"corrective rape" does it work?

[steff]

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[❤ mollymouser ❤]

I support the swift prosecution and severe punishment for rapists and murderers.

[steff]

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[❤ mollymouser ❤]

I think rape is pretty clearly defined in the penal codes of the various states. It's VERY specifically defined in the California Penal Code ~ and I'm aware of no plans pending to change that definition. (Of course, I'm making assumption about the rest of the states.)

[Politically_Incorrect12]

May 6, 2011 15:43:49 GMT -5 steff said:

with the Republican attacks on women and gays....it's just a matter of time before they turn away and ignore "corrective" rapes.... and only ask "was it really rape as we now define rape?"

[fairlycrazy23]

I vote never.

[cme1201]

May 6, 2011 15:43:49 GMT -5 steff said:

with the Republican attacks on women and gays....it's just a matter of time before they turn away and ignore "corrective" rapes.... and only ask "was it really rape as we now define rape?"

Hyperbole much?

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How long before the Republicans support this?

Steff if the Republicans support this action would you then become a Republican? I'm betting you would.

[steff]

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[steff]

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[mmhmm]

I can't see this happening in this country as anything other than a few incidents perpetrated by criminal idiots. While we may not meet all our ideals, we've certainly got more class, and more good sense than that, for the most part. It's my guess these perps were not the average for South African citizens, either.

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May 6, 2011 16:48:16 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

How long before the Republicans support this?

Steff if the Republicans support this action would you then become a Republican? I'm betting you would.

That really wasn't necessary, oldtex. Steff has said nothing that would lead one to believe she'd condone this sort of behavior. While I may not see this as a potential problem in this country, it did happen and it was reprehensible. To accuse steff of supporting it is also reprehensible.

[steff]

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[Phoenix84]

So you're blaming republicans for what some thugs did in South Africa?

I don't see the connection.

Anyway, to answer your question, I don't see republicans ever supporting rape and murder. And republicans haven't attacked women or gays.

I take it you're talking about the recent bill that wil restrict public money for abortions, how is that an attack on women? All they want to do is take away a woman's right to murder her baby with taxpayer funds and instead forces her to take responsibility for her actions.

And this country could use more personal responsibility if you ask me.

[Virgil Showlion]

a crime where men attack lesbians in an attempt to reverse their sexual orientation

Like the crime where men rob banks in an "attempt to disperse the funds among the needy people".

Dig a pit. Throw 'em in. Cement it over when it's full.

For my edification, Ms. Steff, do you place any real credence in your chosen thread title? More specifically, would you endorse the statement: "I consider it very likely that 5 or more percent of Republican voters would endorse 'corrective rape' as a means of reducing homosexuality in American society."

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

May 6, 2011 16:52:04 GMT -5 steff said:

May 6, 2011 15:45:48 GMT -5 ❤ mollymouser ❤ said:

I think rape is pretty clearly defined in the penal codes of the various states. It's VERY specifically defined in the California Penal Code ~ and I'm aware of no plans pending to change that definition. (Of course, I'm making assumption about the rest of the states.)

Then why do the Republicans keep introducing bills that 'redefine rape'?

I don't know. Perhaps they are expanding the definition of rape, or changing the sentences, or adding in provisions about DNA evidence or clarifying statutory rape situations. I would need to see the specific bills and reports attached to know the intent by the drafter of the bills. Are these federal bills, or state laws? (After all rape is primarily considered a state crime, rather than a federal one.)

[steff]

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[❤ mollymouser ❤]

I think rape should be defined by the states, and not the federal government.

[steff]

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Then you would be losing that bet.... as a rape victim things such as this are beyond repulsive.... trying to redefine rape and attacking the LEGAL right to choose.... all ways to degrade women and keep them "in their place". I in NO way support anything or anyone or any party that thinks that way....

You feel that way YET you will malign around half the country by starting your thread like this?

How long before the Republicans support this?
A 24-year-old who was stabbed to death in South Africa is the victim of "corrective rape," gay rights activists said Thursday, a crime where men attack lesbians in an attempt to reverse their sexual orientation.
Noxolo Nogwaza was attacked late last month after dropping off her girlfriend in Kwa-Thema township near Johannesburg.
She was raped, stabbed with broken glass several times and her face pummelled with rocks, Human Rights Watch said.
"A beer bottle, a large rock and used condoms were found on and near her body," the rights group said.

I think you went a LOT overboard!!!!!!!! (That's why I said what I said because I didn't think it was funny).

[steff]

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[workpublic]

aren't the kennedys already supportin it? i'm sure defining "forcible" rape takes the date rape out of the picture.

at least the idiot frat boy bushes had a modicum of respect for women

hmm. let's see who's another famous female non respecter, oh yea thats' right the sec of states husband.

all good repubs

warsaw want to chime in? defend the kenndys and clinton, blame it on fox

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Enough of this. There IS no forcible rape issue in the bill. As I posted several times on the thread about this topic-- here is the very simple Q&A about HR3.
www.nrlc.org/AHC/HR3QuestionsAndAnswers.pdf

I will be right back with the full text of the bill as written and passed.

[Deleted]

Full text of HR3.

www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3/text

[steff]

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[Deleted]

It is NOT there, and you are talking as if it is. I can't deny that fact.

[steff]

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[chiver78]

krickitt, it's not there now, in the revision that was passed. I posted a similar link in Lakhota's thread. you may want to consider your use of a link from the National Right to Life website in defending anything you have to say on this topic. just saying....

that said, the Republicans did try to get it passed with that language in place. shame on them.

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