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Post by lakhota on May 15, 2011 23:27:07 GMT -5
Radical leftists: Soldiers are killersYnetnews: Around 100 extreme leftists are protesting near Tel Aviv’s Cinematheque in a show of support for the Palestinian “Nakba Day,” “the Just people’s uprising”, and against “the killing of innocent civilians”. Interesting that Israel’s most popular Hebrew newspaper describes Israeli-Jews demonstrating in solidarity with Palestinians on Nakba Day as “extreme leftists” when all they do is protest against violations of international law. We now say, “We’re all extreme leftists…” www.israeli-occupation.org/2011-05-15/radical-leftists-soldiers-are-killers/
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Post by deziloooooo on May 15, 2011 23:30:54 GMT -5
I stand by my statement. Heard it first hand from an American Jew. Also posted a link. I had no idea you are Jewish, but if you are an American Jew that is not anti-Israel, good for you, Dez. Israel is surrounded and under attack on all sides. I have little respect for any Jew or any human being that could condone the destruction of Israel. JMO, of course. For the last time Krickett, believe me when I say it. First, I am very aware of Israels problems, today, as much as any because of so much that is going down in the middle East and Krickett, I know many, many, many, once more , so many Jews , personally, as well as non Jews...I have never heard ONE of them ever express themselves as ever being anti Israel, even when some , as I have expressed questions on some policies of Israel, there was NEVER any thought insinuated that any were in any way, anti Israel, and while at times some sympathy for the Palastinian plight, how can at times one not, it is a weakness of Jews, feel for the little guy, we have been that for so long, never over the safety of the Israeli's and the well being of the State as a Jewish Staste. The continuation of the State as a Jewish State is paramount in all eyes, , and if there had to be a defeat, some suffering, with regret in some cases, but better it happen to the other side over their side, and in this case their side was the side of the Israeli's. I listen to you tell me about the problems in Az with the illegals, and while I might differ with you on your feeling of your States handling of it vs the Federal being the one who has to do it, in my eyes, I have never said or indicate, that I don't believe there is a problem and listen to your post closely. You are there, you know much more about the problem, the reality of then I do. We don't have that problem were I live, though I am sure they Illegals, are her. For all I know cutting our grass and maintaining the grounds. Though we use a very large company for that, they claim all are here legally ,but 100% of those folks seem to be foreign, mostly from the Islands I believe and most of their english skills suck, so who knows. As I trust you on knowing what you speak vs problems in AZ on illegals, trust me on this, even with a floilla of 12/16 mostleys, I know of what I speak as far as Jewish support toward Israel, conservative and Liberal. when it comes to Israel, while nothing is ever 100%, on this as close as one can realistically, we are all on the same page toward support of. |
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Post by deziloooooo on May 15, 2011 23:41:55 GMT -5
Radical leftists: Soldiers are killersYnetnews: Around 100 extreme leftists are protesting near Tel Aviv’s Cinematheque in a show of support for the Palestinian “Nakba Day,” “the Just people’s uprising”, and against “the killing of innocent civilians”. Interesting that Israel’s most popular Hebrew newspaper describes Israeli-Jews demonstrating in solidarity with Palestinians on Nakba Day as “extreme leftists” when all they do is protest against violations of international law. We now say, “We’re all extreme leftists…” www.israeli-occupation.org/2011-05-15/radical-leftists-soldiers-are-killers/ I am sure that some are, there is a peace movement in Israel, there is disagreement with the hardline taken by the present government , it is a much of a Democracy as here , in fact more as they have so many parties, and they are all voting members in the Knesset, thus minor parties since the governments are always coalition governments, they have more clout then they should in shaping policy, but have it because with out them, ruling party would have to fall and new elections called. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 23:43:42 GMT -5
Well, that's good, Dez. Glad you have that sort of friends. It is getting close to time when sides will be chosen for all. You see Iran moving in on Israel, I know you do.
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Post by lakhota on May 15, 2011 23:46:33 GMT -5
Top U.N. Investigator Accuses Israel of Ethnic CleansingRichard Falk, an American academic and the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Human Rights in the Palestinian Territories, spoke to the UN Human Rights Council as it readied a resolution condemning illegal Israeli settlement building in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank. Falk said that the “continued pattern of settlement expansion in East Jerusalem combined with the forcible eviction of long-residing Palestinians are creating an intolerable situation” which “can only be described in its cumulative impact as a form of ethnic cleansing.” Falk is not allowed to enter Israel because authorities in the Jewish state have accused him of being “biased,” a term which, like “anti-Semite” or, my favorite, “self-hating Jew,” is used to attack anyone who disagrees or finds fault with Zionist policies or actions. He said he would like the Human Rights Council to ask the International Court of Justice to look at Israeli behavior in the occupied territories. Falk’s comments are likely to raise eyebrows, but not in Israel where denial of the Jewish state’s origins run as deep as the Dead Sea. The fact is, Israel was largely established through a process of slow-motion ethnic cleansing. The very earliest Zionists, like the delegation of Austrian rabbis who traveled to Palestine (which would later become Israel) in 1897, realized that they would have to engage in ethnic cleansing if they were to establish their beloved Israel because it wasn’t exactly “a land without a people waiting for a people without a land,” as many pro-Zionists purported. After that rabbinical delegation arrived in the Holy Land, it cabled back this description of Palestine to Vienna: “The bride is beautiful, but she is married to another man.” So much for the “land without a people.”  More (worth reading): morallowground.com/2011/03/22/top-u-n-investigator-accuses-israel-of-ethnic-cleansing/
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Post by deziloooooo on May 15, 2011 23:57:55 GMT -5
Dez-- I introduced you to Debka. How is that? I noticed you do not post from there any more. Why? Do you not like it any more? Tenn says you are Jewish. Assuming that is true-- how do you feel about Israel, the FACT that they are surrounded by enemies? The whole thing. I'd like to know what you think-- if you can stop insulting what I think long enough. I read debka every day, I believed I just posted something from them. They don't change articles daily. Lordy to discuss israel, I think I have done that to death , reread , you will get a idea of where I am coming from. As I have been saying in some of my posts on articles, a lot will be happening in the next year. You have a change in Egypt now, there will be a change in Egypts policy toward Israel, the new, when formed ,civilien and the Military. They are going to change theor relations with Hamas. The Blockade of Gaza is basically finished, now are are they going to move more rockets into Gaza , as they did into Lebonan. Will Iran get more of a foot hold in Gaza through Hamas and if Hamas wins the election, possible held in September, will they then move into the West Bank. Israel , what will they do? Prempt strikes on rockets, Hezballahs in Syria, that Hezballah want to move to Lebonan for safe keeping, not trusting their safe keeping by Assad anymore, If so, Israerl may attack them, probably will. If Rockets come into gaza, Israel, may try take them out. How will Europeon Countries vote when asked to recognize a Palastinian State even though no agreement is signed and settled with Israel. Obama is said to present his plan for peace, in August, what will that entail, figuring it will conside the new realitis in the area. I can go on and on and on. Nough said, it will be a interesting year. |
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Post by deziloooooo on May 16, 2011 0:05:04 GMT -5
Top U.N. Investigator Accuses Israel of Ethnic CleansingRichard Falk, an American academic and the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Human Rights in the Palestinian Territories, spoke to the UN Human Rights Council as it readied a resolution condemning illegal Israeli settlement building in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank. Falk said that the “continued pattern of settlement expansion in East Jerusalem combined with the forcible eviction of long-residing Palestinians are creating an intolerable situation” which “can only be described in its cumulative impact as a form of ethnic cleansing.” Falk is not allowed to enter Israel because authorities in the Jewish state have accused him of being “biased,” a term which, like “anti-Semite” or, my favorite, “self-hating Jew,” is used to attack anyone who disagrees or finds fault with Zionist policies or actions. He said he would like the Human Rights Council to ask the International Court of Justice to look at Israeli behavior in the occupied territories. Falk’s comments are likely to raise eyebrows, but not in Israel where denial of the Jewish state’s origins run as deep as the Dead Sea. The fact is, Israel was largely established through a process of slow-motion ethnic cleansing. The very earliest Zionists, like the delegation of Austrian rabbis who traveled to Palestine (which would later become Israel) in 1897, realized that they would have to engage in ethnic cleansing if they were to establish their beloved Israel because it wasn’t exactly “a land without a people waiting for a people without a land,” as many pro-Zionists purported. After that rabbinical delegation arrived in the Holy Land, it cabled back this description of Palestine to Vienna: “The bride is beautiful, but she is married to another man.” So much for the “land without a people.” More (worth reading): morallowground.com/2011/03/22/top-u-n-investigator-accuses-israel-of-ethnic-cleansing/ --------------------------------------------------- Wicki on Richard Falk --------------------------------------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Falk----------------------------------------------- According to a UN press release, then Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations Itzhak Levanon[14] said that the mandate of the Special Rapporteur was "hopelessly unbalanced... redundant at best and malicious at worst". Referring to Falk's statement that it was not "an irresponsible overstatement to associate the treatment of Palestinians with the criminalized Nazi record of collective atrocity", Yitzhak Levanon argued that "someone who had publicly and repeatedly stated such views could not possibly be considered independent, impartial or objective". He stated the council was "missing an opportunity" to lay "the groundwork for better cooperation with Israel". --------------------------------------------------- How to make friends and influence people..especially Jews ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Referring to Falk's statement that it was not "an irresponsible overstatement to associate the treatment of Palestinians with the criminalized Nazi record of collective atrocity" -------------------------------------------------------------------- I know all accused are entitled to a vigorouse defense...but still ---------------------------------------------------------------- In October, 1973, Falk defended Karleton Armstrong, who pleaded guilty to bombing the University of Wisconsin Army Mathematics Research Center, which killed a researcher working there and injured another four people. The New York Times reported that Falk "appealed for full amnesty for all resistors, including those who use violent tactics to oppose the war in Vietnam." The Times further reported that Falk, "cited the Nuremberg Trials as precedent for defense assertions that private American citizens had 'a right, and perhaps a duty' to actively oppose the war by any means".[41] According to Ronald Christenson, political science professor at Gustavus Adolphus College, Falk "invoked the Nuremberg precedent to argue that there is a right of individuals to stop crime 'even by creating a lesser crime'". ------------------------------------------------------------------- I know he later after the fact changed his opinion of khomeini however, did he change it because of khomeini actions, pressure..or he realized he screwed up.. ------------------------------------------------------------- In early 1979, when Falk was a professor of International Law at Princeton, he joined a group of Americans visiting Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini at his home in exile in France.[44] Khomeini was little known in the US or outside of Iran at the time, but was a leader of a massive protest movement in Iran that was soon to overthrow the Shah, a long-time and important ally of the United States who had come under heavy criticism for his human rights record. Khomeini was to become Supreme Leader of Iran before the end of the year. On February 16, 1979, two weeks after Khomeini returned to Iran to lead the revolution, Falk spoke out strongly in his defense. In an opinion-editorial article for the New York Times, he condemned the depiction of Khomeini by certain American leaders "as fanatical, reactionary, and the bearer of crude prejudices", saying it seemed to be done "in a manner calculated to frighten". In making the case that Khomeini's earlier statements of his intentions could be trusted, Falk explained that "Khomeini's style is to express his real views defiantly and without apology, regardless of consequences ... To suppose that Ayatollah Khomeini is dissembling seems almost beyond belief." He added "[H]aving created a new model of popular revolution based, for the most part, on nonviolent tactics, Iran may yet provide us with a desperately-needed model of humane governance for a third-world country."[45][16] Falk was criticized by other commentators for his remarks,[44][46] and purportedly later changed his opinion of Khomeini.[47] ------------------------------------------------------- This one is ongoing now, not yet played out...we'll have to see ----------------------------------------------------- "LibyaDuring the 2011 Libyan civil war, Falk published an op-ed in Al Jazeera against the proposals for military intervention. Falk claimed that military intervention was illegal under international law, and that "the Gaddafi government, however distasteful on humanitarian grounds, remains the lawful diplomatic representative of a sovereign state". Falk also claimed that any intervention would be pro-insurgency rather than counter-insurgency, and criticized politicians who supported intervention, claiming that "it seems that many of the Republicans focused on the deficit although cutting public expidentures punishes the poor at a time of widespread unemployment and home foreclosures would not mind ponying up countless billions to finance acts of war in Libya".[63] In another op-ed in Today's Zaman, Falk claimed that unlike protests in other countries, the Libyan opposition was reliant on military force "almost from the start", and that Gaddafi's political reaction was fully justified as an "expression of Libyan self-determination". He also claimed that the intervention was not to protect civilians from attack, but to ensure a rebel victory and the defeat of Gaddafi. |
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 16, 2011 0:18:09 GMT -5
Krickett you see wars everywhere, death and destruction- I see the end of history THANK GOD! ;D When we get out of this gd pub depression (and we're IDIOTS if we elect them again as is), it's time to buy them both out- it's cheaper than this incredidible never ending tragedy- and that includes the whole ME.  Build a port for Gaza, a tunnel to the West Bank, and turn Jerusalem into a Holy Land theme park run by Norwegians and Indonesians and maybe Mormons LOL!   |
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Post by deziloooooo on May 16, 2011 0:25:41 GMT -5
Krickett you see wars everywhere, death and destruction- I see the end of history THANK GOD! ;D When we get out of this gd pub depression (and we're IDIOTS if we elect them again as is), it's time to buy them both out- it's cheaper than this incredidible never ending tragedy- and that includes the whole ME. Build a port for Gaza, a tunnel to the West Bank, and turn Jerusalem into a Holy Land theme park run by Norwegians and Indonesians and maybe Mormons LOL! Mormons are good , but no liquor licenses..bummer. |
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 1:21:46 GMT -5
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 1:38:59 GMT -5
Is the US in Bed with a Rogue Nation?The US may very well be in bed with a rogue nation but first one must know the meaning of the expression “rogue nation”. The expression was first used by Les Aspin, Clinton’s first Secretary of Defense, and the “rogue nations’ included Cuba, Syria, Libya, North Korea, Iran and Iraq. Exactly what is a “rogue nation”? Is a “rogue nation” one who refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty despite the fact that by Pentagon and CIA estimates, that nation has 200-400 nuclear weapons? Is a “rogue nation” one who defiantly violates international law and United Nations Resolutions? Is a “rogue nation” one who has been condemned by Amnesty International and world human rights organization for its many abuses? Is a “rogue nation” one who illegally invades another's lands and brutally occupies that territory for 35 years? Is a ‘rogue nation” one who takes the water from conquered people and allows themselves 350 liters per day per person while leaving the conquered people with 100 liters per day per person? (The World Health Organization says the amount to meet minimum needs per person is 130 liters per person per day.) Is a “rogue nation” one who completely shuts off the water for the conquered people during droughts, but continues to use tremendous quantities to fill their swimming pools and water their lawns? Is a ‘rogue nation” one who, according to the London Times, is developing an “ethnic bomb”? Is a “rogue nation” one who according to the London Sunday Times has produced both chemical and biological weapons with a sophisticated delivery system? Is a nation considered a “rogue nation” if its leader is facing indictment in the courts of Belgium as a “War Criminal” and for “Crimes against Humanity”? Is a “rogue nation’ one who assassinates (a recent count of 53) members of another people’s government? Is a “rogue nation” one who spies on the United States and gives valuable military information to our major enemies? Is a “rogue nation” one who bombs an American ship and kills 34 American sailors? Is a “rogue nation” one who bombs United Nations peacekeepers and kills 106 innocent people? Is a “rogue nation” considered to be “rogue” if it has been condemned more times (70) than any other nation in the world by the United Nations? Is a “rogue nation” one who has been accused (12/02) by 100 nations who signed the Geneva Convention of “grave breaches” of the Geneva Convention such as deliberately killing Palestinians in the occupied territories? Why would the American taxpayer give to that nation $12,000,000 (a conservative estimate) every single day??? www.mediamonitors.net/josephclifford3.html
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 1:48:20 GMT -5
The Cost of Israel to US TaxpayersFor many years the American media said that “Israel receives $1.8 billion in military aid” or that “Israel receives $1.2 billion in economic aid.” Both statements were true, but since they were never combined to give us the complete total of annual U.S. aid to Israel, they also were lies—true lies. Recently Americans have begun to read and hear that “Israel receives $3 billion in annual U.S. foreign aid.” That's true. But it's still a lie. The problem is that in fiscal 1997 alone, Israel received from a variety of other U.S. federal budgets at least $525.8 million above and beyond its $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, and yet another $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the complete total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel for fiscal 1997 was $5,525,800,000. One can truthfully blame the mainstream media for never digging out these figures for themselves, because none ever have. They were compiled by the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. But the mainstream media certainly are not alone. Although Congress authorizes America's foreign aid total, the fact that more than a third of it goes to a country smaller in both area and population than Hong Kong probably never has been mentioned on the floor of the Senate or House. Yet it's been going on for more than a generation. Probably the only members of Congress who even suspect the full total of U.S. funds received by Israel each year are the privileged few committee members who actually mark it up. And almost all members of the concerned committees are Jewish, have taken huge campaign donations orchestrated by Israel's Washington, DC lobby, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), or both. These congressional committee members are paid to act, not talk. So they do and they don't. More: www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost_of_israel.html
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 2:02:53 GMT -5
U.S. Can't Afford Military Aid to IsraelIn his recent State of the Union address, President Obama pledged to "go through the budget line by line to eliminate programs that we can't afford and don't work." One week later, he sent his FY2011 budget request to Congress, which included a record-breaking $3 billion in military aid to Israel. This requested increase in U.S. weapons to Israel -- part of a ten-year $30 billion agreement signed between the two countries in 2007 -- qualifies on both counts as a program that the United States can't afford and that doesn't work in establishing a just and lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians. Data published recently by the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation shows that U.S. military aid to Israel comes at a financial and moral price that this country cannot afford to pay. Its website reveals that this same $3 billion earmark for Israel could be used instead to provide more than 364,000 low-income households with affordable housing vouchers, or to retrain 498,000 workers for green jobs, or to provide early reading programs to 887,000 at-risk students, or to provide access to primary health care services for more than 24 million uninsured Americans. If U.S. weapons were going to Israel for a good purpose, then perhaps a coherent guns versus butter debate would be appropriate. However, Israel repeatedly misuses U.S. weapons to commit grave human rights abuses against Palestinians who are forced to live under its illegal 42-year military occupation of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip. During the Bush Administration, Israel killed at least 3,107 innocent Palestinian civilians, according to the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem. Israel also injured thousands more innocent Palestinians and destroyed billions of dollars of Palestinian civilian infrastructure including homes, schools, factories, government buildings, and even Palestine's only airport. The severity and scale of this killing and destruction were made possible by hi-tech U.S. weapons provided to Israel at taxpayer expense. And during Obama's first year in office, Israel continued to misuse its stock of U.S. weapons to entrench its apartheid policies toward Palestinians by maintaining its illegal blockade of the Gaza Strip -- collectively punishing its 1.5 million Palestinian residents by severely restricting the flow of humanitarian relief -- and building illegal Israeli-only colonies on stolen Palestinian land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It was exactly to prevent this kind of misuse of U.S. weapons that Congress passed the Arms Export Control Act, which strictly limits foreign countries from employing U.S. weapons for any purpose other than "internal security" or "legitimate self-defense." Building apartheid walls and colonies to maintain a foreign military occupation, enforcing a medieval blockade, and killing and injuring innocent civilians by the thousands certainly cannot be considered legitimate and is self-evidently not for domestic security. Yet despite this clear misuse of U.S. weapons by Israel -- most evident recently during its December 2008-January 2009 attack on the Gaza Strip which killed more than 1,300 Palestinians in just three weeks -- both Congress and the Obama Administration have failed miserably to hold Israel accountable for its violations of the Arms Export Control Act and cut off weapons flows to it as required by the law. More: www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-ruebner/us-cant-afford-military-a_b_478104.html
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 2:09:59 GMT -5
US weapons to Israel are disincentives to peaceAgainst the background of Israel’s contempt for international law and violations of Palestinian human rights, and as Washington now considers raising the debt ceiling and making even more substantial cuts to the 2012 budget, Josh Ruebner argues that “the moral, financial and political costs of arming Israel can no longer be ignored”. President Obama asked for a record-breaking 3.075 billion dollars of weapons for Israel in his 2012 budget request. More: mycatbirdseat.com/2011/04/us-weapons-to-israel-are-disincentives-to-peace/#comments
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 2:23:02 GMT -5
Arab Protesters Descend On Israeli Borders MAJDAL SHAMS, Golan Heights — Mobilized by calls on Facebook, thousands of Arab protesters marched on Israel's borders with Syria, Lebanon and Gaza on Sunday in an unprecedented wave of demonstrations, sparking clashes that left at least 15 people dead in an annual Palestinian mourning ritual marking the anniversary of Israel's birth. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who heads to Washington at the end of the week, said he ordered the military to act with "maximum restraint" but vowed a tough response to further provocations. "Nobody should be mistaken. We are determined to defend our borders and sovereignty," he declared in a brief address broadcast live on Israeli TV stations. The violence showed Israel the extent of Arab anger over the Palestinian issue, beyond the residents of the West Bank and Gaza, and came at a critical time for U.S. Mideast policy. More: www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/16/arab-protesters-israel-borders_n_862270.html
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 2:39:28 GMT -5
Why I’m Going to Move Over AIPAC – A Young Jewish PerspectiveOne year ago this week, on April 14, 2010, I was pulling a bleary-eyed all-nighter at the heated divestment on the UC Berkeley campus about divestment from US corporations profiting from the Israeli occupation. I was there to testify in support of the bill as a young Jewish-American of Israeli descent. On March 18, UC Berkeley’s student senate had voted 16 to 4 in favor of divestment. A week later, the vote was vetoed by the student senate president. What was behind the defeat of the resolution? One primary influence: The American Israel Public Affairs Committee – AIPAC. In a shocking video, top AIPAC official Jonathan Kessler responded to a question about the divestment fight at Berkeley by saying, “We’re going to make sure that pro-Israel students take over the student government and reverse the vote…This is how AIPAC operates in our nation’s capital. This is how AIPAC must operate on our nation’s campuses.” And indeed, this year, the perfect AIPAC-Manchurian candidate has taken office: UC Berkeley student body president Noah Stern is a former AIPAC intern (who committed well-documented voter fraud to get elected). Some of the students who will be attending are already informed about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but many others are not. Once the convention begins, they are inundated with the fear-mongering policies of the second most powerful lobbyist organization in Washington D.C. (just behind the AARP). This year, the gala keynote address will be given by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who will most likely invoke rhetoric about the “global delegitimization of Israel”- a new term given to advocates of justice critiquing Israel’s human rights violations. There will likely be little, if any, discussion of the expansion of illegal settlements, the ongoing construction of the illegal apartheid wall (in many places built with 24-foot high concrete), Israel’s exploitation of Palestinian water resources, the violence of Jewish settlers toward Palestinians, the suffocation of the people in Gaza, or any of the other serious offenses occurring every day in the Occupied Territories. Speakers and workshops (which can be found here) include topics such as critical examination of the Arab world uprisings and the implications for Israel, the “threat” of Iran, and many sessions on the history of the region that will undoubtedly exclude the Palestinian narrative and current reality under occupation. One session is even titled “Israel Improving Palestinian Lives”! More: www.moveoveraipac.org/2011/04/why-im-going-to-move-over-aipac-a-young-jewish-perspective/
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 2:58:35 GMT -5
If Americans Knew What Israel Is Doing! VIDEO WAS CENSORED!
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Post by lakhota on May 16, 2011 2:59:49 GMT -5
AIPAC is pushing us to war with Iran for Israel
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Post by deziloooooo on May 16, 2011 6:35:35 GMT -5
"Yet despite this clear misuse of U.S. weapons by Israel -- most evident recently during its December 2008-January 2009 attack on the Gaza Strip which killed more than 1,300 Palestinians in just three weeks -- both Congress and the Obama Administration have failed miserably to hold Israel accountable for its violations of the Arms Export Control Act and cut off weapons flows to it as required by the law"
That action was because over 600 hundred Rockets were sent into Southern Israel, none aimed at military targets, bases, all at civilientargets...there was casualties...also other incursions and they weren't stopped till the Israelis went inton Gaza.
Hamas fighters hid in civilian areas, thus there were casualties, regrettable.
I know you don't normally comment on the articles you post , but possible you would have a suggestion on what the Israeli Government should have done regarding the rocket attacks into their country.
Just taken them and complain and just capitulate to the to the Palestinians in surrender isn't one of those ideas please.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 16, 2011 6:40:12 GMT -5
"The U.N. has passed more resolutions condemning Israel than it has all other nations combined"
The UN is, how do I say it, rarely will support Israel in any form, very biased against the State, so many Muslim countries, less interested in helping in the situation, better to just criticize .
"The violence showed Israel the extent of Arab anger over the Palestinian issue, beyond the residents of the West Bank and Gaza, and came at a critical time for U.S. Mideast policy."
The storming of the borders is a yearly occurrence on this date, celebrating the exodus of Palestinians over 63 years ago , this yearn instead of just demonstrating at the border, they tried to cross into Israel, three places, Syrian border, the Golan, Lebanon, needed the UN forces and the Lebanese Army to help push them back and in Gaza, so many there , tanks were needed to finally stop the incurs ones.
Israel is not going to capitulate and stop being a Jewish State, cease to exhist...even though many would like to see that happen, possible you too, but just isn't going to happen.
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Post by Bluerobin on May 16, 2011 7:51:43 GMT -5
Though the tactics may be despicable, this would probably work to protect our borders too. Put troops there and have them open fire when necessary.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 16, 2011 8:45:23 GMT -5
So, you're a denier of Jew atrocities against Palestinians and the U.N. is a bunch of anti-Semites? Does that about cover it...? Since your such a denizen on correct non inflammatory language, let me correct you on your post. The phrase of "Jew atrocities " is showing your slip so to speak, it's how anti semetics refer to those of the Jewish faith, think words like "Kike, Hebe " for example. It doesn't phase me, been there, done that, just roll my eyes and move on, and it is nice to know , especially on the air of the Internet, no eye contact, body language , where people are coming from, keeps one from wasting their time debating with sick bigots. For your information, the correct way to express your feelings is "Jewish atrocities" |
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Post by moxie on May 16, 2011 9:11:55 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on May 16, 2011 10:31:00 GMT -5
This is a excellent article [opinion piece, as most are from debka, for you Krickett,  , that shows there is so much more going on then the simple solutions put forth by some, it's middle east politics with so many players, with some of them their own brothers so to speak, Syria, Hezballah, Egypt , Hamas , trying to see who's the big boy on the block, and by their fun and games , Israel can be caught in the middle, yet the antics go beyond Palestinian and Israeli politics, they are just a side line, though in being caught out, there are casualties. ---------------------------------------------------------------- www.debka.com/article/20938/---------------------------------------------------------- Hamas wins Cairo's support Assad tried pro-Palestinian Golan stunt to foil Egypt's Hamas takeover DEBKAfile Special Report May 16, 2011, 2:52 PM (GMT+02:00) "President Bashar Assad had more than one objective in bussing thousands of demonstrators to Israel's Golan border Nakba Day, Sun. May 15. Showing how easily he and his Hizballah partner could capture a village on the Israeli side of the enclave was only one. The other was to put a spoke in Egypt's wheel for transferring Hamas' command centers from Damascus to the Gaza Strip as part of its moves for taking the Gaza Strip and its Hamas rulers under Cairo's wing against Israel. In the light of this contest, the case for renewing peace talks with the Palestinians, argued interminably between Israel's government and opposition leaders (despite the Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas's two-year refusal) has lost its relevance. The rejectionist Syria, Hizballah and Hamas are now calling the Palestinian shots, a fact which is not brought to the attention of the Israeli public. Hizballah helped Syria organize the mass infiltration of Palestinians and Syrians into the Golan while using the same civilian Palestinian mob weapon to breach the Lebanese-Israeli frontier from Maroun a-Ras. The fact is that Israel and the Palestinian Authority are adrift after losing Hosni Mubarak as their key Arab peace champion. Saudi Arabia is up to its ears building a royalist Muslim bloc to counter the Muslim lineup President Barack Obama is in the process of fashioning with Israel's foe, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan. Israel's Binyamin Netanyahu and Abbas and their international lobbies have been shunted aside as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria and Turkey bid for regional dominance. That is why Nakba Day had such little impact on the streets of the West Bank Israeli Arab towns. The main arena had shifted Israel's external borders with Syria and Lebanon with regional connotations. debkafile's military and intelligence sources disclose that, shortly between the Palestinian unity pact was signed between Fatah and Hamas on May 4, Egypt's foreign minister Nabil Elaraby and intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Murad Muwafi gave Hamas' Damascus-based leader Khaled Meshaal a guarantee: Cairo would hold Israel back from hitting the Gaza Strip in reprisal for Hamas' missile blitz, if this radical Palestinian group promised to halt all attacks on Israeli targets, whether raids on the Gaza-Israel border fence, the planting of bombs or mortar and missile cross-border fire. For the first time in the 44 years since Egyptian troops abandoned the Gaza Strip in 1967, Cairo took military responsibility for this coastal enclave against the Israeli Defense Forces, a commitment which put Israel's relations with Egypt on a new footing, very much at the expense of its military standing. That deal, rather than Israel's deterrent strength, produced the calm prevailing for the past two weeks on the Gaza-Israeli front. Systematically shunned by Mubarak, the deal was the hidden trigger which set in motion the thousands of Palestinians sent by Damascus and Hizballah to mob Israel's borders and move into the Israeli Golan Druze village of Majd al-Shams on Nakba Day. This chain of events, starting with the Fatah-Hamas pact in May, could have been averted if only a month earlier in April, Israel had taken military responsibility for its own security and destroyed Hamas' ability to shoot missiles and mortars at will into southwestern Israel. A defeated Hamas would have been less attractive to Cairo as a protégé and as the object of pursuit by rival Arab champions who exploited the vacuum created by Israel's military and diplomatic passivity and adherence to such outdated mainstays as its bygone strategic partnership with Egypt. Still, Israel's policymakers fail to grasp the relevance of the intelligence laid before them: When Gen. Muwafi promised Meshaal to separate the Gaza Strip from Israel, which Israel had supposedly executed in its 2005 withdrawal from the territory he explained that he meant a "complete cutoff" whereas Israel had not gone beyond "disengagement." Cairo has therefore undertaken not only to provide the Palestinian enclave with a military shield against Israel but also replaces Israel as the supplier of all its needs for fuel, flour, foodstuffs. Egyptian currency will replace the Israeli shekel as legal currency. The Gaza Strip is therefore reverting to its pre-1967 Egyptian military occupation with. The fundamentalist Hamas is falling under Cairo's patronage, a step which neither Damascus nor the Iran-backed Hizballah can possibly accept because it displaces their influence with the Palestinians. The failure at the top levels of Israeli government to appreciate the fallout from this contest left the IDF's Northern Command without the tools for predicting the Damascus-engineered assault on Majd al Shams. None of the officers imagined Syria would use Nabka Day to hit two targets: Israel and Egypt." |
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Post by marshabar1 on May 16, 2011 10:44:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 10:46:55 GMT -5
Good article, Dez. One thing-- it says Israel should have done something about Hamas to weaken them before Egypt started championing them. But, just imagine the fallout if Israel had done any such thing. Yes, they should have---but the anti-Israel gang would have gone ballistic, so now here we are. Any word from Obama or Clinton yet on this? I just woke up, haven't seen anything yet. I'm thinking, and fearing, that I won't. Obama needs to make up his mind where he stands. With the MB crowd, or Israel.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 16, 2011 10:54:58 GMT -5
Good article, Dez. One thing-- it says Israel should have done something about Hamas to weaken them before Egypt started championing them. But, just imagine the fallout if Israel had done any such thing. Yes, they should have---but the anti-Israel gang would have gone ballistic, so now here we are. Any word from Obama or Clinton yet on this? I just woke up, haven't seen anything yet. I'm thinking, and fearing, that I won't. Obama needs to make up his mind where he stands. With the MB crowd, or Israel. To paraphrase from "My fair lady", not sure I have it exactly correct.... "But, just imagine the fallout if Israel had done any such thing. Yes, they should have---but the anti-Israel gang would have gone ballistic" "By jove I think she's got it "...and you do, very, very good Krickett.  and a  for you , very sharp you are on picking that up. There is nothing simple , solution wise, and all hands are dirty, over in that part of the world.... |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 10:56:34 GMT -5
Wow, Marsha. Part 2 now.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 11:06:57 GMT -5
Okay, part 3 now. Can't believe they would not let this lady speak. WHY???
I am so happy to just see that Obama is coming down against Syria for the attacks on Israel this weekend. I give him credit when I think he is right.
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