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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 10, 2012 10:39:02 GMT -5
Florida you could probably find a pet psychic willing to testify your sheep is getting married of its own free will. Course this could backfire and the sheep might confess he really wants to marry your neighbor.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 10, 2012 10:45:06 GMT -5
Florida you could probably find a pet psychic willing to testify your sheep is getting married of its own free will. Course this could backfire and the sheep might confess he really wants to marry your neighbor. I ain't skeered....my neighbor is already married to the cat and polygamy is still illegal.
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 10:46:03 GMT -5
My point is that the definition of marriage used to be a union between two consenting adults of opposite gender. Since that definition has been ruled and supported as unconstitutional then it really is now open to other definitions that some here might agree with so please keep your open mind when others want their definition recognized. I'm not here to condemn anyone just know from history that these things don't stay static but sometimes have unintended consequences.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 10, 2012 10:46:23 GMT -5
Should a brother be able to marry his sister? No, because of the propensity for genetic disorders when you mate siblings. Considering that a marriage license is not needed for procreation, why don't we encourage such pairings to register with the state? Making the relationship public, with the most certain reaction which will result, might be better than it staying in the closet.
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 10:49:16 GMT -5
Good point.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 10, 2012 10:49:31 GMT -5
You seem to be missing that even if gay people get married it still has to be between two consenting gay adults. You have to be able to swear to these things under oath. A sheep cannot be put under oath and testify that it is of sound mind and body. Besides to be honest if some guy wants to get freaky deeky with his sheep and thinks he is in love with it it is none of my business. Ah but Florida if you can marry your sheep it is only a matter of time before your neighbor can marry the cat AND your sheep!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 10:51:25 GMT -5
I think you would have to decriminalize incest to permit sibling marriage, but whatever. Part of the intent of marriage is to create a family relationship for inheritance and other legal purposes. Siblings are already next of kin, so the rights granted through marriage seem a little redundant to me.
But civil marriage is a contract. Anyone who can enter into a contractual relationship can have at it, as far as I am concerned.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 10, 2012 10:53:45 GMT -5
People used to marry their relatives all the time. All the royal families of Europe and a good deal of the atristocracy are all related in some way because you had to marry in your same social class and that eventually really limited the dating pool.
Diana was a second cousin twice removed of Charles I do believe.
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Post by swamp on Feb 10, 2012 10:55:00 GMT -5
If the sheep kisses the groom it might indicate consent. My 4 yo DD kisses me all the time. I'm pretty sure she's not capable of consenting to marriage, nor does she realize the potential sexual connotation of a kiss. Right now, she just loves her mommy.
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Post by swamp on Feb 10, 2012 10:56:31 GMT -5
No, because of the propensity for genetic disorders when you mate siblings. Considering that a marriage license is not needed for procreation, why don't we encourage such pairings to register with the state? Making the relationship public, with the most certain reaction which will result, might be better than it staying in the closet. Do we have a computer to log into at each bar at closing time?
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Post by swamp on Feb 10, 2012 10:57:27 GMT -5
People used to marry their relatives all the time. All the royal families of Europe and a good deal of the atristocracy are all related in some way because you had to marry in your same social class and that eventually really limited the dating pool. Which is why they're all bald and ugly.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 10, 2012 10:58:24 GMT -5
Ah but Florida if you can marry your sheep it is only a matter of time before your neighbor can marry the cat AND your sheep! There goes that slope again. The same fit was pitched over the issue interracial marriages and the world did not end. Maybe one day, immediate relations and sheep will be able to marry, but that day is not today. I don't really see many people hollering over not being able to marry their sheep. With so few bestiality supporter votes on the line I doubt the politicians are going to address the issue any time soon.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 10, 2012 11:00:45 GMT -5
I don't really see many people hollering over not being able to marry their sheepIt's the people who want to marry their cars and blow up sex dolls you need to worry about.
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 11:03:29 GMT -5
Which is why they're all bald and ugly.
I didn't think Diana was ugly!
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 10, 2012 11:04:01 GMT -5
I don't really see many people hollering over not being able to marry their sheepIt's the people who want to marry their cars and blow up sex dolls you need to worry about. The real question is....If I marry an inflatable sex doll and we get a job at the same place, do I get to use the HOV lane?
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 11:04:48 GMT -5
It's the people who want to marry their cars and blow up sex dolls you need to worry about.
If you watched the new reality TV Taboo show you would have seen all of this and more!
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 10, 2012 11:05:09 GMT -5
I don't really see many people hollering over not being able to marry their sheepIt's the people who want to marry their cars and blow up sex dolls you need to worry about. I worry more about those who want to blow up their cars. That is what would put me and others in danger.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 10, 2012 11:08:14 GMT -5
... If you watched the new reality TV Taboo show you would have seen all of this and more! What people will do for their 15 minutes (minus commercial time) of fame.
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Post by illinicheme on Feb 10, 2012 11:08:46 GMT -5
Personally, if allowing rockon to marry his sheep is what it takes to make gay marriage legal at the federal level, I'm all for it. As for polygamy, I don't particularly care. But here's an interesting article as to why polygamy isn't good for society ( www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/01/the_problem_with_polygamy.html). (TL;DR version - young men get angry and potentially violent when older rich men hoard all the women.)
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 10, 2012 11:13:11 GMT -5
If you watched the new reality TV Taboo show you would have seen all of this and more!
You do realize that the show Taboo is digging at the bottom of the social barrel don't you?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 10, 2012 11:14:50 GMT -5
If you watched the new reality TV Taboo show you would have seen all of this and more! You do realize that the show Taboo is digging at the bottom of the social barrel don't you? I thought they moved the barrel and are digging into the ground below it.
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 11:19:10 GMT -5
I am a farm boy but chose the original definition of marriage and sexual relations for myself and DW. I personally don't think homosexuality is good for society either but also consider that to be my personal believe and don't judge others on it. Just sometimes interesting that people demand changes for one special interest but aren't open to others and aren't always aware of the implications or long term affects that any decision can have.
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 11:20:48 GMT -5
Today at 11:13am, DramaQ1015 wrote:If you watched the new reality TV Taboo show you would have seen all of this and more!
You do realize that the show Taboo is digging at the bottom of the social barrel don't you?
I thought they moved the barrel and are digging into the ground below it.
Why so judgmental against others who have different views?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 10, 2012 11:22:33 GMT -5
Today at 11:13am, DramaQ1015 wrote:If you watched the new reality TV Taboo show you would have seen all of this and more! You do realize that the show Taboo is digging at the bottom of the social barrel don't you? I thought they moved the barrel and are digging into the ground below it. Why so judgmental against others who have different views? Human nature.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 10, 2012 11:24:06 GMT -5
I am actually not bothered by a guy thinking he wants a sex doll as his wife. It's his life and as long as he is not asking me to join in a threesome with them I'll mind my own business.
But that circles again back to what swamp said, a sex doll is property it isn't a person who can give consent (if she deflates at the courthouse would that mean no?), neither is a car or a sheep.
A homosexual adult who can swear under oath that s/he is of sound mind and is consenting of his/her own free will should have the right to marry another consenting gay adult.
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Post by rockon on Feb 10, 2012 11:26:43 GMT -5
Your still missing the fact that the definition of marriage can be redefined as it just has been. Your only quoting your current definition.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 10, 2012 11:26:49 GMT -5
Today at 11:13am, DramaQ1015 wrote:If you watched the new reality TV Taboo show you would have seen all of this and more! You do realize that the show Taboo is digging at the bottom of the social barrel don't you? I thought they moved the barrel and are digging into the ground below it. Why so judgmental against others who have different views? Human nature. This calls for a song.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 10, 2012 11:29:47 GMT -5
So you're saying allowing homosexual people to marry would lead to the defintion of marriage having to be between consenting adult humans being changed?
I think that is quite a leap. I am sure there is a farmer out there that would love to marry his sheep but the odds of it ever getting to the point of where it is socially acceptable enough to cause laws to be changed is pretty slim.
And once again I really do not care if some guy wants to marry a sheep. As long as I am not being asked to join in it's his business who he loves and gets his jollies from.
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Post by kittensaver on Feb 10, 2012 11:36:01 GMT -5
"A homosexual adult who can swear under oath that s/he is of sound mind and is consenting of his/her own free will should have the right to marry another consenting gay adult."
Thank you, Drama! K for you! Because currently, this is the only way to access certain civil rights that under the Constitution are SUPPOSED to be available to citizens who want them. Deny the access (marriage) and you deny the civil right (and we're talking about people here, Rock. Last time I checked the Constitution did not cover the rights of animals or consider them citizens). If churches and religions want to make their marriages into rituals that are sacred to them - have at it, and even keep it exclusive for yourselves if you want to. Just please don't come into the general arena of American society with the notion that your view of marriage is the only "right" one, and use that argument to deny civil rights to others who do not think or believe like you.
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Post by illinicheme on Feb 10, 2012 11:40:27 GMT -5
I'd be pretty happy to have the government use a term other than "marriage" to refer to civil union between two consenting adults of any race/gender/orientation/creed/etc. However, it seems like it would be extraordinarily difficult to get people to confine their use of the word marriage to their respective churches.
I'd also get tired of correcting people who would call my spouse and I married when in fact we would just be "civil-unioned" or whatever.
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