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Post by diamonds on Jun 23, 2011 21:58:22 GMT -5
formerexpert: Another question: Now my friend in Chicago has 2 jobs stable jobs. Pays double mortgage payments on his house, and is almost paid off, and has bought and paid for 3 cars. So his credit rating is pefect. Just say he wanted a loan on another house or to start a small business? Is he not a good risk? Also, family of my roomate opened up a yoghurt type business in San Diego with no problems. A one-off and are doing quite well...
K for your courtesy
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 24, 2011 0:21:41 GMT -5
These tee-shirts that O'Reilly sells for charity purposes, a caller asked why they were made in Hondurus? Is that not called out-sourcing? I think a lot of the employers cannot afford to pay the minimum wage people at this level insurance benefits, thus it is cheaper to have them made in another country. To say nothing about environmental and other regulations.
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Post by magichat on Jun 24, 2011 7:53:52 GMT -5
Please also note that Members of Congress have to serve at least 5 years to even receive a pension.Ok 5 years is indeed more than one term but close enough for government work...IMHO But what is that pension worth after 5 years, probably not enough to buy the paper and a doughnut.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 24, 2011 8:06:38 GMT -5
Members under the new FERS plan receive pension equal to 1.5 percent of their highest salary for each year of service. Thus a Member serving 5 years would receive a pension equal to 15 percent of his base pay
So if he earns @$100,000.00 per year he would get @$15,000.00 per year so that would buy a lot of coffee and donuts at Dunkin Donuts and several newspapers, I guess..
$15,000.00 per year would be less than what military enlisted retirees receive now after 20 years of service. So my example is not quite accurate but pretty close for government work and tries to point out the differences between pay and benefits for members of government Federal and State Legislators.
BTW CA legislators are still not getting their pay check yet because Jerry Brown thinks their budget stinks
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Post by magichat on Jun 24, 2011 8:11:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the update, feel better about your equality in pensions yet?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 24, 2011 8:16:05 GMT -5
This is one proposal that the military retirees are all abuzz over lately because of the Weinergate fiasco:
Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:
"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States ."
Does that mean you are OK with Weiner's Pension?? That is what has the military retirees pushing for a bill to amend that inequality but it is probably going to be tossed in their trash can..IMHO
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Post by magichat on Jun 24, 2011 8:20:30 GMT -5
[ quote author=magichat board=politics thread=10321 post=417841 time=1308921117]Thanks for the update, feel better about your equality in pensions yet? [/color] Does that mean you are OK with Weiner's Pension?? That is what has the military retirees pushing for a bill to amend that inequality but it is probably going to be tossed in their trash can..IMHO[/quote] Frankly I don't like any pensions that require so little from the pensioner, when it's using my money.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 24, 2011 8:24:59 GMT -5
Do you think then the 28 Amendment of the United States Constitution should be enacted?? Or at the very least considered by the United States Congress or by Obama??
They are passing laws that effect the citizens of the United States while they enjoy much better pay, pensions, and benefits which has the military retirees upset lately. This whole thing came to a head again when Weiner's pension was published for all to see..
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Post by magichat on Jun 24, 2011 8:27:51 GMT -5
What in the hell are you talking about?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 24, 2011 8:31:04 GMT -5
Congressional pay/pension vs the military pay/pension something you would not care about since you are not interested in our military, I guess??
Or trying to illustrate that the 28th Amendment needs to be enacted IMHO
What was the comment you made a few weeks ago about my service????Care to repeat it again so I can shove it down your throat MH??
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Post by magichat on Jun 24, 2011 8:34:37 GMT -5
I haven't said anything about your fucking service PI, I suggest you remove that bullshit.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 24, 2011 8:41:10 GMT -5
I haven't said anything about your fucking service PI, I suggest you remove that bullshit. No!! Deal with it..
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 24, 2011 8:56:17 GMT -5
I think we need to consider the 28th Amendment with an abundance of caution. I keep sounding the same warning: The 28th Amendment could put SCOTUS in the position of ordering tax hikes if Congress refuses to control spending. That's why we need to include a provision that limits spending to 15% to 18% of GDP- and then we have to watch like a hawk how real GDP is calculated. They "fixed" inflation by excluding durable goods, fuel, and much of the food we buy.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 24, 2011 9:00:45 GMT -5
Government Pensions are the 500 lb gorilla in the room that everyone is afraid to deal with.....Both State and Federal Pensions are major impacts to state and federal budgets that Liberals will not discuss or make comments such as "What the hell are your talking about?" or "military retirees are overpaid"
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Post by magichat on Jun 24, 2011 9:01:25 GMT -5
I haven't said anything about your fucking service PI, I suggest you remove that bullshit. No!! Deal with it.. Deal with your lies, I think everybody is used to that around here.
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Post by magichat on Jun 24, 2011 9:03:15 GMT -5
Government Pensions are the 500 lb gorilla in the room that everyone is afraid to deal with.....Both State and Federal Pensions are major impacts to state and federal budgets that Liberals will not discuss or make comments such as "What the hell are your talking about?" or "military retirees are overpaid" Good god you are obtuse, you can't even carry on a normal conversation and then get offended when somebody asks for clarifications. You brought up the 28th amendment out of the blue when I suggested that all government pensions are out of line. Sorry if the offends your never ending pay check you receive.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 24, 2011 9:21:27 GMT -5
Deal with your lies, I think everybody is used to that around here.
Sorry if the offends your never ending pay check you receive.
What the hell are you talking about??? What does a so called "never ending paycheck" have to do with my comments about the 28th Amendment and the disparity between congress pay and benefits with the military as just one example...stay on topic and forget your veiled insults and innuendos...
What are the specific lies that you are talking about?? Pls give us an example without you usual profanity and obscene comments...MH
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Post by magichat on Jun 24, 2011 9:51:40 GMT -5
Do you have an issue with profanity, take it up with a mod.
Your stalking and defaming claims that I have disparaged you or your service is the lies I am speaking of. Please reread your own writing in #131...god this gets old.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 24, 2011 9:56:00 GMT -5
Bye, Bye MH... Bring Something Worthwhile To Our Discussions Instead of this garbage: Yawn, why don't you bring up more old crap Marsha. I always enjoyed proving you wrong on the travel to Pakistan, what was it about 15 times you tried to present that steaming pile of bullshit? Thanks for the update, feel better about your equality in pensions yet? What in the hell are you talking about? Deal with your lies, I think everybody is used to that around here. Do you have an issue with profanity, take it up with a mod. Your stalking and defaming claims that I have disparaged you or your service is the lies I am speaking of. Please reread your own writing in #131...god this gets old.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2011 11:26:32 GMT -5
I think we need to consider the 28th Amendment with an abundance of caution. I keep sounding the same warning: The 28th Amendment could put SCOTUS in the position of ordering tax hikes if Congress refuses to control spending. That's why we need to include a provision that limits spending to 15% to 18% of GDP- and then we have to watch like a hawk how real GDP is calculated. They "fixed" inflation by excluding durable goods, fuel, and much of the food we buy. and if we are attacked by China....what then, Paul?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2011 11:38:59 GMT -5
PI- you claimed that Obama is the greatest fraud in history, or something of the sort. not that he is the sort of minor fraud that we get pretty much every election cycle. so let me be perfectly clear:Not quite but I think there is some validity to the case being made by Political Experts who think Obama is a fraud and a charlatan because the voters were fooled by him to support his candidacy for president.... those who think Obama is indeed a fraud and charlatan are not all right wing nut jobs but Dems, Repubs, and Independents...Two of the most vocal are both Ron, and Rand Paul and they may say something stupid but both do know a fraud when they see one...IMHO again, i have not argued that Obama is not a fraud. i just don't think he is an exceptional one. there is another aspect to this. presidential candidates often overestimate what they can do in office. then the realities sink in. for example, when Clinton came in in 1992, he was notified that none of his big ticket projects would have funding. so he had to radically alter his outlook to "go small". it worked for him and he got re-elected. but to the 1993 Democrat, i have no doubt at all that they felt a palpable sense of betrayal.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2011 11:42:29 GMT -5
You've got your game on today, PI!! I'm just reading... Hey, where did you get that article on the last page, the longish one? I'd like to browse there.. ;D I just googled "Obama is the biggest Fraud and Charlatan in our lifetime''and picked the one written by Neil Snyder who I have read before....he is probably one of the strongest critics of Obama and makes a pretty good case, I think?? Also the National Review has had similar articles written by conservatives who also think Obama had not done much for the economic recovery and his hope and change are a fraud hope and change are meaningless platitudes. they don't signify any policy choices, and therefore can be "promised" by any candidate. to judge Obama a fraud on the basis of meaningless campaign promises is to miss the opportunity to criticize him on a more tangible basis.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2011 11:46:24 GMT -5
PS- this is a super bad recession. and it is bad for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with Obama. i doubt any president would have done much better than Obama. in fact, i doubt any president would have done much DIFFERENTLY than Obama, with the possible exception of Paul, which is why i voted for him. How can you say a sitting senator during the meltdown had nothing to do with it? fine. i hold him 1% responsible. precisely the same as his opponent in the race. happy?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2011 11:50:27 GMT -5
No evidence Obama is a fraud but a gigantic pile of Pubcrappe. Never before has crappe been piled so high, but it's still crappe. You missed this: 'If the president had a strategy for dealing with our deficit and debt problems, he would have presented it long ago -- in detail. He could have used his budget commission's plan to get our fiscal house in order as the launching pad to introduce his strategy, and he would have if he had one. President Obama's silence at that critical moment was deafening, and yesterday's Johnny-come-lately gimmick was nothing more than an attempt to avoid the appearance of incompetence -- a trick that is becoming increasingly difficult for him to pull off even among his once ardent supporters. The president's "plan" to call on legislators to find a solution to our deficit and debt problems by the end of June a week after Rep. Ryan submitted his plan to the House of Representatives is laughable. Again, that's not strategy. It's just empty words.
Mr. Obama's strategic void has been on display in the Middle East since the Arab Spring began in January. For instance, consider Egypt. Obama stood with our long-time ally, Hosni Mubarak, and then he didn't. Then he stood with him again until the political winds shifted, at which point Obama announced that it was time for Mr. Mubarak to go. Our president has demonstrated the same lack of strategic resolve on matters related to Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Bahrain, Yemen, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. Our president's inability to grasp strategic concepts is so pervasive that the King of Saudi Arabia said recently that President Obama is a threat to Saudi Arabia's internal security. I think he's a threat to our internal security as well.".........Neil Snyder again, i don't see how this distinguishes Obama. the same could be said of Bush 1, who was part of the Reagan "cuddle with Saddam" administration before he bombed the shit out of him. i am sure you can pull more examples out of the ether than i just did, with almost no effort. as for the deficit, no president has seriously addressed it in a generation. Reagan was terrible on deficits, and yet he is celebrated as some sort of economic saviour. Clinton was pretty good on deficits, because he was advised to "go small" and did. the Bush's were terrible. and Obama will end up being the worst since WW2- because he was unable to carry out his campaign promises for raising revenues.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2011 11:54:25 GMT -5
How can you say a sitting senator during the meltdown had nothing to do with it? The same way he "Inherited" everything bad, even though he sat in Congress allowing the madness to happen. pretty weak argument against a junior senator. being there to watch does not make a person responsible. especially with a ship as big as the USS USA.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 24, 2011 11:59:51 GMT -5
Ok without beating this Obama fraud thing into the ground...Obama is under a microscope with the budget crisis looming so every word or deed he does is going to be scrutinized....But if he fails to lead watch the long knives come out again and attack his leadership.
BTW I am a Dem and retired military so I don't take any comfort in calling our Commander in Chief a fraud or a charlatan and it does bother me somewhat at times... But again there are times when I think it might just be true which is more disturbing to me...if you understand where I am coming from with this sort of thing..if not forget it..
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2011 12:19:58 GMT -5
[ please stop with the hyperbole. it really doesn't make for interesting discussion- just eyerolls and more hysteria.
and no, i really don't believe it. at all.[/quote] Hyperbole??? Obama is a fraud and charlatan based silely on his weak leadership for the past 2 & 1/2 years in the White House...his approval rating is only @43 % - @49% which say that more than half of those polled disapprove of him...why?? Because he is a fraud and a charlatan...so deal with it if he cannot turn things around in 1 more year..IMHO Yes, he is a fraud, as he did not have sufficent background experience to be experise in any area of the highest office in the land. House Minority Leader Eric Cantor pulled out of WH budget talks led by the VP saying the 2 sides have reached an impasse over tax increases. A congressman from the floor asked, "Where's our President"? BO had no experience in the field of economics, never ran a business in the private sector, oblivious to economic growth, balancing the budget or new energy resources. Resorting now to printing money and moving it around to cover our loans. He can do a lot of damage in 1 more year and believe he does not even realize the dire conseqences ahead if he doesn't wake up. As Steve Wynn said, people in Vegas live in fear and uncertainty every day one of highest states with house foreclosures. If we have to default on our debt, that will be the end of the American dollar. I do not think this even concerns BO or he would be more intense on at least trying to rectify some of these problems instead of laughing about not having "shovel ready jobs". K to you P.I. the qualifications for president are that you be "natural born" and 35 years old. you don't need to graduate high school. you don't need to have been a governer, a senator, or an "executive". you don't need to be a Christian. you don't need to have served in the military. it is YOUR OPINION that he was unqualified. and it is not an uncommon opinion. my own is that a sufficiently worldly grocery clerk who meets the requirements laid down in the constitution is qualified. i would like to think i live in a nation that is evolved enough to manage to elect one of their own. but if not, i am good with that too, even if the constitution has nothing to say about it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2011 12:21:56 GMT -5
Ok without beating this Obama fraud thing into the ground...Obama is under a microscope with the budget crisis looming so every word or deed he does is going to be scrutinized....But if he fails to lead watch the long knives come out again and attack his leadership. BTW I am a Dem and retired military so I don't take any comfort in calling our Commander in Chief a fraud or a charlatan and it does bother me somewhat at times... But again there are times when I think it might just be true which is more disturbing to me...if you understand where I am coming from with this sort of thing..if not forget it.. i am pretty good at understanding things, PI. and i am a Republican, for the record, although a pretty "liberal" one, by current standards.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 24, 2011 12:22:50 GMT -5
Harry Truman was not a college grad and was a store clerk before entering Congress...and he did a good job after some initial stumbles as our President.
I think the problem is the voters expected more from Obama than what he has given them...and this is the opnion of a lot of dems and repubs who I have debated this issue with for the past two years
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2011 12:24:09 GMT -5
Yes, he is a fraud, as he did not have sufficent background experience to be experise in any area of the highest office in the land. House Minority Leader Eric Cantor pulled out of WH budget talks led by the VP saying the 2 sides have reached an impasse over tax increases. A congressman from the floor asked, "Where's our President"? BO had no experience in the field of economics, never ran a business in the private sector, oblivious to economic growth, balancing the budget or new energy resources. Resorting now to printing money and moving it around to cover our loans. He can do a lot of damage in 1 more year and believe he does not even realize the dire conseqences ahead if he doesn't wake up. As Steve Wynn said, people in Vegas live in fear and uncertainty every day one of highest states with house foreclosures. If we have to default on our debt, that will be the end of the American dollar. I do not think this even concerns BO or he would be more intense on at least trying to rectify some of these problems instead of laughing about not having "shovel ready jobs". K to you P.I. Hilarious. You don't even know who controls the money supply. Hint, it is not Obama. Not even close. true enough. in fact, it is shocking how little public control there is of the money supply, when you think about it.
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