Not directly politics

[azucena]

Nov 9, 2024 10:24:16 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Nov 9, 2024 8:55:38 GMT -5 azucena said:

Daisylu summed up my reasoning.

I'm not giving my hard earned money to people who JUDGE and HATE others on the basis of skin tone, something they can't control. How's that for JUDGEMENT.

I'll also stand in judgement of those who want to control female bodies and other private choices.

Reasonable , people give according to their desires/wishes
Who would give to a charity that conflicts with your principles?

I was thinking not giving to a charity ( that you agree with) but serves people who seems likely voted for someone you strongly disagree with. Judgemental?

This is exactly what I'm planning to do. I'm not giving to any charities but rather will look for specific people in my circle who are actively trying to make life better including voting for against hate and will give to them anonymously. I am perfectly comfortable judging people based on who they voted for in this particular election cycle.

[jerseygirl]

Nov 9, 2024 11:00:12 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nov 9, 2024 10:53:22 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

I did see some/a post about ‘not giving to people who vote against their own best interests’.
So yes that’s judging people who think differently or deciding you know better than them what their best interests should be

And the people who give to churches don't. They seem to believe that women should continue with pregnancies they don't wish to. I see people re-evaluating what they want to do with their charitable donations. They are saying that they do not want to give money to support people with values different than theirs. In addition, people who are voting for politicians who want to do things that are going to hurt many people, including those who voted for it, and in that case why should they ameliorate the damage.

You are judging how people decide to use their money. Who are you to judge?

I’m not judging how people want or don’t want give, just interested in why these decisions are now being made

[seriousthistime]

Nov 9, 2024 10:53:22 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

I did see some/a post about ‘not giving to people who vote against their own best interests’.
So yes that’s judging people who think differently or deciding you know better than them what their best interests should be

Is that different than conservatives not wanting to support a charity that serves, say, the homeless?  

It's long been my experience that, generally, conservatives consider homelessness as the result of laziness or choice.  

Wouldn't that be judging people who think differently or deciding you know better than them what their best interests should be? 

[pulmonarymd]

Because we elected a president who wants to make the lives of the people who posted about re-evaluating their giving worse. Very easy to understand. I am also going to think long and hard about where I want my money to go.

Why should we bail out hurricane victims when they elect people who are denying climate change and resisting doing things to ameliorate the damage. I would rather give my money to the American Lung Association so we can fight gutting the Clean Air Act. See how that works?

[jerseygirl]

Nov 9, 2024 11:13:56 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Nov 9, 2024 10:53:22 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

I did see some/a post about ‘not giving to people who vote against their own best interests’.
So yes that’s judging people who think differently or deciding you know better than them what their best interests should be

Is that different than conservatives not wanting to support a charity that serves, say, the homeless?  

It's long been my experience that, generally, conservatives consider homelessness as the result of laziness or choice.  

Wouldn't that be judging people who think differently or deciding you know better than them what their best interests should be? 

[b

I’ve never heard that but mostly sorrow and hopelessness about so many mentally ill people are homeless. Really you actually know a conservative who thinks that way? If so an awful person
I’m on board a charity desperately trying to get housing for Deaf and Deaf blind people some who are homeless or living in abysmal conditions
NJ state government is dismissive and not cooperative but charities including Catholic charities are supportive and helpful

[azucena]

Nov 9, 2024 11:20:40 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:13:56 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Is that different than conservatives not wanting to support a charity that serves, say, the homeless?  

It's long been my experience that, generally, conservatives consider homelessness as the result of laziness or choice.  

Wouldn't that be judging people who think differently or deciding you know better than them what their best interests should be? 

[b

I’ve never heard that but mostly sorrow and hopelessness about so many mentally ill people are homeless. Really you actually know a conservative who thinks that way? If so an awful person
I’m on board a charity desperately trying to get housing for Deaf and Deaf blind people some who are homeless or living in abysmal conditions
NJ state government is dismissive and not cooperative but charities including Catholic charities are supportive and helpful

I've always appreciated your work with deaf and blind particularly as both of my DH's parents were born blind so I've seen firsthand experience.

Honest question though - which political party do you think will actively help your charity?

[billisonboard]

Human beings judge. It is hardwired into our survival instinct. What I work to do is evaluate and pass judgment on how I am judging others. Am I being fair and using reasonable criteria? What behaviors am I engaging in as a result of those judgments? Are those reasonable? Am I allowing new information to enter into a judgment made and potentially alter that judgment? 

[minnesotapaintlady]

Nov 9, 2024 11:20:40 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:13:56 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Is that different than conservatives not wanting to support a charity that serves, say, the homeless?  

It's long been my experience that, generally, conservatives consider homelessness as the result of laziness or choice.  

Wouldn't that be judging people who think differently or deciding you know better than them what their best interests should be? 

[b

I’ve never heard that but mostly sorrow and hopelessness about so many mentally ill people are homeless. Really you actually know a conservative who thinks that way? If so an awful person
I’m on board a charity desperately trying to get housing for Deaf and Deaf blind people some who are homeless or living in abysmal conditions
NJ state government is dismissive and not cooperative but charities including Catholic charities are supportive and helpful

Well, we can start with my mom.   I don't know how many times on road trips I heard about how they should get off their lazy asses and get a job.  They're either lazy, drunks or drug addicts in her opinion (usually all of the above) and should be avoided and not enabled by helping them.

[jerseygirl]

Nov 9, 2024 11:22:57 GMT -5 azucena said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:20:40 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

[b

I’ve never heard that but mostly sorrow and hopelessness about so many mentally ill people are homeless. Really you actually know a conservative who thinks that way? If so an awful person
I’m on board a charity desperately trying to get housing for Deaf and Deaf blind people some who are homeless or living in abysmal conditions
NJ state government is dismissive and not cooperative but charities including Catholic charities are supportive and helpful

I've always appreciated your work with deaf and blind particularly as both of my DH's parents were born blind so I've seen firsthand experience.

Honest question though - which political party do you think will actively help your charity?

Two Republican state senators are very supportive and working with us trying to get the NJ government and departments to help. They’ve had numerous meetings with us. Sending letters to state officials and holding meetings. Having meetings with a group of Deaf folks is difficult with interpreters and stopping numerous times for understanding .
We’ve contacted Democratic officials who basically say that’s a good cause but do nothing. Even worse we had a zoom call with some Democratic officials. Having a zoom with Deaf people requires getting interpreters and it’s difficult cause need to stop fairly often and explain. Very sad but the Deaf people felt they were disrespected.

[seriousthistime]

Nov 9, 2024 11:20:40 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:13:56 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Is that different than conservatives not wanting to support a charity that serves, say, the homeless?  

It's long been my experience that, generally, conservatives consider homelessness as the result of laziness or choice.  

Wouldn't that be judging people who think differently or deciding you know better than them what their best interests should be? 

[b

I’ve never heard that but mostly sorrow and hopelessness about so many mentally ill people are homeless. Really you actually know a conservative who thinks that way? If so an awful person
I’m on board a charity desperately trying to get housing for Deaf and Deaf blind people some who are homeless or living in abysmal conditions
NJ state government is dismissive and not cooperative but charities including Catholic charities are supportive and helpful

Yes, I actually do know conservatives who think that way.  I would say of the conservatives I personally know, more think that way than not.  Surprised you've never heard that.   

[lurkyloo]

It’s sort of like trying to help someone out of an abusive relationship, or other self destructive behavior.  You can’t do it for them.

If I hear that kids can’t focus at school because they are hungry, I want to help feed them.  If you dig deeper and find out that the reason they’re hungry is because their governor turned down federal funding specifically slated to provide free school lunch, and their parents went ahead and voted that same governor back into office, I kinda want to walk away from the whole mess.  Sucks for the kids (who will probably grow up indoctrinated with their parents’ beliefs) but I can’t save everybody and I am perfectly fine with reorienting my giving to reflect my values.

I’ll probably keep giving, but as much to reduce tax burden and aim my money where I think is important rather than where the government wants to spend it as everything else.  

[billisonboard]

So if you're tempted to rescue me
Drowning in this quicksand up to my neck
Before you grab my hand to save me
Why don't you ask me if I'm finished yet?

[Opti]

Nov 9, 2024 11:20:40 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:13:56 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Is that different than conservatives not wanting to support a charity that serves, say, the homeless?  

It's long been my experience that, generally, conservatives consider homelessness as the result of laziness or choice.  

Wouldn't that be judging people who think differently or deciding you know better than them what their best interests should be? 

[b

I’ve never heard that but mostly sorrow and hopelessness about so many mentally ill people are homeless. Really you actually know a conservative who thinks that way? If so an awful person
I’m on board a charity desperately trying to get housing for Deaf and Deaf blind people some who are homeless or living in abysmal conditions
NJ state government is dismissive and not cooperative but charities including Catholic charities are supportive and helpful

I'm wondering about why you need or want the NJ government. Especially after post #64 where you quoted this line from a link -


Postulated that liberals rely more on government supporting people than conservatives



If the charity could figure out how to raise enough money now and ongoing, couldn't they just build and staff the housing they feel is needed? 

[teen persuasion]

I'm definitely reevaluating where my time and money efforts go.

I'm absolutely disgusted with the Diocese closing churches everywhere. Our church is one of 50+ slated to close and be sold to pay off the church sex scandal lawsuits, and we are supposed to switch to attending another building in the "family". Our church building hosts the community food pantry. The family of parishes' pastor has done/said zilch about relocating the food pantry. It's as if it goes bye bye with our beloved church. Too bad, moving along...

It is the individual volunteers who have been desperately looking for a viable donated space. Finally, a bible church in the other village stepped up and offered space at one of their buildings. Ironically, that bible church had bought the church we were formerly linked to, which was closed in a previous round of diocese forced closures, basically our sister church. This bible church is also stepping up to create an after school daycare, since the school district *just* dropped its onsite afterschool care program. So this church is walking the walk as far as caring for the community. Our diocese, not so much.

Oh, but my family of parishes has time and money to open some Gianna Molla pregnancy charity! She's apparently a saint because she opted to die from cancer rather than get treatment because of pregnancy. Wait, I thought suicide was ALSO against church teachings? Argh! I want nothing to do with it - other parishioners have said they are incredibly invasive before they offer any "assistance" to pregnant women. So much time and effort wasted pretending to be helpful.


Nope, I'll attend mass weekly for the sake of our little community that we've built, but once they kick us out I AM DONE with this diocese. Not going to some other random church far away, not indirectly supporting causes I despise, I'll just keep supporting my community thru my library. In many ways my library has become my new church/religion. We serve so many people, needy or not, in various ways.

[jerseygirl]

Nov 9, 2024 13:29:18 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:20:40 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

[b

I’ve never heard that but mostly sorrow and hopelessness about so many mentally ill people are homeless. Really you actually know a conservative who thinks that way? If so an awful person
I’m on board a charity desperately trying to get housing for Deaf and Deaf blind people some who are homeless or living in abysmal conditions
NJ state government is dismissive and not cooperative but charities including Catholic charities are supportive and helpful

I'm wondering about why you need or want the NJ government. Especially after post #64 where you quoted this line from a link -


Postulated that liberals rely more on government supporting people than conservatives



If the charity could figure out how to raise enough money now and ongoing, couldn't they just build and staff the housing they feel is needed? 

We want to renovate a long vacant dormitory that’s on the grounds of the NJ School for the Deaf . Renovate the building into independent living apartments for low income Deaf and DeafBlind seniors. The school population is decreasing from when kids boarded at the school but now mostly go to schools near their homes with ASL interpreters
We need approval to renovate the building. Just approval. No cost to the state. We’ve partnered with a NJ developer of supportive housing that has grants available to do the renovation. But without approval from the NJ dept of education and assembly and governor the project can’t start.
Our board has land purchased using donations and grants and Waiting for variances to start building supportive residence specifically designed for Deaf and DeafBlind
But the Deaf community also very much wants the project on grounds of the school for the Deaf many are alumni and boarded at this school from 5 yrs up and are like family
Churches and Catholic Charities have outreach programs to the Deaf community and have been very supportive. Two republican state senators have been actively helping and supporting us and trying to get the approval from the State.

[daisylu]

Nov 9, 2024 10:53:22 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

I did see some/a post about ‘not giving to people who vote against their own best interests’.
So yes that’s judging people who think differently or deciding you know better than them what their best interests should be

That was me and you quoted it yesterday. 

I have donated tons of time and money to single mother charities. I was one and never got government assistance. Our lives were difficult and pretty ugly at times but I raised 2 great kids who are the first college graduates in several generations of 4 very large families - yes, I am proud. I worked hard to raise good kids while I was making just above minimum wage. 

But I will no longer support people who rely on government assistance, yet voted Replican. Repubs have always been about cutting "handouts". So IMO that is against their best interests - especially when their vote now endangers the health of my daughter, which makes it opposed to my best interests. 
They will never get time, effort, or money in the future. 


ETA -  I was working 60 hours a week to make $2,000/month and $880 went to childcare - which also meant that I could not spend time with my small children. So you judge in your privileged way and I will judge in mine. 

[Opti]

Nov 9, 2024 15:55:26 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Nov 9, 2024 13:29:18 GMT -5 Opti said:

I'm wondering about why you need or want the NJ government. Especially after post #64 where you quoted this line from a link -


Postulated that liberals rely more on government supporting people than conservatives



If the charity could figure out how to raise enough money now and ongoing, couldn't they just build and staff the housing they feel is needed? 

We want to renovate a long vacant dormitory that’s on the grounds of the NJ School for the Deaf . Renovate the building into independent living apartments for low income Deaf and DeafBlind seniors. The school population is decreasing from when kids boarded at the school but now mostly go to schools near their homes with ASL interpreters
We need approval to renovate the building. Just approval. No cost to the state. We’ve partnered with a NJ developer of supportive housing that has grants available to do the renovation. But without approval from the NJ dept of education and assembly and governor the project can’t start.
Our board has land purchased using donations and grants and Waiting for variances to start building supportive residence specifically designed for Deaf and DeafBlind
But the Deaf community also very much wants the project on grounds of the school for the Deaf many are alumni and boarded at this school from 5 yrs up and are like family
Churches and Catholic Charities have outreach programs to the Deaf community and have been very supportive. Two republican state senators have been actively helping and supporting us and trying to get the approval from the State.

TY for your explanation.    If you get approval from the NJ dept of education then do the senators introduce a bill that if passed allows your charity to start on the reno? 

[raeoflyte]

This is a stream of consciousness rant.

We have to make a decision about Thanksgiving. Dh's parents definitely and most likely sister and bil voted for him. Dh aside, they know about dc. They're educated and know his platform and know 100% that he was running based on the fear mongering surrounding queer kids - my kid.

Like I said in my first post I've always held back and let my kids come to their own conclusions. Mil/fil are there own worst enemies and ds has them pretty well figured out. Bil is one of those fantastic sales people who can make people think he agrees with them without sharing any personal information so he and sil are trickier.

Dc is younger, more trusting, and much more susceptible to others influence. I want to protect them as much as possible and my gut is saying that includes from people who love them - because mil/fil/sil/bil do love them- but I can't trust them with queer kids so I can't trust them with dc.

They were never willing or interested in learning how to take care of ds diabetes either so none of them have been alone with ds for over 9 years. They even managed to say stupid shit about diabetes but ds is the first to call out stupid. He doesn't hear it and start to question himself. Dc isn't like that.

I'm not denying that I am angry. We've been so open about how supportive the school has been - and it's literally using chosen pronouns and being kind so the haters here can calm the fuck down. They voted to take that away. They have a trans kid. I guess they figure dh turned out ok despite his upbringing because they ignore anything that doesn't fit their narrative.

I don't want to hurt my inlaws. I just don't want to do anything for them. Thanksgiving specifically is way more work for me than dh. Even without the election having my inlaws over adds an extra layer of stress because nothing is ever good enough for them but we always have to try. I'm over it. They aren't worth my time. But it's harder for dh and I have a hard time asking or telling him that I need that. The righteous anger has burned off and he's ready to go back to status quo where they pretend like things are ok - even when things are not ok. It also makes me think about the nuclear option if he can't make any decision. But would complete control 50% of the time be a good or helpful idea.

[pulmonarymd]

I think you need to focus on your and your child's mental health. This year make it just your nuclear family. You need a break and it buys you time to see how things shake out. Life is too short to have to deal with this stress, and people need to feel the consequences of their beliefs. You do not want to treat my child as I ask, then you do not get to be around them. Simple. Taking a break is a reasonable thing.

My parents were not thrilled with who I married. We live far enough away, and I work enough weekends that driving 100 miles each way to see them is an inconvenience. So I always had a built in excuse not to see them. I reminded them that the roads went each way when they complained. As a result, they have a superficial relationship with my kids. I think it is time to say what you think and not keep the peace. Trump supporters complained that they couldn't say what they thought because of "wokeness". Now that they can, they should accept the consequences

[teen persuasion]

Nov 9, 2024 13:44:57 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

I'm definitely reevaluating where my time and money efforts go.

I'm absolutely disgusted with the Diocese closing churches everywhere. Our church is one of 50+ slated to close and be sold to pay off the church sex scandal lawsuits, and we are supposed to switch to attending another building in the "family". Our church building hosts the community food pantry. The family of parishes' pastor has done/said zilch about relocating the food pantry. It's as if it goes bye bye with our beloved church. Too bad, moving along...

It is the individual volunteers who have been desperately looking for a viable donated space. Finally, a bible church in the other village stepped up and offered space at one of their buildings. Ironically, that bible church had bought the church we were formerly linked to, which was closed in a previous round of diocese forced closures, basically our sister church. This bible church is also stepping up to create an after school daycare, since the school district *just* dropped its onsite afterschool care program. So this church is walking the walk as far as caring for the community. Our diocese, not so much.

Oh, but my family of parishes has time and money to open some Gianna Molla pregnancy charity! She's apparently a saint because she opted to die from cancer rather than get treatment because of pregnancy. Wait, I thought suicide was ALSO against church teachings? Argh! I want nothing to do with it - other parishioners have said they are incredibly invasive before they offer any "assistance" to pregnant women. So much time and effort wasted pretending to be helpful.


Nope, I'll attend mass weekly for the sake of our little community that we've built, but once they kick us out I AM DONE with this diocese. Not going to some other random church far away, not indirectly supporting causes I despise, I'll just keep supporting my community thru my library. In many ways my library has become my new church/religion. We serve so many people, needy or not, in various ways.

Well, we finally got word on when we close down, Jan 12 will be the last mass. One parishioner who always runs the Giving Tree at Xmas was tearing her hair out last week, trying to figure out whether we do it this year, or drop it now, simply because no one could tell her if we'd even still be open in December. So, at least we get to have Christmas mass.

There was one part that had my head spinning - during the prayers of the faithful, the lector read "pray for the men and women who control and implement(manage?) our economy," or something to that effect.   Nice try with that one!

[raeoflyte]

Nov 10, 2024 13:49:12 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I think you need to focus on your and your child's mental health. This year make it just your nuclear family. You need a break and it buys you time to see how things shake out. Life is too short to have to deal with this stress, and people need to feel the consequences of their beliefs. You do not want to treat my child as I ask, then you do not get to be around them. Simple. Taking a break is a reasonable thing.

My parents were not thrilled with who I married. We live far enough away, and I work enough weekends that driving 100 miles each way to see them is an inconvenience. So I always had a built in excuse not to see them. I reminded them that the roads went each way when they complained. As a result, they have a superficial relationship with my kids. I think it is time to say what you think and not keep the peace. Trump supporters complained that they couldn't say what they thought because of "wokeness". Now that they can, they should accept the consequences

I agree except that my parents, sister and even her roommate will be included with us no matter what. They're 100% supporters of us and dc. We have extended family I'm comfortable inviting too, but I might pull back on that.

It is an us vs. them no matter what and I know they'll spin it as the evil dil. I don't care, but I wish I could help lessen that burden for dh.

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 10, 2024 13:59:03 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Nov 10, 2024 13:49:12 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I think you need to focus on your and your child's mental health. This year make it just your nuclear family. You need a break and it buys you time to see how things shake out. Life is too short to have to deal with this stress, and people need to feel the consequences of their beliefs. You do not want to treat my child as I ask, then you do not get to be around them. Simple. Taking a break is a reasonable thing.

My parents were not thrilled with who I married. We live far enough away, and I work enough weekends that driving 100 miles each way to see them is an inconvenience. So I always had a built in excuse not to see them. I reminded them that the roads went each way when they complained. As a result, they have a superficial relationship with my kids. I think it is time to say what you think and not keep the peace. Trump supporters complained that they couldn't say what they thought because of "wokeness". Now that they can, they should accept the consequences

I agree except that my parents, sister and even her roommate will be included with us no matter what. They're 100% supporters of us and dc. We have extended family I'm comfortable inviting too, but I might pull back on that.

It is an us vs. them no matter what and I know they'll spin it as the evil dil. I don't care, but I wish I could help lessen that burden for dh.

I get it, sometimes I feel a bit guilty. You need to remind your husband that his primary responsibility is to protect his children. If that means excluding his parents, so be it. My s-i-l called my wife yesterday, and said my mother wanted to explain her support for Trump and that he speaks to her. Glad I didn't talk to her before the election. Had a built in excuse as well-had water damage from a kitchen sink that overflowed, had to move out of our house and do an unplanned kitchen renovation, and my youngest son has to move after a job loss. She knows how I feel about Trump and how he made my life immeasurably worse by his fumbled pandemic response, but I am the one who is wrong. Don't have time for that

[chiver78]

Nov 9, 2024 7:24:40 GMT -5 daisylu said:

Nov 8, 2024 17:05:01 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Reading posts and seem to be noticing some are saying they are stopping giving to charities in response to the election outcome. Or am I badly mistaken??
But if so, why??
Assume they are democrats/liberals?
Already number of studies seem to show conservatives give more to charity than liberals. Postulated that liberals rely more on government supporting people than conservatives


www.aei.org/carpe-diem/who-gives-more-liberals-or-conservatives/

I really don’t understand anyone who responds to these election results by reducing charity??
I remember seeing something about Biden’s giving. It was pitifully small 0.2% or less than $1000/year. I was really shocked. Since he became president donating more maybe because publicity? ( and yes Trump is complete sleaze for charity)
abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/story?id=5791846&page=1

Anyway I’m puzzled if some really are responding by decreasing charitable giving or probably I’m just really completely wrong

I will not presume to speak for others, but maybe people are choosing not to donate their time, effort, or money to assist people who continue to make decisions or choices that are so opposed their own best interests. Choices that the givers now feel affect their own best interests.

you are definitely speaking for me with this answer. 

I have a question for jerseygirl - do you still count donations as "charity" if they are direct to the recipient? or to an less organized outfit that may not (yet) be a 501c3? or do you only count religious charities in your quoted post here? 

[chiver78]

Nov 9, 2024 11:52:02 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:20:40 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

[b

I’ve never heard that but mostly sorrow and hopelessness about so many mentally ill people are homeless. Really you actually know a conservative who thinks that way? If so an awful person
I’m on board a charity desperately trying to get housing for Deaf and Deaf blind people some who are homeless or living in abysmal conditions
NJ state government is dismissive and not cooperative but charities including Catholic charities are supportive and helpful

Yes, I actually do know conservatives who think that way.  I would say of the conservatives I personally know, more think that way than not.  Surprised you've never heard that.   

it's easy to hear what you want to hear. 

[chiver78]

Nov 10, 2024 13:54:57 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Nov 9, 2024 13:44:57 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

I'm definitely reevaluating where my time and money efforts go.

I'm absolutely disgusted with the Diocese closing churches everywhere. Our church is one of 50+ slated to close and be sold to pay off the church sex scandal lawsuits, and we are supposed to switch to attending another building in the "family". Our church building hosts the community food pantry. The family of parishes' pastor has done/said zilch about relocating the food pantry. It's as if it goes bye bye with our beloved church. Too bad, moving along...

It is the individual volunteers who have been desperately looking for a viable donated space. Finally, a bible church in the other village stepped up and offered space at one of their buildings. Ironically, that bible church had bought the church we were formerly linked to, which was closed in a previous round of diocese forced closures, basically our sister church. This bible church is also stepping up to create an after school daycare, since the school district *just* dropped its onsite afterschool care program. So this church is walking the walk as far as caring for the community. Our diocese, not so much.

Oh, but my family of parishes has time and money to open some Gianna Molla pregnancy charity! She's apparently a saint because she opted to die from cancer rather than get treatment because of pregnancy. Wait, I thought suicide was ALSO against church teachings? Argh! I want nothing to do with it - other parishioners have said they are incredibly invasive before they offer any "assistance" to pregnant women. So much time and effort wasted pretending to be helpful.


Nope, I'll attend mass weekly for the sake of our little community that we've built, but once they kick us out I AM DONE with this diocese. Not going to some other random church far away, not indirectly supporting causes I despise, I'll just keep supporting my community thru my library. In many ways my library has become my new church/religion. We serve so many people, needy or not, in various ways.

Well, we finally got word on when we close down, Jan 12 will be the last mass. One parishioner who always runs the Giving Tree at Xmas was tearing her hair out last week, trying to figure out whether we do it this year, or drop it now, simply because no one could tell her if we'd even still be open in December. So, at least we get to have Christmas mass.

There was one part that had my head spinning - during the prayers of the faithful, the lector read "pray for the men and women who control and implement(manage?) our economy," or something to that effect.   Nice try with that one!

I hope the "Lord, hear our prayer" response was markedly quieter for that one. wow... 

[jerseygirl]

Nov 10, 2024 14:29:47 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Nov 9, 2024 7:24:40 GMT -5 daisylu said:

I will not presume to speak for others, but maybe people are choosing not to donate their time, effort, or money to assist people who continue to make decisions or choices that are so opposed their own best interests. Choices that the givers now feel affect their own best interests.

you are definitely speaking for me with this answer. 

I have a question for jerseygirl - do you still count donations as "charity" if they are direct to the recipient? or to an less organized outfit that may not (yet) be a 501c3? or do you only count religious charities in your quoted post here? 

I don’t know the data that were used in this post
But to be formally considered a charity in the US it should be a 501c3.
A donation to a person or group of course can be charitable giving but not strictly a ‘charity’
And maybe even considered ‘more’ charitable since the person won’t be able to gain an advantage by it being tax deductible
Eg I give to Shriners a recognized charity
If I gave to a family to help their disabled child it’s still charity but just out of goodness of your heart and not tax deductible
Both types of giving are laudable but with a formal charity there are more regulations to hopefully avoid scams and misuse
Personal charity including volunteer time is great but little protection as eg some GoFundMe

[chiver78]

Nov 10, 2024 14:50:22 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Nov 10, 2024 14:29:47 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

you are definitely speaking for me with this answer. 

I have a question for jerseygirl - do you still count donations as "charity" if they are direct to the recipient? or to an less organized outfit that may not (yet) be a 501c3? or do you only count religious charities in your quoted post here? 

I don’t know the data that were used in this post
But to be formally considered a charity in the US it should be a 501c3.
A donation to a person or group of course can be charitable giving but not strictly a ‘charity’
And maybe even considered ‘more’ charitable since the person won’t be able to gain an advantage by it being tax deductible
Eg I give to Shriners a recognized charity
If I gave to a family to help their disabled child it’s still charity but just out of goodness of your heart and not tax deductible
Both types of giving are laudable but with a formal charity there are more regulations to hopefully avoid scams and misuse
Personal charity including volunteer time is great but little protection as eg some GoFundMe

thanks for the response. so just to clarify, you're only counting "official charity" contributions in your numbers. got it. 

[jerseygirl]

Nov 10, 2024 14:50:22 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Nov 10, 2024 14:29:47 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

you are definitely speaking for me with this answer. 

I have a question for jerseygirl - do you still count donations as "charity" if they are direct to the recipient? or to an less organized outfit that may not (yet) be a 501c3? or do you only count religious charities in your quoted post here? 

I don’t know the data that were used in this post
But to be formally considered a charity in the US it should be a 501c3.
A donation to a person or group of course can be charitable giving but not strictly a ‘charity’
And maybe even considered ‘more’ charitable since the person won’t be able to gain an advantage by it being tax deductible
Eg I give to Shriners a recognized charity
If I gave to a family to help their disabled child it’s still charity but just out of goodness of your heart and not tax deductible
Both types of giving are laudable but with a formal charity there are more regulations to hopefully avoid scams and misuse
Personal charity including volunteer time is great but little protection as eg some GoFundMe

And I didn’t notice that the differences in this article were solely religious

[jerseygirl]

Nov 10, 2024 14:57:05 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Nov 10, 2024 14:50:22 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

I don’t know the data that were used in this post
But to be formally considered a charity in the US it should be a 501c3.
A donation to a person or group of course can be charitable giving but not strictly a ‘charity’
And maybe even considered ‘more’ charitable since the person won’t be able to gain an advantage by it being tax deductible
Eg I give to Shriners a recognized charity
If I gave to a family to help their disabled child it’s still charity but just out of goodness of your heart and not tax deductible
Both types of giving are laudable but with a formal charity there are more regulations to hopefully avoid scams and misuse
Personal charity including volunteer time is great but little protection as eg some GoFundMe

thanks for the response. so just to clarify, you're only counting "official charity" contributions in your numbers. got it. 

Not ‘my’ numbers It’s just a reference that I used. Again I don’t know the dataset that was used for this

[chiver78]

Nov 10, 2024 14:59:58 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Nov 10, 2024 14:57:05 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

thanks for the response. so just to clarify, you're only counting "official charity" contributions in your numbers. got it. 

Not ‘my’ numbers It’s just a reference that I used. Again I don’t know the dataset that was used for this

that may have been a useful thing to say when presenting it to back up your opinions. but what do I know?