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Or this one. I was never an Obama fan but even I was pretty hopeful that he would be helpful in making race relations better. Sorry to say I don't believe that has been the case at all .
That is a very heavy burden to put on one man's shoulders. No one man or woman can change the hearts and minds of all. Even Jesus could not do that. I don't put the burden all on his shoulders and I do understand what you are saying. I just anticipated that he potentially would be a great leader in dealing with some of the issues we face in regard to racial division. I have just not found him to be so and it has been a disappointment to me.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Dec 25, 2014 10:59:16 GMT -5
So you honestly believe if he were a white candidate and went to a similar church with a white pastor saying similarly racially charged things...the AA community would have voted for him in the same numbers? I'm guessing that alone would have sunk his candidacy and him saying that he didn't hear the pastor say it probably would not have worked. Many candidates have had their campaigns sunk from much less.
If a Republican candidate made it through the primaries with that same issue, I can only imagine the firestorm from the left saying something along the lines of "see, that proves Republicans are racist."
Well I don't know what would happen to a generic "white candidate". I do remember that time very well, and it was after our Caucus (like a Primary in our state) I thought he was probably through. I remember seeing the Co-Chair in the Hannaford's and she hadn't heard the story yet. "Not good" I told her grimly, and then briefly explained the debacle. I was quite sad, and angry that I had wasted my vote. (I had planned to vote for Clinton, and changed my mind almost at the last minute- something I rarely do)
Anyway, what probably saved him was the speech that he gave on race afterwards, right? I'm still not sure how he pulled it out. Maybe Americans are fairer than we give ourselves credit for. And just maybe, we had a hint about what the good reverend was actually saying too? What was the "good reverend" actually saying? If he were a white candidate, I seriously doubt it would have mattered what he said....I just don't see the AA community voting for him in near the same percentage. It goes back to one of my original points, that it is hard to have a discussion about race when a white person has to avoid even the perception of discrimination...but that same criteria is not the same for everyone. When people talk about racism, they often times only want to talk about "white" racism...while completely ignoring the very real racism that can and does exist in people of ALL skin colors. I grew up in a pretty integrated area and the best thing it taught me is that people are people...but it also taught me how racist everybody can be, but many times racism from white people is reacted to differently/more strongly for some reason.
I think that Obama has been very good for race relations in this country, and I think we won't really recognize that for a while. It's not that he has done anything stellar (other than manage to claw to the top by becoming President!) but just by being a decent, smart, respectable leader he has declawed a lot of myths, and also given a role model to the black community at large. Cosby may be down right now, but he was right about one thing; more black kids have got to start thinking it is smart, if not cool, to succeed in whitey's world.
It is tough growing up in any environment that it is not considered "cool" to succeed. Peer pressure for many kids is an issue, not just from other kids, but from parents as well. It doesn't just exist in the AA community, it exist in many communities across the country. If people think they are going to be discriminated against, it doesn't matter if that is really the case or not...they will see it whether it is real or not. I will say one thing about race discussions, it used to be that people were so afraid of being called a racist that all somebody had to do was hint at it and people would back off (and it still is that way to some extent)....I think that is changing and more people are willing to challenge that mentality now than in the past. In the long run, that can be a good thing.
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Many of these speeches are directed to the audience. Did the POTUS say that "we've been treated like the he..."? Yes(or maybe), but in what context? Delivering a speech to a mostly or entirely black people gathering? Playing to the audience is the smart political thing to do. All politicians do it today and they've been doing it for a long time. Know your audience is a first and a must!
Just to exemplify I offer you the "Mission Accomplished" speech delivered by former President GW Bush on an aircraft carrier. Military personnel only, no grandma's or teenagers there, not a civilian in sight except his staff. He knew full well that that is not the thruth but he was talking to soldiers hoping to boost their morale. Didn't REALY work but was worth a try!
Why am I offering former POTUS as an example? Just to prove that everybody does it! Also, it kinda bothers me that some posters call the sitting President all sorts of names and some call the former POTUS the same. Just doesn't make sens from where I'm sitting: if Obama or W.Bush were stupid, uneducated, morons, good for nothing and what not how come they became presidents? You can express your disagreement on an issue but name calling? Realy? Need I remind you that he represents you too like it or not? Left or right, politicians are all alike with no exception. Moreover, like someone already said(Tenn maybe), even Jessus couldn't convince all of his righteousness. How can you possibly make 320 million people love you?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 25, 2014 12:03:56 GMT -5
i think success is cool in every community. the paths to success are just different.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Dec 25, 2014 13:37:47 GMT -5
i think success is cool in every community. the paths to success are just different. Success is "cool"....I would agree, but putting the work to get there isn't always considered the "cool" thing to do. I've met more than one parent who say something stupid like "working here is good enough for me, it's good enough for my kid" when talking about their kids not needing to go to college. A lot of the type of friends a person has has to do with if getting good grades is considered "cool" or the norm or not. It is a cultural thing in general....anywhere and everywhere.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 25, 2014 13:44:09 GMT -5
i think success is cool in every community. the paths to success are just different. Success is "cool"....I would agree, but putting the work to get there isn't always considered the "cool" thing to do. I've met more than one parent who say something stupid like "working here is good enough for me, it's good enough for my kid" when talking about their kids not needing to go to college. A lot of the type of friends a person has has to do with if getting good grades is considered "cool" or the norm or not. It is a cultural thing in general....anywhere and everywhere. i don't think it is quite that simple. but i doubt you do, either. Merry Christmas! hard work and discipline is pretty difficult without attitude, examples, access, and encouragement. poor communities have very little of these. i know that is what you are saying, but you are saying it in a way that i have a hard time stomaching.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Dec 25, 2014 13:46:08 GMT -5
Many of these speeches are directed to the audience. Did the POTUS say that "we've been treated like the he..."? Yes(or maybe), but in what context? Delivering a speech to a mostly or entirely black people gathering? Playing to the audience is the smart political thing to do. All politicians do it today and they've been doing it for a long time. Know your audience is a first and a must! Like Mitt Romney when he made his comments that really hurt his campaign? Every time a President or perspective President speaks...it's to more than just the audience he is talking to at the moment. Just to exemplify I offer you the "Mission Accomplished" speech delivered by former President GW Bush on an aircraft carrier. Military personnel only, no grandma's or teenagers there, not a civilian in sight except his staff. He knew full well that that is not the thruth but he was talking to soldiers hoping to boost their morale. Didn't REALY work but was worth a try! Why am I offering former POTUS as an example? Just to prove that everybody does it! Also, it kinda bothers me that some posters call the sitting President all sorts of names and some call the former POTUS the same. Just doesn't make sens from where I'm sitting: if Obama or W.Bush were stupid, uneducated, morons, good for nothing and what not how come they became presidents? You can express your disagreement on an issue but name calling? Realy? Need I remind you that he represents you too like it or not? Left or right, politicians are all alike with no exception. Moreover, like someone already said(Tenn maybe), even Jessus couldn't convince all of his righteousness. How can you possibly make 320 million people love you?
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Dec 25, 2014 14:21:37 GMT -5
Success is "cool"....I would agree, but putting the work to get there isn't always considered the "cool" thing to do. I've met more than one parent who say something stupid like "working here is good enough for me, it's good enough for my kid" when talking about their kids not needing to go to college. A lot of the type of friends a person has has to do with if getting good grades is considered "cool" or the norm or not. It is a cultural thing in general....anywhere and everywhere. i don't think it is quite that simple. but i doubt you do, either. Merry Christmas! hard work and discipline is pretty difficult without attitude, examples, access, and encouragement. poor communities have very little of these. i know that is what you are saying, but you are saying it in a way that i have a hard time stomaching. Merry Christmas to you too. There is a problem with finding role models in poor communities, but it's a bigger issue than that unfortunately. I've seen non-white kids get made fun of for "talking white" by adults who should know better (and I am assuming they are teaching their kids the same thing), but I've also seen white kids kids get made fun of for using "big words" by adults in poorer communites that are predominantly white. While MOST parents want their kids to succeed, is does not necessarily mean that other people in the community want the same thing....and kids in poorer communities do face the issue of people making fun, mocking, or whatever else you want to call it for trying to "get out." For those that do succeed, sometimes it's hard to go back for a variety of reason...which only perpetuates the issue of a lack of role models. There is also an issue of people feeling like if they can't have everything, then they don't want to do anything. Sometimes all any of us can do is the best we can to put our kids in a better position than we were in growing up, and hopefully our kids will do the same, and so on. If every generation does this, eventually that finanical family tree will be changed. Every wealthy family didn't start out wealthy...somebody along the way changed their family tree by working to make a better life for themselves and their family. Which is part of my issue with people complaining about wealthy families having too many opportunies and then just deciding to nothing because "it's just not fair." Just because I can't give my kids the same number of opportunities as other people can give their kids, doesn't mean I can't give my kids any opportunities.
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Post by mroped on Dec 25, 2014 14:22:33 GMT -5
Oh, trust me! That was definetly not the right thing to say no matter what the audience was. Lucky for him that he won't run again for office because he would've lost plenty of votes with that. And on top of that due to the "Internet age" his comments are zooming across the world so all other nations judge him/us too. Big screw up, no denying!
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 25, 2014 14:34:32 GMT -5
i don't think it is quite that simple. but i doubt you do, either. Merry Christmas! hard work and discipline is pretty difficult without attitude, examples, access, and encouragement. poor communities have very little of these. i know that is what you are saying, but you are saying it in a way that i have a hard time stomaching. Merry Christmas to you too. There is a problem with finding role models in poor communities, but it's a bigger issue than that unfortunately. I've seen non-white kids get made fun of for "talking white" by adults who should know better (and I am assuming they are teaching their kids the same thing), but I've also seen white kids kids get made fun of for using "big words" by adults in poorer communites that are predominantly white. While MOST parents want their kids to succeed, is does not necessarily mean that other people in the community want the same thing....and kids in poorer communities do face the issue of people making fun, mocking, or whatever else you want to call it for trying to "get out." For those that do succeed, sometimes it's hard to go back for a variety of reason...which only perpetuates the issue of a lack of role models. There is also an issue of people feeling like if they can't have everything, then they don't want to do anything. Sometimes all any of us can do is the best we can to put our kids in a better position than we were in growing up, and hopefully our kids will do the same, and so on. If every generation does this, eventually that finanical family tree will be changed. Every wealthy family didn't start out wealthy...somebody along the way changed their family tree by working to make a better life for themselves and their family. Which is part of my issue with people complaining about wealthy families having too many opportunies and then just deciding to nothing because "it's just not fair." Just because I can't give my kids the same number of opportunities as other people can give their kids, doesn't mean I can't give my kids any opportunities. there is an anti-intellectual streak in America. you can see it pretty overtly in politics. and i think some parents are so detached that they don't know how to mentor their kids into successful lives, NOR are they successful enough to provide that example, so it becomes a pattern. and it probably goes back many generations in many cases. i am really unfamiliar with the ennui of not having everything that you are speaking about. have no clue about it. not sure it even makes sense to me. but i am thinking about it. i had a solid lower-middle class lifestyle until well after i graduated from college- when i got my first engineering job. then things started to change. but it really wasn't until i had success in business in the late 90's that i really saw what life COULD be like. my uncle was quite wealthy. he died with, literally, millions in the bank. but he was a total asshole. nobody i really wanted to aspire to. i didn't admire him for his wealth at all- even though he grew up in the depression and plowed fields for pennies as a kid. he was a dick. so whatever made him rich i wanted nothing to do with. but at least i could see what that looked like: early retirement, a nice home, the ability to travel anywhere, any time, without planning. he had a great LIFESTYLE. but i never asked him about how he did it, because he was an arse. i think it is stupid for someone to want things for themselves and accept nothing less than everything. so, i can't relate to that at all, if it exists.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Dec 25, 2014 14:57:40 GMT -5
Merry Christmas to you too. There is a problem with finding role models in poor communities, but it's a bigger issue than that unfortunately. I've seen non-white kids get made fun of for "talking white" by adults who should know better (and I am assuming they are teaching their kids the same thing), but I've also seen white kids kids get made fun of for using "big words" by adults in poorer communites that are predominantly white. While MOST parents want their kids to succeed, is does not necessarily mean that other people in the community want the same thing....and kids in poorer communities do face the issue of people making fun, mocking, or whatever else you want to call it for trying to "get out." For those that do succeed, sometimes it's hard to go back for a variety of reason...which only perpetuates the issue of a lack of role models. There is also an issue of people feeling like if they can't have everything, then they don't want to do anything. Sometimes all any of us can do is the best we can to put our kids in a better position than we were in growing up, and hopefully our kids will do the same, and so on. If every generation does this, eventually that finanical family tree will be changed. Every wealthy family didn't start out wealthy...somebody along the way changed their family tree by working to make a better life for themselves and their family. Which is part of my issue with people complaining about wealthy families having too many opportunies and then just deciding to nothing because "it's just not fair." Just because I can't give my kids the same number of opportunities as other people can give their kids, doesn't mean I can't give my kids any opportunities. there is an anti-intellectual streak in America. you can see it pretty overtly in politics. and i think some parents are so detached that they don't know how to mentor their kids into successful lives, NOR are they successful enough to provide that example, so it becomes a pattern. and it probably goes back many generations in many cases. Parents don't have to financially successful to be a good example to their kids, but I get your point. It's part of the reason I really promote the idea of schools in general, but particually from lower socio-economic areas having mentor programs and after school programs. The problem is money, but I would think this would be an investment in the future that would be worth spending the money on.i am really unfamiliar with the ennui of not having everything that you are speaking about. have no clue about it. not sure it even makes sense to me. but i am thinking about it. I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about here or I would try to elaborate.i had a solid lower-middle class lifestyle until well after i graduated from college- when i got my first engineering job. then things started to change. but it really wasn't until i had success in business in the late 90's that i really saw what life COULD be like. my uncle was quite wealthy. he died with, literally, millions in the bank. but he was a total asshole. nobody i really wanted to aspire to. i didn't admire him for his wealth at all- even though he grew up in the depression and plowed fields for pennies as a kid. he was a dick. so whatever made him rich i wanted nothing to do with. but at least i could see what that looked like: early retirement, a nice home, the ability to travel anywhere, any time, without planning. he had a great LIFESTYLE. but i never asked him about how he did it, because he was an arse. He could have been that way because that is the type of person he was (pricks are generally the same, whether they are rich or poor) or it could have been that once he obtained his wealth, everybody seemed to want something from him. It's hard to say....but I see what you are saying as far as being able to see a different lifestyle....but I think you are missing the point that there are issues of kids being told they can't succeed because "they won't let you" because of whatever reason (racism, sexism, classism, etc). Sometimes "they" are the people within the same community that try to hold people back because if that person succeeds, then maybe their failures aren't all their fault. I'm not saying that everybody who is poor is poor because of laziness or because they don't work hard because a lot of finanically poor people work very hard and have added stress and worries that come with having very little money...I'm saying that sometimes people are pricks and don't want other people doing better than they are doing.i think it is stupid for someone to want things for themselves and accept nothing less than everything. so, i can't relate to that at all, if it exists.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Dec 25, 2014 15:17:14 GMT -5
This is the 3rd time I've tried to type this in regard to your last sentence...not sure why it keeps getting cut off. Hopefully it works this time. Basically what I said is that sometime people are so focused on not being able to have the opportunities they want "right now" or not having the same opportunies that other people have, that they don't see or take advantage of the opportunities they do have available to them. Just because a person doesn't get all the opportunities they want to have, doesn't mean they don't get any opportunies that will open more doors to them, which will in turn hopefully open even more opportunities. So instead of taking advantage of what doors are open for them, they do nothing and then complain about not having any opportunities to make their lives better. Does that make sense?
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Many of these speeches are directed to the audience. Did the POTUS say that "we've been treated like the he..."? Yes(or maybe), but in what context? Delivering a speech to a mostly or entirely black people gathering? Playing to the audience is the smart political thing to do. All politicians do it today and they've been doing it for a long time. Know your audience is a first and a must! Just to exemplify I offer you the "Mission Accomplished" speech delivered by former President GW Bush on an aircraft carrier. Military personnel only, no grandma's or teenagers there, not a civilian in sight except his staff. He knew full well that that is not the thruth but he was talking to soldiers hoping to boost their morale. Didn't REALY work but was worth a try! Why am I offering former POTUS as an example? Just to prove that everybody does it! Also, it kinda bothers me that some posters call the sitting President all sorts of names and some call the former POTUS the same. Just doesn't make sens from where I'm sitting: if Obama or W.Bush were stupid, uneducated, morons, good for nothing and what not how come they became presidents? You can express your disagreement on an issue but name calling? Realy? Need I remind you that he represents you too like it or not? Left or right, politicians are all alike with no exception. Moreover, like someone already said(Tenn maybe), even Jessus couldn't convince all of his righteousness. How can you possibly make 320 million people love you? Because (and I hate to say this), most voters are dumber than they are. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, as long as the majority of voters use the wrong criteria to vote, we'll keep ending up with unqualified, unworthy Presidents. The biggest 5 "wrong criteria" to vote for someone are (in no particular order): - Gender
- Race
- Religion
- Political Party
- "Best of the two bad options" when there are actually more than two options available
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 25, 2014 19:36:11 GMT -5
This is the 3rd time I've tried to type this in regard to your last sentence...not sure why it keeps getting cut off. Hopefully it works this time. Basically what I said is that sometime people are so focused on not being able to have the opportunities they want "right now" or not having the same opportunies that other people have, that they don't see or take advantage of the opportunities they do have available to them. Just because a person doesn't get all the opportunities they want to have, doesn't mean they don't get any opportunies that will open more doors to them, which will in turn hopefully open even more opportunities. So instead of taking advantage of what doors are open for them, they do nothing and then complain about not having any opportunities to make their lives better. Does that make sense? my point was that a lot of kids don't even SEE the opportunities. if you are raised in agricultural communities, for example, you are expected to work on the farm. you might have made a great computer programmer, but tough shit. you are a farmer. i think poor neighborhoods work the same way. you see the opportunities that are staring you in the face, and little else, unless you are an exceptional person. but yes, that made sense.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 25, 2014 19:37:25 GMT -5
Many of these speeches are directed to the audience. Did the POTUS say that "we've been treated like the he..."? Yes(or maybe), but in what context? Delivering a speech to a mostly or entirely black people gathering? Playing to the audience is the smart political thing to do. All politicians do it today and they've been doing it for a long time. Know your audience is a first and a must! Just to exemplify I offer you the "Mission Accomplished" speech delivered by former President GW Bush on an aircraft carrier. Military personnel only, no grandma's or teenagers there, not a civilian in sight except his staff. He knew full well that that is not the thruth but he was talking to soldiers hoping to boost their morale. Didn't REALY work but was worth a try! Why am I offering former POTUS as an example? Just to prove that everybody does it! Also, it kinda bothers me that some posters call the sitting President all sorts of names and some call the former POTUS the same. Just doesn't make sens from where I'm sitting: if Obama or W.Bush were stupid, uneducated, morons, good for nothing and what not how come they became presidents? You can express your disagreement on an issue but name calling? Realy? Need I remind you that he represents you too like it or not? Left or right, politicians are all alike with no exception. Moreover, like someone already said(Tenn maybe), even Jessus couldn't convince all of his righteousness. How can you possibly make 320 million people love you? Because (and I hate to say this), most voters are dumber than they are. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, as long as the majority of voters use the wrong criteria to vote, we'll keep ending up with unqualified, unworthy Presidents. The biggest 5 "wrong criteria" to vote for someone are (in no particular order): - Gender
- Race
- Religion
- Political Party
- "Best of the two bad options" when there are actually more than two options available
i think i can boil it down into ONE thing: people vote for presidents that they can IDENTIFY with. that takes all of those factors into account, and many more.
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Because (and I hate to say this), most voters are dumber than they are. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, as long as the majority of voters use the wrong criteria to vote, we'll keep ending up with unqualified, unworthy Presidents. The biggest 5 "wrong criteria" to vote for someone are (in no particular order): - Gender
- Race
- Religion
- Political Party
- "Best of the two bad options" when there are actually more than two options available
i think i can boil it down into ONE thing: people vote for presidents that they can IDENTIFY with. that takes all of those factors into account, and many more. Maybe they can "identify" with them based on those criteria... but they have exactly SQUAT to do with the person's ability to be a good President.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 25, 2014 20:36:22 GMT -5
i think i can boil it down into ONE thing: people vote for presidents that they can IDENTIFY with. that takes all of those factors into account, and many more. Maybe they can "identify" with them based on those criteria... but they have exactly SQUAT to do with the person's ability to be a good President. agreed. but i never claimed that. you know what is interesting? employers make this precise same mistake. it is one of the reasons that interviews are generally useless.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 20:41:50 GMT -5
Maybe they can "identify" with them based on those criteria... but they have exactly SQUAT to do with the person's ability to be a good President. agreed. but i never claimed that. you know what is interesting? employers make this precise same mistake. it is one of the reasons that interviews are generally useless. In many cases, that's an unfortunate truth.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 25, 2014 20:45:46 GMT -5
agreed. but i never claimed that. you know what is interesting? employers make this precise same mistake. it is one of the reasons that interviews are generally useless. In many cases, that's an unfortunate truth. people who conduct interviews generally rate people like themselves well, and people not like themselves poorly, no matter what their qualifications for the job, or even the job. therefore, companies tend to be a reflection of their personnel department, in the general case. it is far better to just give someone a written psych exam than an oral interview. the results of those things don't lie, nor do they reflect experimenter bias.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 25, 2014 20:47:04 GMT -5
this actually says some really bad things about popular elections, if you think about it.
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Post by mroped on Dec 25, 2014 21:11:35 GMT -5
My father in law believes to some extent that people should be tested before being allowed to reproduce just to make sure that they will make responsible parents. Aplying the same train of tought to elections...there would be almost nobody voting!
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 25, 2014 21:15:48 GMT -5
My father in law believes to some extent that people should be tested before being allowed to reproduce just to make sure that they will make responsible parents. Aplying the same train of tought to elections...there would be almost nobody voting! that is a very cynical view. a more optimistic one would be that CIVICS would become part of popular culture, and people would LEARN to become good voters. of course, our elected leaders want nothing to do with that. they know how to sell candidates the way they sell toothpaste. the last thing they want is reasoned debate.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 25, 2014 21:58:05 GMT -5
In many cases, that's an unfortunate truth. people who conduct interviews generally rate people like themselves well, and people not like themselves poorly, no matter what their qualifications for the job, or even the job. therefore, companies tend to be a reflection of their personnel department, in the general case. it is far better to just give someone a written psych exam than an oral interview. the results of those things don't lie, nor do they reflect experimenter bias. Halo Effect/Horns Effect.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 25, 2014 22:00:24 GMT -5
people who conduct interviews generally rate people like themselves well, and people not like themselves poorly, no matter what their qualifications for the job, or even the job. therefore, companies tend to be a reflection of their personnel department, in the general case. it is far better to just give someone a written psych exam than an oral interview. the results of those things don't lie, nor do they reflect experimenter bias. Halo Effect/Horns Effect. precisely. most small companies are completely unaware of it, and therefore continue using really awful hiring practices.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 15:58:06 GMT -5
I think the Democratic Party has internal polling showing that they are in big trouble with black voters, and the Obama's have chosen to basically make shit up to reassure the black community they are down for the struggle. Their recent troubles notwithstanding, the Obama's both have a history of making up rather easily debunked stories-- like Barack's outright lie that his parents met as a result of an event that took place several years after his birth- Selma, AL; EDITED- inaccurate account. Why do you think that?
We have the first black President ever, and he has been treated absolutely horribly by Republicans since day one. He has not even been accorded the minimal respect expected of the office which he holds. (EX- "You Lie" during his State of the Union address a few years ago)
Do we have any concept of the feelings and emotions among most black people when it became apparent that we were actually going to have a black president? Do you know what that means?
After that joyous moment to see him dragged down by any means possible by all manner of GOP operatives has not gone unnoticed. I don't believe you will see a large exodus of black voters to the GOP any time soon.
I was of the understanding he was half black/half white. It looks like the DEM operatives dragging down Bush by any means possible (remember "Hail to the thief) has now gone full circle. I don't think our current loser in chief (see how easy it is) deals with any more demeaning crap than our previous president. Pretty soon he might be dealing with years of "it's Obama's fault" for anything bad. It's kind of like a goes around/comes around kind of thing. I don't feel too strongly about it, but will jump on the bandwagon when it's my turn.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 26, 2014 18:26:14 GMT -5
When was the last time "the help" vacationed in Hawaii and other fine places? No one I know that works in the service industry vacations like they do.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 26, 2014 19:19:36 GMT -5
When was the last time "the help" vacationed in Hawaii and other fine places? No one I know that works in the service industry vacations like they do. In fairness long term Congressman vacation all over too. They just do not have the entourage the President takes with him
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Post by dondub on Dec 26, 2014 20:12:24 GMT -5
Anyone that believes the POTUS goes completely off the clock when on vacation in Hawaii is demeaning the office of the Presidency. It is categorically impossible, but has made a wonderful snippet for the denigrators.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 20:18:12 GMT -5
People would LOVE my "Vacations" if I were President... because I wouldn't take any that required travel. Not saying I wouldn't travel if there was a legitimate government need for me to... just that Vacation time should be on MY DIME not on the dimes" of the taxpayer... so... I'd just take the week off and veg in the White House or at Camp David (places that are already secure and don't require Air Force One travel and expense).
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