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Post by formerexpat on May 6, 2011 20:45:12 GMT -5
Really - what happens in some states when an 18 year old sleeps with his 16 year old girlfriend consensually? Or, this specific story in Georgia - sports.espn.go.com/sports/news/story?id=1794781There is intelligent discussion to have about this topic but you clearly do not want to have that conversation by the way you started the thread.
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Post by formerexpat on May 6, 2011 21:08:23 GMT -5
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Post by marshabar1 on May 6, 2011 21:08:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 21:20:44 GMT -5
but I will say with all the Republican bills that are blatantly against women & women's rights, there's starting to be little difference between them and the Muslims they rail against. Forceable rape? seriously that is VERY close to holding the victim responsible as the guilty one and only a hop skip and a jump away from stoning them for daring to become a victim of a violent crime.
Your hop skip & jump is a hell of a lot closer than mine is. The issue is who is paying for something & it's that simple. If fair is fair, shouldn't men get an equal amount spent on them (maybe for beer, doesn't the POOR have a right to drink beer)? Push that thru congress & maybe the Dims can buy a few more votes.
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Post by chiver78 on May 6, 2011 21:25:23 GMT -5
but I will say with all the Republican bills that are blatantly against women & women's rights, there's starting to be little difference between them and the Muslims they rail against. Forceable rape? seriously that is VERY close to holding the victim responsible as the guilty one and only a hop skip and a jump away from stoning them for daring to become a victim of a violent crime. Your hop skip & jump is a hell of a lot closer than mine is. The issue is who is paying for something & it's that simple. If fair is fair, shouldn't men get an equal amount spent on them (maybe for beer, doesn't the POOR have a right to drink beer)? Push that thru congress & maybe the Dims can buy a few more votes. what? you can't really think that it's as important for men to get beer as it is for a rape victim - male or female - to have their assailant captured, prosecuted, and punished? wow....I thought better of you than this.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 21:39:21 GMT -5
what? you can't really think that it's as important for men to get beer as it is for a rape victim - male or female - to have their assailant captured, prosecuted, and punished?
wow....I thought better of you than this.
GOOD TRY chiver78 but I SAID shouldn't an equal amount of money be spent on MEN (men don't get abortions so therefor there is no equality). Then I said they could spend it on beer & buy more votes. I never said anything even close to the above statement. Also the discussion wasn't about capturing, prosecuting, or punishing anyone. It was about the government paying for abortions. But we can change it around if it helps to get my point across. How's this:
The government won't pay for me a bass boat soo (by Steff logic) they have forbidden me to fish. Right? (Of course my solution would be for me to buy my own bass boat but that's just a conservatives way of looking on it.
I'll say it again. It's not the governments job to get into this.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 21:42:23 GMT -5
I should also add this. I don't care one way or another about abortions. I believe in personal choice on most things including this. I just don't thing the government should be paying for them. Nor do I believe in Obamacare or a national healthcare.
Oh & the beer comment was a reference to Dims starting social programs & making people obligated to the programs so that they will vote Dim to continue the programs. (IE buying votes).
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Post by chiver78 on May 6, 2011 21:49:40 GMT -5
you replied to steff's comment about bringing rape victims into the stone age of equality, steff's comment that "seriously that is VERY close to holding the victim responsible as the guilty one and only a hop skip and a jump away from stoning them for daring to become a victim of a violent crime. "
I don't think I was reading your response incorrectly. if so, my apologies and please explain. otherwise, I stand by my original post.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on May 7, 2011 1:05:35 GMT -5
When men can get pregnant, they can have abortions. When men can carry a baby for nine months they can complain. Did you get the hint yet that until these things can somehow happen, there can't be equality? Are boys made the same as girls? More Conservative "I want things equal and fair when it benefits me, but if it doesn't, then I don't care how unequal it is."
So you'd rather pay thousands more for welfare? Even hear of penny wise and pound foolish?
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Post by Phoenix84 on May 7, 2011 1:48:37 GMT -5
OldTex makes a good point. If women should have the freedom to have the taxpayers fund their abortions, why shouldn't the government pay for prostate exams? Why should I have to pay for my own eyeglasses or contacts, or for my dentist appointmen. The government is attacking my freedoms and hates men because I can't get them to pay for my prostate exam or pay for my healthcare. Why can't we take it even farther and demand they give us bass fishing boats, the government must hate us for not buying everyone boats.
But this whole thread is pointless. There's no arguing with liberals like steff and chiver. Liberals base their "arguments" on emotion and anger, not logic or facts. Somehow some thugs attacking a lesbian in South Africa somehow reflects on Republicans here in the U.S and their desire to get women to pay for their own abortions. And they want to get woman to fund their own abortions is not because it's outside the scope of the constitution or because it encourages personal responsiblity, no, it's because republicans hate women and scheme and plot to become more like opressive muslims.
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Post by ameiko on May 7, 2011 9:22:27 GMT -5
with the Republican attacks on women and gays....it's just a matter of time before they turn away and ignore "corrective" rapes.... and only ask "was it really rape as we now define rape?" What "attacks" do you refer to? I haven't receive a call to arms to rape women or smack up gays from my local Republican party. Am I being gyped? Do I get invited if I go for the silver package?
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Post by ameiko on May 7, 2011 9:25:08 GMT -5
When men can get pregnant, they can have abortions. When men can carry a baby for nine months they can complain. Did you get the hint yet that until these things can somehow happen, there can't be equality? Are boys made the same as girls? More Conservative "I want things equal and fair when it benefits me, but if it doesn't, then I don't care how unequal it is." I support equality! A woman can decide whether or not to have the kid and the man can decide whether or not he wants to support it! In the name of equality, we should either: 1. forbid all women from voting for the President (who commands our soldiers) or Congress (who can declare war and fund it) OR 2. force women to register for selective service and be drafted. Fair is fair!
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Post by ameiko on May 7, 2011 9:31:24 GMT -5
I think everyone already knows what rape is and there's no need to 'define' or 'redefine' it..... there's no need for this "forceable rape" definition.... it's just another attack on rape victims and women. Actually, we really don't. Sounds wierd I know but some groups are always trying to redefine it or say there was a rape even if the "victim" didn't think she was. There was a study about 10 years ago that claimed that 1 in 4 college women were raped. In reality, most of the victims didn't think they were; the data were manipulated to included sexual encounters that were regretted after the fact. I think we can all agree that any person who violently rapes a woman is scum and should be hung from their gentitals. But to include in that category things like, "well I drank a little too much last night and now I wish I didn't sleep with that equally drunk cutie" is just silly.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 9:33:26 GMT -5
Now, ameiko-- do you need a time out? Remember your place as a man. Shouldn't you be out beating up gays, or raping women to support abortion?? How DARE you suggest that men are equal to women!! We have WOMBS!!!!!!!!!
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Post by chiver78 on May 7, 2011 9:35:53 GMT -5
But this whole thread is pointless. There's no arguing with liberals like steff and chiver. Liberals base their "arguments" on emotion and anger, not logic or facts. Somehow some thugs attacking a lesbian in South Africa somehow reflects on Republicans here in the U.S and their desire to get women to pay for their own abortions. And they want to get woman to fund their own abortions is not because it's outside the scope of the constitution or because it encourages personal responsiblity, no, it's because republicans hate women and scheme and plot to become more like opressive muslims. it's emotional to want to keep everyone other than myself out of my doctor's office? uh, ok. keep smoking whatever it is that's got you off in la-la land. it's working, a little too well. as far as the connection you think I make between this "corrective rape" and Republicans here in the US, I hate to burst your bubble but I don't link the two. I didn't start this thread, and have made no comments to connect the two. if you can find an example, please link back. otherwise, do not speak for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 9:38:58 GMT -5
Every year here some sorority bimbo cries rape, some poor kid is expelled, lots of legal things happen, boy is cleared, but his life is already WAY off track and he is damaged in terrible ways from no longer being captain of the HS football team, but a rapist... but, wait.. he didn't do it.... Believe me, raising my 5 kids I warned my boys about girls a whole lot more than I warned my girls about boys.
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Post by ameiko on May 7, 2011 9:46:45 GMT -5
Now, ameiko-- do you need a time out? Remember your place as a man. Shouldn't you be out beating up gays, or raping women to support abortion?? How DARE you suggest that men are equal to women!! We have WOMBS!!!!!!!!! Oh crap! I've been raping gays and beating up women instead! It was supposed to be the other way around? My bad but I must plead innocent: I'm just a misguided man... what do I know?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 9:52:32 GMT -5
but I will say with all the Republican bills that are blatantly against women & women's rights, there's starting to be little difference between them and the Muslims they rail against. Force able rape? seriously that is VERY close to holding the victim responsible as the guilty one and only a hop skip and a jump away from stoning them for daring to become a victim of a violent crime.
Chiver my reply (hop, skip, jump) was aimed at the above. The Republicans not wanting to pay for abortions is not the same thing as holding the victim responsible as the guilty one or stoning them. The republican just don't believe that it's within the governments scope of responsibility to pay for abortions (& neither do I).
I would also wonder (because we are talking about rape here) EXACTLY what percentage of abortions are done (of the total) for women that get pregnant from rape. The Dim's like to use the worst case scenario (much like they use the poor little child that will die without money spent on him) but what's the real number? I'm betting that it isn't large.
This whole discussion to me is not about rape & not about abortion (either good or bad). It's about who is going to pay for it & I don't believe that the government should be involved.
How long before the Republicans support this? Steff if the Republicans support this action would you then become a Republican? I'm betting you would. That really wasn't necessary, oldtex. Steff has said nothing that would lead one to believe she'd condone this sort of behavior. While I may not see this as a potential problem in this country, it did happen and it was reprehensible. To accuse steff of supporting it is also reprehensible.
mmhmm, of course your RIGHT, it was reprehensible!!! Yet you missed the title of the thread & what Steff said in the first post? That's where he accused me (a Republican) of doing EXACTLY the same action as YOU said was reprehensible & it pissed me OFF. If your going to accuse someone of something they didn't do & don't even think, then it's sure fair for them to do it right back. I'm may be a Republican but I'm not for beating & killing women & I don't appreciate someone saying that I (or the Republican party) is.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 9:54:37 GMT -5
Just sit down and be quiet, ameiko. Your re-education will start soon. You are scheduled to attend a parasite removal from a woman's body at noon, then a seminar on the political incorrectness of Winnie the Pooh. Tomorrow we tackle your gender identity issues. Celebrate hope and change.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 9:56:51 GMT -5
1-2% of all abortions are due to rape or incest. Rape is a key word, just like racist. FAIL.
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Post by jkapp on May 7, 2011 10:36:22 GMT -5
I think rape is pretty clearly defined in the penal codes of the various states. It's VERY specifically defined in the California Penal Code ~ and I'm aware of no plans pending to change that definition. (Of course, I'm making assumption about the rest of the states.) Then why do the Republicans keep introducing bills that 'redefine rape'? For the same reasons democrats keep trying to "redefine marriage." In order to push their political agendas on the public.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 10:49:13 GMT -5
1-2% of all abortions are due to rape or incest. Rape is a key word, just like racist. FAIL.
Thanks krickett, I figured that it was that low. Yet that is the example that was picked to fight over & use as an example? One to two percent? Well at least it isn't mythical like that little baby that needs expensive medical care (so we have to start programs costing millions of dollars).
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 10:55:03 GMT -5
I don't care one way or another about abortions. I believe in personal choice on most things including this. I just don't thing the government should be paying for them. So you'd rather pay thousands more for welfare? Even hear of penny wise and pound foolish?
To me it's a question of letting the federal government assume powers that they don't & shouldn't have. It's a slippery slope from the government aborting babies to them mandating that women have to take birth control. And our government has shown over & over that they will expand & abuse their power over time.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 11:01:12 GMT -5
Which is why Pubs HAD to create HB 3 to deal with Obamacare. There are loopholes in Obamacare that would allow fed funds for abortion. Seems the rule is-- if it does not say NO that means YES. So Pubs and some Dems jumped in and said NO to close the holes. People are really mad-- as you see...
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 8, 2011 1:20:21 GMT -5
Ms. Steff, although it was quickly buried by other posts, I had asked whether you would you endorse the statement: "I consider it very likely that 5 or more percent of Republican voters would endorse 'corrective rape' as a means of reducing homosexuality in American society." I am genuinely interested in hearing your reply. Would you indulge me?
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Post by formerexpat on May 8, 2011 19:14:25 GMT -5
Until it comes time for payment. That's the point that some are trying to make. We'd rather stay completely out of your doctor's office; including when the bill "the American taxpayers".
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Post by chiver78 on May 8, 2011 19:40:26 GMT -5
Until it comes time for payment. That's the point that some are trying to make. We'd rather stay completely out of your doctor's office; including when the bill "the American taxpayers". expat, that's all well and good, but if you scroll this whole thread and any other abortion thread, I have never disagreed with that point. I take exception to those that want to chip away at the right of a woman to choose. please go back and read up. I'll be happy to discuss my opinion once you've done so.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on May 8, 2011 20:35:47 GMT -5
Ever hear of the words "promote the general welfare"? That's a catch all-phrase, not Promoting some guy named "Welfare" into a General, BTW. That's okay, I can tell a dodge when I see one, so you've already answered my question. Don't worry, you're not the only Republicant avoiding reality.
If you somehow have a baby from doing any of those, let us know.
When you carry a baby for nine months, then you can talk of equality. Didn't you take sex ed in school? Heck, I knew that way before then.
LOL, how's it feel Mr. Call People Socialists? Well, I don't get mad because when someone pulls out the socialist card; their uninformed opinion doesn't matter enough to get mad over. Anyways, hopefully you'll learn something from this experience.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 21:29:10 GMT -5
"shouldn't an equal amount of money be spent on MEN"
Viagra anyone?
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Post by chiver78 on May 8, 2011 21:30:58 GMT -5
"shouldn't an equal amount of money be spent on MEN" Viagra anyone? I've suggested similar, and it's been ignored. can't wait to see what reaction you get.
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