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Post by gavinsnana on Feb 9, 2012 13:34:18 GMT -5
Drama, the worst offenders that were straight A kids.. I am sure had parents that were not involved in what they were doing. That is a huge problem today.
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Post by swasat on Feb 9, 2012 13:35:06 GMT -5
One of the bigger reasons that I'm hearing from parents who home school is that they believe that the schools are pushing the kids too hard, to fast, causing stress and burn out. Home schooled kids don't have hours of home work in the evening and are allowed to get out, get exercise and just be kids. Of all the kids I know who are home schooled, not one is on a mind altering drug. Hey Lone, just saw your post. I agree. I think that teachers give them way too much homework. I remember my kids up late trying to get it all done. I complained, but.. to no avail. Funny you say that. Because I feel that kids get a lot LESS homework these days. NCLB and all its rules..... I feel we used to get way more homework than what kids get these days.
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Post by swamp on Feb 9, 2012 13:36:22 GMT -5
Drama, the worst offenders that were straight A kids.. I am sure had parents that were not involved in what they were doing. That is a huge problem today. Or they have parents that think their little Brandon or Ashley would never do something like that.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 9, 2012 13:38:39 GMT -5
I am sure had parents that were not involved in what they were doing. That is a huge problem today.
I thought it was because they were in public school?
I am confused becasuse are you saying that public school kids with parental involvement wouldn't be bad kids?
Which is what I really think this whole debate boils down to, being an involved parent with your kid.
I figure either way someone somewhere is going to think I am a crappy parent no matter what I do, my goal isn't to get approval from others it is to raise my kid.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 9, 2012 13:39:12 GMT -5
Talk to any intelligent person who didn't do well in school, and most will tell you that being popular and avoiding abuse were a huge factor in their decision to slack off. The avoiding abuse thing can be integrated with the popular thing. When I was popular, I knew a lot of the big teens or the good fighters(drop outs included, yes drop outs are intertwined with active students in the social circle). Knowing those people kept me from being abused, it was quite fun being tangled in the web of high school social manipulation(story for another time /sigh). I considered myself intelligent, but I wouldn't consider it slacking off that I did. I was bored with the material and excessive homework they made me do. I was able to pickup the material in the classroom then score really good on test. The thing that got me was the social experience and how it intrigued me. The social experience was more fun than school and that is what I see is the problem a lot of children experience, just maybe not to the level I did but it still is enough to distract them.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 9, 2012 13:40:07 GMT -5
They get more homework because the teachers can't teach in class because they're too busy prepping kids for the almighty tests. As far as religious schools, I want a certified teacher not someone certified in Abeka curriculum or some other such nonsense. We got students from these religious schools, not just Catholic ones btw, and they were way behind public school at that time. But they were definitely sheltered.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 9, 2012 13:41:28 GMT -5
Talk to any intelligent person who didn't do well in school, and most will tell you that being popular and avoiding abuse were a huge factor in their decision to slack off. I am assuming you will be sending your boys to a private school or homeschool them? Yep. I have a lot of good and affordable choices where I'm living, at least up until 8th grade.
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Post by jupe36 on Feb 9, 2012 13:43:00 GMT -5
You do not have to be affluent to home-school, but you do have to be willing to do with less. None of the homeschooling families I know have much money. They live very modestly so that one parent can stay home.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 9, 2012 13:43:09 GMT -5
And kids who don't get support at home are a heck of a lot more likely to be swayed by peer pressure.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 9, 2012 13:46:05 GMT -5
yeah, but it is easier to get drugs going to public schools than it is home schooling Not if you know where to look. Some of the worst offenders in my school for all this stuff were straight A kids and band kids. It's the perfect cover, who is going to suspect such outstanding people to be smoking pot behind Subway during lunch? Meanwhile some of the most mild mannered, well behaved kids were those weirdo goth kids whose appearance suggests they aren't going anywhere. That stuff makes me think about how I need to be careful not to get too wrapped up in making sure DD is surrounded by what I consider to be the "right" crowd of people. Because when you scratch underneath the surface sometimes there is a whole lot of ugly to be found. I need to do what my parents did and assess her friends on a case by case basis. That includes on line. DH disagrees with me but I fully plan on spying on DD when she is old enough to use the computer on her own. People reveal all sorts of stupid shit on social media when they don't think others are looking. Remind me never to move wherever it is Former went to school at, Jesus Christ. I never distinguished between bad and good kids. I said home school and public school. I am not embarrassed to say it, when I was selling drugs I can promise you that more than 95% of the kids were in public school. I agree with you assessing your children's friends on a per basis. Very smart move.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 9, 2012 13:46:33 GMT -5
And kids who don't get support at home are a heck of a lot more likely to be swayed by peer pressure.
But how would homeschooling avoid that? If they have no support at home who is to stop them from going down the street to Johnny's house and smoking the parents' stash?
That is what I don't get. If you have no support network you are going to be vulnerable no matter how you are schooled.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 9, 2012 13:46:47 GMT -5
And kids who don't get support at home are a heck of a lot more likely to be swayed by peer pressure. I agree with that.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 9, 2012 13:50:32 GMT -5
I said home school and public school
I know.
I just don't buy into that homeschooled kids are a safer group to be around and it could be a dangerous trap for me to fall into as a parent (not saying you do personally).
I can see it lulling some parents into a false sense of security because you'd never suspect what is really going on at "Bible study".
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 9, 2012 13:51:20 GMT -5
And kids who don't get support at home are a heck of a lot more likely to be swayed by peer pressure. But how would homeschooling avoid that? If they have no support at home who is to stop them from going down the street to Johnny's house and smoking the parents' stash? That is what I don't get. If you have no support network you are going to be vulnerable no matter how you are schooled. yeah, well if the parents give poor support then your right they could go down the street. I still think the social possibilities at public school will give greater chances to be swayed. When you go to public schools you are still influenced by bullies, in home schooling you more than like to just have friends.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 9, 2012 13:52:36 GMT -5
Some smart kids don't do well in school because they're more interested in socializing and having fun. Some don't do well because they're just plain lazy and would rather sit and play video games. Some don't do well because they don't have any sort of guidance from home, and haven't been raised to understand the value of education and a strong work ethic. Then, there are those who are just plain bored stupid. I didn't do all that well in high school because I was bored. I wasn't interested in what the other kids were doing and tended to follow my own path. Once I got to university, I found a whole, new world and was able to excel because there were so many choices, and such a broad selection of materials into which to investigate. There are probably almost as many reasons why smart kids don't reach their potential as there are kids who don't reach their potential. Because I was bored doesn't mean every high school student is bored, just as all kids aren't bullied, or lazy, or lacking in parental guidance.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 9, 2012 13:53:17 GMT -5
Down here in Texas, most all Private Schools have a dress code.
Many of the Houston schools as well, because of gangs. I think its a good idea.
Saves $$$$ on wardrobes
------------------------------ Many of our public schools have dress codes. My son went to Marymount Academy, a public school. White shirt with logo, dark grey dress pants, navy blue sweater or jacket. It couldn't be ANY blue or white clothes...the rules were strictly enforced. Great school. I've never met anyone who was homeschooled. It's not big up here.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 9, 2012 13:54:31 GMT -5
that really depends on the school. there is no way we could accomplish in 2 hours what happens in a day at my son's school. no....way. Seriously. It's being done. The kids sit down, open their computers work for an hour, take a couple of hours to play and then back to the computers for another hour. Of course this isn't their only means of learning. There are many fun hands on projects and field trips. my son is learning Latin, Mandarin, Spanish, as well as studying Math, Literature, History and Science - oh, and taking cello lessons and theatre. how does that sound like a day at home? as i say, there is NO WAY i could teach him as much as he is learning in his school, but i know that he is in an exceptional school.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 9, 2012 13:57:04 GMT -5
that really depends on the school. there is no way we could accomplish in 2 hours what happens in a day at my son's school. no....way. I wouldn't be so sure DJ. i would. i said WE could not accomplish what they do. i know myself and my wife. there is.....no......way.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 9, 2012 13:58:22 GMT -5
That you are.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 9, 2012 13:58:23 GMT -5
Seriously. It's being done. The kids sit down, open their computers work for an hour, take a couple of hours to play and then back to the computers for another hour. Of course this isn't their only means of learning. There are many fun hands on projects and field trips. I agree, its what I've been told by a mom who homeschools 4 children. really? do they know Mandarin? can they play cello?
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 9, 2012 13:59:21 GMT -5
I said home school and public schoolI know. I just don't buy into that homeschooled kids are a safer group to be around and it could be a dangerous trap for me to fall into as a parent (not saying you do personally). I can see it lulling some parents into a false sense of security because you'd never suspect what is really going on at "Bible study". Home schooled kids won't have as many contact situation with bullies, hence that in itself will make them safer. Now I know if the parents are completely oblivious from teaching them morals, reasoning and about the outside world then homeschooling could also turn into a disaster. As a parent though you have more of the ability to know most of their friends. When I was growing up, I would say that my parents knew probably 15 of my 2500 friends.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 9, 2012 13:59:45 GMT -5
When you go to public schools you are still influenced by bullies, in home schooling you more than like to just have friends. Not quite sure I buy that because assholes are assholes no matter where you go and there is usually at least one of them in every group. Especially with social media nowadays it's really easy to end up in a social drama you never intended to get into. Just look at P&M. I suppose I can swallow that if you homeschool you are possibly more on top of who your kid is hanging out with and the nature of the group. But I think you can do that with public school as well.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 9, 2012 14:02:11 GMT -5
Seriously. It's being done. The kids sit down, open their computers work for an hour, take a couple of hours to play and then back to the computers for another hour. Of course this isn't their only means of learning. There are many fun hands on projects and field trips. my son is learning Latin, Mandarin, Spanish, as well as studying Math, Literature, History and Science - oh, and taking cello lessons and theatre. how does that sound like a day at home? as i say, there is NO WAY i could teach him as much as he is learning in his school, but i know that he is in an exceptional school. Dj, your son is in a private school right?
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Post by jupe36 on Feb 9, 2012 14:02:35 GMT -5
Zibazinski-interesting observation about religious schools. Our high school sending district incorporates several catholic schools and my kids (public school) always said that the catholic school kids were generally better students (better study habits-always prepared for class etc. etc.) I'd imagine it all depends on the area in which you live and the particular schools. And I agree with the homework theory-speaking to several retired teachers they commented that they always felt if they needed to give a lot of homework, they weren't doing an adequate job of teaching in their classroom.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 9, 2012 14:03:19 GMT -5
One of the bigger reasons that I'm hearing from parents who home school is that they believe that the schools are pushing the kids too hard, to fast, causing stress and burn out. Home schooled kids don't have hours of home work in the evening and are allowed to get out, get exercise and just be kids. Of all the kids I know who are home schooled, not one is on a mind altering drug. of all the kids i know in public school, not one is on a mind altering drug. that shows how anecdotal evidence is hardly reliable in a nutshell.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 9, 2012 14:03:37 GMT -5
The bigger the school, the harder it is to keep track. I knew all of my kids friends and their parents in elem. middle school much harder and high school nearly impossible.
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 9, 2012 14:04:23 GMT -5
There is a lot that goes into home schooling. There are plenty of first class materials that are availible on the computer. But the parent or parents must have the ability to communicate the subject matter to the child. The missing element is the social factor but to off set this there are groups that form to have social events for the home schooled. The success or failure is dependent in part on the parent to be able to maintain disapline and rigid study times. In the 1800's many were home schooled in the rural areas.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 9, 2012 14:04:47 GMT -5
Frankly, idiot parents breed idiot children and the school isn't going to fix that. It is more like idiot parents pass their idiot skills onto their children. Breeding might have something(I wouldn't say a whole lot) to do with their capability, but I think you can teach the majority of children to be smart. kids are pretty much naturally smart, ime. the trick is to not teach them to be dumb.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 9, 2012 14:04:55 GMT -5
Sometimes it's because parents who pay have skin in the game that their students do better in school.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 9, 2012 14:07:27 GMT -5
When you go to public schools you are still influenced by bullies, in home schooling you more than like to just have friends. Not quite sure I buy that because assholes are assholes no matter where you go and there is usually at least one of them in every group. Especially with social media nowadays it's really easy to end up in a social drama you never intended to get into. Just look at P&M. I suppose I can swallow that if you homeschool you are possibly more on top of who your kid is hanging out with and the nature of the group. But I think you can do that with public school as well. Not saying that you can't do that in public schools, but good luck with that. If my parents tried to keep up with my friends they would have had heart attacks. Dang the PM boards and them making me cry............... ;D
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