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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 18:03:07 GMT -5
Dez-- you are getting pretty free with calling Henry a troll. Second time today I have seen that....
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Post by henryclay on May 23, 2011 18:04:00 GMT -5
Oh, desi, those few words shouldn't be such a scavenger hunt. We have all seen volumes and volumes of how the Jews are so mean and hard to live with side by side, until those few words you can't seem to find ought to be everywhere, , , , everywhere. Muslims, arabs, Islam faithfuls, , , all , , , should be begging people to read those few words and understand they just want peace.
But where, desi, , , where are the words to be found that islam, the arabs and muslims are saying the Jews have a right to be where they are, and to be there in peace?
Where are the words, desi?
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Post by henryclay on May 23, 2011 18:10:32 GMT -5
Dez-- you are getting pretty free with calling Henry a troll. Second time today I have seen that.... You noticed it, too? I was wondering if I was the only one. It's been done so much lately till I'm beginning to think desi has completely lost both his communication skills and vocabulary and has been reduced to name calling. I hope it has given him some inner satisfaction. . . . But I'd a whole lot rather he'd just answer the question.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 18:32:40 GMT -5
Dez-- you are getting pretty free with calling Henry a troll. Second time today I have seen that.... You noticed it, too? I was wondering if I was the only one. It's been done so much lately till I'm beginning to think desi has completely lost both his communication skills and vocabulary and has been reduced to name calling. I hope it has given him some inner satisfaction. . . . But I'd a whole lot rather he'd just answer the question. It was answered on the long one , post # 59, with the peace treaty posted between Egypt , Jordan...youb asked for one, " anyone post a link from any arab source, or a source that quotes any arab, muslim or islamic source which states Israel has a right to be where they are and be there in peace? " you got it, actually two, and the one on the Saudis offer, that makes three, ..yet being the Troll , here just to stir and keep asking, and asking as you sit back at the reaction laughing away, ..it's what Trolls do. [That's three krickett.]
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Post by ed1066 on May 23, 2011 18:38:14 GMT -5
That treaty is not being recognized by the new, Muslim Brotherhood-backed Egyptian "leadership" that Obama was so hot to install...
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 18:45:32 GMT -5
That treaty is not being recognized by the new, Muslim Brotherhood-backed Egyptian "leadership" that Obama was so hot to install... Aha, the third member of the musketeers weighs in, welcome ed. Actually the question was , see above the paragraph, if one ...not who , what... just a thought , how did this get into the equation, "Muslim Brotherhood backed Egyptian leadership that Obama was so hot to install"... and if brought up, why? However if brought up, link please or as mkitty suggested so eloquently, it was done well and with admiration from me, -------------------------------------------- "Otherwise, you two can go on with your little "libs think" circle jerk without any liberals' input. It's an odd choice to presume that you know all about libs without asking or quoting them, but it is a choice you two have made over and over. I'm glad I do not agree with those statements that you tell us we do or smug, knee-jerk, Fox-aid drinking partisians who can only use straw man arguments and back-pat each other. So yeah, carry on. ------------------------------------------------------------- just more of the BS you two, {but I did increase to three because of you ed }said is so much BS on all you all post.
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Post by ed1066 on May 23, 2011 18:49:56 GMT -5
That treaty is not being recognized by the new, Muslim Brotherhood-backed Egyptian "leadership" that Obama was so hot to install... Aha, the third member of the musketeers weighs in, welcome ed. Actually the question was , see above the paragraph, if one ...not who , what... just a thought , how did this get into the equation, backed Egyptian "leadership" that Obama was so hot to install... and if brought up, why? However if brought up, link please or more of the BS you two, {but I did increase to three because of you ed }said is so much BS on all you all poat. You can name call and insult all you like (the mods don't care), but you can't deny the facts...
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Post by ed1066 on May 23, 2011 18:51:49 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 19:04:07 GMT -5
The brother hood wasn't part of the discussion, suggest go back and read posts before wading in with the yadda, and if Brother Hood does want treaty , so what, they are a group, not in the government, not part of the government and there is still the Military desires, I wonder if they want that tio happen, lots to lose. However you digress...not the question that was asked, why not start a thread on the subject if you are that concerned.
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Post by henryclay on May 23, 2011 20:43:02 GMT -5
okay, desi, disregarding that I had already brought up those two instances previously, you got me on the Egyptian/Jordan/Isreali "treaties", though none of them are treaties in the true sense, (and wasn't Sadat murdered by his own people rather than accept the one he agreed to?) And weren't those agreements limited to the then heads of state rather than between the governments, like treaties are done, and in the case of the current Egypt leadrship. doesn't the Egypt "treaty" appear to be null and void from their standpoint? Correct me if I am wrong.
But there have been other agreements between governments in the past, too, recognized and respected by not only the principals but by all parties. So tell us about the other parties who recognize and respect npt only those agreements, but have entered into their own with the Israelis that offers relief to anyone, including themselves.
I"d like to have it all out in the open and get my head on straight. I don't want to be a lone wolf looking for somethiong that doesn't exist. You, desi, bills, Mkitty. and some optherss seem to be saying that Israel's problems stem from their belligerent attitude, exhibited against a meek, unarmed and displaced group of Palestinians who are as innocent of wrongdoing as the "sticks" were who went into the gas chambers at Auschwitz.
I am willing to sccept every bit of it. I would just like to see the evidence, , , and I promise, , I will distribute it widely.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 23, 2011 20:48:34 GMT -5
President Obama fails to differentiate hopes from facts concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and therefore he believes — in direct contradiction of the evidence — that a permanently peaceful two-state solution between Israel and Palestine is imminently possible if only the Jewish state would deconstruct its people’s settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights and agree to shared ownership of Jerusalem. The above conditions, one should note, are conditions Obama adopted on his own; they are not conditions that Israel is offering and they are not conditions that will pacify Palestine for any length of time, based on the statements and behavior of the Palestinian Authority and its Legislative Council. American advocates of the two-state solution point to polling data that they wrongly read as indicating that a majority of Palestinians favor a two-state solution. In fact, 80% of Palestinians will only accept a two-state solution on the condition that Palestinians are allowed to return to land lost when modern Israel was established, which will render the Jewish people a homeless minority.One might have thought that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, leader of the Fatah party in Palestine, was hostile enough toward Israel for vengeance-minded Palestinians. Abbas’s Fatah party composes the majority of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, an on-again, off-again member of the United States’s terrorist organization list and which includes among its constitutional goals the “eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence.” Apparently not hostile enough for Palestine. In 2006, Palestinian voters gave Hamas a majority of seats in the Legislative Council plus all of the administrative cabinet positions. Hamas is classified as a terrorist organization by the United States, the European Union, Canada and Japan. Its founding charter commits the group to replacing Israel with an Islamist state and to raising “the banner of Allah over every inch of [historic] Palestine.” Hamas’s leaders have called suicide attacks the “F-16” of the Palestinian people, and the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas’s military wing, has targeted Israeli civilians with rocket attacks and suicide bombings for decades. Publicly, Hamas leaders vacillate incoherently on the two-state question before settling, always, on positions incompatible with Israeli sovereignty. Read more: dailycaller.com/2011/05/18/palestinians-dont-want-a-two-state-solution/#ixzz1NELS8gze
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 20:58:20 GMT -5
Your wrong..."treaties in the true sense,", not being, and you too by the way, legal experts on international treaties , and not going to get into it with you on picking things apart, to picky, the treaty itself has held , as far as between two heads of State, I beleive they were ratified by the Knesset and I am guessing also the Egyptian Parliment. As far as the assasination of Sedat, that has nothing to do with the treaties and when Mubarak was appointed President the treaties were in effect and today "case of the current Egypt leadrship. doesn't the Egypt "treaty" appear to be null and void from their standpoint? ", your wrong again, treaties are still in effect, not broken or dismissed and it was specifically mentioned by the head of the military, the acting civiliens in the temporary, till elecctions, still in effect and wanting to stay in affect. Do they love each other all these people? Of course not and I don't think that was a condition of the treaties. There was nothing in the treaty about the Egyptians blockading Gaza, that was a agreement either officially or unofficial between Egypt and Israel years after the fact of the signing. If the Egyptians now decide to loosen the movement of goods into Gaza, that is their business. The rest of the questions are what, I don't understand what your driving at. You had asked a question much earlier, I and others answered you and you went on and on..now you admit you were wrong. You asked again questions, and again you were wrong on your assumptions , as I pointed out. It seems your on a roll with the being wrong. The two treaties they signed, those were two major elements, major countries involved. Not to be dismissed by either side. Because of the treaties, especially the gyptian one, Israel was able to reduce it's defense spending over these years since signuing them fro the high 20 % area to under 10% today. For a small State, that is very important. Also a iindication of how important those pieces of signed paper are Egypt the leader of the Arab world, in size, population and strategically and Jordan, much smaller but so important being right next to Israel and still containing many Palastinians with in their borders.
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Post by humok on May 23, 2011 21:02:09 GMT -5
I thought I remembered Bill tried to give the Palestinian people what they wanted but Arafat refused...they will never get a better offer than what Bill offered to them. I remember being angry when Bill did this thinking if I were the Jewish leader I would have told Bill where to stick it.
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Post by henryclay on May 23, 2011 21:02:28 GMT -5
evidence, desi, evidence. No need to be coy, you ask for sources all the time. Show the evidence.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 21:20:34 GMT -5
evidence, desi, evidence. No need to be coy, you ask for sources all the time. Show the evidence. Think you and I have had it Henry..your back to stirring , , the Trolling. I answered you above . post # 71, and you are now doing the Trolling again, to disrupt just for the disruption..and I am not playing. Been there, done that, with the best of them and Henry,.... your not the best of them, as a Troll you kind of suck actually, sorry, but as I said, I been there..you just don't have it.
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Post by humok on May 23, 2011 21:21:10 GMT -5
The video say it all....the Palestinians do not want to settle...They want to just keep bombing and killing. That is my take on it.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 21:22:48 GMT -5
The video say it all....the Palestinians do not want to settle...They want to just keep bombing and killing. That is my take on it. Ok, keep that thought, some one will be by in a minute to give you a thumbs up and just possible a karma too.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 23, 2011 21:22:49 GMT -5
Henry,
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Post by marshabar1 on May 23, 2011 21:23:53 GMT -5
Henry, Yay! 100! An honor ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 21:27:28 GMT -5
Netanyahu on TV- AIPAC.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 21:30:33 GMT -5
SUCH an awesome man. Talking about our floods, tornadoes, saying "America, Israel is with you. This day and every day."
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Post by billisonboard on May 23, 2011 21:44:16 GMT -5
SUCH an awesome man. Talking about our floods, tornadoes, saying "America, Israel is with you. This day and every day." Israeli Spying in the United States By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM
Scratch a counterintelligence officer in the U.S. government and they'll tell you that Israel is not a friend to the United States. This is because Israel runs one of the most aggressive and damaging espionage networks targeting the U.S.. www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03122009.html Yes they are with us every day.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 23, 2011 21:46:58 GMT -5
I knew Israel and the Middle East were in for hard times when God did the miracle of seeing Netanyahu elected again. He is needed but he wasn't wanted. I love him and pray for him and thank God for him. First on my list of famous people I would like to meet.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 23, 2011 21:47:51 GMT -5
They have to spy, billis, there's people like you in this country. ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 21:55:46 GMT -5
I know, Marsha. Something about him. He just radiates strength. Talking about how Israel is the ONLY place in the region where Jews, Christians, and 1,000,000 Muslims are free to practice their religions in peace. How can anyone not support Israel???
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Post by marshabar1 on May 23, 2011 21:58:40 GMT -5
I know, Marsha. Something about him. He just radiates strength. Talking about how Israel is the ONLY place in the region where Jews, Christians, and 1,000,000 Muslims are free to practice their religions in peace. How can anyone not support Israel??? It's deeper than the mind or politics, krickitt. They CAN"T help it. That's the side they are on. Only one thing can change that.
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Post by henryclay on May 23, 2011 22:07:25 GMT -5
I was out for a few minutes and WOW.!! desi bails rather than show the evidence. , , , And Marsha goes and makes me blush. Thanks Marsha. You and people like you and Krickitt and and the other knowledgeable ladies make it all worthwhile. The guys, too. I appreciate every bit of it. Thanks , , , 'til you're better paid. But on the subject of arabs wantu=ing peace with Israel, any one who reads can tell they don't really exist in the Middle East. They exist in a couple of places because they have found out it is too expensive for them not to, but given their combined druthers, Israel would just disappear. To that end, here is what the poor dispossessed, meek and powerless Palestinians are planning: www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/palestinians-call-for-renewed-border-protests-on-anniversary-of-six-day-war-1.363203And for desi's edification, I wrote several words about the Jordan/Egypt/Israeli peace agreements earlier. It can only be a facetious claim that he used those agreements to respond to a request for demonstrated arab attempts to arrive at peace with Israeli. In fact, of the arab countries that have previously waged war against Israel, , , and here are a few: Pakistan, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Egypt, only Egypt and Jordan have ever come to any terms with them. One measure of peaceful intentions is when countries exchange diplomats. They send emissaries, envoys, consuls and ambassadors and set up missions, consulates and embassies, and participate in trade and cultural exchange programs. But today there are only two such exchange groups from ail the arab countries in Israel: Jordan and Egypt, and Egypt may be pulling theirs out any day. Of course to some people, their minds are made up and facts are not important. on the bigger picture, let's hope Obama doesn't last any longer than we can vote his butt all the way back to Hawaii.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 22:23:10 GMT -5
Not to interrupt, Henry (you are holding your own real well), but DEZI---what is WRONG with you today?? What is it, 7,8,9,10 times you have referred to Henry as a troll today??? Mods apparently have no problem with that, but I sure do. Since when did you start acting that way? Disappointing. And with the ME is turmoil, and no one in charge anywhere at the moment, it seems, LOTS of indications the new leaders will be more radical than the old from everything I have read-- why in the world are you mentioning treaties that were upheld by leaders that are being thrown out?? There is EVERY indication that things are getting ready to get real serious for Israel, more so than ever, and you talk about treaties with Egypt?? Egypt is a DISASTER, and SET for MB to take control of the Parliament. Have you missed that they have said what their plan is for Egypt? They've been BANNED in Egypt for the entire time Mubarek has been in, and you are expecting them to honor treaties honored by the guy they threw out?? Why?
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 22:23:53 GMT -5
SUCH an awesome man. Talking about our floods, tornadoes, saying "America, Israel is with you. This day and every day." Israeli Spying in the United States By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM
Scratch a counterintelligence officer in the U.S. government and they'll tell you that Israel is not a friend to the United States. This is because Israel runs one of the most aggressive and damaging espionage networks targeting the U.S.. www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03122009.html Yes they are with us every day. Want to lay odds , 'Bibi " didn't bring up the possibility of a early release for Pollard on this last trip in...
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 22:26:30 GMT -5
I know, Marsha. Something about him. He just radiates strength. Talking about how Israel is the ONLY place in the region where Jews, Christians, and 1,000,000 Muslims are free to practice their religions in peace. How can anyone not support Israel??? Oh most do support or a big majority do, what some don't think is that their S doesn't stink...it can and it does and at times they have to be told that, other wise they might start believing it doesn't , and then it gets embarrassing.
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