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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 16:46:16 GMT -5
I know several scientists of impressive intellectual and academic stature who do. Your statement is false prima facie.  Plus, I heard that your astronaut, pro football, world chess champion son who invented the electric toaster also believes in ID. Oh my. No you don't dude. |
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 16:48:34 GMT -5
Actually, Kansas may be worse.... Do you know people actually plan their whole vacation around visiting the Creationism museum there?Is this any worse than people planning their vacation to go see a hole in the ground shoot water (Ole' Faithfull, Yellowstone), See giant trees (Redwood National Forest, Cali) or to see age and weatherworn faces carved in rock (Mt. Rushmore, SD) Absolutely not. We have Star Wars conventions, too. Fantasy is good. Unfortunately some cannot distinguish between fantasy and reality which is why we have public schools that teach science. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2011 16:48:48 GMT -5
I guess too that I may be influenced by my peer group... Do you all know about the Enns / Ham debate that went on in homsechool circles earlier this year... ?? ....
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 16:52:20 GMT -5
No, elucidate pls?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 16:53:47 GMT -5
Oh, and my son has no interest in becoming an astronaut, playing pro football, or chess.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 18, 2011 16:54:05 GMT -5
I shall leave you to believe what you will, sir.  My regards to Ms. times for indulging me. Hunger calls. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2011 16:55:08 GMT -5
Interesting pole. I didn't agree with any of the answers though. Now if you had one just about lawyers  (I have several lawyers in my family & 1 judge). |
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 18, 2011 16:56:36 GMT -5
...I have some friends who home school... was this the tiff about the Biblical inerrancy and the book of Genesis?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2011 17:03:01 GMT -5
I'll summarize. Lets just say Ham is old school creationism, and Enns believe its possible to marry Christianity and science, and strengthen them both in doing so. Ham made some negative public statements about Enns and his views and Ham was subsequently uninvited from speaking at several homeschool conferences. There was a huge controvesy... anyway, suffice it to say, many, many people do not view anything as truth but strict adherence to creationism... they are the same ones, that i know, and that i see in the media, who also support ID....
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 17:05:38 GMT -5
Ham got what he deserved it seems. See this is what worries me about homeschooling. Who knows how these kids are being brainwashed and fed nonsense?
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 18, 2011 17:08:55 GMT -5
I'll summarize. Lets just say Ham is old school creationism, and Enns believe its possible to marry Christianity and science, and strengthen them both in doing so. Ham made some negative public statements about Enns and his views and Ham was subsequently uninvited from speaking at several homeschool conferences. There was a huge controvesy... anyway, suffice it to say, many, many people do not view anything as truth but strict adherence to creationism... they are the same ones, that i know, and that i see in the media, who also support ID.... ...well, strict adherence to Creationism necessitates supporting ID... correct? |
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 18, 2011 17:10:01 GMT -5
Ham got what he deserved it seems. See this is what worries me about homeschooling. Who knows how these kids are being brainwashed and fed nonsense? ...then why decry others who take issue with what is being taught in public schools? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2011 17:12:46 GMT -5
I just wish there were more secular homeschool conferences... i may have to start one... Ham was still invited to the one nearest me, and i don't know if that influenced it at all? ... but it was MUCH more religious in nature this year... no funny t-shirt stand... the science people i like didn't attend, although i know they were originally going to...
I may have to start a secular one...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2011 17:14:08 GMT -5
I'll summarize. Lets just say Ham is old school creationism, and Enns believe its possible to marry Christianity and science, and strengthen them both in doing so. Ham made some negative public statements about Enns and his views and Ham was subsequently uninvited from speaking at several homeschool conferences. There was a huge controvesy... anyway, suffice it to say, many, many people do not view anything as truth but strict adherence to creationism... they are the same ones, that i know, and that i see in the media, who also support ID.... ...well, strict adherence to Creationism necessitates supporting ID... correct? I thought you (someone?) was suggesting that ID was not just repackaged Creationism... that it was somehow scientifically more valid. And i was saying, the people i know who support ID, are strict Creationists... they support it for RELIGIOUS reasons, not scientific ones... |
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 17:15:49 GMT -5
...well, strict adherence to Creationism necessitates supporting ID... correct? I thought you (someone?) was suggesting that ID was not just repackaged Creationism... that it was somehow scientifically more valid. And i was saying, the people i know who support ID, are strict Creationists... they support it for RELIGIOUS reasons, not scientific ones... It is a slick packaging I am told but the courts saw through that. Truth is like syphilis. Hard to hide it for ever. |
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 17:17:14 GMT -5
Ham got what he deserved it seems. See this is what worries me about homeschooling. Who knows how these kids are being brainwashed and fed nonsense? ...then why decry others who take issue with what is being taught in public schools? Decry all you want. I personally think education sucks in US public schools. That's why my son goes to a private school. |
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 18, 2011 17:26:46 GMT -5
...well, strict adherence to Creationism necessitates supporting ID... correct? I thought you (someone?) was suggesting that ID was not just repackaged Creationism... that it was somehow scientifically more valid. And i was saying, the people i know who support ID, are strict Creationists... they support it for RELIGIOUS reasons, not scientific ones... ...not me... but, I was specifically responding to your apparent surprise that Creationists also support ID... did I misread you? |
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 18, 2011 17:27:35 GMT -5
...then why decry others who take issue with what is being taught in public schools? Decry all you want. I personally think education sucks in US public schools. That's why my son goes to a private school. ...I didn't say that I was decrying... I asked why you were... |
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 18, 2011 17:28:23 GMT -5
Both versions of ID are despicable because they attempt to pretend to science. Science requires the ability to validate information by test. How will you do that with either version of ID? At least be honest and put it in the religious class where it belongs. ...an opinion that you've posted in the ID threads, correct? |
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 17:28:55 GMT -5
I don't decry others who think public education in the USA sucks.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 18, 2011 17:31:34 GMT -5
I don't decry others who think public education in the USA sucks. ...well okay then...  |
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 17:33:18 GMT -5
I don't decry others who think public education in the USA sucks. ...well okay then... Ask and ye shall receive. Go in peace my son. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2011 17:35:11 GMT -5
I am not surprised that creationist support ID. Because i think ID is basically creationism packaged as 'science' ... Someone said that ID was NOT just creationism packaged as 'science'. But in my experience, the creationists who support ID, support it because of creationism, and because of their religion, and DO see ID as creationism... So, the idea that ID is not creationism... people i know would fight that... they would support a Ham view of creationism, versus a potential Enns version of ID which might marry creationism and science ...
If that makes sense...
(fwiw... even if ID is more like Enns, and blends creationism and science... it is still blending RELIGION with science... and the religion part of it should NOT be taught in a science class... theolgy... religious studies... that is where it belongs...)
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 18, 2011 17:37:37 GMT -5
I am not surprised that creationist support ID. Because i think ID is basically creationism packaged as 'science' ... Someone said that ID was NOT just creationism packaged as 'science'. But in my experience, the creationists who support ID, support it because of creationism, and because of their religion, and DO see ID as creationism... So, the idea that ID is not creationism... people i know would fight that... they would support a Ham view of creationism, versus a potential Enns version of ED which might marry creationism and science ... If that makes sense... (fwiw... even if ID is more like Enns, and blends creationism and science... it is still blending RELIGION with science... and the religion part of it should NOT be taught in a science class... theolgy... religious studies... that is where it belongs...) ...okay, thanks for clarifying your thoughts... |
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 18, 2011 17:39:07 GMT -5
...well okay then... Ask and ye shall receive. Go in peace my son. ...ah...  |
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 18, 2011 18:25:13 GMT -5
Polls are back in..?? oops forgot, your a MOD ;D
I endorse none of the above and voted that way. {Now my vote will count?}
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 18, 2011 18:37:18 GMT -5
Polls are back in..?? ..... But, guess what dezi, if we can convince a mod that it is a "legitimate" poll, we can now get them to administer it for us. Not sure if it has to be a mod from this forum or just any from any of the forums that can do it. That part isn't clear. |
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 18:42:28 GMT -5
No dez, this "poll" was a slap at me, but I slapped back. This is one of the polls that asks the world renowned question: "When did you stop beating your wife?" You must have hit Virgil pretty hard for him to react in such a childish manner. Go easy on him. He is in a fragile state of mind. |
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 18, 2011 18:43:03 GMT -5
No dez, this "poll" was a slap at me, ...  |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 18, 2011 19:40:37 GMT -5
You must forgive me for taking your posts seriously, Ms. times.  I was wrong to quote you verbatim, run a poll to demonstrate the falsity of your claims, or request clarification. In future I'll assume that every statement you make is like beautiful amorphous goo--lacking all substance and interpretation by design. Forgive?  |
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