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Post by diamonds on Dec 15, 2011 3:29:05 GMT -5
Obama vs Romney is almost a toss up. Obama vs Newt is a landslide for Obama. Latest news poll on NBC last night. So who are the pubs backing? The sure loser, Newt. The reason that there are so many Republican candidates is because Obama is such a weak president. I think anyone can beat Obama if they can get on the ballot. Bluerobin I find it shocking that after Obama's performance as president you think he has more than a marginal chance. oldtex... I find his perfomance as a leader a total failure in every area. I also think he has a lot of nerve to even consider running again. His arrogance is staggering and it's time to bid adieu as he has brought us to the brink of default. k to you....
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Post by diamonds on Dec 15, 2011 3:34:50 GMT -5
Hopefully your kidding! Did you forget that Obama was part of the previous administration as well? His leadership from my perspective has been dictated by politics from the beginning and his administration with complete control of congress the first two years was the laughing stock of the world at our economic expense. He personally qualifies as the worst ever in my book! Agree with you 100%.
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Post by diamonds on Dec 15, 2011 3:37:01 GMT -5
<<<really? worse than Bush? >>> Hell, yes. Is that emphatic enough for you? Let's make his next vacation a permanent one...
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 15, 2011 7:38:18 GMT -5
<<<really? worse than Bush? >>> Hell, yes. Is that emphatic enough for you? not a shred of doubt, eh? interesting. i think Bush was the worst president in a century. i don't think Obama is even as bad as Carter. i can take comfort in the fact that most historians agree.
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Post by Bluerobin on Dec 15, 2011 8:36:38 GMT -5
OldTex and others. I am NOT an Obama supporter. I was merely commenting on a poll I saw on the NBC news. I think the pubs are misguided at the moment, and that is what is making Barry unbeatable, especially by the likes of Newt. The American public wants a moderate, not an extremist. However if they have to settle for an extremist, they are more inclined to go with a liberal, rather than a hateful, spitefull ass like Newt. I hope the pubs can find a credible candidate.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 15, 2011 8:45:18 GMT -5
OldTex and others. I am NOT an Obama supporter. I was merely commenting on a poll I saw on the NBC news. I think the pubs are misguided at the moment, and that is what is making Barry unbeatable, especially by the likes of Newt. The American public wants a moderate, not an extremist. However if they have to settle for an extremist, they are more inclined to go with a liberal, rather than a hateful, spitefull ass like Newt. I hope the pubs can find a credible candidate. spot on, robin. the polling is really consistent on the matchups, with only one glaring exception: the Rasmussen poll from two weeks ago. Newt loses to Obama in every poll, and by a significantly larger margin than Romney. i know that the conservatives don't like hearing that, because they don't like Romney- and honestly? i can't blame them. but again, i emphasize, Gingrich is SIGNIFICANTLY more beatable in the GE, according to the polls.
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Post by floridayankee on Dec 15, 2011 9:04:02 GMT -5
I hope the pubs can find a credible candidate. The republican primaries begin in three weeks. I seriously doubt there will be any more candidates at this stage in the game. The stage is already set.
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Post by Bluerobin on Dec 15, 2011 9:04:42 GMT -5
DJ, the pubs are being their stupid selves, using the logic, let's run Newt because we (at least some of us) like him. Unfortunately, theyare not thinking let's run X because he is electible.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 15, 2011 9:12:27 GMT -5
DJ, the pubs are being their stupid selves, using the logic, let's run Newt because we (at least some of us) like him. Unfortunately, theyare not thinking let's run X because he is electible. they will. well, maybe not the general public, but the GOP leadership will. just watch. i think Romney will win this thing.
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Post by Bluerobin on Dec 15, 2011 9:41:12 GMT -5
Romney and Huntsman are the only two moderates in the bunch and a moderate is what is needed after the congress that has been stonewalling for the last 3 years. If the pubs learn, they win. If not, Barry marches into a second term.
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Post by floridayankee on Dec 15, 2011 10:00:07 GMT -5
Romney and Huntsman are the only two moderates in the bunch and a moderate is what is needed after the congress that has been stonewalling for the last 3 years. If the pubs learn, they win. If not, Barry marches into a second term. I'd rather waste my vote and hand the election back to Obama than let repubs think they won the office based on their political philosophy over the last decade or two. I won't hand my vote to another big government, fiscally incompetent RINO.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2011 13:08:08 GMT -5
I think the pubs are misguided at the moment, and that is what is making Barry unbeatable, especially by the likes of Newt. The American public wants a moderate, not an extremist. However if they have to settle for an extremist, they are more inclined to go with a liberal, rather than a hateful, spitefull ass like Newt. I hope the pubs can find a credible candidate. I think when push comes to shove Romney can't beat Obama. Most republicans are lukewarm on him and he's going to have to turn out the entire republican base as well as independents to win. His healthcare thing in Massachusetts is a big turn off.
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Post by Bluerobin on Dec 15, 2011 13:12:41 GMT -5
merry, Newt can't win either. The pubs have to wise up and vote for a guy who can attract the great unwashed or stick with a loser, who only appeals to them. I know what they are going to do and what they should do. Barry gets a second term. The leadership has to rally around someone who can win and get the rest of the pubs in line. Is it better to have a partial pub in offer or a die hard liberal?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2011 13:16:42 GMT -5
The leadership has to rally around someone who can win and get the rest of the pubs in line. Is it better to have a partial pub in offer or a die hard liberal? I think they care less about winning than having a "good" win. Republicans got burned by Bush so they are looking for someone who is a bit more pure than either Newt or Romney. Sometimes I listen to conservative talk radio and you can practically see the spit and fire come from the speakers when they talk about these two candidates. merry, Newt can't win either. I agree.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 15, 2011 14:56:11 GMT -5
Romney and Huntsman are the only two moderates in the bunch and a moderate is what is needed after the congress that has been stonewalling for the last 3 years. If the pubs learn, they win. If not, Barry marches into a second term. I'd rather waste my vote and hand the election back to Obama than let repubs think they won the office based on their political philosophy over the last decade or two. I won't hand my vote to another big government, fiscally incompetent RINO. i sympathize completely. my vote goes to Paul in the primary. i have already decided.
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Post by floridayankee on Dec 15, 2011 15:20:08 GMT -5
i sympathize completely. my vote goes to Paul in the primary. i have already decided. What if he has bowed out by then?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 15, 2011 15:23:38 GMT -5
i sympathize completely. my vote goes to Paul in the primary. i have already decided. What if he has bowed out by then? he went all the way to the convention last time. i think he will do the same thins time. but to answer your question: Johnson.
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Post by bean29 on Dec 15, 2011 17:58:38 GMT -5
I think I could vote for Ron Paul. I am pro-choice. Republicans are too Moral Majority and don't even think about having stupidity in their platform. We need to get out of foreign wars. It costs us too much money, buys us nothing economically and only causes foreigners to hate us. I think the analysis of Ron Paul as a president is something I can live with. I like nationalized heath care and agree with DeminMaine...Obama's policy did not go far enough. I am sick to my stomach about corrupt politicians. Newt is as corrupt as they come. We will have to see what plays out with Governor Walker in WI, but it looks like there may have been a certain amount of corruption in his election. www.jsonline.com/newswatch/135617553.htmlOne of his top staffers recently resigned and was given a high paying state job as "hush $$?" He home was searched by the FBI looking for evidence of corruption. Previously I never thought Walker was corrupt, but I have more and more questions. I am leaning more and more to the one term and out view as the longer politicians are in office the more beholden they seem to be to special interests. When people are elected into office with relatively little wealth, and leave office some of the wealthiest individuals in the nation...well it is hard to deny something stinks. imo Ron Paul is an exception to this, I think he has integrity and lives his life by his principals.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 15, 2011 18:07:20 GMT -5
OldTex and others. I am NOT an Obama supporter. I was merely commenting on a poll I saw on the NBC news. I think the pubs are misguided at the moment, and that is what is making Barry unbeatable, especially by the likes of Newt. The American public wants a moderate, not an extremist. However if they have to settle for an extremist, they are more inclined to go with a liberal, rather than a hateful, spitefull ass like Newt. I hope the pubs can find a credible candidate. Wait! If you don't froth at the mouth and exhibit fire shooting from your nostrils at the very mention of the name "Obama", you've gotta be a supporter ... don'cha? Frankly, I don't know what to call, at this point, between Romney and Gingrich. I've got to agree with dj, however. Neither can beat Obama in the GE, as it appears today. Something would have to change drastically.
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Post by handyman2 on Dec 15, 2011 19:33:10 GMT -5
The congress right at present is like a bad marriage. First we need a strong decisive leader. Secondly we need the congress to be a majority party or we are going to see four more years of the same old-same old. A leader begging and whinning about the past president and the opposition party like the past three years is just not going to cut it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 15, 2011 21:57:10 GMT -5
You're a mean one, Mr. Gingrich. You really are a heel. You're as cuddly as a cactus, You're as charming as an eel. Mr. Gingrich. You're a bad banana With a greasy black peel. You're a monster, Mr. Gingrich. Your heart's an empty hole. Your brain is full of spiders, You've got garlic in your soul. Mr. Gingrich.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 8:40:23 GMT -5
Obama vs Romney is almost a toss up. Obama vs Newt is a landslide for Obama. Latest news poll on NBC last night. So who are the pubs backing? The sure loser, Newt. The reason that there are so many Republican candidates is because Obama is such a weak president. I think anyone can beat Obama if they can get on the ballot. Bluerobin I find it shocking that after Obama's performance as president you think he has more than a marginal chance. oldtex you noted on here the other day that Democrats and Repblicans tend to think exactly the opposite on any given political issue. While I'm not sure I agree it's always that stark, I get your point, and largely agree with it. As much as you think of Obama as a failure, many others do not share your opinion. Many see that he accomplished health care reform, is ending the war in Iraq, and did what he could in the face of an economic meltdown worse than any in our lifetimes. All this while being beaten about by a Republican Congress who will do ANYTHING to see him lose, even at the expense of our country. And they see the Republican alternative, which now could even be Newt. I'm not proposing that Obama is perfect by any means- many/ most who support him have many complaints with his governance, but they are not at all the same as yours. I'm sure you find the health care reform to be a Communist plot. I don't think it went nearly far enough. For instance. So yes, I think he has a very tough fight on his hands, and may or may not be the underdog, depending upon events we can't foresee. But the one we can- the economy- is not tilting in his favor. But he is not a 10 percentage point loser, imo, and he could well win. I understand that the reason we are pulling out of Iraq by Decembers' end is because the Iraqi government will no longer allow our forces to operate with immunity to their civil and criminal laws. I.E. if one of our soldiers shoots someone, he gets arrested for murder and goes to trial. If this didn't come about, our forces would still be remaining. Saying Obama ended the war is just political posturing to those who are not aware of the actual conditions of the operation there.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Dec 16, 2011 9:15:17 GMT -5
At least they are monitoring voter fraud this time around. how many verified cases of voter fraud have there been in the last century? Hard to prove fraud when it comes to government. There has been many cases of negligence, a lot in the primaries last year in New Hampshire. Seal tampering ect... There was actual video showing of the seal tampering in the ballot boxes and that was just some of what they found before the ballots were moved to separate locations.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Dec 16, 2011 9:16:27 GMT -5
You're a mean one, Mr. Gingrich. You really are a heel. You're as cuddly as a cactus, You're as charming as an eel. Mr. Gingrich. You're a bad banana With a greasy black peel. You're a monster, Mr. Gingrich. Your heart's an empty hole. Your brain is full of spiders, You've got garlic in your soul. Mr. Gingrich. lol, nice one.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Dec 16, 2011 9:23:07 GMT -5
<<<really? worse than Bush? >>> Hell, yes. Is that emphatic enough for you? not a shred of doubt, eh? interesting. i think Bush was the worst president in a century. i don't think Obama is even as bad as Carter. i can take comfort in the fact that most historians agree. I agree DJ that bush was by far a more damaging president than Obama. Obama to me was not experienced of enough to do good or really bad. I think Obama is a horrible president just based on his lack of experience in national politics in a bad economy. Hard for me to praise Obama when I think he doesn't know enough to do to much good or bad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 9:24:44 GMT -5
dem, I'm just glad we're out of there. I've always considered it a bullshit reason for going into Iraq. That country was never a threat to the US and the 800 billion would of been well spent elsewhere. Good chance the immunity was withdrawn to remove our forces from their country for whatever reason they decided. Saves us lives and dollars on a no win operation. Will it help Obama wrap up the election that he was the "ender"? Depends on the situation education of the targeted voters.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Dec 16, 2011 9:32:55 GMT -5
I am leaning more towards Obama winning DJ (not that I want it). With Ron Paul building more support than he had last year and Gary Johnson more than likely to run as a 3rd party, I don't see the Republican nominee getting much support. Having campaigned for Ron Paul, I know a lot of his supporters just won't vote for the republican nominee. If Ron Paul doesn't make the nomination, I will vote for Gary Johnson. Ron Paul's greater influence in the primaries will damage the support for the republican nominee, because more than likely RP will not endorse any of these republican candidates. Ron Paul's #1 poll numbers(or tied with Gingrich) in Iowa just goes to show that he is way more electable than the average American thought.
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Post by floridayankee on Dec 16, 2011 9:47:06 GMT -5
.....and Gary Johnson more than likely to run as a 3rd party..... Still nothing official, but if he does, he's likely going Libertarian. I'm hoping he does because I'd like to be able to say that at least once I was able to vote for the best person to do the job rather than the 'lesser of the two useless assholes'. We could know for sure next week. Although Mr. Johnson has not officially confirmed the switch yet, he met with Liberterian Party officials this week, “and was happy with the meeting,” according to one of his political advisors, as reported by The Miami Herald.
The Liberterian Party is the third largest political party in the U.S. behind the Democratic and Republican parties, with 225,000 registered voters across 30 states.
The former New Mexico governor has been absent from 15 of the 17 Republican presidential candidate debates thus far and isn’t much a factor at all in any of the recent polls of Republican primary voters.
“The party left me,” Mr. Johnson said Wednesday in an interview with The Miami Herald.
“The Republican Party hung me out to dry,” the GOP presidential candidate added.
Rumors surfaced in recent weeks that Mr. Johnson might be considering the switch to the Liberterian Party. His platform of pro-marijuana legalization and minimum government is certainly outside of any policies normally supported by conservative voters, thus making the switch a sensible one.
According to one of his campaign directors, Mr. Johnson is headed to New York Thursday where he may in fact make the announcement of his switch.
“I personally spoke with Governor Johnson a couple of days ago and outlined many of the pros and cons of running for the LP’s presidential nomination,” Stephen Gordon, the Southern Regional Director of the Gary Johnson 2012 campaign said Wednesday.
“ It’s my opinion that certain senior leaders within the GOP have intentionally thrown as many roadblocks as possible into the governor’s path and that the Libertarian Party will be a much more welcoming home to someone of his true small-government ideology and proven track record,” Mr. Gordon added.
www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/gary-johnson-reportedly-considering-joining-the-liberterian-party/#ixzz1gi0bHPVJ
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 16, 2011 10:44:16 GMT -5
I am leaning more towards Obama winning DJ (not that I want it). With Ron Paul building more support than he had last year and Gary Johnson more than likely to run as a 3rd party, I don't see the Republican nominee getting much support. i don't think these factors favor Obama as much as two others: the fact that Republican enthusiasm is down to Democrat levels these days, and the fact that a double dip recession is appearing increasingly unlikely.Having campaigned for Ron Paul, I know a lot of his supporters just won't vote for the republican nominee. If Ron Paul doesn't make the nomination, I will vote for Gary Johnson. Ron Paul's greater influence in the primaries will damage the support for the republican nominee, because more than likely RP will not endorse any of these republican candidates. Ron Paul's #1 poll numbers(or tied with Gingrich) in Iowa just goes to show that he is way more electable than the average American thought. again, i think Iowa is a pretty clear indication of were the GOP is heading in the primary. it is a snapshot of the Republican mindset in Christmas of 2011. it is very worrysome for the GE.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 16, 2011 10:46:15 GMT -5
.....and Gary Johnson more than likely to run as a 3rd party..... Still nothing official, but if he does, he's likely going Libertarian. I'm hoping he does because I'd like to be able to say that at least once I was able to vote for the best person to do the job rather than the 'lesser of the two useless assholes'. We could know for sure next week. i thought Ron Paul got short shrift in 2008, but compared to what they did to Johnson this year, Paul was treated like a rock star.
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