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Post by deziloooooo on May 4, 2011 9:02:18 GMT -5
A article today caught my eye. I am one who has no problem trying to be "Politically Correct " . I think it is a good thing and a bit of care once one is aware of what offends others, there is so much, we are just not aware , and to not offend is a good thing. This one has me however. The taking down of Osama Ben Laden , the pay back , the justice of, will be in my mind one of the Iconic events in our history. We have many. For the WW2 generation,"Wake Island "is one of many, Korean War, "Chosen Reservoir ", Revelutionary war, possible "Vally Forge ". For our generation the removal of Ben Laden , and how it was accomplished will join those events. To me , anything associated to those events become sacred and honored , yet I don't understand the complaint of the first nation of the use of "Geronimo" as a code word in this event. Possible back in the day , through ignorance, non understanding , those Americans, especially those in leadership positions , to keep from showing their incompetence when they were not able to find him and stop his war against them, they referred to the man as a terrorist , or what ever the word was back then, but in modern times , the name, the word has been used to indicate bravery above and beyond. Wrongly suggested to be yelled out as Paratroopers flung them selves out of airplanes on their way to deadly missions. That they actually didn't do that is not the point, it was assumed they did and it was supposedly yelled out to honor his/their bravery, doing something above and beyond, not as a diss. Who would , at a time like that, diss anything, only indicate extraordinary courage that the average individual would not be capable of doing. I believe the feelings of Native American leaders over the use of his name as a code word, they have it wrong, and are misinterpreting the reason it was chosen. It was chosen as a honor , not a diss of..IMHO. ------------------------------------------------------------ news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_geronimo-------------------------------------------------------------- . By MATTHEW DALY, Associated Press Matthew Daly, Associated Press – Tue May 3, 11:17 pm ET WASHINGTON – The top staffer for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee is objecting to the U.S. military's use of the code name "Geronimo" for Osama bin Laden during the raid that killed the al-Qaida leader. Geronimo was an Apache leader in the 19th century who spent many years fighting the Mexican and U.S. armies until his surrender in 1886. Loretta Tuell, staff director and chief counsel for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, said Tuesday it was inappropriate to link Geronimo, whom she called "one of the greatest Native American heroes," with one of the most hated enemies of the United States. "These inappropriate uses of Native American icons and cultures are prevalent throughout our society, and the impacts to Native and non-Native children are devastating," Tuell said. Tuell is a member of the Nez Perce tribe and grew on the tribe's reservation in Idaho. The Senate Indian Affairs panel had previously scheduled a hearing for Thursday on racial stereotypes of native people. Tuell said the use of Geronimo in the bin Laden raid will be discussed. Steven Newcomb, a columnist for the weekly newspaper Indian Country Today, criticized what he called a disrespectful use of a name revered by many Native Americans. "Apparently, having an African-American president in the White House is not enough to overturn the more than 200-year American tradition of treating and thinking of Indians as enemies of the United States," Newcomb wrote. After bin Laden was killed, the military sent a message back to the White House: "Geronimo EKIA" — enemy killed in action. "It's another attempt to label Native Americans as terrorists," said Paula Antoine of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe in South Dakota. A White House spokesman referred questions about the code name to the Pentagon. A Defense Department spokeswoman declined to comment. Jefferson Keel, president of National Congress of American Indians, the largest organization representing American Indians and Alaska Natives, said, "Osama bin Laden was a shared enemy." Keel said that since 2001, 77 American Indians and Alaskan Natives have died defending the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq. More than 400 have been wounded"
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on May 4, 2011 11:37:15 GMT -5
I have no knowledge to how they picked the name for this, however, I believe that many times they just have a list and go down the list, it could simply have been time for Geronimo.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 4, 2011 12:00:18 GMT -5
I have no knowledge to how they picked the name for this, however, I believe that many times they just have a list and go down the list, it could simply have been time for Geronimo. Possible, that was how it was explained on the Lybia code name, never my MOS as far as expertise of how they pick those, possible they have certain names for certain type operations, to indicate the type of, this one to me seems a appropriate operational , actually it was not the operational name, but the name given to a general target, they were not positive who was in the home, very good idea , but over all they were expecting at the least a very hi ranking member of the terrorist organization, with fingers crossed on the one they got, but appropriate in any case IMHO. Possible I am missing something here in my questioning the First nation unhappiness in the picking of the name, maybe lakhota, our resident native American expert , who might weigh in and i would listen to his explanation closely, always open to changing my mind on things if wrong on my feelings.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 12:02:52 GMT -5
Funny how no one on the PC left has anything to say about this... WHY?? Because Obama did it. If BUSH had done this...............
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Post by deziloooooo on May 4, 2011 12:16:29 GMT -5
Funny how no one on the PC left has anything to say about this... WHY?? Because Obama did it. If BUSH had done this............... Krickett darlin...enough already...left, right all around the mulberry bush , all fall down...
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 12:21:13 GMT -5
Tis true, Dez, my friend. No liberals here screaming about the non PC of using a great Indian warrior as a tag name for the world's worst terrorist.. think about it when I say if BUSH did this....
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Post by marshabar1 on May 4, 2011 12:25:47 GMT -5
Geronimo!!!! It means "let's go." Has for years. But put a plug in your mouths and your ears if you wish. Any other orifice is fine too. Knock yourselves out. ;D
How's your arm, Krickitt?
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Post by deziloooooo on May 4, 2011 12:28:52 GMT -5
Tis true, Dez, my friend. No liberals here screaming about the non PC of using a great Indian warrior as a tag name for the world's worst terrorist.. think about it when I say if BUSH did this.... Actually, if you look , no one from any side being interested in the thread at all..all I am saying , your continuous bringing up left/right on all and any , reminiscence of others no one takes seriously, even those who have the same political views, more a embarrassment, why join those folks, just my opinion, post as you will , go to it, but something to think about.
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Post by txbo on May 4, 2011 12:32:54 GMT -5
It’s a non issue. Geronimo has been used as an exclamation of surprise or delight. This Americanism was a battle cry used by World War II paratroopers as they jumped from planes. Military use of the term derived from the American Apache Indian Chief, Geronimo (1829-1909), whose name carried associations of savage killing. After the war, Geronimo became a popular term in nonmilitary contexts, retaining the flavor of surprise and exhilaration.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 12:37:09 GMT -5
Good, Marsha. Took a blazing hot bath last night- first in 5+ weeks. Worked wonders for all the injured parts. Getting some mobility back in fingers and wrist. Still wrapped tight and slinged, but much better without the cast. Thx. (Sorry, Dez. Back on topic.)
Dez-- this IS a political board. I'm just having fun with liberals not posting on this topic because Obama did it, so it must be okay, ;D
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Post by lakhota on May 4, 2011 12:37:35 GMT -5
You could have at least spelled his name correctly in the thread title.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 12:40:19 GMT -5
Remember-- when they killed Bin Laden, they called out that "Geronimo is down." The name was applied to Bin Laden himself, not the mission. That is why they are mad.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 4, 2011 12:43:32 GMT -5
PC dopes will grasp at any straw. The operation was code named Geronimo. After Bin Laden was killed Seals sent message, Geronimo E-KIA. Enemy killed in action.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 12:51:50 GMT -5
LOL! I just googled it, and saw some weird stuff.. people saying he should have been called Hitler, ect.. Always something to gripe about.. Yeah, in the past Geronimo was an honorable thing to mention on missions, but today it is not PC??? I still say if Bush did it this thread would be dripping blood!! ;D
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Post by deziloooooo on May 4, 2011 12:56:21 GMT -5
Good, Marsha. Took a blazing hot bath last night- first in 5+ weeks. Worked wonders for all the injured parts. Getting some mobility back in fingers and wrist. Still wrapped tight and slinged, but much better without the cast. Thx. (Sorry, Dez. Back on topic.) Dez-- this IS a political board. I'm just having fun with liberals not posting on this topic because Obama did it, so it must be okay, ;D When did you take cast off,? Did you just decide to do it or did you have it looked at first, x rayed? Ok on the posts, just getting old that's all, think we need another specific thread, moon will kill us, entitled , "Thread for back and fourths disses , both parties and any that are formed between now and the 2012 election, no notice should be taken of anything posted here " What think, a bit long, we could call it the " TFBAFDBPAATAFBNAT 2012 E "'' TFbafd or BpAAT" for short , your choice?? ;D Personally I kind of favor "bpatt" myself, has a ring to it methinks.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 4, 2011 13:03:18 GMT -5
krickitt-the reason why the liberals have little to say on this is because they, unlike you, know the name of the operation was Geronimo and was not the military's code name for Bin Laden. Even Marshabar has offered you proof.
As you stated, Geronimo was great indian warrior-much like our Navy Seals.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 13:20:01 GMT -5
indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/ict_sbc/bin-laden-code-name-%E2%80%9Cgeronimo%E2%80%9D-is-a-bomb-in-indian-country/The US government may have captured and killed Osama Bin Laden with a surgical strike, but it also dropped a bombshell on Native America in the process. “We’ve ID’d Geronimo,” said the voice of the Navy SEAL who reported the hunt for Osama bin Laden was over. The President, and all those gathered in the situation room, waited on edge for the voice to return with the triumphant news, that in fact, “Geronimo” was dead. According to multiple sources, “Geronimo-E KIA” is the message that was sent to the White House by the strike team to announce that bin Laden, the “E,” or Enemy, was Killed In Action. As news of bin Laden’s death spread relief across America and the world, revelations that the assigned code name of Enemy Number One was “Geronimo,” a legendary Apache leader, caused shock waves in Indian communities across the country. It is being interpreted as a slap in the face of Native people, a disturbing message that equates an iconic symbol of Native American pride with the most hated evildoer since Adolf Hitler. MORE Long story short-- Indians don't like that they said they located Geronimo.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 13:20:08 GMT -5
Now the name 'Geronamo " inappropriate
I know that I wouldn't yell Geronamo if they were going to throw me out of an airplane. I would be yelling "#@## &@^@%%# (*#&@!!!!!!!!
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Post by deziloooooo on May 4, 2011 13:25:18 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with calling the mission or the target Geronimo..... it's not that big of a deal really....don't know what the fuss is over For you and I , none, but for members of the First Nations, leaders of the , or some, not sure there, American Indian Tribes it is a "big deal", which is confusing me, I believe they are misunderstanding the interpretation of why the name was used , if it was purposely chosen and wasn't the next one to pop up when they started giving out the code names.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 13:30:18 GMT -5
What would you have to say if GWB called Bin Laden Geronimo?? Would that be terribly unPC?? Just sayin'............
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Post by txbo on May 4, 2011 13:39:40 GMT -5
What would you have to say if GWB called Bin Laden Geronimo?? Would that be terribly unPC?? Just sayin'............ As I have stated before Geronimo has been used for military ops over many years and will continue to be used. Someone from some tribe wants to get a little notoriety out of this and is grasping at straws.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 4, 2011 13:47:53 GMT -5
I guess sometime today I'll have to drag out my dad's DD214 because I know that in all that mumbo jumbo that I don't quite understand there are mission names from his time in Nam. Need to see if there's anything 'not PC' in them that I should supposedly be in an uproar over. But I still don't see what the big deal is over the mission being called Geronimo and other than 1 link from 1 Native American group, I haven't seen anyone else (other than krickett) making a big deal over it...... Wow, Krickitt, you get to live rent free in Steff's brain. Hope it's nice and roomy. ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 13:51:02 GMT -5
LOL, Marsha!! You too, it seems!!
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Post by handyman2 on May 4, 2011 14:00:35 GMT -5
Some need to get a life. True Geronimo was a fearless fighter for his people. However he was not held in very high regard by the US government at the time. He for a time was able to outwit the US cavalry till he basically ran out of solders and weapons. Being part Cherokee I find nothing offensive about using the name as a code word. It has been used in military operations before.
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