jkapp
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Post by jkapp on May 19, 2011 13:30:07 GMT -5
Palestine?? No I would drop them on Iran, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Libya. The other countries would get the message. I see we still have those who have seriously considered this problem thus the intelligent suggestions coming from them. Compared to your intelligently dictated solutions of _____?
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Post by ladylove on May 19, 2011 13:31:52 GMT -5
I'm sick of long drawn out wars. We invested billions in these state of the art weapons we should at least make sure they work. Besides it seems no one believes we WILL use then consequently they continue to antagonize us. If you ask me blowing one if them up might be just enough. We can start with Afghanistan there's nothing there anyway.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 19, 2011 13:32:29 GMT -5
IF they would listen to Obama, Marsha. Whether or not the people want it-- will the Islamic extremists AGREE to it?? How CAN they? Their religion demands they fight the Jews, Christians, all the infidels, and their revolutions are taking them BACK, not forward. President Obama fails to differentiate hopes from facts concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and therefore he believes — in direct contradiction of the evidence — that a permanently peaceful two-state solution between Israel and Palestine is imminently possible if only the Jewish state would deconstruct its people’s settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights and agree to shared ownership of Jerusalem. The above conditions, one should note, are conditions Obama adopted on his own; they are not conditions that Israel is offering and they are not conditions that will pacify Palestine for any length of time, based on the statements and behavior of the Palestinian Authority and its Legislative Council. Obama asserts, in effect, that peace is up to Israel. It’s an invertebrate, Carteresque play: stay away from the scary guy and get tough with the friendly guy. In asking Netanyahu to sit down with the Palestinian leadership, Obama is asking Israel to collaborate with those who openly seek to annihilate it. The truth is that the two sides can’t live side by side in peace because that is not what the Palestinians really want. American advocates of the two-state solution point to polling data that they wrongly read as indicating that a majority of Palestinians favor a two-state solution. In fact, 80% of Palestinians will only accept a two-state solution on the condition that Palestinians are allowed to return to land lost when modern Israel was established, which will render the Jewish people a homeless minority. One might have thought that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, leader of the Fatah party in Palestine, was hostile enough toward Israel for vengeance-minded Palestinians. Abbas’s Fatah party composes the majority of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, an on-again, off-again member of the United States’s terrorist organization list and which includes among its constitutional goals the “eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence.” Apparently not hostile enough for Palestine. In 2006, Palestinian voters gave Hamas a majority of seats in the Legislative Council plus all of the administrative cabinet positions. Hamas is classified as a terrorist organization by the United States, the European Union, Canada and Japan. Its founding charter commits the group to replacing Israel with an Islamist state and to raising “the banner of Allah over every inch of [historic] Palestine.” dailycaller.com/2011/05/18/palestinians-dont-want-a-two-state-solution/#ixzz1Mp7PL1uXThe options are , status quo, and as that continues, I predict over time, the American public, will get tired of the $ aid given to Israel, as has been posted here by some and already talked about in detail in many circles. Then the absolute support of the state, as more and more drastic actions are taken by the state, Israel, as the Palestinians look for relief from the occupation, it is one you know, and the support for Israel, it's intransigent inability to try and satisfy the wants of the Palestinians will start to erode. As far as settlements, many are a few mobile homes perched on some hill some where, or a small community of a few 100 surrounded by a thousands, makes Berlin before the collapse of the wall seem like the size of a nation, Hebron for example, and Jerusalem, to be negotiated. To me, a small part of East Jerusalem, Arab area, enough for a small area for government buildings, a symbolic presence, a place to welcome VIP visitors to the Palestinian state, not that great price to pay for a settlement of this issue, Return of refugees is not going to happen, beyond say a tiny nominal amount to satisfy the pride of the Palestinians, if that. You might say why satisfy the Palestinians, and my answer is that is what civil people do when they negotiate such momentous decisions, only here on zones like this one is stupidity and emotion played out, you did see the continue posts on Nuking this one and that one, like I am back in grade school with some of these ideas.{Those kids would post much better ideas then those posted here I believe, Nuc's no less }
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Post by magichat on May 19, 2011 13:33:37 GMT -5
I'm sick of long drawn out wars. We invested billions in these state of the art weapons we should at least make sure they work. Besides it seems no one believes we WILL use then consequently they continue to antagonize us. If you ask me blowing one if them up might be just enough. We can start with Afghanistan there's nothing there anyway. You are so short sighted (again I really think the blind fold is in the way), why stop at one and why blow up nothing? I bet there are thousands of shanties in Palestine that use a nuke, right?
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Post by marshabar1 on May 19, 2011 13:42:31 GMT -5
Insults, hat? Couldn't you have said the same thing without the attack?
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Post by deziloooooo on May 19, 2011 13:46:02 GMT -5
Insults, hat? Couldn't you have said the same thing without the attack? Don't waste the time marsh..you and I can disagree but at least reasons of..try to answer and all and if still disagree , so we disagree..but then there are the children..actually , some don't approach the children in their comments so why bother to interact.....
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 19, 2011 13:46:12 GMT -5
none of their thought mean a f in the wind..just yadda, yadda..Obama bashing or haven't a clue as to the issues.
And posting reams of crap about the Middle East and Muslims makes you so well informed? If I wanted to read all that garbage I'd go to the news sites you pull it from, not here.
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Post by magichat on May 19, 2011 13:49:36 GMT -5
Insults, hat? Couldn't you have said the same thing without the attack? I would never guessed you would make such a complaint Marsha, btw is Ladylove one of your multiniks?
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Post by marshabar1 on May 19, 2011 13:53:15 GMT -5
Insults, hat? Couldn't you have said the same thing without the attack? Don't waste the time marsh..you and I can disagree but at least reasons of..try to answer and all and if still disagree , so we disagree..but then there are the children..actually , some don't approach the children in their comments so why bother to interact..... You're right, Dezi. Always the same.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 19, 2011 14:02:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 14:06:44 GMT -5
I'm with The Blaze comments-- I stand with Israel!!!!
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Post by ed1066 on May 19, 2011 14:10:09 GMT -5
Obama's anti-Semitism isn't going to help if he is trying to avoid comparisons to Jimmy Carter...
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Post by marshabar1 on May 19, 2011 14:14:45 GMT -5
My hero. . .
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Post by ladylove on May 19, 2011 14:20:58 GMT -5
I'm sick of long drawn out wars. We invested billions in these state of the art weapons we should at least make sure they work. Besides it seems no one believes we WILL use then consequently they continue to antagonize us. If you ask me blowing one if them up might be just enough. We can start with Afghanistan there's nothing there anyway. You are so short sighted (again I really think the blind fold is in the way), why stop at one and why blow up nothing? I bet there are thousands of shanties in Palestine that use a nuke, right? I'm short sighted yet I have to explain things to you. Why did we bomb Japan? Why those Islands and not the mainland? And why not Germany? The reason was to send a message! Nuking Afghanistan would send a message to all of the muslim world. We have the power and we're not afraid to use it. If you attack us or our allies or our interests we will respond.... FORCEFULLY, decisively, and without warning or regret!! Pretty simple and it beats us spending trillions nation building or trying to buy good will from people that hate us and will always hate us.
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Post by henryclay on May 19, 2011 14:21:14 GMT -5
Way to go, Israel!! You've given enough, and you've taken more abuse from your neighbors, (and Monday morning political strategists who think untrustworthy people can be trusted), than any nation on this earth. Obama even thinks there are more than 57 states in his own country, so I doubt if he could find Israel on a big map.
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Post by magichat on May 19, 2011 14:22:41 GMT -5
You are so short sighted (again I really think the blind fold is in the way), why stop at one and why blow up nothing? I bet there are thousands of shanties in Palestine that use a nuke, right? I'm short sighted yet I have to explain things to you. Why did we bomb Japan? Why those Islands and not the mainland? And why not Germany? The reason was to send a message! Nuking Afghanistan would send a message to all of the muslim world. We have the power and we're not afraid to use it. If you attack us or our allies or our interests we will respond.... FORCEFULLY, decisively, and without warning or regret!! Pretty simple and it beats us spending trillions nation building or trying to buy good will from people that hate us and will always hate us. Please go learn some history first... Go look at what got us into WWI and how WWI caused WWII. Statists and their fucking wars need to leave the rest of the US out of it.
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Post by henryclay on May 19, 2011 14:23:48 GMT -5
magichat, I need some help. You wrote: Why did we bomb Japan? Why those Islands and not the mainland? What the devil are you talking about?
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Post by magichat on May 19, 2011 14:26:41 GMT -5
magichat, I need some help. You wrote: Why did we bomb Japan? Why those Islands and not the mainland? What the devil are you talking about? I didn't write that. Talk to LadyLove.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 19, 2011 14:27:43 GMT -5
To dismiss out of hand, before meeting the President, there are borders and there is negotiating of, and to come to Washington now and meeting the President, pulling the old Israeli lobby , with all that is happening in the Middle East, putting pressure on the President with the lobby and Congress, he will be addressing the House, to me , dumb. Just the old status quo and no negotiating with the Palastinians, telling them how it will be, not very wise, and publickly dissing the President...negotiating, telling , in public...thought Jews are supposed to be smart, this one I wonder about. I think he got his POTUS mixed up, beleive the guy in the chair in the Oval Office is named Bush.
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Post by henryclay on May 19, 2011 14:34:42 GMT -5
Don't wonder too much, desi. just write Obama and recommend he keep his mouth shut. Israel has enough problems already.
Sorry magichat. mea culpa. You can slap me down any time you find an opening, and I'll understand.
LadyLove. Same question. What was your frame of reference here: "Why did we bomb Japan? Why those Islands and not the mainland?"
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on May 19, 2011 14:37:52 GMT -5
I think pulling back the 67 border would be tantamount to suicide for Israel.
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Post by ihearyou2 on May 19, 2011 14:39:51 GMT -5
The President unfortunately tried to show a stern hand but instead came across as out of touch. This will not help the process and will be more of a hindrance. Poor advice on the part of his advisors as a starting negotiating point. Most people other then extreme leftists will look at this with amusement or actual outright hostility, way out of touch.
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Post by ladylove on May 19, 2011 14:54:02 GMT -5
Don't wonder too much, desi. just write Obama and recommend he keep his mouth shut. Israel has enough problems already. Sorry magichat. mea culpa. You can slap me down any time you find an opening, and I'll understand. LadyLove. Same question. What was your frame of reference here: "Why did we bomb Japan? Why those Islands and not the mainland?" Nagasaki is on an island separate from mainland Japan which itself is an island and Hiroshima is a costal city in what is called the inland sea but I thought my point was obvious... we could just as easily dropped the bombs on Tokyo but the objective was.to destroy or demoralize Japan but to send a message that we COULD. I think we need to send that message to the muslim world.
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Post by shelby on May 19, 2011 14:54:24 GMT -5
Wow all the most rational unbiased people posting in one thread must be true . My head hurts... Okay... you want rational? Where is the evidence that supports the view that if Israel agrees to Obamas plan the violence will end? There's plenty of evidence to the contrary. I don't think it will end the violence it is too long and epic for a reasonable outcome. If I had it my way the whole area would be bombed and nobody wins. Kind of like if you cannot play fair I will take it away. I have very limited understanding of the area but seems to me for any resolution all sides would have to throw there religious beliefs away which will never happen. And my response was to the initial Obama bashing that had nothing to with the topic itself.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 19, 2011 15:00:20 GMT -5
I think pulling back the 67 border would be tantamount to suicide for Israel. How so, didn't say no adjustments wouldn't be made, they have carefully put settlements on high ground, strategicly where they could, and they have many settlements, real towns put where they want them and most would stay with them. Your looking for what, no state or a state with Israeli settlements between all areas as you go from A to B that one would have to pass through Israeli lines to go visit mom every time they wanted to go from a to B . Also how does a State function in commerce, moving product from A to B if broken up as it seems you might want. Or is it no State at all, status quo.
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Post by ladylove on May 19, 2011 15:03:44 GMT -5
I'm short sighted yet I have to explain things to you. Why did we bomb Japan? Why those Islands and not the mainland? And why not Germany? The reason was to send a message! Nuking Afghanistan would send a message to all of the muslim world. We have the power and we're not afraid to use it. If you attack us or our allies or our interests we will respond.... FORCEFULLY, decisively, and without warning or regret!! Pretty simple and it beats us spending trillions nation building or trying to buy good will from people that hate us and will always hate us. Please go learn some history first... Go look at what got us into WWI and how WWI caused WWII. Statists and their fucking wars need to leave the rest of the US out of it. Hey last time I checked it was Islamists that attacked US!!! Not sure what that has to do with WWI and WWII. I do know if it wasn't for the west the Arabs would still be living in tents burning camel shit for heat and cooking and digging sand out of their ass cracks while arguing over who has the bigger sword! You'd think they'd show a little appreciation and try and get along with their neighbors!
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Post by deziloooooo on May 19, 2011 15:04:26 GMT -5
Okay... you want rational? Where is the evidence that supports the view that if Israel agrees to Obamas plan the violence will end? There's plenty of evidence to the contrary. I don't think it will end the violence it is too long and epic for a reasonable outcome. If I had it my way the whole area would be bombed and nobody wins. Kind of like if you cannot play fair I will take it away. I have very limited understanding of the area but seems to me for any resolution all sides would have to throw there religious beliefs away which will never happen. And my response was to the initial Obama bashing that had nothing to with the topic itself. It has nothing to do with religiouse beliefs..and I have to say, glad you don't have it your way.
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Post by magichat on May 19, 2011 15:06:56 GMT -5
Please go learn some history first... Go look at what got us into WWI and how WWI caused WWII. Statists and their fucking wars need to leave the rest of the US out of it. Hey last time I checked it was Islamists that attacked US!!! Not sure what that has to do with WWI and WWII. I do know if it wasn't for the west the Arabs would still be living in tents burning camel shit for heat and cooking and digging sand out of their ass cracks while arguing over who has the bigger sword! You'd think they'd show a little appreciation and try and get along with their neighbors! You brought up WWII, I thought I would send you in the proper direction to learn a little. Sad to think the number of events that have transpired from the American involvment in WWI... Fair trade with all, alliances with none.
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Post by shelby on May 19, 2011 15:13:05 GMT -5
Dezi like I said very limited understanding of whats going on, I was mostly kidding about the bombing part I am not the type to advocate or agree with such things.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on May 19, 2011 15:27:11 GMT -5
I think pulling back the 67 border would be tantamount to suicide for Israel. How so, didn't say no adjustments wouldn't be made, they have carefully put settlements on high ground, strategicly where they could, and they have many settlements, real towns put where they want them and most would stay with them. Your looking for what, no state or a state with Israeli settlements between all areas as you go from A to B that one would have to pass through Israeli lines to go visit mom every time they wanted to go from a to B . Also how does a State function in commerce, moving product from A to B if broken up as it seems you might want. Or is it no State at all, status quo. Israel population and strategic production would be too close to the border they would go from 45 miles down to 8 with no room for there military . Do not forget they will be bordering people who have repeatedly called for there extinction.
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