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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Dec 21, 2014 2:45:31 GMT -5
The GOP has rolled over and given this guy everything he wants. The truth is that he's been treated extremely well precisely because he is black. There's no other way to explain Obama other than the first Affirmative Action president. No white liberal loon could would have made it through the primary against Hillary. His entire life has been one of privilege, much of it having to do with his race / ethnicity. Well that's funny. Remember Mitch McConnell's only goal during Obama's first term?
Regarding the 2008 Primaries, I'm sorry, I was there, and I saw it firsthand. It has nothing to do with his color, certainly not up here where it was probably to his disadvantage. There really was a palpable excitement not because he was black, but because he was not an insider, which of course Hillary personified by that point. Many people started out planning to vote for her, and yet switched to Obama because he seemed to offer something new and exciting. Not that "Hopey- Changey thing", but a fresh outsider's look at things. Someone who has not been in Washington forever. This is actually a well worn approach to popularity among candidates. One that benefitted Reagan and Bill Clinton in their day too.
As far as whole life being privileged I can't really speak to that as I don't know him, but I doubt it. I know from experience, growing up in a one parent home is not all about privilege. I certainly wouldn't trade my skin for a black one either in that regard.
So you honestly believe if he were a white candidate and went to a similar church with a white pastor saying similarly racially charged things...the AA community would have voted for him in the same numbers? I'm guessing that alone would have sunk his candidacy and him saying that he didn't hear the pastor say it probably would not have worked. Many candidates have had their campaigns sunk from much less.
If a Republican candidate made it through the primaries with that same issue, I can only imagine the firestorm from the left saying something along the lines of "see, that proves Republicans are racist."
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 21, 2014 11:45:15 GMT -5
Medicaid is a state run program, not a federal one. i am not sure what AmericanThinker is doing here, but Wilson was not vindicated at all. the ACA specifically excludes illegal immigrants.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 21, 2014 11:52:36 GMT -5
The GOP has rolled over and given this guy everything he wants. The truth is that he's been treated extremely well precisely because he is black. There's no other way to explain Obama other than the first Affirmative Action president. No white liberal loon could would have made it through the primary against Hillary. His entire life has been one of privilege, much of it having to do with his race / ethnicity. Well that's funny. Remember Mitch McConnell's only goal during Obama's first term?
Regarding the 2008 Primaries, I'm sorry, I was there, and I saw it firsthand. It has nothing to do with his color, certainly not up here where it was probably to his disadvantage. There really was a palpable excitement not because he was black, but because he was not an insider, which of course Hillary personified by that point. Many people started out planning to vote for her, and yet switched to Obama because he seemed to offer something new and exciting. Not that "Hopey- Changey thing", but a fresh outsider's look at things. Someone who has not been in Washington forever. This is actually a well worn approach to popularity among candidates. One that benefitted Reagan and Bill Clinton in their day too.
As far as whole life being privileged I can't really speak to that as I don't know him, but I doubt it. I know from experience, growing up in a one parent home is not all about privilege. I certainly wouldn't trade my skin for a black one either in that regard.
people wanted a REAL change in 2008. i think that someone like Warren could have won that year. McCain's problem is that he was not really that different by 2008. he was still pretty mavericky in 2000, but by 2008, he was just another partistan hack. 2016 is different. people are not looking for that much of a change. so i think centrists have a better chance. thus Bush and Clinton seem like good candidates to me for this cycle- unless something catastrophic happens in the next 20 or so months.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 21, 2014 12:16:01 GMT -5
And I'm sorry- but there is NO WAY for a white liberal politician with such a blank resume and flimsy record to have gotten elected. Presidents with less elected office experience than Barack Obama: George Washington: None, natch. But still, he led our country with absolutely NO elected experience or idea of what to expect. His judgement, however, was quite sound. Andrew Jackson: 2 years Congress, 5 years US Senate. Zachary Taylor: No elected experience.Millard Fillmore: 2 years State Assembly, 8 years Congress, 1 year Vice President. Franklin Pierce: 6 years US Senate. Abraham Lincoln: 8 years State Legislature, 2 years Congress. A big one, as he led our country through it's darkest times with hardly ANY experience in office. Ulysses S. Grant: No elected experience.Rutherford B. Hayes: 6 years Governor of Ohio. Chester Arthur: Less than 1 year Vice President.Benjamin Harrison: 6 years US Senate. Theodore Roosevelt: 4 years State Assembly, 1 year Governor of NY, 1 year Vice President. William Howard Taft: No elected experience.Woodrow Wilson: 4 years Governor of New Jersey. Herbert Hoover: No elected experience.Franklin Roosevelt: 3 years State Senator, 4 years Governor of NY. Another big one. Dwight Eisenhower: No elected experience.Jimmy Carter: 4 years State Senate, 4 yearsovernor. Ronald Regan: 8 years Governor of California. George W. Bush: 6 years Governor of Texas. So there you have it. Twenty US Presidents had LESS elected experience than Barack Obama when they were elected President. seven with no elected experience whatsoever. your claim is bogus, Paul. stop repeating it. edit: unless your point was that only LIBERALS without resumes could not get elected. that is largely true.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 21, 2014 13:06:49 GMT -5
You are correct on exactly how much actual state and federal experience our Presidents actually have. I think it would be interesting to add the Presidents with their personal years and what they did. I'll start with the present Barack Obama, pot smoker, community organizer
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 21, 2014 13:09:03 GMT -5
You are correct on exactly how much actual state and federal experience our Presidents actually have. I think it would be interesting to add the Presidents with their personal years and what they did. I'll start with the present Barack Obama, pot smoker, community organizer
GHW Bush, coke user, alcoholic, failed businessman
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 21, 2014 13:11:38 GMT -5
You are correct on exactly how much actual state and federal experience our Presidents actually have. I think it would be interesting to add the Presidents with their personal years and what they did. I'll start with the present Barack Obama, pot smoker, community organizer
GHW Bush, coke user, alcoholic, failed businessman As soon as I hit "create post" I knew I left a hanging curve right over the center of the plate
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 21, 2014 13:14:05 GMT -5
Bill Clinton, womanizer imnumerable affairs, liar
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 21, 2014 13:14:16 GMT -5
GHW Bush, coke user, alcoholic, failed businessman As soon as I hit "create post" I knew I left a hanging curve right over the center of the plate Thomas Jefferson: bastard son of mulatto father and indian squaw, slave owner, and adulterer.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 21, 2014 13:16:20 GMT -5
i think you can name some GREAT presidents that had dark pasts.
in fact, i think a lot of great men overcame a lot. that is part of what makes them great.
i am not saying Obama is great. i am saying that his past should not be held against him.
he appears to be a respectable man: good husband, good father, well spoken. he should be judged on the man he is, not the man he was, imo.
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Post by Opti on Dec 21, 2014 13:25:33 GMT -5
You are correct on exactly how much actual state and federal experience our Presidents actually have. I think it would be interesting to add the Presidents with their personal years and what they did. I'll start with the present Barack Obama, pot smoker, community organizer
Martin Luther King - Community organizer and unfaithful husband
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 21, 2014 13:48:24 GMT -5
You are correct on exactly how much actual state and federal experience our Presidents actually have. I think it would be interesting to add the Presidents with their personal years and what they did. I'll start with the present Barack Obama, pot smoker, community organizer
You say "community organizer" as if it is a bad thing. Here are some of the more famous community organizers: Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton Martin Luther King, Jr. Cesar Chavez Harriet Tubman Dorothy Day (Helped found the Catholic Worker movement to help the poor and homeless, and promote social justice.) Jane Jacobs. (Helped rebuild and revitalize city neighborhoods and made people consider the wide-ranging benefits of supporting our urban cultures.) Mohandas Gandhi Jesus Christ Jane Addams Francis d'Assisi Lech Walesa Lady Bird Johnson Alice Paul While I more than expect you to disagree with some of the names listed, all of them did help their communities and beyond in social change. And many of these folks lived long before Saul Alinsky so no need to bring his name up.
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Post by dondub on Dec 21, 2014 14:11:22 GMT -5
Community organizer is just one of the numerous sobriquets the righties have for Obama. Gee, what a horrible thing....organizing in a community. Of course when one simply examines what he did instead of just getting a giggle over their denigration, they makes themselves look like foolish idiots.
After four years living in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer. He worked for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side.[49][51][52] During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.[53] Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.[54]
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Post by dondub on Dec 21, 2014 14:15:23 GMT -5
Of course there are numerous other accomplisments:
Project Vote[edit]
Obama directed Illinois Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive, officially nonpartisan, that helped Carol Moseley Braun become the first black woman ever elected to the Senate.[52] He headed up a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of 400,000 registered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be.[65][66][67] Although fundraising was not required for the position when Obama was recruited for the job, he started an active campaign to raise money for the project. According to Sandy Newman, who founded Project Vote, Obama "raised more money than any of our state directors had ever done. He did a great job of enlisting a broad spectrum of organizations and people, including many who did not get along well with one another."[67]
The fundraising brought Obama into contact with the wealthy, liberal elite of Chicago, some of whom became supporters in his future political career. Through one of them he met David Axelrod, who later headed Obama's campaign for president.[52] The fundraising committee was chaired by John Schmidt, a former chief of staff to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and John W. Rogers Jr., a young black money manager and founder of Ariel Capital Management.[67] Obama also met much of the city's black political leadership, although he didn't always get along with the older politicians, with friction sometimes developing over Obama's reluctance to spend money and his insistence on results.[52] "He really did it, and he let other people take all the credit", Schmidt later said. "The people standing up at the press conferences were Jesse Jackson and Bobby Rush and I don't know who else. Barack was off to the side and only the people who were close to it knew he had done all the work."[67]
1992–1996[edit]
Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992–1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996–2004).[68] During this time he taught courses in due process and equal protection, voting rights, and racism and law. He published no legal scholarship, and turned down tenured positions, but served eight years in the Illinois Senate during his twelve years at the university.[69]
In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2007.[49][70] The firm was well-known among influential Chicago liberals and leaders of the black community, and the firm's Judson H. Miner, who met with Obama to recruit him before Obama's 1991 graduation from law school, had been counsel to former Chicago Mayor Harold Washington, although the law firm often clashed with the administration of Mayor Richard M. Daley. The 29-year-old law student made it clear in his initial interview with Miner that he was more interested in joining the firm to learn about Chicago politics than to practice law.[63] During the four years Obama worked as a full-time lawyer at the firm, he was involved in 30 cases and accrued 3,723 billable hours.[71]
Obama was a founding member of the board of directors of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife, Michelle, became the founding executive director of Public Allies Chicago in early 1993.[49][72] He served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which in 1985 had been the first foundation to fund Obama's DCP, from 1993–2002, and served on the board of directors of The Joyce Foundation from 1994–2002.[49] Membership on the Joyce and Wood foundation boards, which gave out tens of millions of dollars to various local organizations while Obama was a member, helped Obama get to know and be known by influential liberal groups and cultivate a network of community activists that later supported his political career.[63] Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995–2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995–1999.[49] He also served on the board of directors of the Chicago Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the Center for Neighborhood Technology, and the Lugenia Burns Hope Center.[49] In 1995, Obama also announced his candidacy for a seat in the Illinois state Senate and attended Louis Farrakhan's Million Man March in Washington, DC.[73]
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Post by dondub on Dec 21, 2014 14:21:20 GMT -5
In fact, other than he would have to leave the AR-15 back in Florida, my bet is Paul's son would love to get into the University of Chicago let alone it's law school. It is one of the best schools in the country.
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Post by The Captain on Dec 21, 2014 15:30:34 GMT -5
As soon as I hit "create post" I knew I left a hanging curve right over the center of the plate Thomas Jefferson: bastard son of mulatto father and indian squaw, slave owner, and adulterer. Not that pedigree matters to me (it doesn't) but would this make Jefferson the first "black president"?
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Post by dondub on Dec 21, 2014 15:37:31 GMT -5
First American Indian president based on my math!
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 21, 2014 15:43:53 GMT -5
... Thomas Jefferson: bastard son of mulatto father and indian squaw, ... I know, I know but what the hell. Link?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 21, 2014 16:09:16 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 21, 2014 16:59:07 GMT -5
Well that's funny. Remember Mitch McConnell's only goal during Obama's first term?
Regarding the 2008 Primaries, I'm sorry, I was there, and I saw it firsthand. It has nothing to do with his color, certainly not up here where it was probably to his disadvantage. There really was a palpable excitement not because he was black, but because he was not an insider, which of course Hillary personified by that point. Many people started out planning to vote for her, and yet switched to Obama because he seemed to offer something new and exciting. Not that "Hopey- Changey thing", but a fresh outsider's look at things. Someone who has not been in Washington forever. This is actually a well worn approach to popularity among candidates. One that benefitted Reagan and Bill Clinton in their day too.
As far as whole life being privileged I can't really speak to that as I don't know him, but I doubt it. I know from experience, growing up in a one parent home is not all about privilege. I certainly wouldn't trade my skin for a black one either in that regard.
So you honestly believe if he were a white candidate and went to a similar church with a white pastor saying similarly racially charged things...the AA community would have voted for him in the same numbers? I'm guessing that alone would have sunk his candidacy and him saying that he didn't hear the pastor say it probably would not have worked. Many candidates have had their campaigns sunk from much less.
If a Republican candidate made it through the primaries with that same issue, I can only imagine the firestorm from the left saying something along the lines of "see, that proves Republicans are racist."
Great point. Imagine the same white candidate starting his career in the company of Timothy McVeigh. And before you say anything, yes- William Ayers is the exact same as Timothy McVeigh. I don't give criminals a pass for incompetence.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 21, 2014 17:06:32 GMT -5
Of course there are numerous other accomplisments:
Project Vote[edit]
Obama directed Illinois Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive, officially nonpartisan, that helped Carol Moseley Braun become the first black woman ever elected to the Senate.[52] He headed up a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of 400,000 registered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be.[65][66][67] Although fundraising was not required for the position when Obama was recruited for the job, he started an active campaign to raise money for the project. According to Sandy Newman, who founded Project Vote, Obama "raised more money than any of our state directors had ever done. He did a great job of enlisting a broad spectrum of organizations and people, including many who did not get along well with one another."[67]
He headed up a 10 person 'staff' for a supposedly NON-PARTISAN non-profit group that "helped Carol Moseley Braun [get elected]" Sounds like the resume of a criminal so far.
The fundraising brought Obama into contact with the wealthy, liberal elite of Chicago, some of whom became supporters in his future political career. Through one of them he met David Axelrod, who later headed Obama's campaign for president.[52] The fundraising committee was chaired by John Schmidt, a former chief of staff to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and John W. Rogers Jr., a young black money manager and founder of Ariel Capital Management.[67] Obama also met much of the city's black political leadership, although he didn't always get along with the older politicians, with friction sometimes developing over Obama's reluctance to spend money and his insistence on results.[52] "He really did it, and he let other people take all the credit", Schmidt later said. "The people standing up at the press conferences were Jesse Jackson and Bobby Rush and I don't know who else. Barack was off to the side and only the people who were close to it knew he had done all the work."[67]
1992–1996[edit]
Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992–1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996–2004).[68] During this time he taught courses in due process and equal protection, voting rights, and racism and law. He published no legal scholarship, and turned down tenured positions, but served eight years in the Illinois Senate during his twelve years at the university.[69]
College professors aren't executives, they don't run a damn thing.
In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2007.[49][70] The firm was well-known among influential Chicago liberals and leaders of the black community, and the firm's Judson H. Miner, who met with Obama to recruit him before Obama's 1991 graduation from law school, had been counsel to former Chicago Mayor Harold Washington, although the law firm often clashed with the administration of Mayor Richard M. Daley. The 29-year-old law student made it clear in his initial interview with Miner that he was more interested in joining the firm to learn about Chicago politics than to practice law.[63] During the four years Obama worked as a full-time lawyer at the firm, he was involved in 30 cases and accrued 3,723 billable hours.[71]
Obama was a founding member of the board of directors of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife, Michelle, became the founding executive director of Public Allies Chicago in early 1993.[49][72] He served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which in 1985 had been the first foundation to fund Obama's DCP, from 1993–2002, and served on the board of directors of The Joyce Foundation from 1994–2002.[49] Membership on the Joyce and Wood foundation boards, which gave out tens of millions of dollars to various local organizations while Obama was a member, helped Obama get to know and be known by influential liberal groups and cultivate a network of community activists that later supported his political career.[63] Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995–2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995–1999.[49] He also served on the board of directors of the Chicago Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the Center for Neighborhood Technology, and the Lugenia Burns Hope Center.[49] In 1995, Obama also announced his candidacy for a seat in the Illinois state Senate and attended Louis Farrakhan's Million Man March in Washington, DC.[73]
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Sorry- I'm not even going to respond to anything more. I'm from Chicago- Cook County, anyway. I'm intimately familiar with a lot of this crap and even the places where he did actually "work" what he did is not clear, and the organizations aren't particularly mainstream, or even well respected except among the Hyde Park crowd. You've really done more here to cement the fact that Obama is a total crackpot and a kook.
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Post by dondub on Dec 21, 2014 17:30:37 GMT -5
The question, from all the rightwing fruitbats, is whether Obama did anything at all. I've seen the disparagement many times over. Some even have a pathology about it. His accomplishments, of course, are way beyond those of his detractors, who, as we can see, like to skip as many as possible(such as Paul's post above). As you, Paul, are Mr. Chicago, then you know damn well that U. of Chicago is a great school. He also performed many other selfless tasks in the support of Chicago's humanity. What a great American.
And please follow through on your promise. It's not like we don't already know what they really mean.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 21, 2014 20:09:06 GMT -5
The question, from all the rightwing fruitbats, is whether Obama did anything at all. I've seen the disparagement many times over. Some even have a pathology about it. His accomplishments, of course, are way beyond those of his detractors, who, as we can see, like to skip as many as possible(such as Paul's post above). As you, Paul, are Mr. Chicago, then you know damn well that U. of Chicago is a great school. He also performed many other selfless tasks in the support of Chicago's humanity. What a great American.
And please follow through on your promise. It's not like we don't already know what they really mean. guilt by association is Un-American, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 22:00:00 GMT -5
So you honestly believe if he were a white candidate and went to a similar church with a white pastor saying similarly racially charged things...the AA community would have voted for him in the same numbers? I'm guessing that alone would have sunk his candidacy and him saying that he didn't hear the pastor say it probably would not have worked. Many candidates have had their campaigns sunk from much less.
If a Republican candidate made it through the primaries with that same issue, I can only imagine the firestorm from the left saying something along the lines of "see, that proves Republicans are racist."
Well I don't know what would happen to a generic "white candidate". I do remember that time very well, and it was after our Caucus (like a Primary in our state) I thought he was probably through. I remember seeing the Co-Chair in the Hannaford's and she hadn't heard the story yet. "Not good" I told her grimly, and then briefly explained the debacle. I was quite sad, and angry that I had wasted my vote. (I had planned to vote for Clinton, and changed my mind almost at the last minute- something I rarely do)
Anyway, what probably saved him was the speech that he gave on race afterwards, right? I'm still not sure how he pulled it out. Maybe Americans are fairer than we give ourselves credit for. And just maybe, we had a hint about what the good reverend was actually saying too?
I think that Obama has been very good for race relations in this country, and I think we won't really recognize that for a while. It's not that he has done anything stellar (other than manage to claw to the top by becoming President!) but just by being a decent, smart, respectable leader he has declawed a lot of myths, and also given a role model to the black community at large. Cosby may be down right now, but he was right about one thing; more black kids have got to start thinking it is smart, if not cool, to succeed in whitey's world.
I thought you were talking about Obama until I got to that point... You must be talking about someone else, if you are going to include those descriptors.
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Post by dondub on Dec 22, 2014 1:03:05 GMT -5
Paul has way more in common with Timothy McVeigh than Obama ever had/has with Bill Ayers.
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Post by The Captain on Dec 22, 2014 7:36:18 GMT -5
Thanks for this DJ! I had no idea (not that it matters but it's nice IMHO how many non-pedigreed presidents we used to have).
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 22, 2014 8:39:00 GMT -5
It was okay to be practically an ignoramus back in the OLDEN days but it doesn't cut it now.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 22, 2014 10:45:01 GMT -5
Thanks for this DJ! I had no idea (not that it matters but it's nice IMHO how many non-pedigreed presidents we used to have). yw. weird how this is never mentioned, isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 21:34:29 GMT -5
Well I don't know what would happen to a generic "white candidate". I do remember that time very well, and it was after our Caucus (like a Primary in our state) I thought he was probably through. I remember seeing the Co-Chair in the Hannaford's and she hadn't heard the story yet. "Not good" I told her grimly, and then briefly explained the debacle. I was quite sad, and angry that I had wasted my vote. (I had planned to vote for Clinton, and changed my mind almost at the last minute- something I rarely do)
Anyway, what probably saved him was the speech that he gave on race afterwards, right? I'm still not sure how he pulled it out. Maybe Americans are fairer than we give ourselves credit for. And just maybe, we had a hint about what the good reverend was actually saying too?
I think that Obama has been very good for race relations in this country, and I think we won't really recognize that for a while. It's not that he has done anything stellar (other than manage to claw to the top by becoming President!) but just by being a decent, smart, respectable leader he has declawed a lot of myths, and also given a role model to the black community at large. Cosby may be down right now, but he was right about one thing; more black kids have got to start thinking it is smart, if not cool, to succeed in whitey's world.
I thought you were talking about Obama until I got to that point... You must be talking about someone else, if you are going to include those descriptors. Or this one. I was never an Obama fan but even I was pretty hopeful that he would be helpful in making race relations better. Sorry to say I don't believe that has been the case at all .
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 22, 2014 21:46:23 GMT -5
I thought you were talking about Obama until I got to that point... You must be talking about someone else, if you are going to include those descriptors. Or this one. I was never an Obama fan but even I was pretty hopeful that he would be helpful in making race relations better. Sorry to say I don't believe that has been the case at all .
That is a very heavy burden to put on one man's shoulders. No one man or woman can change the hearts and minds of all. Even Jesus could not do that.
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