets for such things so it all goes back to Congress again. Richard, you wouldn't be able to vacation on your dime because you wouldn't have the money for a lollipop on you. Any president walks around penniless for the time being.All those "vacations" are not always vacations. I remember once when the President was vacationing somewhere in NE that he had met with delegations from Israel and Palestine for a few days. Not every time a president is not in the WH or inaccessibil to people like Boehner is vacationing. If I were the president, I'd stay in the WH taking time off but I'd hang a sign at the entrance: "no woodies, hard-on's or Boehners allowed in!" Exactly... and did you see where I said I would vacation (since I knew "my dime" wouldn't be available)? I also said I wouldn't exclude legitimate, governmental need travel. Those "State Meetings" were legitimate travel.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 27, 2014 23:44:56 GMT -5
i think there is a double standard in the GOP. when Democrats railed against Bush for his brush clearing PR events in Crawford, the GOP decried it as un-American, equating such actions with treason. when the GOP does it, however, it is because they are protecting our freedoms. the hypocrisy is pathological. I think it is probably more the extremes of both parties that are the loudest in complaining about vacations...but I do have to ask if you see the irony in your statement complaining about a GOP double standard while talking about Democrats doing the same thing. it is not quite the same, but i am sure you will have difficulty acknowledging the difference: i don't recall Democrats questioning the patriotism of Republicans when they did it. now, that MAY BE because Democrats have less appreciation for patriotism than Republicans. personally, i find the tactic of calling anyone a traitor who calls out the president not just tiresome, but utterly loathsome. and i remember it with PAINFUL intensity when i protested the war, my friend. i will never forget it. nor will i forgive it.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Dec 28, 2014 9:15:15 GMT -5
it is not quite the same, but i am sure you will have difficulty acknowledging the difference: I think people on both sides have an issue with arguing that it is somehow different when they argue against the same things.i don't recall Democrats questioning the patriotism of Republicans when they did it. No, I don't recall anybody questioning patriotism under Bush, but there was the same level of questioning of his ability to do the job. There has been questioning of if the criticism toward President Obama is due to racism. I don't really agree with either tactic.now, that MAY BE because Democrats have less appreciation for patriotism than Republicans. personally, i find the tactic of calling anyone a traitor who calls out the president not just tiresome, but utterly loathsome. and i remember it with PAINFUL intensity when i protested the war, my friend. i will never forget it. nor will i forgive it. I remember....didn't like it then either. Both parties fell in line with it at the time. Democrats only really started questioning it when it was politically convenient to do so. My criticisms stay pretty consistent, which is probably why I usually end up being irritated with the party who happens to be charge at the time. I didn't like the "with us or against us" mentality under Bush, and I didn't like the constant barrage or comments that people are against President Obama as much as they are because of racism. The two tactics aren't really different....and in many cases, they people using them may actually believe it, while others are simply using it as a way to discourage disagreement.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 28, 2014 9:54:21 GMT -5
When you think of it, he is probably correct. Then again as President he is working for the man.
Us. America. Wall Street Main street the downtrodden The White House has always been considered the America's house, not the Palace.
So in a sense, he is "the help"
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 28, 2014 13:30:54 GMT -5
it is not quite the same, but i am sure you will have difficulty acknowledging the difference: I think people on both sides have an issue with arguing that it is somehow different when they argue against the same things.i don't recall Democrats questioning the patriotism of Republicans when they did it. No, I don't recall anybody questioning patriotism under Bush,huh? are you serious? from 911 to about 2005, i had my patriotism questioned every week, bro- face to face, in the media, and in popular culture. edit: did you mean under OBAMA? if so, i agree.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 28, 2014 13:34:32 GMT -5
now, that MAY BE because Democrats have less appreciation for patriotism than Republicans. personally, i find the tactic of calling anyone a traitor who calls out the president not just tiresome, but utterly loathsome. and i remember it with PAINFUL intensity when i protested the war, my friend. i will never forget it. nor will i forgive it. I remember....didn't like it then either. Both parties fell in line with it at the time. Democrats only really started questioning it when it was politically convenient to do so. My criticisms stay pretty consistent, which is probably why I usually end up being irritated with the party who happens to be charge at the time. I didn't like the "with us or against us" mentality under Bush, and I didn't like the constant barrage or comments that people are against President Obama as much as they are because of racism. The two tactics aren't really different....and in many cases, they people using them may actually believe it, while others are simply using it as a way to discourage disagreement.i agree with you on using racism as a defensive tactic. and i am sure there ARE people that actually believe it, just as there are those that believe being anti-war is the same thing as being anti-US. i doubt that i need to mention how ironic that is.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Dec 28, 2014 13:44:17 GMT -5
huh? are you serious? from 911 to about 2005, i had my patriotism questioned every week, bro- face to face, in the media, and in popular culture. edit: did you mean under OBAMA? if so, i agree. I was in the same boat.......so I understand the frustration. I felt like the data was a little shaky, and it felt like 9/11 was being used as a way for Bush to go back into Iraq like his dad did. However at the time, very few people questioned the information and justification(including Bill Clinton). I was pointing out the similarities between being accused for being unpatriotic for disagreeing with President and being accused of racism for disagreeing with the President...or the newest one seems to be that people don't want the President/First Lady questioned when they say things like what was said in the interview. It is usually something along the lines of "I don't know what it's like to be (AA, female, etc.), so I can't question their views on it." It's all the same tactic...and they all have worked to an extent...or people wouldn't use them. Eventually tactics like that usually wear out their use and people get tired of them...and that is when people start challenging that thought process. It is only afterwards enough people start to challenge them, that those type of tactics stop working.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 28, 2014 13:51:04 GMT -5
huh? are you serious? from 911 to about 2005, i had my patriotism questioned every week, bro- face to face, in the media, and in popular culture. edit: did you mean under OBAMA? if so, i agree. I was in the same boat.......so I understand the frustration. I felt like the data was a little shaky, and it felt like 9/11 was being used as a way for Bush to go back into Iraq like his dad did. However at the time, very few people questioned the information and justification(including Bill Clinton). i disagree. millions of people questioned it. if you mean very few PROMINENT, MAINSTREAM PEOPLE, primarily in political or press circles, questioned it- then YES, I AGREE. but i also think this was a concerted whitewash on the part of those that wanted the war. for example, in the runup to the Iraq War, something like 97% of all the people interviewed in the MSM were in favor the war. that did not reflect popular opinion AT ALL. popular opinion was deeply divided (something like 60:40 in favor of the war in March). so, what the press did FED the misperception that the war was wildly popular.I was pointing out the similarities between being accused for being unpatriotic for disagreeing with President and being accused of racism for disagreeing with the President. Both are the same tactic...and both work/worked to an extent...or people wouldn't use them. Eventually tactics like that usually wear out their use and people get tired of them...and that is usually when they stop working. i already said i agree that the comparison makes sense to me.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 29, 2014 10:05:47 GMT -5
People Magazine Fails: Michelle's 2014 Target Racism Story Exposed As a 2012 Target Feel-Good Story
People and Rolling Stone will probably both win coveted journalism awards this year.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 29, 2014 10:08:11 GMT -5
When was the last time "the help" vacationed in Hawaii and other fine places? No one I know that works in the service industry vacations like they do. I still can't get over the fact that anyone would confuse Barry & Moochelle for anyone actually there to "help".
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 29, 2014 14:21:21 GMT -5
People Magazine Fails: Michelle's 2014 Target Racism Story Exposed As a 2012 Target Feel-Good Story
People and Rolling Stone will probably both win coveted journalism awards this year. doubtful. but FOX and Breitbart won't be winning any, either. edit: for the record, RS's coverage of ELECTORAL IRREGULARITIES has been stellar. they should get a Pulitzer for that.
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Post by dondub on Dec 29, 2014 17:42:40 GMT -5
Although I have my own issues with Obama I'm sure there are many folks out there that still respect him enough to call him by his full first name, think he has done a decent job, and don't compare his wife to a cow. What 'I still can't get over is the fact' that so many right thinking adults stoop so low in the denigration and deprecation of the man and his wife. He took over the job under horrific circumstances left from an 8 year Repo mess and haS steered the ship of state in a positive direction.
Caveat: I don't have any thought that the naysayers, name callers and other assorted extreme rightwingers will even come close to agreeing with me, which is perfect. That is who they are afterall.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 29, 2014 18:13:55 GMT -5
Although I have my own issues with Obama I'm sure there are many folks out there that still respect him enough to call him by his full first name, think he has done a decent job, and don't compare his wife to a cow. What 'I still can't get over is the fact' that so many right thinking adults stoop so low in the denigration and deprecation of the man and his wife. He took over the job under horrific circumstances left from an 8 year Repo mess and have steered the ship of state in a positive direction.
Caveat: I don't have any thought that the naysayers, name callers and other assorted extreme rightwingers will even come close to agreeing with me, which is perfect. That is who they are afterall. All the women the poster dislikes he belittles with childish names. Par for the poster.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 29, 2014 18:17:40 GMT -5
Although I have my own issues with Obama I'm sure there are many folks out there that still respect him enough to call him by his full first name, think he has done a decent job, and don't compare his wife to a cow.
they have made worse comparisons, ftr.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 29, 2014 18:19:28 GMT -5
When was the last time "the help" vacationed in Hawaii and other fine places? No one I know that works in the service industry vacations like they do. in the 60's, apparently it was common practice to send the homeless from LA to Hawaii on a one way ticket.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 29, 2014 18:27:41 GMT -5
If I could make sure they'd stay there I'd pop for the tickets.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 29, 2014 19:07:50 GMT -5
When was the last time "the help" vacationed in Hawaii and other fine places? No one I know that works in the service industry vacations like they do. in the 60's, apparently it was common practice to send the homeless from LA to Hawaii on a one way ticket. Fucking brilliant. We should pick up that practice again, only make it someplace OUTSIDE the borders of the United States. And colder.
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Post by dondub on Dec 29, 2014 19:40:17 GMT -5
Most born-again Christians have a bit more compassion for the homeless than cold weather deportation.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 29, 2014 20:34:01 GMT -5
in the 60's, apparently it was common practice to send the homeless from LA to Hawaii on a one way ticket. Fucking brilliant. We should pick up that practice again, only make it someplace OUTSIDE the borders of the United States. And colder. The bible has quite a few quotes how the homeless are to be treated. I started a thread on the Religious Discussion thread just for you as we cannot quote biblical quotes on this board. What Does The Bible Say About Homelessness
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