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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 3:53:48 GMT -5
Ha-Ha. You guys can giggle all you want, but the info you need to back up how disgusting Obama's "safe schools czar" is right there for you to click and read. You can challenge it, insult ME for it, whatever you want, but that does not make it go away. The fact that you all defend Kevin Jennings and think he is the right man to be in charge of kids is a real sign of how far down the toilet this country has gone.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 4:08:19 GMT -5
And now more fun with gender.... seems it is now okay for little boys to wear dresses and paint their toenails pink, and some parents think this is a great idea. Not everyone agrees. Just more of the same crap-- neutralizing men and women, destroying traditional families, and causing identity damage to young children. What kind of world is it you people want to live in, any way? And how does it strengthen women to weaken men? HOW?? Why the war on childhood?? Messing with the minds of little people that have no choices is WRONG. We are supposed to guide our children-- where exactly are you guys that are fighting me on this thread trying to guide the kids to? The big picture looks real ugly to me. www.theblaze.com/stories/dr-keith-ablow-chides-cultural-efforts-to-drop-gender-identity-cues/Too long to post, since I follow the rules. Can't wait to hear your comments on this one.
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Post by Jake 48 on May 8, 2011 5:45:53 GMT -5
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Post by cereb on May 8, 2011 5:52:17 GMT -5
Dumbest full of crap article I have read this year. There ya go. Sorry, but painting a 5 year old boys toenails pink for a day in an ad to sell clothing isn't going to make the kid gay or feminize them unless they are already on that path from birth, at which point, playing with trucks and dinosaurs isn't going to make him more masculine.
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Post by cereb on May 8, 2011 5:56:53 GMT -5
AND...as far as the kid needing psychotherapy for having his toenails painted pink, well now I think that statement says far more about the "good doctor" who wrote this ridiculous article.
This article has entertainment value only, certainly nothing scholarly or scientific about it, but then again, he is a frequent FOXSNOOZE flyer isn't he? Think that says it all right there.
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Post by mmhmm on May 8, 2011 6:29:59 GMT -5
I can almost guarantee that male children at certain ages will, out of pure stubborness, insist on painting their toenails pink far more often if you forbid it than if you treat it as though it's not all that important (which it isn't).
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2011 8:16:31 GMT -5
And now more fun with gender.... seems it is now okay for little boys to wear dresses and paint their toenails pink, and some parents think this is a great idea. Not everyone agrees. Just more of the same crap-- neutralizing men and women, destroying traditional families, and causing identity damage to young children. .... God bless Eeyore, a very gender neutral character that is in touch with his feminine side. ;D
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Post by ugonow on May 8, 2011 8:48:24 GMT -5
I think the whole thing is absurd, but will throw in what I see.I see the gender bluring for women as being seen as good.A woman plays good softball,or hockey other sports she is athletic......,she is a good CEO,intelligent, bodybuilds,is in great shape, etc.All the things considered in the male realm they cross into is greeted as great.. but if a boy paints toenails,plays with Barbies, he is gay. Not judging, just stating what I see.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 9:34:47 GMT -5
Which may be one of the reasons why elevating girls does seem to in the process minimize boys at times... we are expanding opportunities for girls, but there is still push back not to allow men to 'cross over' into what Americans see as traditionally female activities...
... and it is an American problem... lets face it. Look historically and med in even the most masculine, warrior races, were also artistic and lovers of what we consider to be 'feminine' things, and many also cultivated male relationships that our homophobic culture would never stand...
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 9:35:51 GMT -5
fwiw... did you see the jon stewart response to the pink tonail hype? Golden. He ended on an Ultimate Fighting champ who... you guessed it, paints his tonails...
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2011 9:40:18 GMT -5
A book I highly recommend: Why Men Are The Way They Are WARREN FARRELL presents the book for every woman who wants to understand the men in her life--and for every man who wants to understand himself. warrenfarrell.us/ - Cached - Similar
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Post by ugonow on May 8, 2011 10:15:53 GMT -5
Why is the stay at home dad percieved as a failure and cuckold,but his wife bringing home the bacon as a strong couragous woman? We men must unite to throw off these shackles of repression and discrimination women have put on us!!!!
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Post by Tennesseer on May 8, 2011 10:51:27 GMT -5
AND...as far as the kid needing psychotherapy for having his toenails painted pink, well now I think that statement says far more about the "good doctor" who wrote this ridiculous article. This article has entertainment value only, certainly nothing scholarly or scientific about it, but then again, he is a frequent FOXSNOOZE flyer isn't he? Think that says it all right there. Painting little boys' toenails pink only leads to Goth boys painting their nails black. FACT because I said so!
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Post by ugonow on May 8, 2011 11:44:34 GMT -5
Tats on a woman can only mean one thing..... she is a sailor.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 11:45:21 GMT -5
As I said, just another attack on traditional families, male/female identities, etc. Men are already whatever they are and are now not good enough that way??? They need to be socially CHANGED?? A woman proudly says she has never bought an action figure for her son, and everyone cheers??? WHY?? That article did not discuss gay issues-- you did. This is about your average little boy, not kids that seem to be gay. Another lady shows concern that her sons are good at sports, is afraid they are stereotyped, and takes them to see female sports teams. WHY?? Is she afraid her sons may grow up to be Neanderthals because they are good at sports? Yet another woman says her son is confused with the "princess" type of birthday parties, etc, that her son is exposed to. SO-- should all little girls throw away their girl toys because some weirdos think it is confusing to boys? WHY?? Is there something WRONG with girls being girls and boys being boys?? WHY? And the Dad that is worried that his ex wife lets his son carry dolls around at age 6, and just says he wants his son to see him play ball. What gives you people the right to mess with innocent children and try to form them in to something that may be unnatural to them, just because you think so?? This is NOT allowing a boy to be gay if he seems to be gay from a young age. Not at all. This is parents ENCOURAGING their sons to NOT be "boys", as if there is something WRONG with that. But even messing with little kids natural male/female inclinations is not good enough for you. Oh, no-- you also have to belittle and insult people that do not agree with you, and just want to have normal little kids. It's not good enough that many boys do not have role models. Oh, no. Gotta ramp that up a notch and imply that not only is that perfectly fine, but being exposed to male things is actually a negative for little boys. It's absolutely freakish. Children are not toys to experiment with and try out your liberal concepts on. No wonder you guys so strongly support abortion. You have no idea what is the PC way to deal with a child if one falls in your lap.
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2011 12:07:27 GMT -5
Girls are not "naturally inclined" to paint their toenails pink. Boy are not "naturally inclined" to not.
Both genders are socialized into roles.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 12:20:27 GMT -5
So this is an anti-society movement? Makes sense that children are your targets, because they have no power against you.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 8, 2011 12:21:12 GMT -5
"No wonder you guys so strongly support abortion. You have no idea what is the PC way to deal with a child if one falls in your lap" What guys, and how does abortion enter into this discussion?
Are we back to Lib and Con AGAIN, like it has to be part of ALL discussions here. Insinuating all Libs are in favor of , and all cons are not in favor of...as if it's impossible to have different views depending on the topic , that has nothing to do with ones over all comfort level on things political.
"What gives you people the right to mess with innocent children and try to form them in to something that may be unnatural to them, just because you think so?? "
If the child is a child of the parent, they have all the right to raise that child according to their ideas of proper parenting skills and beliefs, as long as they are not abusing the child physically and mentally and giving them the support and love that the child deserves.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 12:24:19 GMT -5
For the millionth time, Dez-- this is a POLITICAL board. That means people with opposing ideas. Sure seeing less of one side here lately, though.
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2011 12:55:51 GMT -5
So this is an anti-society movement? Makes sense that children are your targets, because they have no power against you. "Traditional ... male/female identities..." are no more or less "natural male/female inclinations" than "liberal" male/female identities. They are both learned identities. They are learned through a socialization process (unless:
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 13:26:29 GMT -5
Fine. Go dress your son up in girl clothes, buy him some barbies, and paint his toenails pink. Then when he hits school and discovers that other boys won't play with him because he wears dresses you can change the whole school, right?? Oh, wait, you guys are already trying to do that, aren't you? Or, wait, will you just do that at home,then tell him that he has to dress like and act like a boy at school?? Might be a bit confusing for the little boy to find out that what he was taught is normal does not work out so well on the playground?? So ALL the kids need to change because you are doing some social experiment in your family. Have I got it??
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Post by mmhmm on May 8, 2011 13:29:58 GMT -5
Not only have you not "got it", krickitt, you're not even close.
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Post by mmhmm on May 8, 2011 13:32:04 GMT -5
I always remember chuckling to myself when I found out Rosey Greer loved to crochet (or, maybe knit ... don't remember for sure). My father always loved to sew. Mother hated it. Daddy loved to cook. Mother hated it. Somehow, my father managed to avoid becoming a woman for 83 years, and mother has avoided becoming a man for going on 90 years. They must be magic, or something!
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Post by deziloooooo on May 8, 2011 13:44:23 GMT -5
For the millionth time, Dez-- this is a POLITICAL board. That means people with opposing ideas. Sure seeing less of one side here lately, though. If so, then they may have lost interest, and why is it so important to even count #'s, ones ideas are ones ideas unless karmalitist is the thing that is looked forward to , just posting them for what ever reason, just to make a splash even if there is no water in the pool, no reason for them.
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Post by mmhmm on May 8, 2011 13:47:54 GMT -5
So this is an anti-society movement? Makes sense that children are your targets, because they have no power against you. Your children have more power over you than anyone else could possibly have, as I see it. My kids mean more to me than anyone else; always have, and always will. That gives them a pot-load of power over me. There isn't anything I wouldn't do for them.
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Post by mmhmm on May 8, 2011 13:50:49 GMT -5
what gives you the right to mess with how these parents are choosing to raise their children? Heh. I'd see demanding a little boy take off mama's high heels because he's a boy as a lot more controlling than chuckling with him as he totters around on them. If you make a big, ugly thing out of it, he'll believe he's done a big, ugly thing ... when, in fact, he's only playing and doesn't have the nasty, aberrant thoughts that judging adults have.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 13:53:09 GMT -5
Proved my point, mmhmm. Men are what they are. There ARE differences between men and women. GOOD differences. I'm sure your grandparents did not try to socially engineer your parents. So why should it be done now? Is there some huge movement for men that like to sew and cook to come out of the closet?? Are they oppressed? Discriminated against?? Where?? My sons were raised as boys and they cook, clean, change diapers, plus they work out, play sports, support their kid, play poker and get drunk with their friends on Friday night. I raised my daughters as girls, and they are able to support themselves, were GREAT in sports, can hold their own against any man unless it is strength related, and they also cook, clean, change diapers. Where is this huge NEED to change men and women? To liberate them?? Are they imprisoned by society somehow? Where??
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Post by mmhmm on May 8, 2011 13:59:03 GMT -5
No, krickitt, nothing I said proved your point. A parent isn't going to create a gay person by allowing that person to experiment with objects, or behaviors of the opposite gender. That's a foolish notion and one to which no attention should be paid. Nobody is trying to change anyone ... except those who would assume the little boy with pink toenails is gay!
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