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Post by deziloooooo on May 7, 2011 12:57:33 GMT -5
Interesting, ugo. And it does say most grants for these stupid studies come from gov't. I once drove a visiting prof whose area of expertise was the study of the sleep habits of fruit flies. When I asked her what that could help us with she said some things that really said very little. Possible, but then again, made a lot of sense but you just didn't understand the explanation?
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Post by billisonboard on May 7, 2011 13:06:28 GMT -5
No, bill, to your whistling when I called Eeyore a him.. ;D Here is your exact posting: God bless Eeyore, a very gender neutral character that is in touch with his feminine side. ;D
The gender neutral pronoun is "it". By using "his", you counter your indication of "a very neutral character".
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 13:09:59 GMT -5
Sure, Dez. Very important to study the gender identities of cartoons when the country is BROKE!!!
Call me silly but I prefer money go to medical research and things like that rather than cartoon studies when there is very little money to be spent. What could this study really do, aside from making certain groups of women feel more victimized than they already do?
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Post by billisonboard on May 7, 2011 13:11:28 GMT -5
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Post by cereb on May 7, 2011 13:57:03 GMT -5
Wow. A sociology professor did a study in which the subject matter falls under...sociology.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 7, 2011 14:36:44 GMT -5
Sure, Dez. Very important to study the gender identities of cartoons when the country is BROKE!!! Call me silly but I prefer money go to medical research and things like that rather than cartoon studies when there is very little money to be spent. What could this study really do, aside from making certain groups of women feel more victimized than they already do? Your picking on one study, not sure of which one , not paying that close attention to this thread, but as you usual do pick one out of so many and play it to death like that is what everything is about. It's not the way things are but in your way of thinking thats how you argue your ideas. When paying attention we went from a Sociologist on a study that to me seemed to be done with in her field that would be informative, yet you had a poblem with it, Then something to do with fruit flies and I suggested her explanation might not have been understood by you, don't feel sleighted or dissed, possible not understood by me either , but not saying her study was not important, just don't know , but in your mind as always, whether you understand or not, you are correct and all others wrong. To me your arguments are just more yadda, yadda, blah, blah with little thought given to what you are posting, just constant complaints about everything, crying of being picked on by every body unlesss they are in agreement with your ideas, gets old fast. IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 14:46:33 GMT -5
Well, I see a few things on this thread... lack of a sense of humor... judgments on my character by someone that admits they have not followed the thread, attempt to control board content..... and quite a few people having a good time over this silly study on stuffed animals.
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Post by billisonboard on May 7, 2011 14:48:02 GMT -5
.... . and quite a few people having a good time over this silly study on stuffed animals. The study that you started this thread with had nothing to do with stuffed animals.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 14:51:18 GMT -5
Good grief.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 7, 2011 14:56:21 GMT -5
Well, I see a few things on this thread... lack of a sense of humor... judgments on my character by someone that admits they have not followed the thread, attempt to control board content..... and quite a few people having a good time over this silly study on stuffed animals. I have followed it well enough, just missed the one regarding cartoon charecters, will correct that now.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 7, 2011 15:02:18 GMT -5
Read her bio- I posted it. No WAY that woman is a conservative. And if she did this on her own time she has bigger problems than meet the eye. Your opinion , I am sure she would disagree, also have a few choice words for you and are you sure she is not a conservative, possible a link, blood test, body scan?
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Post by deziloooooo on May 7, 2011 15:15:00 GMT -5
Ok , reread all of em, up to date and realized was up to date, phew, tough being always aware, lots of work. ' Had a thought, a little one of course.
Why would this information be important to have, the gender of , in fiction, to say, a average new parent with children , who they will start early reading to, then with , then naturally, hopefully, they have fallen in love with , the written word, reading , and do it on their own, for the rest of their lives.
Both my kids families, two kids each, were read to every night and then as they started to read , together and now they are besides big into their activities, sports, stuff, they are voracious readers, nothing going on, nose buried in a book
Parents of course early picked the books , trying for interest, amusing , entertainment , pictures, graphics, and now knowing this information, possible would make sure if there were some books specifying gender , they would be aware and might make sure they were also specifically picked for that reason to educate those differences, good bad , indifferent.
In other words, all these studies , not all will lead to a new discovery like splitting the Atom , on that level, but if they lead to knowledge , the gaining of, what more can one ask? What is so wrong about knowledge, the gaining of? Put a price tag on it, is it worth it, is it not and who decides?
My thoughts on it.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 16:09:05 GMT -5
"She also did not deny that female characters exist. I am sure she is familiar with "Nancy Drew" and "National Velvet." Please note however, that "The Hardy Boys" also existed and that "Nancy Drew was created primarily for a girl audience. In terms of mixed gender readers, girls are likely to read stories with boys as heroes, but boys don't return the favor. That is why commercially it makes sense to have literature feature more males"
Maximum Ride - Female lead, Tomorrow when the war began- Female lead, Hunger Games- Female lead.... This might have been true when Nancy Drew first made the scene, but it is NOT true today... and while i like good, strong female characters, i do not want them to take over so that we never have any strong male leads either...
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on May 7, 2011 17:16:33 GMT -5
While more cartoon characters may be boys, aren't more dolls girls? (Except for Ken and GI Joes, of course)
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on May 7, 2011 17:24:58 GMT -5
Ahh, gotcha.
You know, when I think back to the books I loved as a child (Little Women, Little House on the Prairie series, Anne of Green Gables, Nancy Drew) ~ I'd have to say that they all had a lot of strong female characters.... then again, Tom Sawyer, Treasure Island, Where the Red Fern Grows ~ all had a lot of male characters.
I would think that parents (and teachers and librarians, for that matter) could help steer kids towards books focusing on both male and female characters.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 17:29:15 GMT -5
Here is the actual study tough... and first it looks primarily at young childrens books, it appears, and i am a bit off of that, but you see when you look at the actual figures (there are good graphs on page 217 that show we actually have been moving quite well towards parity in everything but animal gender in storybooks... Sorry I don't see how an animal's gender is going to be so significant? www.fsu.edu/~soc/people/mccabe/McCabeEtAl_GenderSociety_April2011.pdfBut i have to say it is a REAL problem, i find, to find 10-14 year old BOY reading material. All of those i mentioned earlier are books my son has read in the last year or so.... and all have lead strong female characters... yes there are boys in them too, and yes there is Percy Jackson and Harry Potter and Septimus Heap, so maybe i shouldn't complain, and some of the more traditional boy centered characters, but when it comes to newer series, I do think strong female leads are taking over somewhat in that age range... Maybe its just me... I find it MUCH more difficult to find fiction geared towards my son than towards my daughter...
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 17:31:11 GMT -5
Maximum Ride is NOT geared towards adults... it is tweeny stuff... I guess its technical classification might be YA, or 7th grade +, but most of the kids i know who have read it are 10-14...
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 18:47:35 GMT -5
I agree, oped, and as a parent of both, I found it more challenging in general to get my boys to read, what with video games, sports, etc. My girls played sports and stuff, too, but were much more likely than the boys to read a book.
I seem to have offended some here, but, sorry, I just do not think reading little gay penguin books or anything of the sort is more beneficial to kids than reading all the other books available for kids to read. If parents want to add those to their kid libraries, that's fine, but IMO there is nothing wrong with most children's books unless someone with a cause wants to pick at them and find it. Kid movies??? I've seen every kid movie released from about 1978 when my oldest was 2 until about 6-7 years ago when all my kids were too old for kid movies. So-- when I had a boyfriend last year with a 6 YO daughter that was with us every weekend I started getting caught up on kid movies. Boy was I surprised that hardly any movies were just for fun and imagination and instead have social messages.
Global warming is a big theme, I saw. When I pointed it out to my boyfriend he had not really noticed, but he was WAY younger than me and his public school education came much later than mine. We were a lot alike but it was more than just a generation gap that separated us, it was a whole different way of seeing things that came between us.
I guess he was more modern than me, but he was certainly not as hopeful as I am about possibilities. Actually he seemed to have just accepted that the world is a hopeless mess, and would never be better. He was VERY PC in all things, so PC it broke us up in the end as an irreconcilable difference about what is acceptable in a relationship and what is not. He didn't like Obama, either, but I could see how the whole hope and change thing could penetrate the new group think he was firmly entrenched in as the parent of a small child and the product of a PC education.
He's a good guy, but if his mindset is what is modern and liberal you can have it. And his little girl?? Forget it. Her mind is already so full of doom and gloom from PC children's movies and modern kid themes she was sad a lot, too. She would actually CRY because she thought all the animals are going to die because the earth is so dirty and there was just no convincing her that everything is okay.
I'm SO glad I am not raising little kids now. If I was I would home school. Why do little kids NEED to be taught things that confuse them and make them sad?? There's nothing wrong with Winnie the Pooh or any of that, and I am glad my daughter is old fashioned that way in raising her daughter. Sure, we have all the new PC kid movies and toys, but we also have all the old classics, and my granddaughter seems to prefer those, actually. There really is no reason to drive kids nuts trying to teach them about a world that is WAY above their maturity level to understand OR their need to know. Just let them be kids.
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Post by Opti on May 7, 2011 19:39:21 GMT -5
I really don't understand the big issue with PC unless of course its taken to excess and everyone's line is probably different. I am generally fair and kind so I am missing what the big deal is unless of course one wants to put people in familiar categories or boxes and perhaps feel superior? I found one person's definition of PC on urban dictionary funny in a sad way that explains to me why some people hate politically correct language. The idealogy of weird left wing liberals who want society to be nothing but accepting of all perverts and freaks everywhere. The main basis is not to offend anyone with one little incorrect word. Jamal was offended by me calling him a perverted gay fairy black boy all stung out on crack. The politically correct thing to say would be that Jamal is leading an acceptable alternative lifestyle as an african-american homosexual who has the disease of drug addiction.
Being who I am I'd be only wanting Jamal to get off drugs so I'd handle the above quite differently. "Jamal, you are addicted to drugs are you planning to do anything about it?" Simple, to the point. If you live to put people down, I can see how keeping it simple and on topic it might mess with your self worth.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 19:43:30 GMT -5
? Do you mean gay is above their maturity level? My kids know about that sometimes men fall in love with men and women fall in love with women.... it hasn't messed them up that i can see... ?
Or did you mean like environmental stuff, like Fern Gully? ... I do think its best to focus on problems as solvable...
I do think the PC ness of movies can go overboard... have to say though, i sometimes wonder about Wall-E... when i see the kids sitting next to each other, playing a game 'together' each plugged into their own ds...
I thought the new Beezus and Ramona movie was really well done...
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Post by cme1201 on May 7, 2011 19:46:01 GMT -5
The Barbie franchise does a great job of providing positive images to young girls (no I am not talking about the "dimensions" of the body) there retelling of the Three Musketeer's was very clever, Beauty and the Beast tells the story of an extremely strong woman who saves her man, etc.
It really is in the telling of the story and not what's twixt you neithers. Accentuate the positive and it becomes gender neutral.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 19:50:37 GMT -5
The problem with PC is that there are people that have made it their mission to determine what is PC and force it on others. I would deal with Jamal the same as you did. I also would not allow him the luxury of wallowing in his childhood or gayness as an excuse for his drug addiction. Enabling addicts leads to dead addicts. That is why a layman's group of AA, CA, NA can work where drugs and therapists can fail, unless they are specifically trained in addiction and hopefully in recovery themselves. Even so-- a group of recovering peers on a daily basis for a long time is an addict's best bet to survive.
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Post by Opti on May 7, 2011 19:51:39 GMT -5
Correct, bill. I should probably be permanently banned for correct assessment of a really stupid study done by a tax payer funded employee. Nah, just slightly whipped for incorrectly assessing the nature of the study and not explaining why measuring gender bias in children's reading materials is such a horrible thing. Hard to know how much tax payer funding if any was directed to this study reading the link from Fox. Yes its a state school so some of her salary was funded by the state of Florida but how much we don't know. Unlikely in this case, but in engineering I've seen a few teaching positions funded totally by endowments from alumni or corporations and some partially funded that way. Just like the professor was determining the size and scope of issue she was studying I find it hard to be concerned about the taxpayer funds because we have no idea how much it is. And its going to be small money compared to what Krickitt would prefer to fund. To do her study if it were funded would mostly be for her time. A medical study, even a small research one would involve multiple people and equipment costs at the minimum. More than double easy.
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Post by Opti on May 7, 2011 19:57:16 GMT -5
"The problem with PC is that there are people that have made it their mission to determine what is PC and force it on others."
Isn't that a problem with almost everything on the planet? There are always people who want you to only do it their way, so what? I don't think the concept is to blame, just the extremists.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 20:02:46 GMT -5
I never had to teach my kids anything gay because I taught them young that all people are equal unless they are bad people, and everyone of them ended up straight with at least one gay friend and a variety of color friends. IMO a parent's attitude towards people is the most important thing a kid will learn about how to treat others. I used the example of the gay book to point out that it could be added if a parent wanted to, but no need to substitute great kid books for a PC approved kid reading list-- some of which I would not bring in to my home. Don't even ask about that because every time I even post a link to the gov't approved reading list for kids I either get banned or in trouble-- yes, it is too racy for this board.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 20:05:45 GMT -5
Agreed on PC extremists, optimist. ALL extremists, truth be told. Very annoying, and sometimes dangerous with their words.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 20:07:22 GMT -5
I'm actually curious as to what you wouldn't bring into your home? I'm always interested in that kind of stuff...
Do you have a link to the govt approved reading list for kids? Is there such a thing?
I homeschool with a lot of religiously conservative people, and i know some of them will not read Harry Potter, for instance.
I don't know that i 'teach gay'... unless you mean what gay means?
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