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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 21:31:38 GMT -5
The federal government DOES NOT PAY for elective abortions... the HYDE ammendmen has prevented it since 1970s... In the past decade, between 109 and 219 abortions per year have been paid for with fed funds... for cases of health of the mother, incest or rape... (generally around 150 or so...) ...
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 21:31:55 GMT -5
That's where he accused me (a Republican) of doing EXACTLY the same action as YOU said was reprehensible & it pissed me OFF LOL, how's it feel Mr. Call People Socialists? Well, I don't get mad because when someone pulls out the socialist card; their uninformed opinion doesn't matter enough to get mad over. Anyways, hopefully you'll learn something from this experience.Actually your right Mkitty, it's not exactly socialism (just a bastardized form of it). Definition below: A primary goal of socialism is social equality and a distribution of wealth based on one's contribution to society, and an economic arrangement that would serve the interests of society as a wholeDims just want to redistribute the wealth from those that work & have money to those that don't. But robbing one bunch of people to give to another bunch of people (even if they don't contribute to society) is close enough to socialism as far as I'm concerned. Of course if you want I can just call it robbery.
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Post by chiver78 on May 8, 2011 21:34:24 GMT -5
That's where he accused me (a Republican) of doing EXACTLY the same action as YOU said was reprehensible & it pissed me OFF LOL, how's it feel Mr. Call People Socialists? Well, I don't get mad because when someone pulls out the socialist card; their uninformed opinion doesn't matter enough to get mad over. Anyways, hopefully you'll learn something from this experience.Actually your right Mkitty, it's not exactly socialism (just a bastardized form of it). Definition below: A primary goal of socialism is social equality and a distribution of wealth based on one's contribution to society, and an economic arrangement that would serve the interests of society as a wholeDims just want to redistribute the wealth from those that work & have money to those that don't. But robbing one bunch of people to give to another bunch of people (even if they don't contribute to society) is close enough to socialism as far as I'm concerned. Of course if you want I can just call it robbery. Dims....isn't that a variant of the "Dem troll" that moonbeam requested not be used? just checking....I've seen you post that a few times this weekend, so it can't just be a typo.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 21:36:15 GMT -5
Right... cause if you don't make 250K ... you don't work.
Socialism is production owned by the state, and says each citizen gives by their ability, each takes equally from the pot. We do not have socialism... not with the type of consentrated income and wealth we have in this country... nothing close. I can't speak for all, but what i support is minimal redistribution as is necessary to maintain a middle class and minimize the class gap... since a democratic republic cannot exist with such a gap, and if redistribution is not done peacibly, it will eventually be done by revolution and force. History shows us though, that it will happen.
I feel that in an industrialize, first world country, we should be able to maintain a minimal level of subsistance... and having such a social safety net helps to maintain our union. It is, however, in no way, even remotely, close to socialism...
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Post by ed1066 on May 8, 2011 22:10:47 GMT -5
This is already a common practice among fundamentalist muslims, but I have a feeling that doesn't bother you, right? What a joke...
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Post by ameiko on May 8, 2011 22:14:30 GMT -5
The federal government DOES NOT PAY for elective abortions... the HYDE ammendmen has prevented it since 1970s... In the past decade, between 109 and 219 abortions per year have been paid for with fed funds... for cases of health of the mother, incest or rape... (generally around 150 or so...) ... Of course the federal government does if simply not directly. Every dollar Planned Parenthood gets from the government to go to non abortion expenses frees up a dollar that it CAN put towards abortion expenses. Not hard at all to understand. Really, so simple even a liberal can understand it. Besides, I read the Constitution: didn't see anything there authorizing them to fund anything like a Planned Parenthood. If the liberals don't like it well... GIVE PLANNED PARENTHOOD YOUR OWN DAMN MONEY!!!! *cough cough* Wow, vocal cords strained now.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 22:15:56 GMT -5
PP BILLS for abortion services. They charge the indivdiual, or the individual's insurance. They DO NOT give free abortions. The bill for the abortion, funds the abortion.
Not hard at all to understand really...
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 11:55:14 GMT -5
Socialism is production owned by the state, and says each citizen gives by their ability, each takes equally from the pot. We do not have socialism...
The goal of socialism is to make everybody equal by taking money from some & giving it to others thus making people "equal". However you do it if that's your goal then your a socialist. Oped, why even split hair about it? Even the people in your party are starting to use the socialist term. Don't be the last to convert over, switch now & be proud to be a socialist.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 11:58:43 GMT -5
Dims....isn't that a variant of the "Dem troll" that moonbeam requested not be used? just checking....I've seen you post that a few times this weekend, so it can't just be a typo.Chiver78, glad you noticed. I switched to using Dims about 2 months after the liberals switched to calling conservatives pubs (which I find objectionable). Pubs is in no way an excepted shortened version of Republican so if they can create a term for me I can create one for them.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:11:15 GMT -5
Chiver78, I thought about it & using Dims could be inflamatory. Thanks for pointing it out. From now on I'll use crats, hows that, better?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:17:31 GMT -5
Medicaid is about 90% fed, 10% state money, and is administered by the states. Medicaid pays for abortion under Hyde, minimum of rape and incest. Some states, like AZ, include health of mother, up to and including mental and emotional health. PP does Medicaid abortions under Hyde.
Gov't pays for abortions. Period.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:19:48 GMT -5
Socialism is production owned by the state, and says each citizen gives by their ability, each takes equally from the pot. We do not have socialism... The goal of socialism is to make everybody equal by taking money from some & giving it to others thus making people "equal". However you do it if that's your goal then your a socialist. Oped, why even split hair about it? Even the people in your party are starting to use the socialist term. Don't be the last to convert over, switch now & be proud to be a socialist. There is NO goal in our country to make everyone equal. The goal is a minimal subsistance level... particularly for children and the elderly. I would never use that term to describe what we have or what i believe in. It's inaccurate. Who is it that is saying that?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:20:26 GMT -5
Medicaid is about 90% fed, 10% state money, and is administered by the states. Medicaid pays for abortion under Hyde, minimum of rape and incest. Some states, like AZ, include health of mother, up to and including mental and emotional health. PP does Medicaid abortions under Hyde. Gov't pays for abortions. Period. Government does NOT PAY FOR ELECTIVE abortions...
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:27:13 GMT -5
It sure does, in some states like mine. Physical and mental health of the mother includes being stressed out and felling like you can't cope if you do not kill the kid. All my links are on the SECOND abortion thread that has been running front page for days now, as well as all my links to get free abortions nationally and internationally from money donated to women's activist groups. As WELL as my links to complete preventative health care for women, including paps, mammos, birth control, STD testing, WIC-- everything you want-- FREE, through your county health dept.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:42:14 GMT -5
"as all my links to get free abortions nationally and internationally from money donated to women's activist groups. " How is that 'government pays for'... Health of the mother is NOT elective... I know, I know... you'd like to serve on the panel that determines if a woman is REALLY ill... (or REALLY raped... etc.) ... but the fact is that maternal health is NOT elective..
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:47:37 GMT -5
Thx for proving my point, oped. AS I SAID, I have posted NUMEROUS links to FREE abortions paid for by people like you. NOT tax money. So-- use them, and leave tax money out of it.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:50:57 GMT -5
One more time Krick... NO ONE HAS SAID THAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD PAY FOR ELECTIVE ABORTIONS.... the government currently DOES NOT PAY for elective abortions... So there is NO NEED to CHANGE the law...
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:55:12 GMT -5
There sure IS. You guys thought the loopholes in Obamacare would not be caught with that 3000+ page monstrosity that is not funded by the same funds that fund Medicaid, which is limited on tax payer funded abortion by Hyde, but they were. Too bad. You can write a 3000 page bill, but SOME people WILL read the bill.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 9, 2011 13:02:42 GMT -5
TROLL POST
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Post by chiver78 on May 9, 2011 13:09:01 GMT -5
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Post by floridayankee on May 9, 2011 14:20:14 GMT -5
How long before the Republicans support this? Steff if the Republicans support this action would you then become a Republican? I'm betting you would. That really wasn't necessary, oldtex. Steff has said nothing that would lead one to believe she'd condone this sort of behavior. While I may not see this as a potential problem in this country, it did happen and it was reprehensible. To accuse steff of supporting it is also reprehensible. But to ask when repubs will support "corrective rape" is? I think I've become dumber simply for reading this far in to the thread. Good lord, what an asinine question.....Have fun pissing on each other's shoes kiddies.
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 9, 2011 14:35:35 GMT -5
warsaw want to chime in? defend the kenndys and clinton, blame it on fox
I heard that Bill ordered an immediate upgrade to the "warsaw" inference engine as the program apparently has been posting undecipherable garbage lately after a good initial trial run. Still pretty amazing work though in my opinion.
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Post by jarhead1976 on May 9, 2011 14:54:25 GMT -5
Many a male has been raped Steff. Are you sexist? "About 3% of American men – a total of 2.78 million men – have experienced a rape ". Many do not report such incidents. The humiliation and damage is no less, Republican or Democrat, Male or Female, The perpetrator should be jailed for life with no chance of parole.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 15:26:22 GMT -5
Why, Dem?? Have you got some kind of problem with us Pubs raping gay people then forcing them to have babies??
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Post by Opti on May 9, 2011 15:30:04 GMT -5
Dem, I somewhat wish it had been locked or the title changed to something realistic instead of baiting.
Sigh.
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Post by jarhead1976 on May 9, 2011 15:36:01 GMT -5
Dem, I somewhat wish it had been locked or the title changed to something realistic instead of baiting. Sigh. I say let it be. Ignorance is not always so bliss.
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Post by Opti on May 9, 2011 15:43:31 GMT -5
Thank-you for changing the title steff.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 15:44:24 GMT -5
There is NO goal in our country to make everyone equal. The goal is a minimal subsistence level... particularly for children and the elderly.
I would never use that term to describe what we have or what i believe in. It's inaccurate. Who is it that is saying that?
The whole point here is that Republicans believe that each person is responsible for supporting themselves. Srats (new name for democrats) believe that people with money should be forced (thru taxes) to pay part of their money in a massive funds redistribution program so that everybody is on a more level playing field. Republicans also believe that by doing that it robs the poor people from the incentives to earn more money & do better in life. I believe that's true too. As for who is saying the "socialist" word, one of your srats party members was quoted as saying it & also a liberal talk radio show host (& me of course) not to long ago. Now you can argue that taking money from one person & giving it to another isn't basically socialism. I understand why that word bothers you. I would point out however that you can also argue that pink isn't pink & say that it's raspberry. You just have to understand that a lot of other people are going to argue that it's pink.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 9, 2011 15:46:38 GMT -5
It wasn't that long ago that actions , if not as extreme , though possible in some cases , were common here too. A person complaining to authorities of attack would not be treated by authorities correctly and if a similar crime was reported, it's not with out cause that thinking a reply by said authority might have been a similar response.
Some here have mentioned that they are not into political correct , but it is because of new ideas of what is PC and rights for all, no matter who, that such actions if they occur, and I am sure they still do, are so much fewer with more of the general populace siding with the victim and demanding justice and punishment for those who commit these crimes and outrages on the innocents. The authorities too, because of more fellow officers being open about their sexual preference, education of, and close supervision and accountability by superiors , that a fairer hearing is given to these complaints, not being tolerated and longer, and if they are , then there are repressions that will be faced.
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