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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 25, 2012 18:28:14 GMT -5
Finnish families have three times the median net worth of American families, not three times the average income.
The US is so polarized in terms of wealth that statistical averages are becoming increasingly worthless as measures of central tendency. A single American billionaire might "average out" a million or more poor Americans.
The median is often a far more robust measure of central tendency, but much harder to work with statistically.
Optimists in the US will want to look at averages rather than medians, because the US invariably looks much better per the former.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 18:30:11 GMT -5
I said to son, you've played portal right.., he said yeah, in fact it's one of his favorites. He asked why I asked... I told him the cake thing and he laughed like crazy...
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 25, 2012 18:32:11 GMT -5
It's a thinking person's game. I don't know why schools wouldn't have it as one of the games on computers for a half-hour study break.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 25, 2012 18:44:48 GMT -5
You're missing the other part of the equation, Finlind is also a wealthy country. So not only do you have to take just Whites, you also have to take whites who average three times the national average in income.
Do that and get back to me. ----------------- OK, riddle me this.....Canada and the US have almost the same percentage of visible minorities. We don't make three times the average income of Americans, and yet we're chewing you up and spitting you out academically. Face it; your system is broken.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 25, 2012 18:57:17 GMT -5
It's a thinking person's game. I don't know why schools wouldn't have it as one of the games on computers for a half-hour study break. I'm surprised at that, as well, Virgil. Sometimes, a game can offer just as much challenge to a young person as some boring test, and the kid will actually enjoy the process of learning. If they don't learn to think, to plan, and to think in the abstract, all the "book l'arnin'" in the world is useless.
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Post by Don Perignon on Sept 25, 2012 19:49:52 GMT -5
I suppose it was always just a matter of time until some people started equating "Grand Theft Auto" with "book-l'arnin' ".
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 25, 2012 19:51:32 GMT -5
Heh. Portal isn't Grand Theft Auto, Don. Not even close.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 20:02:41 GMT -5
We're all minecraft all the time around here lately....
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 25, 2012 20:05:18 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure my grandson plays minecraft, oped. I don't game anymore, but used to enjoy some of the games. Portal was a good one for making one think in several "directions".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 20:06:17 GMT -5
You'd be amazed what games actually teach. I was going through the topics in earth and physical science i didn't think we'd covered lately/with enough depth, and realized, you know i don't think i've ever said the word biome ... ever... but that's ok, minecraft took care of it...
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 25, 2012 21:28:25 GMT -5
Maybe. But the fact that 15-year-olds aren't passing that PISA survey with flying colours is a travesty. .. ... What exactly are US schools teaching in math class if 76% of Californian students can't answer these questions? What is the incentive for 15 year olds taking the PISA survey to put forth effort to mark correct answers?
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 25, 2012 22:48:59 GMT -5
There have always been a small handful of individuals who have accomplished great things. This is true in all fields of human endeavor. Why don't all painters simply implement the ONE HUNDRED THIRTY YEAR OLD ideas of van Gogh to all paint masterpieces; musicians the TWO HUNDRED YEAR OLD ideas of Beethoven to write beautiful music?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 25, 2012 23:31:11 GMT -5
There have always been a small handful of individuals who have accomplished great things. This is true in all fields of human endeavor. Why don't all painters simply implement the ONE HUNDRED THIRTY YEAR OLD ideas of van Gogh to all paint masterpieces; musicians the TWO HUNDRED YEAR OLD ideas of Beethoven to write beautiful music? but Cullum wasn't an artist. he was an educator. truthfully, MANY of his ideas HAVE been used. just not in public schools. and i think we are all the worse for it. my point was simply this: here is a model that was created RIGHT HERE IN THE US. it is not Finland. it is New York. i dunno. for all of our maverickyness, we sure seem to like our pablum.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 25, 2012 23:36:56 GMT -5
There have always been a small handful of individuals who have accomplished great things. This is true in all fields of human endeavor. Why don't all painters simply implement the ONE HUNDRED THIRTY YEAR OLD ideas of van Gogh to all paint masterpieces; musicians the TWO HUNDRED YEAR OLD ideas of Beethoven to write beautiful music? but Cullum wasn't an artist. he was an educator. ... “"When you wake up in the morning, Pooh," said Piglet at last, "what's the first thing you say to yourself?" "What's for breakfast?" said Pooh. "What do you say, Piglet?" "I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?" said Piglet. Pooh nodded thoughtfully. "It's the same thing," he said.” thinkexist.com/quotation/when-you-wake-up-in-the-morning-pooh-said-piglet/411726.html
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 26, 2012 1:05:49 GMT -5
but Cullum wasn't an artist. he was an educator. ... “"When you wake up in the morning, Pooh," said Piglet at last, "what's the first thing you say to yourself?" "What's for breakfast?" said Pooh. "What do you say, Piglet?" "I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?" said Piglet. Pooh nodded thoughtfully. "It's the same thing," he said.” thinkexist.com/quotation/when-you-wake-up-in-the-morning-pooh-said-piglet/411726.html i don't think artists and educators are all that closely related. particularly ones like Callum. Callum's objective was to proselytize his method- to have as many people practicing it as possible. to teach OTHER teachers. and to that end, he went out of public school and into academia in Boston, and his methods were widely taught. there are probably hundreds of teachers that use his method, as a result. i am not sure that Picasso ever taught a painting class. but if he did, you can be damned sure that he was not looking for any more Picasso's.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 26, 2012 4:07:50 GMT -5
i don't think artists and educators are all that closely related. particularly ones like Callum. Callum's objective was to proselytize his method- to have as many people practicing it as possible. to teach OTHER teachers. and to that end, he went out of public school and into academia in Boston, and his methods were widely taught. there are probably hundreds of teachers that use his method, as a result. i am not sure that Picasso ever taught a painting class. but if he did, you can be damned sure that he was not looking for any more Picasso's. I note that you switched from educators to teachers. I would agree that teachers and artists are not that closely related. But educators, they are artists. ... the classroom of teacher Albert Cullum. He had an intuitive sense of what worked in education, regularly incorporating teaching methods from project learning to social emotional learning, long before they had academic labels.
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An unrequited actor, Cullum infused his passion for literature, storytelling and movement into his teaching. ... www.edutopia.org/blog/albert-cullum-a-touch-of-greatness I particularly liked this from the same link as above: And when David Pugh, from Cullum's class of 1959, recalls what a troublemaker he was back then, Cullum surprises him by revealing a secret. "Let it be known that I traded you," says Cullum to a roar of laughter, telling the boy he was scheduled for another teacher, "And I said, 'No, give me that kid and I'll give you two dull ones.'" Should his fellow teachers have used his method on the students he rejected as not appropriate for him to teach?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 26, 2012 12:25:28 GMT -5
i don't think artists and educators are all that closely related. particularly ones like Callum. Callum's objective was to proselytize his method- to have as many people practicing it as possible. to teach OTHER teachers. and to that end, he went out of public school and into academia in Boston, and his methods were widely taught. there are probably hundreds of teachers that use his method, as a result. i am not sure that Picasso ever taught a painting class. but if he did, you can be damned sure that he was not looking for any more Picasso's. I note that you switched from educators to teachers. i don't draw any distinction between the two. do you?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 26, 2012 12:27:43 GMT -5
i don't think artists and educators are all that closely related. particularly ones like Callum. Callum's objective was to proselytize his method- to have as many people practicing it as possible. to teach OTHER teachers. and to that end, he went out of public school and into academia in Boston, and his methods were widely taught. there are probably hundreds of teachers that use his method, as a result. i am not sure that Picasso ever taught a painting class. but if he did, you can be damned sure that he was not looking for any more Picasso's. I note that you switched from educators to teachers. I would agree that teachers and artists are not that closely related. But educators, they are artists. ... the classroom of teacher Albert Cullum. He had an intuitive sense of what worked in education, regularly incorporating teaching methods from project learning to social emotional learning, long before they had academic labels.
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An unrequited actor, Cullum infused his passion for literature, storytelling and movement into his teaching. ... www.edutopia.org/blog/albert-cullum-a-touch-of-greatness I particularly liked this from the same link as above: And when David Pugh, from Cullum's class of 1959, recalls what a troublemaker he was back then, Cullum surprises him by revealing a secret. "Let it be known that I traded you," says Cullum to a roar of laughter, telling the boy he was scheduled for another teacher, "And I said, 'No, give me that kid and I'll give you two dull ones.'" Should his fellow teachers have used his method on the students he rejected as not appropriate for him to teach? not following your question. my only point was that there are lots of home grown teaching methods that have been tried successfully on the heterogeneous American school system. we could model a program after THEM if we had the will to do so. i think that the excuse machine is actually coming from those that have no interest in primary education.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 26, 2012 13:25:18 GMT -5
I note that you switched from educators to teachers. i don't draw any distinction between the two. do you? Always. Just like I draw a distinction between schooling and education.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 26, 2012 13:32:14 GMT -5
i don't draw any distinction between the two. do you? Always. Just like I draw a distinction between schooling and education. i don't really know the difference between those, either. can we go back to "teacher" -vs- "educator"? what is the difference to you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 14:32:56 GMT -5
I never let my schooling get in the way of my education. Mark Twain
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 26, 2012 14:53:20 GMT -5
I never let my schooling get in the way of my education. Mark Twain i don't really use the word "schooling". seems kinda antiquated to me. do you draw a distinction between "educators" and "teachers", oped?
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 26, 2012 14:59:27 GMT -5
... not following your question. my only point was that there are lots of home grown teaching methods that have been tried successfully on the heterogeneous American school system. we could model a program after THEM if we had the will to do so. ... “Whatever it takes” is an attitude that drives not just Kirkkojarvi’s 30 teachers, but most of Finland’s 62,000 educators in 3,500 schools from Lapland to Turku—professionals selected from the top 10 percent of the nation’s graduates to earn a required master’s degree in education. ... If one method fails, teachers consult with colleagues to try something else.
Read more: www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/Why-Are-Finlands-Schools-Successful.html#ixzz27bsKHaoX
You are indicating that the success is in the method. It is my position that the success is a result of high energy individuals passionately giving their all carrying out what they believe in.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 26, 2012 15:02:41 GMT -5
... not following your question. my only point was that there are lots of home grown teaching methods that have been tried successfully on the heterogeneous American school system. we could model a program after THEM if we had the will to do so. ... “Whatever it takes” is an attitude that drives not just Kirkkojarvi’s 30 teachers, but most of Finland’s 62,000 educators in 3,500 schools from Lapland to Turku—professionals selected from the top 10 percent of the nation’s graduates to earn a required master’s degree in education. ... If one method fails, teachers consult with colleagues to try something else.
Read more: www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/Why-Are-Finlands-Schools-Successful.html#ixzz27bsKHaoX
You are indicating that the success is in the method. It is my position that the success is a result of high energy individuals passionately giving their all carrying out what they believe in. hard to believe in failure, wouldn't you say?
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 26, 2012 15:05:48 GMT -5
Always. Just like I draw a distinction between schooling and education. i don't really know the difference between those, either. can we go back to "teacher" -vs- "educator"? what is the difference to you? Teachers do a great job of taking attendance, have great seating charts, their lesson plan books are all up to date, grade books are neat and tidy, etc. Principals love them. Educators, less so in all of that. Teachers teach math, and/or science, etc. Educators help human beings develop.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 26, 2012 15:06:51 GMT -5
“Whatever it takes” is an attitude that drives not just Kirkkojarvi’s 30 teachers, but most of Finland’s 62,000 educators in 3,500 schools from Lapland to Turku—professionals selected from the top 10 percent of the nation’s graduates to earn a required master’s degree in education. ... If one method fails, teachers consult with colleagues to try something else.
Read more: www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/Why-Are-Finlands-Schools-Successful.html#ixzz27bsKHaoX
You are indicating that the success is in the method. It is my position that the success is a result of high energy individuals passionately giving their all carrying out what they believe in. hard to believe in failure, wouldn't you say? No.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 26, 2012 15:11:35 GMT -5
hard to believe in failure, wouldn't you say? No. really? you think it is easy to believe in failure? edit: my point is this: if the METHOD produces bad results, nobody is going to believe in it, including instructors. maybe especially instructors.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 26, 2012 15:13:03 GMT -5
i don't really know the difference between those, either. can we go back to "teacher" -vs- "educator"? what is the difference to you? Teachers do a great job of taking attendance, have great seating charts, their lesson plan books are all up to date, grade books are neat and tidy, etc. Principals love them. Educators, less so in all of that. Teachers teach math, and/or science, etc. Educators help human beings develop. hmm, ok. when i think teacher, i think of the person standing in front of a classroom. when i think educator, i think of the person standing in front of the classroom. in other words, although i think the verbs are somewhat different, i think the nouns are identical. but i guess it is just me. edit: no, it is not just me. here is how freedictionary defines educator: ed·u·ca·tor (j-ktr) n. 1. One trained in teaching; a teacher.
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