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Post by cranberry49 on Feb 9, 2012 20:51:17 GMT -5
Shoot! I dunno what's wrong...Oh, well...
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Post by zipity on Feb 9, 2012 20:59:19 GMT -5
Hum..... first birth control now gay marriage..........
Use this as a guage to how far off the presidential election is, when the list includes abortion and gun laws you'll know it's time to vote.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 21:08:57 GMT -5
For myself I really don't think it's my place to judge what others do as long as it does not affect the health or safety of others or the public at large. Homosexuality has some concerning aspects that could IMO cross that line but for debating purposes lets just assume proper protection and treatment has eliminated the threat of HIV... Your health concerns are about 20 years out of date, rockon.
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Post by kittensaver on Feb 9, 2012 21:28:54 GMT -5
"But at the same time, I don't feel anyone should impose their views upon a Church when it goes against their teachings." But it's okay for religious groups to come into the political arena and impose their teachings on people in our pluralistic society who aren't a part of the church or the belief system? (ban abortion, ban birth control, ban sex education in schools, re-write science/creationism, ban gay marriage . . .) "Be happy in life and love the one your with.. " . . . and don't worry about their civil rights and liberties, because you've already got yours inherent in the religion-sanctioned relationship with someone whose genitals are opposite of you . . .
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Post by humok on Feb 9, 2012 21:35:33 GMT -5
Hmmmmm...several posters have said it is against the Constitution to ban Gay marriage. Tell me where that is because I have read it many times and have never seen it or are you just reading that into it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 22:30:05 GMT -5
It's not that we're reading that into the Constitution, it's that the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is interpreting the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment to mean that you can't exclude gay people from marriage on the grounds that they are gay.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 10, 2012 9:01:07 GMT -5
Florida Yankee to answer your question about why the gay life style does not sit well with me. I had three very good friends that were gay. One was a team mate on a softball team, another was a hospital bio-med specialist who I had a lot of contact with in doing business in hospitals. The third was a department head in a hospital. I never judged them. Guess where they are all now. The oldest was in his early forties when he died. From what? Aids. A sad end to three bright young men. That's understandable handy and to a degree, I agree. It is hard to lose friends, but who am I to judge someone elses lifestyle choices? That is what freedom of choice is all about. Your friend died a senseless death, yes. But, the way I see it, anybody can die a senseless death from a whole plethora of reasons. I'm going on a ride with several friends and I may just die a senseless death tomorrow. Life kills.....You never know.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 10, 2012 9:04:29 GMT -5
Hum..... first birth control now gay marriage.......... I guess this is the last push to get rid of those pesky "Christian values" in this nation........ And who is anybody to assume that their 'christian values' should trump someone else's values?
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 10, 2012 9:09:04 GMT -5
And I agree with someones post.. Lawyers will be happy.. more $$$ when divorces are filed. The way I see it, half of all hetro marriages end in divorce, why not let the GLBT crowd give it a shot? They can't do much worse. I'm only batting .500 myself.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 10, 2012 9:17:25 GMT -5
And so Nana . . . do you also feel that churches and their beliefs and opinions should stay out of the civil arena, aka, being busy bodies and telling people how to live their lives? Not trying to be oppositional, just curious . . . Churches can push for all the civil engineering they want to their parishioners as far as I'm concerned, since attendance is a choice. Adherence to the teaching and preaching of the church is also a choice. Bullshit preaching is what drove me out. The last church I went to regularly around 15 years ago did a 'faith promise'. They passed out sheets of paper asking for donations and the pastor reiterated that the more you give the more faithful you are. Awesome! Here's a cool million, Chief. Good luck collecting.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 10, 2012 9:26:15 GMT -5
"Be happy in life and love the one your with.. " . . . and don't worry about their civil rights and liberties, because you've already got yours inherent in the religion-sanctioned relationship with someone whose genitals are opposite of you . . . Marriage grants certain rights to a spouse when it comes issues such as benefits (family insurance policy), medical issues and death issues. I believe state recognition of a union is a lot more important than any religion-sanctioned issue. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_and_responsibilities_of_marriages_in_the_United_States#Rights_and_benefits
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 9:45:54 GMT -5
But the ultimate question that seems to go unanswered is why are we only interested in extending these benefits to typical homo and hetro couples? What gives us the right to discriminate against situations like siblings that are in love or a man in love with his pet sheep? These are questions that we will face at some point in the future as bizarre as they sound today. Many will say it can only happen between consenting adults but who has the right to decide that? You can say this is the slippery slope theory if you want but one thing is almost certain, this issue will not remain static. This is only the beginning.
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Post by swamp on Feb 10, 2012 9:50:12 GMT -5
But the ultimate question that seems to go unanswered is why are we only interested in extending these benefits to typical homo and hetro couples? What gives us the right to discriminate against situations like siblings that are in love or a man in love with his pet sheep? These are questions that we will face at some point in the future as bizarre as they sound today. Many will say it can only happen between consenting adults but who has the right to decide that? You can say this is the slippery slope theory if you want but one thing is almost certain, this issue will not remain static. This is only the beginning. people have rights under the constitution, farm animals do not.
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 10:07:40 GMT -5
Do siblings?
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Post by swamp on Feb 10, 2012 10:08:57 GMT -5
What are you talking about?
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 10:09:01 GMT -5
What about people who want to marry every woman or man in town?
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 10:09:38 GMT -5
Should a brother be able to marry his sister?
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Post by swamp on Feb 10, 2012 10:10:01 GMT -5
What about people who want to marry every woman or man in town? What about them?
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Post by swamp on Feb 10, 2012 10:10:59 GMT -5
Should a brother be able to marry his sister? No, because of the propensity for genetic disorders when you mate siblings.
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 10:15:30 GMT -5
As with homosexuality this has nothing to do with procreation or health issues this is about an individuals rights and why anyone should be able to discriminate against a brother who is in love with his sister. Believe it or not this actually happens.
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 10:21:52 GMT -5
What about people who want to marry every woman or man in town? What about them? Should it be legal for anyone to marry as many people as they want?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 10, 2012 10:22:50 GMT -5
love or a man in love with his pet sheep
I had to swear under oath that I was of sound mind and making this decision under my own free will when we applied for our license.
I don't think a sheep can take an oath that it is of sound mind and I am definetly sure it can't claim it's getting married of its own free will.
Should it be legal for anyone to marry as many people as they want?
I don't see it as a problem. As it stands right now a lot of those mormon sects are offically married to one wife and then have tons of other "wives" who go on to claim welfare because technically they are single moms.
Make it so they can all be legally married to each other there goes taking advantage of the system.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 10, 2012 10:23:52 GMT -5
What about people who want to marry every woman or man in town? What about them? Should it be legal for anyone to marry as many people as they want? yes.
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Post by swamp on Feb 10, 2012 10:24:01 GMT -5
What about people who want to marry every woman or man in town? What about them? Should it be legal for anyone to marry as many people as they want? Yes, actually, I think it should. I think it's icky, but I also think old people sex is icky, and I'm OK with old people getting married.
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 10:25:00 GMT -5
But aren't you infringing on a person rights who wants to marry the sheep?
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Post by swamp on Feb 10, 2012 10:25:51 GMT -5
But aren't you infringing on a person rights who wants to marry the sheep? No. Marriage is between people, not a person and property.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 10, 2012 10:26:06 GMT -5
But the ultimate question that seems to go unanswered is why are we only interested in extending these benefits to typical homo and hetro couples? What gives us the right to discriminate against situations like siblings that are in love or a man in love with his pet sheep? That sounds eerily similar to the old arguments about interracial marriage...."If we allow whites to marry blacks, why not monkeys?" or something similar. The bestiality argument didn't quite pan out then either. Besides, don't quite know how a sheep could consent. As far as inter-family marriage goes, we'll debate that when it becomes an issue. Right now, it is not.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 10, 2012 10:30:28 GMT -5
But aren't you infringing on a person rights who wants to marry the sheep?
Marriage has to be between two consenting adults who are making the decision with a sound mind.
A sheep cannot give any indication it is consenting to get married.
If you could invent a machine that read a sheep's mind and could inform the courts it wants to marry the farmer, then hey whaever floats your boat.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 10, 2012 10:34:02 GMT -5
But aren't you infringing on a person rights who wants to marry the sheep? Marriage has to be between two consenting adults who are making the decision with a sound mind. A sheep cannot give any indication it is consenting to get married. Damnit, you can never get a hold of a good sheep whisperer when you need one.
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 10:35:06 GMT -5
If the sheep kisses the groom it might indicate consent.
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