California court oks demands to hide the US flag...

[The Captain]

...to appease Mexicans.

www.cnn.com/2014/02/27/justice/california-school-american-flag-shirts/

"According to court documents, the incident occurred amid "ongoing racial tension and gang violence within the school, and after a near-violent altercation had erupted during the prior Cinco de Mayo over the display of an American flag."

After all, we can't be civil and celebrate a holiday without getting violent against the country we claim to love as our new "home"...

Yes, I'm using slightly inflammatory language on purpose, I.am.stunned at how low California has gone to kowtow to a minority group, just because they can't exhibit the same level of tolerance they demand of everyone else.

You reap what you sow.

[Deleted]

friggen Mexicans

[djAdvocate]

Feb 28, 2014 12:51:58 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

friggen Mexicans

...beaners...spics...wetbacks....how dare they celebrate mexican independence day?

(in case you are wondering, i am being sarcastic.)

[billisonboard]

A high school did not allow a small group of students to create an inflammatory situation. Is it unfortunate that teenagers can't be levelheaded? Sure.  But they be what they be. The court recognized that fact.

[The Captain]

I don't agree.  If someone wants to show pride in their country while someone else shows pride in their homeland (even if it's so crappy they don't want to live there) how is it right to choose one over the other?  

Subverting the US flag (national pride)  to foreign national's flags (disdaine of the US) all in the name of "PC" is wrong.

It is well known that when flying multiple national flags it is highly disrespectful is you fly any flag higher than the flag of the host country.  How in the hell is this any different?

[Deleted]

Feb 28, 2014 13:41:56 GMT -5 The Captain said:

I don't agree.  If someone wants to show pride in their country while someone else shows pride in their homeland (even if it's so crappy they don't want to live there) how is it right to choose one over the other?  

Subverting the US flag (national pride)  to foreign national's flags (disdaine of the US) all in the name of "PC" is wrong.

It is well known that when flying multiple national flags it is highly disrespectful is you fly any flag higher than the flag of the host country.  How in the hell is this any different?

In every way, expect it involved the likeness of a US flag on someone's shirt. 

[Deleted]

Feb 28, 2014 13:29:58 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

A high school did not allow a small group of students to create an inflammatory situation. Is it unfortunate that teenagers can't be levelheaded? Sure.  But they be what they be. The court recognized that fact.

So a student(s) in a school in California in the US is not allowed to wear a shirt with a US flag design on a Mexican holiday because it's inflammatory? I'm glad I don't live in California. (Really? A Mexican holiday?)  It was only a small group (like that means something)  Why weren't they all wearing US flag shirts?

[Deleted]

this is dead wrong

for so many damn reasons

i have zero issue with people who want to show pride in their heritage country

zero.....celebrate cinco de mayo.....no problem

BUT you live and go to school in the USA now.....

you may or may not be a citizen, but US and state taxes pay for that education and the school where you go to class

Telling one set of students that they cant display the American flag, because it might hurt the feelings of the mexican american students?   WTF

i dont care if it was a flag, a shirt, or a freaking pair of shorts

And if the administrators and faculty cant keep a lid on shit like this, i cant imagine what else is happening there

Being proud of your country is important.....and our country is a hodgepodge of people from nearly every corner of the globe

But once you are here.....and become a citizen.....one would hope that your allegiances change also

[billisonboard]

Feb 28, 2014 14:04:41 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

... Why weren't they all wearing US flag shirts?

Most likely because the wearing of US flag shirts is not normal attire for teens in schools. They don't get the attention teenagers wish for unless worn on a particular day and strutted about in a particular fashion.

[Deleted]

Feb 28, 2014 14:16:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Feb 28, 2014 14:04:41 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

... Why weren't they all wearing US flag shirts?

Most likely because the wearing of US flag shirts is not normal attire for teens in schools. They don't get the attention teenagers wish for unless worn on a particular day and strutted about in a particular fashion.

Since the US is a person of Mexican heritage choice of country to live in, they should be strutting around in US flag shirts also, right? Think of the attention they would recieve from the other Mexican students if that was the reason for wearing one. No?

[Phoenix84]

Feb 28, 2014 13:04:10 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 28, 2014 12:51:58 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

friggen Mexicans

...beaners...spics...wetbacks....how dare they celebrate mexican independence day?

(in case you are wondering, i am being sarcastic.)

I don't think anyone cares if they celebrate it, but I guess it's too much to ask for them to be tolerant enough to respect the country their in, and their flag.

[workpublic]

let the kids fight it out.

[Deleted]

Security or freedom.

Security is the answer for most these days it seems.

[Phoenix84]

"And if the administrators and faculty can't keep a lid on shit like this, I can't imagine what else is happening there."

That's my thoughts as well.  It's pretty telling of the competence of the administrators and faculty if they can't keep the school from erupting into a warzone.

[billisonboard]

Mar 1, 2014 16:49:09 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

"And if the administrators and faculty can't keep a lid on shit like this, I can't imagine what else is happening there."

That's my thoughts as well.  It's pretty telling of the competence of the administrators and faculty if they can't keep the school from erupting into a warzone.

I am sure they appreciate you recognizing their competence.

[Phoenix84]

Mar 1, 2014 16:54:57 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Mar 1, 2014 16:49:09 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

"And if the administrators and faculty can't keep a lid on shit like this, I can't imagine what else is happening there."

That's my thoughts as well.  It's pretty telling of the competence of the administrators and faculty if they can't keep the school from erupting into a warzone.

I am sure they appreciate you recognizing their competence.

More like lack there of.

[billisonboard]

Mar 1, 2014 16:49:09 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

"And if the administrators and faculty can't keep a lid on shit like this, I can't imagine what else is happening there."

That's my thoughts as well.  It's pretty telling of the competence of the administrators and faculty if they can't keep the school from erupting into a warzone.

Mar 1, 2014 17:01:07 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

Mar 1, 2014 16:54:57 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I am sure they appreciate you recognizing their competence.

More like lack there of.

The fact that the school did not erupt into a war zone is "pretty telling of the competence of the administrators and faculty." You set the criteria for what would show competence. It was met.

[Tennesseer]

Mar 1, 2014 16:40:53 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

Feb 28, 2014 13:04:10 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

...beaners...spics...wetbacks....how dare they celebrate mexican independence day?

(in case you are wondering, i am being sarcastic.)

I don't think anyone cares if they celebrate it, but I guess it's too much to ask for them to be tolerant enough to respect the country their in, and their flag.

So is ìt safe to assume you do not condone the Irish flag being waved by thousands during St. Patrick's day parades in the U.S.?

[Deleted]

Mar 1, 2014 19:06:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Mar 1, 2014 16:40:53 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I don't think anyone cares if they celebrate it, but I guess it's too much to ask for them to be tolerant enough to respect the country their in, and their flag.

So is ìt safe to assume you do not condone the Irish flag being waved by thousands during St. Patrick's day parades in the U.S.?

That is different.  The Irish are practically white these days.

[grits]

Isn't this the same court that ruled the pledge of allegiance was unconstitutional? 

[Tennesseer]

Mar 1, 2014 21:10:18 GMT -5 grits said:

Isn't this the same court that ruled the pledge of allegiance was unconstitutional? 

The Pledge of Allegiance itself being ìllegal or forcing someone to say the pledge?  You have a constitutional right not to say the Pledge of Allegiance.

[cereb]

Feb 28, 2014 13:41:56 GMT -5 The Captain said:

I don't agree.  If someone wants to show pride in their country while someone else shows pride in their homeland (even if it's so crappy they don't want to live there) how is it right to choose one over the other?  

Subverting the US flag (national pride)  to foreign national's flags (disdaine of the US) all in the name of "PC" is wrong.

It is well known that when flying multiple national flags it is highly disrespectful is you fly any flag higher than the flag of the host country.  How in the hell is this any different?

Bottom line is it doesn't matter if it's a flag, a bandana, a colored hat. It's on the school administration to keep kids safe and if this is what they needed to do, the court recognizes that the school had a duty to do so. It isn't about a flag, it's about teenagers who are often unreasonable, hormonal and behavioral.

[grits]

Mar 1, 2014 21:22:40 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Mar 1, 2014 21:10:18 GMT -5 grits said:

Isn't this the same court that ruled the pledge of allegiance was unconstitutional? 

The Pledge of Allegiance itself being ìllegal or forcing someone to say the pledge?  You have a constitutional right not to say the Pledge of Allegiance.

The pledge itself. A man who did not have custody of his daughter sued. He was doing it to get back at her mother. The Supreme Court ruled against him.

[Tennesseer]

grits -

Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow

Newdow is best known for the lawsuit which he states was filed on behalf of his daughter against inclusion of the words "under God" in public schools' recitals of the United States' Pledge of Allegiance.[citation needed] The United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit found that the phrase constitutes an endorsement of religion, and therefore violates the Establishment Clause of theFirst Amendment to the United States Constitution.

However, the decision was later overruled by the Supreme Court of the United States on procedural grounds, citing that Newdow did not havecustody of his daughter and therefore did not have the right to bring suit on her behalf, nor did he meet the Court's prudential standing requirements to bring the suit on behalf of himself.

Newdow filed suit again in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of California regarding the same issue, but this time on behalf of three unnamed parents and their children. Citing theprecedent set by the Supreme Court in the course of Newdow's previous suit, Judge Lawrence K. Karlton ruled that Newdow did not have standing to bring his lawsuit,[10] but the other plaintiffs did have standing. Based on the previous ruling by the Ninth Circuit, the judge ruled that the pledge is unconstitutional when recited in public schools.[11][12]

On March 11, 2010, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit upheld the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance in the case of Newdow v. Rio Linda Union School District.[13] On page 60 of the ruling the court writes: "We hold that the California Education Code - 52720 and the School District's policy having teachers lead students in the recitation of the Pledge, and having those who do not wish to participate do so with impunity, do not violate the Establishment Clause. Therefore we reverse the decision of the district court holding that the School District's policy is unconstitutional and vacate the permanent injunction prohibiting the recitation of the Pledge by willing students." The court also ruled against Newdow in that he had no prudential standing to file a complaint in the first place. Senior Circuit Judge Dorothy W. Nelson joined Judge Carlos T. Bea in the ruling, but Judge Stephen Reinhardt dissented.

Michael Newdow

[grits]

Mar 1, 2014 21:40:49 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

grits -

Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow

Newdow is best known for the lawsuit which he states was filed on behalf of his daughter against inclusion of the words "under God" in public schools' recitals of the United States' Pledge of Allegiance.[citation needed] The United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit found that the phrase constitutes an endorsement of religion, and therefore violates the Establishment Clause of theFirst Amendment to the United States Constitution.

However, the decision was later overruled by the Supreme Court of the United States on procedural grounds, citing that Newdow did not havecustody of his daughter and therefore did not have the right to bring suit on her behalf, nor did he meet the Court's prudential standing requirements to bring the suit on behalf of himself.

Newdow filed suit again in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of California regarding the same issue, but this time on behalf of three unnamed parents and their children. Citing theprecedent set by the Supreme Court in the course of Newdow's previous suit, Judge Lawrence K. Karlton ruled that Newdow did not have standing to bring his lawsuit,[10] but the other plaintiffs did have standing. Based on the previous ruling by the Ninth Circuit, the judge ruled that the pledge is unconstitutional when recited in public schools.[11][12]

On March 11, 2010, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit upheld the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance in the case of Newdow v. Rio Linda Union School District.[13] On page 60 of the ruling the court writes: "We hold that the California Education Code - 52720 and the School District's policy having teachers lead students in the recitation of the Pledge, and having those who do not wish to participate do so with impunity, do not violate the Establishment Clause. Therefore we reverse the decision of the district court holding that the School District's policy is unconstitutional and vacate the permanent injunction prohibiting the recitation of the Pledge by willing students." The court also ruled against Newdow in that he had no prudential standing to file a complaint in the first place. Senior Circuit Judge Dorothy W. Nelson joined Judge Carlos T. Bea in the ruling, but Judge Stephen Reinhardt dissented.

Michael Newdow

I was very familiar with the case.  I did not wish to google it to find out which court had ruled against the pledge.  It is why I asked.  I knew someone would find out. The case lead to an uprising of public opinion against the initial ruling.

I have a feeling the case of the tshirts is going up to the Supreme Court too.  It just depends on whether or not the Rutherford Institute chooses to press on with it.  

[Tennesseer]

LOL!  Whatever floats your boat grits.  

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

As I've said before, read about Rome's downfall, they did the same where they were no more able to have an identity as a country

.



When was Rome ever a country?

[AGB]

Mar 1, 2014 21:25:48 GMT -5 cereb said:

Feb 28, 2014 13:41:56 GMT -5 The Captain said:

I don't agree.  If someone wants to show pride in their country while someone else shows pride in their homeland (even if it's so crappy they don't want to live there) how is it right to choose one over the other?  

Subverting the US flag (national pride)  to foreign national's flags (disdaine of the US) all in the name of "PC" is wrong.

It is well known that when flying multiple national flags it is highly disrespectful is you fly any flag higher than the flag of the host country.  How in the hell is this any different?

Bottom line is it doesn't matter if it's a flag, a bandana, a colored hat. It's on the school administration to keep kids safe and if this is what they needed to do, the court recognizes that the school had a duty to do so. It isn't about a flag, it's about teenagers who are often unreasonable, hormonal and behavioral.

Then expel those who threaten violence to suppress a Constitutional right.

They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

[cereb]

Mar 1, 2014 21:59:44 GMT -5 AGB said:

Mar 1, 2014 21:25:48 GMT -5 cereb said:

Bottom line is it doesn't matter if it's a flag, a bandana, a colored hat. It's on the school administration to keep kids safe and if this is what they needed to do, the court recognizes that the school had a duty to do so. It isn't about a flag, it's about teenagers who are often unreasonable, hormonal and behavioral.

Then expel those who threaten violence to suppress a Constitutional right.

They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

It's a school full of teenagers. They could give two shits about the American flag, the only reason they do it is to piss off others and start shit. You really want the American flag used for that? I don't.


You really are not supporting their Constitutional rights of anything at all. You are supporting their right to be punks and perverse use of the flag.

[cereb]

This is no different than white kids showing up at school with rebel flags on their shirts to piss of the black kids. I don't see what is so hard to understand about this. it has nothing to do with the flag, it's the intent behind the action of displaying it.