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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 13:42:16 GMT -5
bizarre hoarding behavior. seriously.
hoarding food? i get that. buying sacks of beans and rice. yes. i can see that. that will help you survive if there was a SERIOUS supply disruption.
hoarding TP? what the actual hell?
somewhere between bizarre and embarrassing. not worried about eating. worried about wiping your ass.
i just did NOT understand that. at all. still don't.
but whatever rocks your cradle, i guess.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 13:08:35 GMT -5
I think we all added to the toilet roll problem. Instead of buying a pack we brought 3 because we didn't know when it would be in stock again. When my kids came in saying they couldn't get TP anywhere ......... I was able to say "its fine just get some out of the cupboard" This is how these things start, it was Tulip Mania without the supply problem. i found the whole thing astonishing. the only way i could get my head around it by consoling myself with the fact that at least the hoarding item was not perishable. it makes SOME sense to hoard things that you know you will need in the future, and don't spoil. there is a guy that lives in the middle of the Snake River wilderness area. his cabin is on the river. there is no road, and six months out of the year, nobody rafts that river. so he gets six months of supply just before fall comes around. that is the kind of hoarding that makes sense. but Americans had no reason to live like refugees.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 13:04:40 GMT -5
i can't contain myself. i just gotta say this.
when i was traveling to Pacific Mexico a year ago, there was a couple in the pharmacy buying Ivermectin. i am basically 100% sure they were doing it as an investment because of the QUANTITY they were buying. it was about the size of a shoebox. it was in the KILO range. it was far more than they could use personally. i am SURE they were bringing it back to the US to sell.
people like that are disgusting to me. i mean that without reservation. i find disaster capitalism (that is you, WCPS) disgusting in general. but doing it for fake medication like this is beyond disgusting. it makes me want to move to another country. seriously. it is INTOLERABLE.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 12:41:45 GMT -5
incidentally, the horse dewormer thing create a REAL shortage, because people were using it as medicine. it was not a matter of just one purchase, and then it all going back to normal, like it did with TP. it was a case of idiots using that shit for, literally, years. that heightened demand led to shortages for horses.
people didn't actually use MORE TP. they just hoarded it. that is a false shortage, due to a demand surge. you can call it whatever you like, however. i don't honestly care. proctor and gamble and georgia pacific didn't make any more money because of COVID. i know. i looked into it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 12:33:14 GMT -5
There was a shortage of residential TP and a surplus of commercial TP. People weren't using it at work, weren't traveling and using it at hotels, but were at home a lot more. So demand for residential TP went up and the store shelves started emptying and triggered the rush. The distribution system for commercial toilet paper wasn't set up to get it to the consumers. When we started running out at home, I couldn't find it anywhere locally and ended up buying a big box of commercial TP on Amazon. It really sucked compared to the normal stuff, but at least we had something. I found it a bit humorous because as a child growing up in the 80s I would hear about how communist Russia and third world countries had bad TP that was like newspaper, and then 40 years later I ended up with crappy toilet paper courtesy of capitalism.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 12:27:13 GMT -5
if what scgal says is true, then anyone of sufficient means can create a shortage. for example, if i take every penny i have, i could create a "shortage" of TP in California, by buying every single roll in every single store in CA. what does that mean? nothing. that is what it means. a week from now, the stores would have TP in them again. no price increases, no nothing. #fakeshortage
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 12:23:17 GMT -5
I like that she said she would do with the money. Like give it to the other women trump sexually assaulted. She should give the fund a name though which contains the name Donald John Trump. The Donald John Trump Victims Fund that would make a nice name. DJTVF hats & shirts. i would give to that fund, actually. i hope she does it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 12:21:31 GMT -5
exactly. it wasn't like COVID gave people massive diarrhea. herd mentality emptied the shelves. it was what economists call a false shortage, because the SUPPLY of TP was no different at any point in the last 5 years. and there was no REAL, LONG TERM reason for the increase in demand. the baby formula thing was entirely different. that was a REAL shortage caused by a supply problem. Yet there still was a shortage it doesn't matter how. my entire point is that it DOES matter how. have you heard of the Hunt Brothers? that is another example of a false shortage.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 11:16:30 GMT -5
well that answers my only lingering question:
if he does it again, so will they.
$1.3B next time.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 11:09:00 GMT -5
i have a question for everyone that hoarded TP:
did you examine the trajectory of the Spanish Flu?
it is well documented. i found it very comforting and informative. even though it was just as nasty as CV19, it lingered around for about 10 years then disappeared. people stopped even thinking about it. so, i thought to myself, 2030? i will still be working. my son will have graduated college. the world will keep turning. we will survive. even without a vaccine.
i didn't change my behavior one bit. i did, however, buy massive amounts of stock. so i am grateful that others went into a blind panic and sold, as i was about 80% cash before the market crash and 8% cash after.
i really would like to know whether people hid behind a wall of paper towel rolls, or if they actually at least TRIED to be informed (since it was clear that the president and his staff was not going to tell you anything).
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 11:02:03 GMT -5
I see you didn't bother to read my earlier post I made yesterday. Trump doesn't want the congressional republicans to pass any border security legislation. Read the below: For ripvanwinkle (again). GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromiseSenior Senate Republicans are furious that Donald Trump may have killed an emerging bipartisan deal over the southern border, depriving them of a key legislative achievement on a pressing national priority and offering a preview of what’s to come with Trump as their likely presidential nominee. In recent weeks, Trump has been lobbying Republicans both in private conversations and in public statements on social media to oppose the border compromise being delicately hashed out in the Senate, according to GOP sources familiar with the conversations – in part because he wants to campaign on the issue this November and doesn’t want President Joe Biden to score a victory in an area where he is politically vulnerable. Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell acknowledged in a private meeting on Wednesday that Trump’s animosity toward the yet-to-be-released border deal puts Republicans in a serious bind as they try to move forward on the already complex issue. For weeks, Republicans have been warning that Trump’s opposition could blow up the bipartisan proposal, but the admission from McConnell was particularly striking, given he has been a chief advocate for a border-Ukraine package. Now, Republicans on Capitol Hill are grappling with the reality that most in the GOP are loathe to do anything that is seen as potentially undermining the former president. And the prospects of a deal being scuttled before it has even been finalized has sparked tensions and confusion in the Senate GOP as they try to figure out if, and how, to proceed – even as McConnell made clear during party lunches Thursday that he remains firmly behind the effort to strike a deal, according to attendees. “I think the border is a very important issue for Donald Trump. And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn’t want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is … really appalling,” said GOP Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, who has been an outspoken critic of Trump. He added, “But the reality is that, that we have a crisis at the border, the American people are suffering as a result of what’s happening at the border. And someone running for president not to try and get the problem solved. as opposed to saying, ‘hey, save that problem. Don’t solve it. Let me take credit for solving it later.’” GOP Sen. Todd Young of Indiana called any efforts to disrupt the ongoing negotiations “tragic” and said: “I hope no one is trying to take this away for campaign purposes.” Rest of article here: GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromiseThe article is absolutely right. If they reach a agreement no matter how bad it is, it won't be good for the nation. This is Trumps rallying cry. No matter what the agreement is they are not going to stem the tide of 8+ million a year and that is on both hands. I predict within 10 years we will have a terrorist act we can lay blame on the unvetted illegals. you are parroting Trump speak. talk to the hand. i will bet you $1000 that we will have lots of terrorist acts in the next (10) years, and precisely ZERO will be traced back to the southern border. why should they? you think that a well organized terrorist group would send people in that way? why would they? they can send people to flight training school in Florida. it is simple and LEGAL to do that. why would they risk the 90% chance of being deported at the border? you are not thinking clearly, rip. neither are the 40% who parrot Trump speak. please think for yourself. please examine the facts. you are being had. the only thing that happens in 10 years is that you will regret how much you got suckered in by all of this nonsense. but what the heck? at least you will have TP.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 10:57:33 GMT -5
During summer school break over fifty years ago, I worked at country club's thirteenth hole snack bar. One afternoon, a father and his two sons entered the snack bar for some lunch. One of the son's had from the top of his head head to ankles fresh, deep scars. What lay beneath his short sleeved shirt and shorts one could only imagine. The son with the full body scars way maybe twelve or thirteen years old when I saw him. I later asked one of the grounds keepers who was in the snack bar at the time the dad and his sons were there what happened to the son. The grounds keeper told me the son, while driving an all-terrain vehicle at dusk, had unknowingly driven straight into a barbed-wire fence. The fence had multiple levels of barbed-wire across it. The young boy (at the time) got all caught up in the wire and required hundreds of stiches and several operations to repair the damage to his body. The picture below is not a picture of the young boy I mention above. It is though a picture of a male who while operating an All-terrain vehicle drove right into a barbed-wire fence. Now picture the cuts to the boy's neck in the picture below and imagine what it might have looked like on the boy in my story above. Cut from head to toe. I know you, Rip, like the idea of publicly caning young men as punishment for their infractions against the law. But do you really want to invest in razor wire to stop people on the other side of the border who are fleeing poverty and crime in their home countries? Remember-minor children do travel with their parents and have little to say in where their parents take them. And minor children will get caught up in razor wire if abbott refuses to take it down which federal law and the Supreme Court of the United States have ruled against abbott and razor wire. Know how to not get all cut up by razor wire---don't cross it. Put it up at the border with lots of danger signs some saying you cross this you dumb ass you will get fucked up. Yep that should do it if you have traveled 3 months on foot to escape hardship and death, a little razor wire is not going to stop you. i would guarantee that. you and others seem to think this is just a casual thing for people coming from the south. they know what the risks are. they will take them. they are not fat and happy like most Americans. they are lean and afraid. they will take the risk(s).
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 10:53:32 GMT -5
there was never a TP shortage. hoarding will not fix the problem. did you notice any increase in TP prices? me neither. it just goes to show, even during Covid, people are (and apparently have) assholes. If there wasn't a tp shortage then what do you call the empty shelves actually, i thought of a better answer: ridiculous.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 10:52:04 GMT -5
So do I need to run out and stockpile toilet paper? Paper towels too. You will need to toss paper towel rolls to the few survivors of a nuclear attack. you can't even make a decent tin foil hat out of those things.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 10:51:22 GMT -5
honestly? i still can't believe people did that. why do people care so much about TP? is it like Linus and his security blanket? do you think that having TP makes you safe?
utterly bizarre.
and why were people afraid? because the president kept saying it would just magically disappear, and it didn't. if there are 1001 things to do in a crisis, blithely ignoring it has to be #1001. although, i have to admit, that is precisely what i did with the TP "shortage". everyone knew it was due to hoarding, and there is only so much hoarding one can do.
so you can wipe your ass and deworm yourself? great. happy now?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 10:45:53 GMT -5
It was some sort of hysteria that first appeared in Australia and went World wide. Even in Canada ... and common sense would tell you they have enough trees to keep everyone in toilet paper for a millenium People were frightened... and when they are frightened they do stupid stuff. exactly. it wasn't like COVID gave people massive diarrhea. herd mentality emptied the shelves. it was what economists call a false shortage, because the SUPPLY of TP was no different at any point in the last 5 years. and there was no REAL, LONG TERM reason for the increase in demand. the baby formula thing was entirely different. that was a REAL shortage caused by a supply problem.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 10:43:29 GMT -5
there was never a TP shortage. hoarding will not fix the problem. did you notice any increase in TP prices? me neither. it just goes to show, even during Covid, people are (and apparently have) assholes. If there wasn't a tp shortage then what do you call the empty shelves hoarding. if there WAS a TP shortage, then how come prices never went up?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 1:58:57 GMT -5
I agree with the big fines but fall short of jail. Jailing the owner of a small business would put other employees out of work. As to Abbott, good for him. He's just goading/pushing Biden to finally do something. When election time comes if the problem has not been greatly addressed the GOP will make it a center point if not THE point more than it is now.
I'm not holding my breath anything will come of any reform but looking forward to the "there will be wigs on the green" as the British say. I see you didn't bother to read my earlier post I made yesterday. Trump doesn't want the congressional republicans to pass any border security legislation. Read the below: For ripvanwinkle (again). GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromiseSenior Senate Republicans are furious that Donald Trump may have killed an emerging bipartisan deal over the southern border, depriving them of a key legislative achievement on a pressing national priority and offering a preview of what’s to come with Trump as their likely presidential nominee. In recent weeks, Trump has been lobbying Republicans both in private conversations and in public statements on social media to oppose the border compromise being delicately hashed out in the Senate, according to GOP sources familiar with the conversations – in part because he wants to campaign on the issue this November and doesn’t want President Joe Biden to score a victory in an area where he is politically vulnerable. Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell acknowledged in a private meeting on Wednesday that Trump’s animosity toward the yet-to-be-released border deal puts Republicans in a serious bind as they try to move forward on the already complex issue. For weeks, Republicans have been warning that Trump’s opposition could blow up the bipartisan proposal, but the admission from McConnell was particularly striking, given he has been a chief advocate for a border-Ukraine package. Now, Republicans on Capitol Hill are grappling with the reality that most in the GOP are loathe to do anything that is seen as potentially undermining the former president. And the prospects of a deal being scuttled before it has even been finalized has sparked tensions and confusion in the Senate GOP as they try to figure out if, and how, to proceed – even as McConnell made clear during party lunches Thursday that he remains firmly behind the effort to strike a deal, according to attendees. “I think the border is a very important issue for Donald Trump. And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn’t want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is … really appalling,” said GOP Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, who has been an outspoken critic of Trump. He added, “But the reality is that, that we have a crisis at the border, the American people are suffering as a result of what’s happening at the border. And someone running for president not to try and get the problem solved. as opposed to saying, ‘hey, save that problem. Don’t solve it. Let me take credit for solving it later.’” GOP Sen. Todd Young of Indiana called any efforts to disrupt the ongoing negotiations “tragic” and said: “I hope no one is trying to take this away for campaign purposes.” Rest of article here: GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromisei wonder if there are (10) that voted to acquit that would now vote to convict him. i bet there are.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 1:57:14 GMT -5
I agree with the big fines but fall short of jail. Jailing the owner of a small business would put other employees out of work. As to Abbott, good for him. He's just goading/pushing Biden to finally do something. When election time comes if the problem has not been greatly addressed the GOP will make it a center point if not THE point more than it is now.
I'm not holding my breath anything will come of any reform but looking forward to the "there will be wigs on the green" as the British say. i wasn't talking about jailing business owners. failure to file an I9 is a civil matter, not a criminal matter. i was talking about Abbot. you OK with jailing him for breaking federal law by interfering with federal law enforcement? let me be clear here, rip, since you seem to have missed my point at least three times already. what Abbot is doing is FAR worse than what you accuse sanctuary states of doing. what sanctuary states do is to refuse to HELP law enforcement. that would be fine with me if Abbot did that, for the record. but what Abbot is doing is standing in the WAY of law enforcement. in other words, he is aiding and abetting a federal crime, which i believe is a CRIMINAL matter, thus subjecting him to imprisonment. i carefully mentioned the wheelchair to be clear. but hopefully i won't need to do so again.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2024 21:22:18 GMT -5
you can throw a tarp over razor wire and cross easily. all of these solutions are DUMB compared to the one that would work best: eliminate the opportunity to work under the table. until Republicans propose that (other than DeSantis, who not only proposed it, but implemented it in Florida), i will think all of this talk about immigration is designed ONLY to stir people up, and sow distrust in government. I'm all for the idea of 100% E Verify. The company I work for does it. And I think I've said this before. Penalize employers who hire illegals with no work permits. No tax write offs etc. i should hope so. technically, verifying employee status is THE LAW. there is something called an I9 form. every new employee is supposed to fill one out. if every employer did that, there would be virtually ZERO illegal laborers in the US. the fine for failure to fill out the I9 is $272-2701. I would be in favor of upping that by 10x and requiring E-Verify to match it. anyone who hires an employee without collecting that data would be subject to the lowest fine on first offense, and the fine would double until reaching the cap on 4th offense. if an employer had to pay $27k for NOT doing this, i guarantee the conformity would be close to 100%. let's compare to what we have today. most people don't even fill out an I9, and i have never been asked for my records NOR do i know anyone who has. what good are laws that are not enforced. which brings me back to Abbott. since he is a lawbreaker, are you good with him being arrested for being complicit in a federal crime? i am sure that the jails would accommodate his wheelchair, since they are ADA compliant.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2024 21:16:03 GMT -5
So do I need to run out and stockpile toilet paper? there was never a TP shortage. hoarding will not fix the problem. did you notice any increase in TP prices? me neither. it just goes to show, even during Covid, people are (and apparently have) assholes.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2024 18:27:17 GMT -5
Thats what they do. Couldn't tell you why, saves on storage I suppose..... and wages, they bring in operatives to cover a large order. but not being an industrialist I wouldn't really know. I had to wait 2 weeks for a part for my French car...... and France is across the channel, all of 27 miles. it is a dumb policy. what do you do when a part is discontinued? you are down for weeks or months while you fight to replace it, that is what. part of the reason that inflation picked up after Covid was JIT. suppliers cut back when demand fell, and because THEY kept no inventory, when demand picked up, there was no inventory to serve that demand. i get that people don't like inventory. believe me, i really do. inventory is a pain. but being out of business? that is not just a pain. that is the entire game.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2024 18:18:14 GMT -5
note to the board: DeSantis never mentioned his policy of requiring E-Verify for employers to hire in Florida on the campaign trail. did you notice that? Trump doesn't mention it, either.
think about why.
THEY DON'T WANT TO FIX THE PROBLEM, FOLKS. THE PROBLEM IS GOOD FOR THEM. YOU ARE BEING HAD!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2024 18:05:57 GMT -5
again, to be clear. trucking and rail is quicker from China than via ocean. in fact in most places it is. if the issue is time/spoilage, there is an elegant solution. it is just MORE COSTLY.
so really, this comes down to cost. the capacity is there in transportation.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2024 18:00:55 GMT -5
and i was not talking about Yemen and the Houthi. i was talking about Palestine and Hamas, to answer your last question.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2024 17:59:44 GMT -5
(i think the bigger issues is time extra time. an increase in transportation time of 10 days equates to roughly 25% from the far East to Europe. that mean that on paper, it cuts transportation capacity by about 25% along that corridor, which is significant. that will create backlogs on the end of the transporter. but i would also add that the overland route is quicker- though far more expensive. in other words, this argument continually boils down to cost, which is shaving nickles, imo. it is often blown wildly out of proportion because people don't understand what it really means in terms of time and money) Many businesses operate a "just in time" system where the materials immediately prior to productions. That's not going to work if you cant get hold of the parts. Transported food will potentially spoil and the price of goods will increase to cover the cost of extra distance. Lots of freight will end up being flown at an increased price. The Sahara desert is a barrier so overland is not an option...... (plus all numbers of bandits)... even if you got permission from Egypt which seems unlikely.Thats going to be time and money. The oil producing countries are not happy that their tankers can't get through, Egypt is losing revenue from the Suez canal These Houthis are not the government of Yemen, they are just local criminals. Who the heck do they think they are? i think you misunderstood me. i meant ground transportation (train, truck) FROM CHINA. not some silly docking and offloading idea. that is absurd. and, not to be a dick or anything, but i really hate JIT. it is a bad way to run a business. so if that is what "businesses are doing" they need to stop doing that. period. i mean it. it is a bad idea. really really bad. it makes businesses very vulnerable to dozens of variables. terrible idea/concept.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2024 17:56:14 GMT -5
you can throw a tarp over razor wire and cross easily.
all of these solutions are DUMB compared to the one that would work best: eliminate the opportunity to work under the table.
until Republicans propose that (other than DeSantis, who not only proposed it, but implemented it in Florida), i will think all of this talk about immigration is designed ONLY to stir people up, and sow distrust in government.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2024 17:22:18 GMT -5
if they really cared, the funding would have been in place before their bills passed.
after all, what generally PRECEDES a bill is an analysis of "fiscal impact". that way, they can set up funding by, say, increasing sales or business taxes in the state to OFFSET the cost.
that was not done, here. ergo, they don't give a fuck.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2024 17:11:18 GMT -5
the TRUTH of this matter is that evangelicals care about the "unborn" and that conservatives care about their votes. that is all that matters. the human and REAL cost of this is immaterial. people can suffer and die during pregnancy, and it can cost the taxpayers billions, and they won't lift a finger to stop it (even though they pretend to care and say stuff like they will pay for it, they don't, and they won't).
this is why we have separation of church and state, in case anyone was wondering.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2024 17:07:46 GMT -5
(i think the bigger issues is time extra time. an increase in transportation time of 10 days equates to roughly 25% from the far East to Europe. that mean that on paper, it cuts transportation capacity by about 25% along that corridor, which is significant. that will create backlogs on the end of the transporter. but i would also add that the overland route is quicker- though far more expensive. in other words, this argument continually boils down to cost, which is shaving nickles, imo. it is often blown wildly out of proportion because people don't understand what it really means in terms of time and money)
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