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Post by marshabar1 on May 15, 2011 20:46:48 GMT -5
Hundreds of Syrians broke through the border fence and entered the Golan Heights on Sunday to mark "Nakba Day" - the Day of Catastrophe when Israel was reborn as a nation-state. The infiltrators clashed with Israeli soldiers, who were authorized to open fire. Four Syrians were reportedly killed in the clashes, and dozens more were wounded. At least five Israeli soldiers were also wounded. A large number of Syrians are reported to have escaped deeper into the Golan Heights, and are being pursued by the Israeli army. Arab demonstrators also massed on the Israel-Lebanon border, threatening to break through that barrier, as well. Israeli soldiers fired over the protesters' heads, prompting them to halt their advance, and Lebanese soldiers and members of the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) then stepped in to control the demonstrators. In Gaza, demonstrators broke through Hamas checkpoints and approached the Gaza security fence forcing Israeli tanks to open fire to keep them back. Palestinian sources claimed dozens were wounded in the clash. Violence also erupted in Jerusalem, where Arabs stoned police and Jewish motorists, and hurled firebombs at Hadassah Mount Scopus Hospital. On Saturday, an Arab teen from the Jerusalem neighborhood of Silwan was shot dead during a clash with Israeli security officers. It remains unclear who actually shot the youth, but officials feared his death would spark much more severe violence. For months, pro-Palestinian activists around the world have been encouraging Arabs in neighboring states and territories to march on Israel en masse to mark the 63th Nakba Day. The largest promotional avenue was Facebook. However, by mid-afternoon, it appeared the popular assault on the Jewish state would be less intense than feared. Nevertheless, more than 10,000 soldiers and police officers remained on high alert for any flare-ups. www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/22788/Default.aspxYeah, peace. Right.
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Post by henryclay on May 15, 2011 20:52:54 GMT -5
Thanks, Marsha. I feel it's only a matter of time before someone here will remind us that it is all Israel's fault and that they should be punished for over-reacting. Like, if that's the way they spend the aid money we send, we ought to quit sending it.
Or something like that.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 15, 2011 20:55:23 GMT -5
It was ordained they should feel that way and think that way, Henry. It's a miracle the Jews have survived amidst all the hatred.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 20:57:00 GMT -5
Invaded on 3 fronts, they were. Gaza, Syria, Lebanon... it I remember right. Horrible. reeks of Iran......
God BLESS Israel.
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Post by henryclay on May 15, 2011 20:58:44 GMT -5
At least Israel has a fence for their invaders to breech. What have we got?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 20:59:43 GMT -5
The hatred from American Jews is the worst, IMO. HOW can they do that? If Obama allows something bad to happen to Israel that will be it for America. There WILL be a revolution. Let us hope that will not happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 21:01:08 GMT -5
And they take it seriously. Troops on the borders. Not here, in the NAU.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 21:01:41 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on May 15, 2011 21:08:27 GMT -5
The hatred from American Jews is the worst, IMO. HOW can they do that? If Obama allows something bad to happen to Israel that will be it for America. There WILL be a revolution. Let us hope that will not happen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The hatred from American Jews is the worst," Again, a link something that I am probably missing...
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Post by marshabar1 on May 15, 2011 21:25:20 GMT -5
I watched a tv show called "An Idiot Abroad" a travel show. Kind of weird in a sense but the travel footage was by far the best I've ever seen. The traveler crossed through the Separation Barrier and it was amazing to see. That thing is massive and imposing. Photos don't do it justice.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 21:36:40 GMT -5
Dez. It is no secret that many American Jews are pro-Palestinian and anti Jew. I have one as a friend even. He is very liberal. How much support do you hear coming out of Hollyweird for Israel? Not that much.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 15, 2011 21:40:15 GMT -5
How much support do you hear coming out of Hollyweird for Israel? Not that much. Not that none! Think of the miracles of the 6 Day War and the Yom Kippur War. Think of the drama. Those victorious battles aren't studied for strategy because the victories were impossible. Worth a big movie or two? I guess not.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 15, 2011 22:01:42 GMT -5
God bless Israel....they're not as bad as the Arabs...maybe....sure have killed a lot more though.... time to buy them BOTH off...
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Post by deziloooooo on May 15, 2011 22:03:37 GMT -5
Dez. It is no secret that many American Jews are pro-Palestinian and anti Jew. I have one as a friend even. He is very liberal. How much support do you hear coming out of Hollyweird for Israel? Not that much. Kricket, don't take this wrong but as you said to your friend, your mouth does get you in trouble and one of your problems is you sprout things that just are so far over the line and nuts , to not respond in kind is very hard. For me to say that there is not a Jew somewhere who might be pro Palastinian, that would be to much, possible there is one. Is there some sympathy for the palastinians? Of course, this has been a cluster F for over 60 years, and are there questions one can ask and question the different Israeli Governments over the years? Of course, however, they might have answers that satisfy one or possible not on some points, but when it gets to the nitty gritty, while some sympathy for, does not translate into "Pro Palastinian "for any but some one or two somewhere, because there is always some one somewhere in every topic on earth. Israeli's themselves, they are very political, and many are arrogant SOB's too, but even they question their government. They run the gauntlet from the extreme right who feel the West Bank, the two tribal areas, have been given to the Israelia by G-d itself and all Palastinians should be moved, foreceable if necessay to Arab lands. Then you have the ones on the extreme left , they want just to live in peace and are willing to give more then what most feel would be safe, so even among Israeli's there are differences, but don't get it into your head , as I said , when it gets to the nitty gritty, that there are Jews who are Pro Plastinian over the safety of Israel remaining as it is , a Jewih State, there is not any , and for you to continue posting such ideas, I know all about freedom of speech, but while you can post as you want, when you post along those lines, your not even 1/2 % right. I am being kind as I post to you, believe me. There is more of a chance of a Jew being Anti Semetic, and there probaly are a few, hate themselves, the State, then that Jews will support the palastinian cause over the cause of the Israeli's. Some one some where? Possible but to actually mention such a possibility as you did, "It is no secret that many American Jews are pro-Palestinian and anti Jew. " think of the strongest ajectives, then apply it to your post.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 15, 2011 22:07:26 GMT -5
I watched a tv show called "An Idiot Abroad" a travel show. Kind of weird in a sense but the travel footage was by far the best I've ever seen. The traveler crossed through the Separation Barrier and it was amazing to see. That thing is massive and imposing. Photos don't do it justice. Problem it, is not finished, ran out of $, ugly as sin, some questions as to how come mostly with in Palastinian possible borders, but with all the questions , since up , very few of those bombings that were taking lives of innocents, Jews and Arabs, almost daily.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 22:08:27 GMT -5
I stand by my post, Dez. Very many American Jews are anti-Israel.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 15, 2011 22:20:10 GMT -5
Dezi, research on the internet is so easy and it saves time for others if you want to discuss a thing. Jewish flotilla to break Gaza siege German Jewish group prepares flotilla to protest Israel's blockade on Gaza. 'Activists frightened, but not by Hamas,' member of organization says Aviel Magnezi Published: 06.06.10, 20:33 / Israel News Share on TwitterShare on Facebook share The German-Jewish organization Jewish Voice for Peace in the Middle East is preparing a Jewish flotilla to the Gaza Strip. "We intend to leave around July," a member of the organization, Kate Leitrer, said to Ynet. "We have one small craft so far, in which there will be between 12 and 16 people, mostly Jews." www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899915,00.html this was the first of MANY results by a simple google search of the words "Jews gaza flotilla" you could also search "jews support palestine" I've got to admit I get awfully weary of discussing politics with people who won't even do a tiny bit of homework to back up or make their points. Dezi,I want to add that I would never take the time to suggest this to someone I didn't have a great deal of respect for. I respect your opinions and your attitude very much.
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Post by lakhota on May 15, 2011 22:22:25 GMT -5
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Post by marshabar1 on May 15, 2011 22:24:41 GMT -5
Bringing more good cheer. ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 22:26:36 GMT -5
Here you go, Dez. ONE group of anti-Israel American Jews. You can say they are not anti-Israel, but pro-Palestinian, if you choose. But-- I look at their articles, read their stances-- yes they are anti-Israel. They even have a press release on this page against Obama and Clinton. This, Dez, is why so many American Jews are angry at Obama-- because so far, he, and Hil, have stood by Israel. They don't like that. People say-- Obama got the Jewish vote. So-- they are mad, just like so many he let down by not being ABLE to be as far left as they like. Not that he ISN'T that far left, just that American politics will not ALLOW him to be all he wants to be, do all he wants to do. Not surprised you didn't know this, Dez. Until I heard my liberal Jewish friend from CA trashing Israel I had no idea myself. Uh, the link....... www.ajjp.org/about/press-releases
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Post by Tennesseer on May 15, 2011 22:28:55 GMT -5
krickitt-Dezi has stated he is Jewish. Do you believe Dezi dislikes Israel and the Jewish people? Of do you think Dezi might believe this war has gone on long enough and the two groups need to sit their butts down and make peace with each other once and for all. Both sides need to stop antagonizing each other with their actions.
I personally think it is the later and so does most of the world.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 15, 2011 22:47:05 GMT -5
I stand by my post, Dez. Very many American Jews are anti-Israel. Stand , sit, do cart wheels , go ring a round thhe rosy , all fall down...your wrong, even your change to" "Very many Americans are Anti -Israel " absolutely wrong..to question some policies does not translate into "Very many American Jews are anti-Israel", Your on the web, stop posting, do some googling, explore a bit..show me, better yet, show yourself, you don't know what your talking about. Some , as I said, probably, but enough to even mean anything at all...anything..absolutly not. Some years ago, you probably were to young to really remember, Israel forces invaded Lebanon in a attempt to crush Arafat and the PLO, they had retreated in mass to Lebanon after Jordan , the King, crushed a rebellion of them from the camps who tried to overthrow his kingdom, 100's were killed, and the Israeli's were shelling daily the apartment houses they had with drawn to in Beirut, looked like hell warmed over and it was. This was before they, PLO , retreated by boat, Arafat too, to one of the Mediterranean countries by ship. During the days of this, it went on for weeks, no small excursion, I had been in a waiting room of a customer , wealthy guy, Drug wholesale business, door was open and he as yelling on to the phone , there was a Jewish fund raiser on the other end. Found out later after I was in to see him, and we got into a discussion of his being so upset and he said that he was considering not sending a donation to Israel that year he was so upset. A few weeks later I was with friends and one of them was one of those fund raisers and we got into the discussion of how his fund drive was going and I mentioned the discussion. He asked who, smiled , after I told him, said he sent in his usual, $5,000 and pledged more for later in the year. Just a story, true one, but shows a bit, one can get upset with policy at times, but when it gets to the nitty gritty time...chips are down, there is not going to be a change, and your mixing up some who question, to your claim of "Very many American Jews are anti-Israel",
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 15, 2011 22:50:18 GMT -5
Have you ever considered that some people want peace, and that doesn't mean theyre anti-Israel (and saying they're "anti Jew" is in bad taste btw). When we get out of this gd pub depression, it's time to buy them both out- it's cheaper than this incredidible never ending tragedy- and that includes the whole ME. Build a port for Gaza, a tunnel to the West Bank, and turn Jerusalem into a Holy Land theme park run by Norwegians and Indonesians and maybe Mormons LOL!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 22:56:21 GMT -5
I stand by my statement. Heard it first hand from an American Jew. Also posted a link. I had no idea you are Jewish, but if you are an American Jew that is not anti-Israel, good for you, Dez. Israel is surrounded and under attack on all sides. I have little respect for any Jew or any human being that could condone the destruction of Israel. JMO, of course.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 15, 2011 23:05:45 GMT -5
"We have one small craft so far, in which there will be between 12 and 16 people, mostly Jews." [Is it 12 or 16, mostly, how many is mostly. ]
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"Very many American Jews are anti-Israel","
Agree , seeing civilians killed, when Israel goes after leaders of the groups attacking Israel{remember iover 600 rockets fired into Civilian areas of SouthernIsrael last year , get really upset , as did many of us seing Beirut , PLO bing bombed by Israeli artillery, very emotional, but after a thing of today, the mass demonstrations of 1000's of Palastinians to the fences , the borders , and in the Golan , crossing the borders, on the anniversary of , when they , the Arabs left most of them , forced out some, 1948, from then Palastine, , starting the dispora of the refugees 63 years ago, and today panicking when they realized all these Arabs, if they kept coming, then what.
Possible no change in their attitude but then again. those 12/16 , mostly Jews , who are going to break the blockade to Gaza, dramatically, my bet young and impressionable, better they pick up the paper and check it out, the blockade is basically broken, Egypt is opening up the gates from Egypt to Gaza, new administration , so the dramatic flotilla, small boat, really not needed, but still I wonder after reading of the attack on the border by Arab youth, and what if they had kept coming..how many are still , what diid you call it, anti Israel???
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www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=220567Haniyeh on Nakba Day: Pray for an end to Israel By JPOST.COM STAFF 05/15/2011 09:47 Hamas PM says group will not recognize Israel; Erekat calls on Netanyahu to "say the numbers 1-9-6-7" if he is serious about peace. Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh spoke to Muslim worshipers on Sunday morning, telling them to pray for an end to Israel. "Palestinians mark the Nakba with great hope of bringing to an end the Zionist project in Palestine," Haniyeh told 10,000 people at Gaza City's al-Omari mosque, AP reported. To achieve our goals in the liberation of our occupied land, we should have one leadership," he reportedly said, praising the recent unity accord between Hamas and Fatah. Haniyeh added that Hamas would not recognize Israel. Senior Palestinian official Saeb Erekat on Sunday also commented on Nakba Day events, telling Israel Radio, "This is the day of my nakba, it is the day when my nation was interrupted. Sixty-three years later, we're still interrupted, we're still under occupation. If I want to go to Jerusalem, I still need to ask permission from one of your kids, your soldiers." Commenting about a plan in which Israel would agree to a Palestinian state on 1967 borders if the Palestinians agreed to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, Erekat said "Your title is the State of Israel, and that is how we recognize you. It's none of my business to determine who you are. I want to hear the numbers 1-9-6-7 from Netanyahu. Until we don't hear that, we're not going to waste our time." "We are ready for negotiations but Netanyahu has closed the doors on negotiations," the Palestinian official said. "He has ordered the demolition of homes, he has kicked people out, and has chosen the settlements." On the Hamas-Fatah unity deal posing a challenge to the peace process, Erekat said, "We haven't yet begun talking to Hamas. Abbas is still running the government. A month ago the prime minister [Netanyahu] said who shall I make negotiations with? Enough with this. You always find excuses. You don't want to see Palestinians complain, you don't want to see Palestinians at all!" The former PLO negotiator commented on Netanyahu blaming the PA for the recent resignation of US Middle East envoy George Mitchell, saying "I think the tsunami in Japan two months ago is blamed on us. We have accepted everything. The prime minister has foiled every step to advance talks. I believe Mitchell did a good job, but the prime minister foiled his mission."
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 15, 2011 23:17:43 GMT -5
Nobody but whackos wants the DESTRUCTION of Israel fcs ay caramba....not a single jewish american does....get a grip...
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 23:21:26 GMT -5
Dez-- I introduced you to Debka. How is that? I noticed you do not post from there any more. Why? Do you not like it any more? Tenn says you are Jewish. Assuming that is true-- how do you feel about Israel, the FACT that they are surrounded by enemies? The whole thing. I'd like to know what you think-- if you can stop insulting what I think long enough.
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