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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 14, 2011 11:46:39 GMT -5
any takers?
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Dec 14, 2011 11:49:47 GMT -5
It is a toss up. However, we do not know who the repubic nominee will be or any third party candidate.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 14, 2011 11:53:07 GMT -5
It is a toss up. However, we do not know who the repubic nominee will be or any third party candidate. i still think he is going to lose. but i am less sure about it that i was six months ago.
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Post by gavinsnana on Dec 14, 2011 12:04:25 GMT -5
The polls say he is done. However, if Ron Paul runs Independant, knowing he will NOT win, it will put BO back in for another 4 years. God Help US!
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 14, 2011 12:10:26 GMT -5
The polls say he is done. which polls are those?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2011 12:16:50 GMT -5
With the "unwilling to do anything" Euro-zone politicians whose most recent smokescreen has now been seen through. The financial unraveling across the pond will carry over here as less export sales hurting our fragile to non-existent recovery in the long run. Our current POTUS must find this exasperating at best because there is little to nothing he can do about it. At this time I would not say he has this election wrapped up.
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Post by workpublic on Dec 14, 2011 12:31:00 GMT -5
if newt runs the NWO/bilderberger fix is in for obama
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Post by diamonds on Dec 14, 2011 13:23:08 GMT -5
Too many scandals going on now that's going to backlash on Obama. Fast and Furious, Solyndra, the Blago travesty which I believe Obama and Rahm Emanuel were involved with. Just too many where monies were misappropriated and not accounted for.
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Post by diamonds on Dec 14, 2011 13:36:46 GMT -5
At least they are monitoring voter fraud this time around. You'll have to show your drivers license or some sort of ID. No more bribes with money and cigarettes and/or fake names.
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Post by rockon on Dec 14, 2011 13:37:57 GMT -5
I think there is very reasonable possibility that Obama will win another term. He has a great base of people who still believe what he tells them, he is a sincere and convincing speaker and that can go along way in politics. Secondly the Republican Party has done a terrible job of nominating a real good candidate or of showing leadership and taking control of the power they were given in the house at the last election. Don't get me wrong IMO a Republican president and majority in congress would be much better scenario then another term of Obama. He should show up sometime in history as the worst fiscal responsible of them all and four more years of that would probably take us far enough over the cliff that our country could never recover without declaring bankruptcy.
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Post by handyman2 on Dec 14, 2011 13:44:20 GMT -5
Yep he has it all wrapped up in pretty paper and a bow on top. A Christmas present to the Republicans.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2011 14:37:50 GMT -5
I can't imagine a country that is so dumb that a majority (or anything close to it) would vote for Obama after the performance that he has turned in so far.
I predict that he will lose by 10 or more percentage points & it could be a landslide. I also don't think that it really matter who runs against him except that they will be the next President.
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Post by Bluerobin on Dec 14, 2011 14:55:32 GMT -5
Obama vs Romney is almost a toss up. Obama vs Newt is a landslide for Obama. Latest news poll on NBC last night. So who are the pubs backing? The sure loser, Newt.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2011 15:20:37 GMT -5
Obama vs Romney is almost a toss up. Obama vs Newt is a landslide for Obama. Latest news poll on NBC last night. So who are the pubs backing? The sure loser, Newt. The reason that there are so many Republican candidates is because Obama is such a weak president. I think anyone can beat Obama if they can get on the ballot. Bluerobin I find it shocking that after Obama's performance as president you think he has more than a marginal chance.
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Post by workpublic on Dec 14, 2011 15:49:12 GMT -5
I can't imagine a country that is so dumb that a majority (or anything close to it) would vote for Obama after the performance that he has turned in so far.
tex,
less than half of the people who are eligible, actually vote.
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Post by humok on Dec 14, 2011 15:53:50 GMT -5
There in Ly's the problem work....we all need to get everyone we know to vote!!!!!
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Post by humok on Dec 14, 2011 16:05:49 GMT -5
God DEM i REALLY HOPE YOU ARE WRONG....WE WILL BE OVER THE TOP AND on a down hill slide if he gets re-elected....Ron Paul is the only real choice but the Liberal media will continue to politically kill him....he is way too conservative for them and their give-away mentality.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 14, 2011 16:21:48 GMT -5
At least they are monitoring voter fraud this time around. how many verified cases of voter fraud have there been in the last century?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 14, 2011 16:22:44 GMT -5
I think there is very reasonable possibility that Obama will win another term. He has a great base of people who still believe what he tells them, he is a sincere and convincing speaker and that can go along way in politics. Secondly the Republican Party has done a terrible job of nominating a real good candidate or of showing leadership and taking control of the power they were given in the house at the last election. Don't get me wrong IMO a Republican president and majority in congress would be much better scenario then another term of Obama. He should show up sometime in history as the worst fiscal responsible of them all and four more years of that would probably take us far enough over the cliff that our country could never recover without declaring bankruptcy. so, do you think Obama has it "wrapped up" rockon?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 14, 2011 16:23:25 GMT -5
I can't imagine a country that is so dumb that a majority (or anything close to it) would vote for Obama after the performance that he has turned in so far. after 2004? really?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 14, 2011 16:24:25 GMT -5
Obama vs Romney is almost a toss up. Obama vs Newt is a landslide for Obama. Latest news poll on NBC last night. So who are the pubs backing? The sure loser, Newt. The reason that there are so many Republican candidates is because Obama is such a weak president. I think anyone can beat Obama if they can get on the ballot. that is an attitude that loses elections.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 14, 2011 16:26:13 GMT -5
God DEM i REALLY HOPE YOU ARE WRONG....WE WILL BE OVER THE TOP AND on a down hill slide if he gets re-elected.... precisely what i said in 2004. i was wrong. you will be, too.Ron Paul is the only real choice but the Liberal media will continue to politically kill him....he is way too conservative for them and their give-away mentality. actually, Paul polls better than anyone other than Romney.
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Post by floridayankee on Dec 14, 2011 16:26:34 GMT -5
I can't imagine a country that is so dumb that a majority (or anything close to it) would vote for Obama after the performance that he has turned in so far. This might not even come down to half the vote. I can say I'm not voting Obama. I cannot say I am voting Republican. If that hands the election to Obama, so be it. I'm not an "anybody but..." voter. This one will come down to which party disgusts their base the least.
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Post by humok on Dec 14, 2011 16:31:21 GMT -5
dem I agree with you on that but he would help stop the over spending and fight to restore our rights!!!!!!!! No President can do it alone...But he can veto the same stupid things from continuing....I would also like to point out that he would stop us from nation building like we have been doing for ten years....
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 14, 2011 16:38:18 GMT -5
I can't imagine a country that is so dumb that a majority (or anything close to it) would vote for Obama after the performance that he has turned in so far. This might not even come down to half the vote. I can say I'm not voting Obama. I cannot say I am voting Republican. If that hands the election to Obama, so be it. I'm not an "anybody but..." voter. This one will come down to which party disgusts their base the least. for some! some folks will probably have pinups and alters for the candidates.
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Post by deziloooooo on Dec 14, 2011 16:48:13 GMT -5
Obama vs Romney is almost a toss up. Obama vs Newt is a landslide for Obama. Latest news poll on NBC last night. So who are the pubs backing? The sure loser, Newt. The reason that there are so many Republican candidates is because Obama is such a weak president. I think anyone can beat Obama if they can get on the ballot. Bluerobin I find it shocking that after Obama's performance as president you think he has more than a marginal chance. oldtex you noted on here the other day that Democrats and Repblicans tend to think exactly the opposite on any given political issue. While I'm not sure I agree it's always that stark, I get your point, and largely agree with it. As much as you think of Obama as a failure, many others do not share your opinion. Many see that he accomplished health care reform, is ending the war in Iraq, and did what he could in the face of an economic meltdown worse than any in our lifetimes. All this while being beaten about by a Republican Congress who will do ANYTHING to see him lose, even at the expense of our country. And they see the Republican alternative, which now could even be Newt. I'm not proposing that Obama is perfect by any means- many/ most who support him have many complaints with his governance, but they are not at all the same as yours. I'm sure you find the health care reform to be a Communist plot. I don't think it went nearly far enough. For instance. So yes, I think he has a very tough fight on his hands, and may or may not be the underdog, depending upon events we can't foresee. But the one we can- the economy- is not tilting in his favor. But he is not a 10 percentage point loser, imo, and he could well win. Demin...I wasn't going to respond to any of the comments on this thread, just browsing and reading..some chuckles along the way but you I believe said it best in your summation of the facts.. you hit all the points... cudo's to you. As a Obama supporter, there are many of us...and no , most of those supporters are not lock step in favor of all his actions..when is that ever a happening no matter who is in power..but yes, I personally put a lot of the blame on the previouse party and leadership who was in power, the tax cuts for the wealthy, the part D on RX with no increase in revenue to pay for it, two wars with out a way to pay for the wars..and on and on..what Obama inherited was not just the every day baggage of a defeated party, it was a lot more then that and the financial melt down around the world is a good indication of how bad it was..is still. The expendatures of the stimulue..with out , who knows how bad it would have been, even with many programs one can question, and his foreign policies and doings , not bad at all..and he is not yet finished, a lot will be happening yet.. I agree , he was inexperienced but over all, I feel, until I see a better one coming from the other side, and not even close yet, and his experienc of almost four yearas in the chair..to me that experience is a positive. Some of the comments here..to me , ludicrouse..a 10 % beating by the other sides candidate,who ever it would be, when for years now a 1 or 2 % difference is a lot..just to much ..and a childish comment, sorry, way I feel.. A shoo in for reelection? Absolutly not..with the economy, jobs where they are..not good, but a loser guaranteed? Not that either.. The other side did nothing in my opinion to help solve any of the countrys problems..their whole shtick was a negative from the get go of taking office of downing the man and all his ideas and thoughts..{ Remember, turn about can be fair play, if there is a change in leadership and control of houses..} we will have to see how it plays out.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Dec 14, 2011 16:49:38 GMT -5
In some ways, Obama getting in for a second term would be a gift to the Republican party. Our economic troubles are going to continue for a few more years. Might as well let him be the scapegoat.
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Post by rockon on Dec 14, 2011 18:25:29 GMT -5
Hopefully your kidding! Did you forget that Obama was part of the previous administration as well? His leadership from my perspective has been dictated by politics from the beginning and his administration with complete control of congress the first two years was the laughing stock of the world at our economic expense. He personally qualifies as the worst ever in my book!
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Post by safeharbor37 on Dec 14, 2011 18:43:35 GMT -5
If the economy next fall is in full recovery mode, Obama's chances will be enhanced. If our strategic interests seem as stable as they are today, Obama looks good. If nothing in particular goes to hell in a hand basket, the Republican candidate will struggle. If any of our interests internationally is in turmoil, Obama will be in a peck of trouble. If the European crisis is as bad as now or worse, Obama will be in a corner. If the economy and employment figures aren't significantly better than now, the Republican candidate will be on easy street. Today, it's hard to tell.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 14, 2011 19:42:07 GMT -5
Hopefully your kidding! Did you forget that Obama was part of the previous administration as well? His leadership from my perspective has been dictated by politics from the beginning and his administration with complete control of congress the first two years was the laughing stock of the world at our economic expense. He personally qualifies as the worst ever in my book! really? worse than Bush?
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