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Post by b2r on May 23, 2011 14:40:34 GMT -5
Prager University: The Middle East Problem
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 14:43:55 GMT -5
The long thread by Paul about Israel has numerous links and videos that offer proof to what we say, if anyone chose to view them. Surely we are not expected to post the same links all over the board on a daily basis............
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Post by shelby on May 23, 2011 14:45:52 GMT -5
I officially think it is pointless to have a conversation with most of the people on here, especailly when the rules are only for 1 side of the argument. At least do as you preach geez.
And I have to point this out because it is so obvious that muslim radicals and christian fundamentalists are one in the same the similarities in group think are astounding.....hate fear hate fear hate fear blah blah blah.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 23, 2011 15:05:02 GMT -5
Memo to the misled: Fox, Pubs lie!! Netanyahoo even tried to, found out Israelis aren't so easily misled...
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 15:12:27 GMT -5
Prager is always so good, b2r. Very simple.
Curious if I am considered a Christian fundamentalist? I haven't been to church in a few years now... what exactly defines the Christians you compare to terrorists? Geez.......... exaggerate much?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 23, 2011 15:15:49 GMT -5
#34-They believe Fox Noise and RW pundits- in this case that Obama said something new and frightening...
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Post by shelby on May 23, 2011 15:31:26 GMT -5
I don't know Krickitt do you hate muslims? do you fear them? Do you want and think they are all going to hell? If no then you are not a fundamentalist. Another question do you respect other peoples religious choices and expression?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 15:42:29 GMT -5
I have NO respect for ANYONE whose religion wants them to kill other people. Does that make me a Christian terrorist?
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Post by shelby on May 23, 2011 15:50:44 GMT -5
You seem to have a trouble distinguishing muslim terrorists who are a minority and muslims in general. don't sit there and tell me christians do not want to see the destruction of the islam world which is no different than any other extreme religious group...I have heard it a thousand times from the christian right.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 16:01:48 GMT -5
Are you a Christian?? Thought not. I have sat in many churches, and never once heard anyone call for killing. NEVER. Christians are VERY good at condemning the actions of the occasional "bad" Christian. Muslims-- not so much. Can't blame them, as they would lose their lives for doing so. If I was a member of a church that decided that mass murder of other people is acceptable I would find the exit door real quick. Not only that I would make sure as many people as possible knew what that church was up to. Every Christian I know would do the same.
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Post by shelby on May 23, 2011 16:07:55 GMT -5
You mean the US never kills muslims have not declared in so many words they are the enemy are you American? I have heard on this board people saying we should bomb them is that not mass murder. You are still avoiding the question do you hate muslims because it sound like you do. Do you think they are going to hell and god will kill them all? Sounds like a plea for mass murder to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 16:11:40 GMT -5
Yes, we kill Muslims. Did you miss that we are at war? I suppose you think Bush blew up the WTC and we just went after the ME for no reason? I have no idea where dead Muslims will go. That is God's decision, not mine.
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Post by shelby on May 23, 2011 16:31:56 GMT -5
Yes both sides kill each other and neither one are righteous in doing so. Hating an entire group is extreme and no different from muslims who hate all christians don't know how you can argue one is right over the other. That is my point take it or leave it I don't care.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 16:37:07 GMT -5
Jesus was not a mass murderer and rapist like Mohammed...
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Post by shelby on May 23, 2011 16:41:25 GMT -5
Oh goodness I officially know this is no longer a rational conversation.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 16:47:52 GMT -5
LOL, shelby. What have YOU read about Mohammed?
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Post by ed1066 on May 23, 2011 16:50:31 GMT -5
Link please?
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 16:59:46 GMT -5
"CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF PALESTINE" www.mideastweb.org/palconstitution.htmen.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Palestine_%282003%29That's funny, when I searched for those phrases in their Constitution, even the words "Jews" and "peaceful solutions" aren't mentioned. The regulars here know about you and your lack of truthfulness and honesty, but I did what I did just in case there's someone new here. Otherwise, you two can go on with your little "libs think" circle jerk without any liberals' input. It's an odd choice to presume that you know all about libs without asking or quoting them, but it is a choice you two have made over and over. I'm glad I do not agree with those statements that you tell us we do or smug, knee-jerk, Fox-aid drinking partisians who can only use straw man arguments and back-pat each other. So yeah, carry on. , so well said, and what is most important, very truthful and factual, unlike me, you say it short and to the point, congrats and a well deserved... . The problem with the two is they insinuate what is said and done as policy in a way as a sell out of the State of Israel when in the latest, all the support that is possible was given to a independent State less what would be the ultimate defense, the , with their acceptance by their people of course , a merging of the State as a USA territory or even making it the 51'st State in the union. Normally a boost for our flag industry's but since I am afraid that Industry too has gone off shore, possible just help out China or some third world country.[sigh}As the leader of the most loyal ally of the State of Israel, the POTUS did give his feelings that , even with the commitment toward the State that is there and which was reaffirmed repeatedly in his speeches last week, he did say, that to continue as has been done, with the new happenings in the Middle East, the making up by the two main Political parties of the Palestinians, the incursions and manipulations of Iran with Hezballah, Hamas, in Lebanon and Syria, even possible the Muslim Brotherhood getting involved, the status quo is not the way to go and thus voiced what so many do feel, another way has to be found to solve this problem basically time is running out. As the leader of the most important ally this small country has in the world, one who has spent Billions in aid to the country, who has continued to come to it's aid and defends it against all those who are against it in the biggest legal body of states in the world and who continues to give it hugh financial aid, I feel he has the right to voice his feelings on the important issues facing the country/State , especially since their dealing on the topic also affect his prime responsibility, the well being of his/this country. It's why he sits in that office , that chair in Washington. Prime responsibility? Why us, the U S of A.
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Post by henryclay on May 23, 2011 17:16:26 GMT -5
I have a question for the left. It's a simple question, and only requires a simple response.
Can anyone post a link from any arab source, or a source that quotes any arab, muslim or islamic source which states Israel has a right to be where they are and be there in peace?
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Post by shelby on May 23, 2011 17:18:08 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 17:19:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 17:22:15 GMT -5
Actually, shelby-- you have made your point about what you think about US perfectly clear-- you see us as Christian terrorists. What we are looking for is you defending your point that Israel is safe from the Islamists targeting them. WE'VE posted dozens of links that say it is not. Care to defend your stance?
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Post by billisonboard on May 23, 2011 17:24:38 GMT -5
I have a question for the left. It's a simple question, and only requires a simple response. Can anyone post a link from any arab source, or a source that quotes any arab, muslim or islamic source which states Israel has a right to be where they are and be there in peace? Yes
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 17:26:47 GMT -5
I have a question for the left. It's a simple question, and only requires a simple response. Can anyone post a link from any arab source, or a source that quotes any arab, muslim or islamic source which states Israel has a right to be where they are and be there in peace? Henry, you make it to easy, as much as you are here to just . The signing of the peace treaty with Jordan and Egypt. The offer from the Saudis and other Arab nations, that have offered them that guarantee if they went back to the "67" borders and a Palastinian State and agreement was signed by the two parties, complete normalization of relations offered by all the Arab nations if .... Not saying they should have signed on board , not sure what all the details were but you asked a question, it is answered.
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Post by shelby on May 23, 2011 17:30:50 GMT -5
Actually, shelby-- you have made your point about what you think about US perfectly clear-- you see us as Christian terrorists. What we are looking for is you defending your point that Israel is safe from the Islamists targeting them. WE'VE posted dozens of links that say it is not. Care to defend your stance? I never said one word about Isreal being safe from islam I am making a point that your obvious hatred for islam is no different then there hatred for us. I never said anything about christian terrorists they do exist sure not many, just as they do in any religion. I told you my very simple point and you do not want to see it so fine.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 17:36:40 GMT -5
Actually, shelby-- you have made your point about what you think about US perfectly clear-- you see us as Christian terrorists. What we are looking for is you defending your point that Israel is safe from the Islamists targeting them. WE'VE posted dozens of links that say it is not. Care to defend your stance? She has done a great job on that as well as others, me including , showing links, plus explaining in our own words besides just posting links to no where as you and the rest do, interpeting as you want to hear the words that are saying nothing close to what you both are suggesting as far as the friendship and support of the US to this small state, ..you just refuse to get your hate and dislike out of your mind and body. Your riddled with it. It is really not healthy or normal. Your trying to push your ideas of hate and dislike on others. Most of us really want more then that, your just so caught up in your own bile, ovrflowing with it, you won't be satisfied till you pass it on to others, even though many of us are not interested in aquiring this sicknes you both carry. [ Actually I don't think one of you really cares one way or the other personally, but the drama of the exchange is what interests that one, IMHO} ' You have no desire to actually discuss and to rationalize the sitruation, just the continued posting of BS and Shelby finally had had it and called you two on it, though I did increase it to three and possible a few more.
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Post by henryclay on May 23, 2011 17:38:18 GMT -5
I posted this a ffew minutes ago and I have so far gotten the typical response, but I don't have any leads for better understanding where I am so wrong. I'm asking the left for help, not smoke and mirrors. Maybe my first try wasn't clear enough. I'll correct it. I have a question for the left. It's a simple question, and only requires a simple response.
Can, WILL, anyone post a link from any arab source, or a source that quotes any arab, muslim or islamic source which states Israel has a right to be where they are and be there in peace?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 17:48:21 GMT -5
No, Henry-- just name calling...
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Post by ed1066 on May 23, 2011 17:52:11 GMT -5
I posted this a ffew minutes ago and I have so far gotten the typical response, but I don't have any leads for better understanding where I am so wrong. I'm asking the left for help, not smoke and mirrors. Maybe my first try wasn't clear enough. I'll correct it. I have a question for the left. It's a simple question, and only requires a simple response.
Can, WILL, anyone post a link from any arab source, or a source that quotes any arab, muslim or islamic source which states Israel has a right to be where they are and be there in peace? crickets...
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Post by deziloooooo on May 23, 2011 17:53:30 GMT -5
I posted this a ffew minutes ago and I have so far gotten the typical response, but I don't have any leads for better understanding where I am so wrong. I'm asking the left for help, not smoke and mirrors. Maybe my first try wasn't clear enough. I'll correct it. I have a question for the left. It's a simple question, and only requires a simple response.
Can, WILL, anyone post a link from any arab source, or a source that quotes any arab, muslim or islamic source which states Israel has a right to be where they are and be there in peace? Henry I assert you are just posting to , conduct trolling habits to keep the pot bubbling..looking for a specific word or phrase to satisy your demands, that only one versed and had the time to read through pages of documents could find what you are asking, when the prudent man , what is taught in Law #101, basic law class for the neophyte, what would a prudent man do, it's accepted practicce that what the prudent man would do is the correct response in so many cases, unless specified not to be acceptable, would be satisfied with what is done, what is happening as a demonstrastion of the actual event being accomplished. I mentioned the two peace treaties, the offer of the saudios that is of public record. I also present the following for your proof. ------------------------------------------------------------ Land for peaceFrom Wikipedia, the free Land for peace is an interpretation of UN Security Council Resolution 242 which has formed the basis of subsequent Arab-Israeli peace making. The name Land for Peace is derived from the wording of the resolution's first operative paragraph which affirms that peace should include the application of two principles; Withdrawal of Israeli forces (Giving Up Land), and Termination of all claims or states of belligerency (Making Peace). Since the resolution stipulates that both principles should apply they can be viewed jointly as giving up land for peace, referred to more concisely as 'land for peace'.[1] This interpretation is widely contested because it implies that Israeli withdrawal is linked to its neighbours' willingness to formally make peace. Competing interpretations of the resolution regard Israel as being obligated to withdraw unilaterally from all territories captured in 1967. Operative paragraph 1 of 242 reads as follows: 1. Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles: (i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict; (ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force; When Lord Caradon was asked about the concessions the Arab states would have to make to Israel as part of an overall settlement he said "Well, that's perfectly obvious if you read again the principles of 242, which have been accepted by Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Saudi Arabia, and in effect by Israel. The provision is that if there is an adequate withdrawal, all states in the area must be free to live within secure and recognized boundaries, free from force and threat of force. So it is an acceptance that Israel has a right to exist, just as the Palestinians have a right to their homeland, and have a right to exist. This is the essential bargain that we are proposing. It's not a new thing, it's been going since 1967.[2] [edit] Peace Treaties Egypt-Israel border. Looking north from the Eilat MountainsLand for Peace was first used as the basis for Israel's peace treaty with Egypt in 1979, where Israel withdrew from the Sinai as part of a comprehensive peace agreement facilitated by economic assistance to both sides from the United States. In 1994 a similar comprehensive agreement invoking resolution 242 formed the basis of the Israel Jordan peace treaty whereby both sides redeployed to their respective sides of the agreed international boundary. --------------------------------------------- "(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;" ---------------------------------- The above paragraoph spells it out as the prudent man would agree..if you continue to overlook and ask for a specific wordd, a phrase...to me , and I believe others here, you are doing so just to and continue actions that Trolls do, not to actually have a dialogue just disrupt for the sake of desruption. What Trolls do. --------------------------------------------------------- Troll (Internet)From Wikipedia, " The trollface sometimes used to indicate trolling.[1]In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion
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