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Post by EVT1 on Jun 22, 2011 18:17:18 GMT -5
Nothing shocking about the poll- 30% will definitely re-elect, 36% definitely will not. So?
Good point made:
"At the same time, Americans are skeptical that Republican control of the White House and Congress will be a better prescription for their economic wellbeing. Sixty percent said that any Republican candidate will need to move so far to the right on fiscal and social issues to win their party’s nomination that it will be very hard to back the nominee."
Thank the tea party for your upcoming loss.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 22, 2011 18:24:58 GMT -5
Nothing shocking about the poll- 30% will definitely re-elect, 36% definitely will not. So? Good point made: "At the same time, Americans are skeptical that Republican control of the White House and Congress will be a better prescription for their economic wellbeing. Sixty percent said that any Republican candidate will need to move so far to the right on fiscal and social issues to win their party’s nomination that it will be very hard to back the nominee." Thank the tea party for your upcoming loss. i would not be nearly so confident, evt. i think he stands a good chance, but he clearly needs a few more things to go RIGHT for him. he will get no help from congress, that is for damned sure.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 22, 2011 18:31:25 GMT -5
This is even stupider than the Rasmussen "who's the angriest" poll. Not surprising all the 20%ers think it's truth...
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Post by handyman2 on Jun 22, 2011 18:53:37 GMT -5
Just reading this board makes the idea that only three in ten would vote for him a mis-conception.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 23, 2011 9:07:31 GMT -5
Many of us who voted for Obama are not happy with him because he went too far to the center and even the right on some issues. He went off the progressive track and that is why I will not vote for him again. I most certainly will not be voting for whichever of the clowns and freaks ends up winning the republican nomination either (unless it is Ron Paul) Sweet, I am not trying to be mean, but this is just such a plain, stupid post. Obama, versus Paul. And you would vote for Paul? If this is actually true, you had absolutely no busines voting for Obama in 2008. Absolutely none. We, The Conservative right at P&M tried to warn Americans what would happen if Obama was elected. Unfortunayely, for America, and especially the working class, we are now paying the price for their decision. Ron Paul is not the answer. That is similar to electing ole Jack Kevorkian to the Presidency. Both would eauthanize the country if they had the opportunity. Of course they would accomplish it much faster than President Obama's agenda is............
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 9:31:16 GMT -5
We, The Conservative right at P&M tried to warn Americans what would happen if Obama was elected. Unfortunately, for America, and especially the working class, we are now paying the price for their decision. Ron Paul is not the answer. That is similar to electing ole Jack Kevorkian to the Presidency. Both would euthanize the country if they had the opportunity. Of course they would accomplish it much faster than President IBM's agenda is............ [/quote][/color]
OK Ron Paul is not the answer but then again who is??? Bachmann?? Pawlenty?? Santorum?? Romney?? Gingrich?? Hunstman??
I don't think so and that means without a strong challenger to Obama we could all be doomed for four more years of that fraudulent president of the USA..
I think our only hope for this country is if Obama's approval ratings are so low that he is eased out the door by the DNC and then Hillary is pressured to run in his place.....wishful thinking?? Maybe but it could happen..and we have seen stranger things happen in this country..
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 23, 2011 9:34:37 GMT -5
We, The Conservative right at P&M tried to warn Americans what would happen if Obama was elected.
The assumption here is that if someone else had been elected, we would be in better shape. That is an easy to make/impossible to prove assumption.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 23, 2011 9:36:45 GMT -5
... .. .fraudulent president of the USA..... What is the basis of this claim of fraud?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 9:37:57 GMT -5
In 2008 on the MSN P&M Message Board I started a thread that suggested General Colin Powell would be a better alternative to defeat Obama than McCain/Palin.....and I think many of you who were member three years ago recall that discussion...but then Powell decided to NOT toss his hat into the ring in 2008...
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 9:40:03 GMT -5
THE GREATEST FRAUD AND CHARLATAN OF THE YOUR LIFETIME............. IS LIVING IN THE WHITE HOUSE
April 14, 2011 Obama's Strategy? He Doesn't Have One By Neil Snyder One thing stands out in my mind about President Obama's so-called "budget strategy." He doesn't have one. You can see evidence of Mr. Obama's strategic vacuum in everything he does. Take the much ballyhooed budget speech he gave yesterday at George Washington University, for example. It contradicts the message he delivered as a part of his 10-year budget just a few short weeks ago. All of the evidence points to the fact that Obama's "budget strategy" is simply a kneejerk reaction to Rep. Paul Ryan's (R-Wisconsin) budget proposal which really does reflect strategic thinking. It's been said, and it's true, that talk is cheap. Talk seems to be the only arrow in Mr. Obama's quiver.
The president's speech droned on for about an hour and when it was over, the most memorable thing about it was its lack of specificity. The phrase "my plan," which he used repeatedly is not a substitute for specifics, and the examples he used to support his "plan" were woefully inadequate. Take infrastructure spending, for instance. The president explained that he would spend on infrastructure. Who's against that? No one. Problem is, infrastructure spending was supposed to be the primary focus of his stimulus package. Two years ago, we were told about the "shovel-ready projects" that would get us out of the Great Recession and fix our crumbling roads and bridges in the process. Two years and hundreds of billions of dollars later, what does the record show? We still have crumbling roads and bridges, precious little construction work, and more deficits and debt than any generation of Americans has ever seen with more to come. That's not strategy. It's business as usual. Paraphrasing Albert Einstein, "The quality of thinking that got us here won't get us out of here."
If the president had a strategy for dealing with our deficit and debt problems, he would have presented it long ago -- in detail. He could have used his budget commission's plan to get our fiscal house in order as the launching pad to introduce his strategy, and he would have if he had one. President Obama's silence at that critical moment was deafening, and yesterday's Johnny-come-lately gimmick was nothing more than an attempt to avoid the appearance of incompetence -- a trick that is becoming increasingly difficult for him to pull off even among his once ardent supporters. The president's "plan" to call on legislators to find a solution to our deficit and debt problems by the end of June a week after Rep. Ryan submitted his plan to the House of Representatives is laughable. Again, that's not strategy. It's just empty words.
Mr. Obama's strategic void has been on display in the Middle East since the Arab Spring began in January. For instance, consider Egypt. Obama stood with our long-time ally, Hosni Mubarak, and then he didn't. Then he stood with him again until the political winds shifted, at which point Obama announced that it was time for Mr. Mubarak to go. Our president has demonstrated the same lack of strategic resolve on matters related to Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Bahrain, Yemen, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. Our president's inability to grasp strategic concepts is so pervasive that the King of Saudi Arabia said recently that President Obama is a threat to Saudi Arabia's internal security. I think he's a threat to our internal security as well.
Mr. Obama did have a strategy for getting elected to the highest office in the land, but it wasn't his. Whose plan it was remains a mystery, as does almost everything else about our president, from the hospital where he was born to his SAT and LSAT scores to his academic performance records to his golf handicap. Even so, the facts are beginning to emerge. Take his first autobiography, for example. Jack Cashill's Deconstructing Obama suggests strongly that Obama didn't write it and that Bill Ayers probably did.
It's looking a lot like someone or some group carefully orchestrated a comprehensive strategy to take an obscure Illinois lawyer specializing in community organizing from nowhere to the White House. That plan will go down in the annals of history as a strategic masterpiece -- a stroke of genius. No one deft enough to devise a scheme for Obama's political ascension could be so strategically clumsy in office.
A few days ago, Mort Zuckerman, a publishing and real estate magnate, said on CNBC that Donald Trump's autobiography would be the greatest love story ever told. Mr. Trump wants to be president, and he's distancing himself from other wannabes by calling into question Mr. Obama's place of birth. I don't support Trump's candidacy, but I applaud his willingness to challenge Mr. Obama to come clean and divulge the facts. That's something Republican stalwarts haven't done; it's something the mainstream media failed to do; and it's something ordinary citizens need to know. The unraveling of Mr. Obama's past will be interesting to say the least, but this much is certain already. Barack Obama, a.k.a President Obama, is not a strategist. At best, he's a skillful opportunist
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 23, 2011 9:52:22 GMT -5
Yep. That's because the only thing Obama has every really 'done', if anything at all is agitate south side Chicago mobs.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 9:54:32 GMT -5
It's looking a lot like someone or some group carefully orchestrated a comprehensive strategy to take an obscure Illinois lawyer specializing in community organizing from nowhere to the White House. That plan will go down in the annals of history as a strategic masterpiece -- a stroke of genius. No one deft enough to devise a scheme for Obama's political ascension could be so strategically clumsy in office.
Even many of the Liberal Elite are beginning to agree with this view by Neil Snyder..
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 23, 2011 9:55:02 GMT -5
In 2008 on the MSN P&M Message Board I started a thread that suggested General Colin Powell would be a better alternative to defeat Obama than McCain/Palin.....and I think many of you who were member three years ago recall that discussion...but then Powell decided to NOT toss his hat into the ring in 2008... It will likely be a Powell and/or Wesley Clark that goes 'third party' to hand the election to Obama (or attempt to hand it to Obama). Another theory I have goes like this: This ain't 1992. The wishy washy moderate will be the third party candidate this time. The hard left guy with a failed record is in the white house this time. There will be a clear, conservative alternative to both-- and the moderate will actually split the leftist and left-leaning vote having the opposite effect from the Perot-Bush split in 1992.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 23, 2011 9:57:32 GMT -5
Yep. That's because the only thing Obama has every really 'done', if anything at all is agitate south side Chicago mobs. Paul, are you keeping up on Rahmn Emmanuel and his dictatorship in Chicago? He has so many problems blowing up, it is like he is playing the "Whack a mole" game at the carnival. Mayor Daley kept everyone in line, but now it is like the inmates have been cut loose from the asylum.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 23, 2011 10:06:58 GMT -5
... Mr. Obama's place of birth... Birther. Got it.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 10:11:01 GMT -5
THE GREATEST FRAUD AND CHARLATAN OF THE YOUR LIFETIME............. IS LIVING IN THE WHITE HOUSE
So deal with it..
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 23, 2011 10:13:39 GMT -5
... Mr. Obama's place of birth... Birther. Got it.Are you just finding out now that Trump is a birther? What rock have 'ya been hiding under Bills?? The full line, BTW was "Mr. Trump wants to be president, and he's distancing himself from other wannabes by calling into question Mr. Obama's place of birth."
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 10:18:54 GMT -5
September 11, 2009 12:00 A.M. Charlatan-in-Chief The core of Obama's medical-care plan is the promise of something for nothing. ‘Hubris-laden charlatans” was the way a recent e-mail from a reader characterized the Obama administration. That phrase seems especially appropriate for the Charlatan-in-Chief, Barack Obama, whose speech to the joint session of Congress was both a masterpiece of rhetoric and a shameless fraud. To tell us, with a straight face, that he can insure millions more people without adding to the already skyrocketing deficit is world-class chutzpah and an insult to anyone’s intelligence. To do so after an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office has already showed this to be impossible reveals the depths of moral bankruptcy behind the glittering words. Did we really need CBO experts to tell us that there is no free lunch? Some people probably did, and the true believers in the Obama cult may still believe the president, instead of believing either common sense or budget experts. www.nationalreview.com/articles/228226/charlatan-chief/thomas-sowell
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 23, 2011 10:19:35 GMT -5
Are you just finding out now that Trump is a birther? What rock have 'ya been hiding under Bills?? The full line, BTW was "Mr. Trump wants to be president, and he's distancing himself from other wannabes by calling into question Mr. Obama's place of birth." Question asked: ... .. .fraudulent president of the USA..... What is the basis of this claim of fraud? P.I. answered with reply #41 indicating that he called Obama's presidency a fraud because of the birth certificate issue, i.e. P.I. is a "birther".
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 10:20:57 GMT -5
A few days ago, Mort Zuckerman, a publishing and real estate magnate, said on CNBC that Donald Trump's autobiography would be the greatest love story ever told. Mr. Trump wants to be president, and he's distancing himself from other wannabes by calling into question Mr. Obama's place of birth. I don't support Trump's candidacy, but I applaud his willingness to challenge Mr. Obama to come clean and divulge the facts. That's something Republican stalwarts haven't done; it's something the mainstream media failed to do; and it's something ordinary citizens need to know. The unraveling of Mr. Obama's past will be interesting to say the least, but this much is certain already. Barack Obama, a.k.a President Obama, is not a strategist. At best, he's a skillful opportunist
These are the thoughts of Neil Snyder...not of a so called "Birther" And it was Donald Trump who raised the questions about Obama' birth and not Snyder....
And Hey I have been labeled much worse than a "Birther"& that is both tame and lame...even had my military service denigrated by the Liberal Wannabes here so guess what?? I have to deal with it, I guess??
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 23, 2011 10:32:35 GMT -5
i.e. P.I. is a "birther". Got ya. Still not breaking news though, is it?
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 23, 2011 10:35:02 GMT -5
I have to deal with it, I guess?? It's either that or lose sleep over it. I haven't lost any sleep over the labels that have been applied to me, so I do the "ignore it" thing rather than deal with it.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 10:39:10 GMT -5
It's either that or lose sleep over it. I haven't lost any sleep over the labels that have been applied to me, so I do the "ignore it" thing rather than deal with it. Maybe we should swap labels I will give you my "Troll" "Mod Basher" for one of yours ....how about a two for one?? It must be that intelligent, white, anglo saxon, conservative male thing that has the so caled Liberal Elite's hair on fire here, I guess??
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 23, 2011 10:51:09 GMT -5
THE GREATEST FRAUD AND CHARLATAN OF THE YOUR LIFETIME............. IS LIVING IN THE WHITE HOUSESo deal with it.. please stop with the hyperbole. it really doesn't make for interesting discussion- just eyerolls and more hysteria. and no, i really don't believe it. at all.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 10:58:16 GMT -5
[ please stop with the hyperbole. it really doesn't make for interesting discussion- just eyerolls and more hysteria.
and no, i really don't believe it. at all.[/quote] Hyperbole??? Obama is a fraud and charlatan based silely on his weak leadership for the past 2 & 1/2 years in the White House...his approval rating is only @43 % - @49% which say that more than half of those polled disapprove of him...why?? Because he is a fraud and a charlatan...so deal with it if he cannot turn things around in 1 more year..IMHO
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 23, 2011 11:16:57 GMT -5
[ please stop with the hyperbole. it really doesn't make for interesting discussion- just eyerolls and more hysteria.
and no, i really don't believe it. at all.[/quote] Hyperbole??? Obama is a fraud and charlatan based silely on his weak leadership for the past 2 & 1/2 years in the White House...his approval rating is only @43 % - @49% which say that more than half of those polled disapprove of him...why?? Because he is a fraud and a charlatan...so deal with it if he cannot turn things around in 1 more year..IMHO deal with what? i voted for Ron Paul, PI. i just don't think you are being reasonable. yes. hyperbole. Chester Arthur was a fraud. and there have been lots of weak presidents. i honestly don't think that Obama even comes close to a US Grant or Hoover, and i can't imagine how anyone not obsessed with minutae would feel any differently.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 23, 2011 11:19:01 GMT -5
PS- this is a super bad recession. and it is bad for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with Obama. i doubt any president would have done much better than Obama. in fact, i doubt any president would have done much DIFFERENTLY than Obama, with the possible exception of Paul, which is why i voted for him.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 11:23:10 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 23, 2011 11:26:09 GMT -5
i am aware of that. Ron Paul says a lot of stupid stuff. i don't worship him as an orator. i just like his economic sensibilities and foreign policy positions. imo, he should focus on that stuff, and leave the fraud circus to nutcases like Orly Taitz (whom i find incredibly entertaining, for the record. it is not every day you get to hear a Moldovian dentist petition the SCOTUS for prosecution of social security fraud!).
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 23, 2011 11:28:21 GMT -5
PI- do you think Obama was US born? if not, do you seriously think that his parents planned to make him a Manchurian Candidate in 1958, when Jim Crow was still in full bloom, and over half the states had laws against mixed marriages?
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