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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 11:33:14 GMT -5
Let's see you voted for Ron Paul who thinks Obama is a fraud....but you disagree and think Obama is NOT a fraud and Ron Paul is wrong with his assessment of Obama??? Ok but if you listen to Ron Paul's interview on CNN over 3 + years ago his reasoning for calling Obama a fraud was a pretty good call don't you agree...?? He made a strong case against Obama and said the same thing at the Republican Debate a few weeks ago in NH.....it will be interesting to see what Ron Paul says about last night's speech re:Afghanistan by Obama....you might want to check it out..
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 11:36:15 GMT -5
PI- do you think Obama was US born? if not, do you seriously think that his parents planned to make him a Manchurian Candidate in 1958, when Jim Crow was still in full bloom, and over half the states had laws against mixed marriages? I always said that I thought Obama was born in Hawaii and never supported the so called "Birther" fiasco and I think Donald Trump was just hyping and spinning the "Birther" thing to get air time on TV IMHO
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 23, 2011 11:45:49 GMT -5
Let's see you voted for Ron Paul who thinks Obama is a fraud....but you disagree and think Obama is NOT a fraud and Ron Paul is wrong with his assessment of Obama??? PI- you claimed that Obama is the greatest fraud in history, or something of the sort. not that he is the sort of minor fraud that we get pretty much every election cycle. so let me be perfectly clear: i think that Bush and Bush were frauds. i think that Clinton was a fraud. i think that Reagan was a fraud. i think that Carter was a fraud. all of them campaigned for one thing and did another. that is to be expected, imo. to assume that anything different is going to happen in an era of popular elections appealing to the selfish interests of a diverse constituency is to engage is self delusion. if you think that Obama is worse by degrees than the rest, then i respectfully disagree.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 11:46:50 GMT -5
PI- you claimed that Obama is the greatest fraud in history, or something of the sort. not that he is the sort of minor fraud that we get pretty much every election cycle. so let me be perfectly clear:
Not quite but I think there is some validity to the case being made by Political Experts who think Obama is a fraud and a charlatan because the voters were fooled by him to support his candidacy for president.... those who think Obama is indeed a fraud and charlatan are not all right wing nut jobs but Dems, Repubs, and Independents...Two of the most vocal are both Ron, and Rand Paul and they may say something stupid but both do know a fraud when they see one...IMHO
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Post by SweetVirginia on Jun 23, 2011 11:47:16 GMT -5
Many of us who voted for Obama are not happy with him because he went too far to the center and even the right on some issues. He went off the progressive track and that is why I will not vote for him again. I most certainly will not be voting for whichever of the clowns and freaks ends up winning the republican nomination either (unless it is Ron Paul) Sweet, I am not trying to be mean, but this is just such a plain, stupid post. Obama, versus Paul. And you would vote for Paul? If this is actually true, you had absolutely no busines voting for Obama in 2008. Absolutely none. We, The Conservative right at P&M tried to warn Americans what would happen if Obama was elected. Unfortunayely, for America, and especially the working class, we are now paying the price for their decision. Ron Paul is not the answer. That is similar to electing ole Jack Kevorkian to the Presidency. Both would eauthanize the country if they had the opportunity. Of course they would accomplish it much faster than President Obama's agenda is............ Not trying to mean either value, but your post is rude and arrogant. First of all, I had complete business voting for Obama because this is the United States of America and I can vote for whomever I please. Second, the alternative to Obama was McCain and Palin. (need I say more?) I am certain that we would be even worse off if the likes of those two would have been elected. You dont have to like Ron Paul, that is your American prerogative. Santorum, Bachmann, Newt, Romney...none of them are fit to lead this country. They would just continue the disastrous policies of the past 30 plus years. I feel that we need someone who is completely out of the "business as usual" mold. Ron Paul could be that person. That is my personal opinion which I am entitled to.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 23, 2011 11:47:22 GMT -5
but if you listen to Ron Paul's interview on CNN over 3 + years ago his reasoning for calling Obama a fraud was a pretty good call don't you agree...?? He made a strong case against Obama and said the same thing at the Republican Debate a few weeks ago in NH.....it will be interesting to see what Ron Paul says about last night's speech re:Afghanistan by Obama....you might want to check it out.. Ron didn't claim that Obama was the worst fraud in History. he thinks everyone is a fraud. and he is mostly correct. politics is second only to magic in terms of necessary illusions.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 23, 2011 11:50:29 GMT -5
PI- here is what i mean.
Bush campaigned as sort of a Jacksonian woodsman from Texas, but he is nothing of the sort. he is a prep-school silver spoon whose lineage can be traced to the British Royal Family. he was born to wealth, has done a pretty shitty job of managing wealth in his lifetime, imo, and will die with it. the accent, the cowboy hat, and practically everything about him is fake.
was he an effective president? yes, imo. he had objectives, and he obtained them.
was he a fraud? absolutely.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 23, 2011 11:58:59 GMT -5
Let's see you voted for Ron Paul who thinks Obama is a fraud....but you disagree and think Obama is NOT a fraud and Ron Paul is wrong with his assessment of Obama??? PI- you claimed that Obama is the greatest fraud in history, or something of the sort. not that he is the sort of minor fraud that we get pretty much every election cycle. so let me be perfectly clear: i think that Bush and Bush were frauds. i think that Clinton was a fraud. i think that Reagan was a fraud. i think that Carter was a fraud. all of them campaigned for one thing and did another. that is to be expected, imo. to assume that anything different is going to happen in an era of popular elections appealing to the selfish interests of a diverse constituency is to engage is self delusion. if you think that Obama is worse by degrees than the rest, then i respectfully disagree. Okay, I see that "fraud" is being used in a very generic way. The Eternal Truths an eschatological laundry list -- a partial register of the 927 (or was it 928?) eternal truths by Sheldon Kopp, author of GURU ... 19. Everyone lies, cheats, pretends (yes, you too, and most certainly I myself). ...
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 12:01:20 GMT -5
Bush lost me when he said "Major Combat Operatons In Baghdad Are Over" on board a USS Aircraft Carrier in 2003...
Ron Paul has been very critical of Obama and much of his criticism is based on facts and research he and his son have done...
Rand Paul has been very critical of Obamacare, and Obama's ideas to cut spending...not sure if he has called Obama a fraud or not but his father has and I would assume he agrees ??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 12:08:50 GMT -5
You've got your game on today, PI!! I'm just reading... Hey, where did you get that article on the last page, the longish one? I'd like to browse there.. ;D
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 12:18:05 GMT -5
You've got your game on today, PI!! I'm just reading... Hey, where did you get that article on the last page, the longish one? I'd like to browse there.. ;D I just googled "Obama is the biggest Fraud and Charlatan in our lifetime''and picked the one written by Neil Snyder who I have read before....he is probably one of the strongest critics of Obama and makes a pretty good case, I think?? Also the National Review has had similar articles written by conservatives who also think Obama had not done much for the economic recovery and his hope and change are a fraud
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 23, 2011 12:28:46 GMT -5
PI- do you think Obama was US born? if not, do you seriously think that his parents planned to make him a Manchurian Candidate in 1958, when Jim Crow was still in full bloom, and over half the states had laws against mixed marriages? I always said that I thought Obama was born in Hawaii and never supported the so called "Birther" fiasco and I think Donald Trump was just hyping and spinning the "Birther" thing to get air time on TV IMHO Me, too. I did add that it was President Obama that dragged this issue out by failing to simply produce the longform birth certificate. Now that he has, I am of the opinion it is the Birthers that need to let it go. It's over.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 12:39:00 GMT -5
I must admit that I was surprised last night with Obama's speech about the so called "Drawdown" in Afghanistan.....my only criticism for what it is worth that I thought he was much too brief....but overall good to see he wants to bring our troops home but not fast enough for most, I think.
He never went into much detail about the withdrawals after 2012??? And why we would have troops in the Afghan for two more years or until 2014...
But then again Obama is our Commander in Chief so hopefully he made the right call for Afghanistan but the public mood is against that long ten year war...And let's give Obama the benefit of the doubt that he is not just playing politics again with our troops in Harm's Way in the Afghan
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 12:56:58 GMT -5
I don't know, PI. Lots of people are saying the troops left after the withdrawals are going to be in grave danger. That's why "the surge" troops were sent in. Fighting is not down, and the Generals don't like this decision. I guess we'll see. My son-in-law just re-enlisted in the Reserves, and his .. don't know what you call it, the guys that are in his same place in Tucson???..... they are in Afghanistan right now, and my son-in-laws group was supposed to replace them a long time ago. They are supposed to come home soon, and I wonder if my SIL's unit will still go? God, I hope a bunch of green kids that never saw war before aren't sent in at this point when he is pulling troops out with the battle still raging.. I'm a wimp, was glad he made it out without going, but he loves it and re-enlisted.. Guess we'll see.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 23, 2011 13:16:44 GMT -5
No evidence Obama is a fraud but a gigantic pile of Pubcrappe. Never before has crappe been piled so high, but it's still crappe.
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Post by handyman2 on Jun 23, 2011 13:20:13 GMT -5
I was watching the news last night and it was pointed out that there are swarms of private contractors in Afganistan. No mention of what they were going to do about them. Leave them to thier own survival?
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Post by handyman2 on Jun 23, 2011 13:23:19 GMT -5
What we may see is a mad scramble at the end like a repeat of Vietnam. I can see where the generals don't like the draw down idea.
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Post by verrip1 on Jun 23, 2011 13:26:14 GMT -5
Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance. There is a tape of him in a closed hotel bedroom with a guy named Bruno, a notorious Austrian gay, with Bruno having his pants down.
This revelation will be a blockbuster!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 13:31:22 GMT -5
Somewhere on this board an article was posted yesterday about the contractors. More of them than troops, I think it said, and how deceptive it is to the numbers REALLY over there. Somebody is getting rich here, lots of somebodies, I assume.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 23, 2011 13:31:32 GMT -5
PS- this is a super bad recession. and it is bad for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with Obama. i doubt any president would have done much better than Obama. in fact, i doubt any president would have done much DIFFERENTLY than Obama, with the possible exception of Paul, which is why i voted for him. How can you say a sitting senator during the meltdown had nothing to do with it?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 13:40:30 GMT -5
No evidence Obama is a fraud but a gigantic pile of Pubcrappe. Never before has crappe been piled so high, but it's still crappe. You missed this: 'If the president had a strategy for dealing with our deficit and debt problems, he would have presented it long ago -- in detail. He could have used his budget commission's plan to get our fiscal house in order as the launching pad to introduce his strategy, and he would have if he had one. President Obama's silence at that critical moment was deafening, and yesterday's Johnny-come-lately gimmick was nothing more than an attempt to avoid the appearance of incompetence -- a trick that is becoming increasingly difficult for him to pull off even among his once ardent supporters. The president's "plan" to call on legislators to find a solution to our deficit and debt problems by the end of June a week after Rep. Ryan submitted his plan to the House of Representatives is laughable. Again, that's not strategy. It's just empty words.
Mr. Obama's strategic void has been on display in the Middle East since the Arab Spring began in January. For instance, consider Egypt. Obama stood with our long-time ally, Hosni Mubarak, and then he didn't. Then he stood with him again until the political winds shifted, at which point Obama announced that it was time for Mr. Mubarak to go. Our president has demonstrated the same lack of strategic resolve on matters related to Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Bahrain, Yemen, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. Our president's inability to grasp strategic concepts is so pervasive that the King of Saudi Arabia said recently that President Obama is a threat to Saudi Arabia's internal security. I think he's a threat to our internal security as well.".........Neil Snyder
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 23, 2011 13:40:39 GMT -5
PS- this is a super bad recession. and it is bad for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with Obama. i doubt any president would have done much better than Obama. in fact, i doubt any president would have done much DIFFERENTLY than Obama, with the possible exception of Paul, which is why i voted for him. How can you say a sitting senator during the meltdown had nothing to do with it? The same way he "Inherited" everything bad, even though he sat in Congress allowing the madness to happen.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 13:44:12 GMT -5
[quote author=krickitt board=politics thread=10321 post=416261 time=1308853882]Somewhere on this board an article was posted yesterday about the contractors. More of them than troops, I think it said, and how deceptive it is to the numbers REALLY over there. Somebody is getting rich here, lots of somebodies, I assume. [/quote][/color]
Krickitt..........FYI....Private Contractors in a war zone make big bucks....On average they earn more in one day than a grunt makes in a month..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 13:57:00 GMT -5
No word about any of them coming home, is there??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 13:59:57 GMT -5
So, like Henry pointed out yesterday-- we are bringing home 30,000 warriors to a dead economy and dumping them, but these contractors will.. what?? Stay there and make big bucks?? I remember the hubbub over Bush contractors-- who are Obama's?? WHO is getting rich in these wars when out kids are getting dumped in to a dead economy?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 14:07:31 GMT -5
No word about any of them coming home, is there?? No and you may see an increase of private contractors in the Afghan as we draw down our troops on the ground whch could be a concern if the congress is serious about cuting costs in the Afghanistan country rebuilding programs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 14:11:55 GMT -5
Is there a short way to explain that one, PI?? The troops, low pay, get pulled, but the contractors, high pay, stay and increase numbers? Who pays them? US??? Gov't contracts, right? How do the $$$$ work out on that one in a sensible way, or is this just one of those things we...sshhhh... don't ask questions about?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 14:21:15 GMT -5
Is there a short way to explain that one, PI?? The troops, low pay, get pulled, but the contractors, high pay, stay and increase numbers? Who pays them? US??? Gov't contracts, right? How do the $$$$ work out on that one in a sensible way, or is this just one of those things we...sshhhh... don't ask questions about? [/color
Yea the private contractors will perform many of the non combat jobs that the troops peformed.... or let's say the average pay for grunts is @$2000.00 per month the contractors working with him or her could earn that much in one day (rough estimate)
Private Contractors also get per diem, hazardous duty and bonuses which add to their base pay...so most earn @$100,000.00 per year...would be my guess
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 23, 2011 14:30:15 GMT -5
So, like Henry pointed out yesterday-- we are bringing home 30,000 warriors to a dead economy and dumping them, I'd take our shitty economy stateside rather than deployment in a hot, dry sand box. Hostile fire pay isn't worth it, IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 15:21:40 GMT -5
Who pays the private contractors?
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