another school shooting

[swamp]

www.cnn.com/us/live-news/apalachee-high-school-shooting-georgia-09-04-24/index.html

CNN is reporting a school shooting in Winder, GA.   Suspect is in custody. 

Details are still sketchy at this point. 

I guess more thoughts and prayers are coming, but no meaningful gun reform.   

[daisylu]

I guess more thoughts and prayers are coming, but no meaningful gun reform.

Yup. And it is not a gun problem, it is mental health problem (with no solutions offered), kids having access to firearms, parents not parenting (while forcing people to BECOME parents), etc, etc, etc.

I am really glad that my kids are out of school.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Sept 4, 2024 13:01:16 GMT -5 daisylu said:

I guess more thoughts and prayers are coming, but no meaningful gun reform.

Yup. And it is not a gun problem, it is mental health problem (with no solutions offered), kids having access to firearms, parents not parenting (while forcing people to BECOME parents), etc, etc, etc.

I am really glad that my kids are out of school.

Same, but now the grand-little started kindergarten this year, so worry begins anew. 

[jerseygirl]

So very sad and so frustrating re school shootings.
Seems no way to predict but certainly kids teens shouldn’t have access to their parents or any guns
I am seeing in NYC numerous people out after gun (usually illegal) possession. NYC has high restrictions on guns but that doesn’t help if no consequences

[swamp]

WaPo is reporting 4 dead and 9 taken to the hospital.  

[swamp]

More than 383,000 students have experienced gun violence at school since Columbine


By John Woodrow Cox, Steven Rich, Lucas Trevor, John Muyskens and Monica Ulmanu

There were more school shootings in 2022 — 46 — than in any year since at least 1999.



Beyond the dead and wounded, children who witness the violence or cower behind locked doors to hide from it can be profoundly traumatized.



The federal government does not track school shootings, so The Washington Post has spent years tracking how many children in the United States have been exposed to gun violence during school hours since the Columbine High massacre in 1999.



Huh.  I wonder why the feds don't keep track of school shootings?  They keep track of everything else...........

[pulmonarymd]

Could it be that Congress prevents the CDC to do any research on gun violence?

[swamp]

Sept 4, 2024 13:53:42 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Could it be that Congress prevents the CDC to do any research on gun violence?

naw, that can't be it! 

[Opti]

Sept 4, 2024 13:42:31 GMT -5 swamp said:

More than 383,000 students have experienced gun violence at school since Columbine


By John Woodrow Cox, Steven Rich, Lucas Trevor, John Muyskens and Monica Ulmanu

There were more school shootings in 2022 — 46 — than in any year since at least 1999.



Beyond the dead and wounded, children who witness the violence or cower behind locked doors to hide from it can be profoundly traumatized.



The federal government does not track school shootings, so The Washington Post has spent years tracking how many children in the United States have been exposed to gun violence during school hours since the Columbine High massacre in 1999.



Huh.  I wonder why the feds don't keep track of school shootings?  They keep track of everything else...........

Not sure if it was ever repealed but didn't Trump make it illegal to track most gun stats? 

It would be a wonderful idea to get a law passed to track this going forward. And perhaps a commission to study the effects this has had on children. The children of the US have suffered a double whammy. Increasing gun violence in schools plus the generational trauma of bieng in school during the Pandemic. 

[pulmonarymd]

Congress prevents the CDC from doing any studies on gun violence. Has been US policy for years. Seems like gun nuts do not want to face the reality of their position

[azucena]

Read somewhere recently that graduating teachers the past couple of years are the first cohoet to have attended schools their whole lives in the school shooting era. Crazy!

[daisylu]

Sept 4, 2024 13:42:31 GMT -5 swamp said:

More than 383,000 students have experienced gun violence at school since Columbine


By John Woodrow Cox, Steven Rich, Lucas Trevor, John Muyskens and Monica Ulmanu

There were more school shootings in 2022 — 46 — than in any year since at least 1999.



Beyond the dead and wounded, children who witness the violence or cower behind locked doors to hide from it can be profoundly traumatized.



The federal government does not track school shootings, so The Washington Post has spent years tracking how many children in the United States have been exposed to gun violence during school hours since the Columbine High massacre in 1999.



Huh.  I wonder why the feds don't keep track of school shootings?  They keep track of everything else...........

On the bolded, I graduated HS 6 years before Columbine and my first child was 3 months old. Watching the footage on TV scarred me - I can not imagine what children and teenagers who witness those things firsthand go through for the rest of their lives. I would thing that the PTSD from that crippling. 

[daisylu]

Heartbreaking.

Students at Apalachee High School had gone through drills to prepare them for how to respond to a shooting on campus. On Wednesday morning, when a lockdown warning flashed in his Spanish classroom, Jose Inciarte assumed that school officials were conducting a test.



“But then we heard keys and running and screaming,” he recalled a few hours later as he left campus.



Jose, 16, and his classmates at Apalachee are part of a generation of students who have learned protocols and tactics for protecting themselves from a gunman as a regular part of their education. Still, students said on Wednesday that there was no way to anticipate the fear they felt as a shooting was actually unfolding at their school, about 50 miles from downtown Atlanta.



Isabella Albes Cardenas, an 11th grader, said she heard doors slamming shut and then what sounded like several gunshots.



“They prepare you for these things,” said Isabella, 15. “But in the moment, I started crying. I got nervous.”



Christian Scott, also in 11th grade, said he had left class and was heading to the nurse’s station. “Suddenly,” he said, “I was under lockdown.”



He could hear the gunshots, he said, “before I blocked it out.” Beds were used to barricade the doors inside the nurse’s office. He called his mother, crying.



Those moments were “living hell,” said Christian, 16.



Eventually, he made it out of the school to the football field, where he reunited with his sister, who is also a student, and his friends.

link

[swamp]

So far we have prayers from Chuck Efstration (R), the GA House Majority leader who represents the area, Rep Mike Collins (R), and Governor Kemp (R). 


Sen Raphael Warnock (D) is looking for some gun control legislation as well as offering prayers. 

[Opti]

Sept 4, 2024 14:15:17 GMT -5 azucena said:

Read somewhere recently that graduating teachers the past couple of years are the first cohoet to have attended schools their whole lives in the school shooting era. Crazy!

Yikes. 

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

As long as they are forced to be born, their health, safety and well being don't matter after that.

By god, they need to be born and we have the "god-given right" to have our guns no matter under what circumstances.

[Opti]

Give what Trump and company have been doing to Georgia and certain people there, I was not surprised. I wonder if Trump's campaign was tracking this shooter as well.

Looked at the demogrpahics of Winder, and I do wonder what happened and why. I am sad because I think Trump is going to spin this for his benefit.

Found this video of Winder and posted it in case anyone else is interested. It is four years old and does not go by the school from what I can tell.

[chiver78]

Sept 4, 2024 14:46:36 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

As long as they are forced to be born, their health, safety and well being don't matter after that.

By god, they need to be born and we have the "god-given right" to have our guns no matter under what circumstances.

scgal has said this...and not sarcastically...using different words, numerous times in more than a few different threads. these are the people we are up against.

[TheOtherMe]

All I have is throughts and prayers and do something about gun violence.  But we all know that isn't happening.  

[Tennesseer]

Not to derail the subject of this thread, the story below is about a mother who let her son drive her vehicles even though there are records of him driving the vehicles up to 140 mph hour, often in residential zones.  While once again speeding, he eventually crashed one of the vehicles killing his good friend who was in the passenger seat.  The parents of the killed young man want the mother charged too because she never took the keys away from her son even though she knew her son was a reckless driver.

Firearms and vehicles.  Deadly in the worng hands.

'Slow the f--- down': Grosse Pointe mom's texts to son may come back to haunt her

Just weeks before he killed his friend in a car crash, Grosse Pointe teenager Kiernan Tague was blasting across highways at more than 140 mph in his family's Audi sports coupe, photographing the speedometer and getting texts from his mom: "Slow the f--- down!"

According to police reports, his mom knew about his driving habits through a special safety app called Life360, and once texted him: "I have screen shots of you ... doing 123 mph ... It scares me to my bone."

But she didn't take away his keys.

Rather, she bought a faster and more powerful car, and allegedly gave him access to it: a BMW X3 M series that can reach up to 177 mph. That's what Kiernan was driving the night he lost control at 105 mph on a Grosse Pointe Farms residential street, hitting a pole and then a tree, killing his passenger: 18-year-old Flynn MacKrell, a stellar, 6-foot-4 swimmer known for his gentle ways, easy smile and shaggy red hair.

"To say this is a living hell is an understatement," Flynn's mom, Anne Vanker, said through tears in a recent interview. "My life has been ruined. My family’s life is ruined. No one should ever, ever have to lose a child like this ... I still can’t believe my son — my big calm son — is gone."

Nine months after Flynn's tragic death, his family is seeking justice: Not just for the driver's actions, but for his mom's inaction.

In yet another Michigan case that focuses on parental responsibility, MacKrell's family is asking Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy to pursue criminal charges against the driver's mom, Elizabeth Puleo-Tague — much like Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald did after the 2021 deadly mass shooting at Oxford High School: She charged the gunman's parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, who were convicted of involuntary manslaughter this year in a landmark prosecution that put parents everywhere on notice.

The Crumbleys, who bought the gun that their son, Ethan, used in his rampage, are serving 10-year prison sentences after separate juries held them responsible for the lives of four students — 16-year-old Tate Myre; 17-year-olds Madisyn Baldwin and Justin Shilling, and 14-year-old Hana St. Juliana — killed by their son. Ethan Crumbley also injured six students and a teacher.

The MacKrell family is hoping for a similar result.

Rest of article here: 'Slow the f--- down': Grosse Pointe mom's texts to son may come back to haunt her

[chiver78]

Sept 4, 2024 15:32:29 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Not to derail the subject of this thread, the story below is about a mother who let her son drive her vehicles even though there are records of him driving the vehicles up to 140 mph hour, often in residential zones.  While once again speeding, he eventually crashed one of the vehicles killing his good friend who was in the passenger seat.  The parents of the killed young man want the mother charged too because she never took the keys away from her son even though she knew her son was a reckless driver.

Firearms and vehicles.  Deadly in the worng hands.

'Slow the f--- down': Grosse Pointe mom's texts to son may come back to haunt her

Just weeks before he killed his friend in a car crash, Grosse Pointe teenager Kiernan Tague was blasting across highways at more than 140 mph in his family's Audi sports coupe, photographing the speedometer and getting texts from his mom: "Slow the f--- down!"

According to police reports, his mom knew about his driving habits through a special safety app called Life360, and once texted him: "I have screen shots of you ... doing 123 mph ... It scares me to my bone."

But she didn't take away his keys.

Rather, she bought a faster and more powerful car, and allegedly gave him access to it: a BMW X3 M series that can reach up to 177 mph. That's what Kiernan was driving the night he lost control at 105 mph on a Grosse Pointe Farms residential street, hitting a pole and then a tree, killing his passenger: 18-year-old Flynn MacKrell, a stellar, 6-foot-4 swimmer known for his gentle ways, easy smile and shaggy red hair.

"To say this is a living hell is an understatement," Flynn's mom, Anne Vanker, said through tears in a recent interview. "My life has been ruined. My family’s life is ruined. No one should ever, ever have to lose a child like this ... I still can’t believe my son — my big calm son — is gone."

Nine months after Flynn's tragic death, his family is seeking justice: Not just for the driver's actions, but for his mom's inaction.

In yet another Michigan case that focuses on parental responsibility, MacKrell's family is asking Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy to pursue criminal charges against the driver's mom, Elizabeth Puleo-Tague — much like Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald did after the 2021 deadly mass shooting at Oxford High School: She charged the gunman's parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, who were convicted of involuntary manslaughter this year in a landmark prosecution that put parents everywhere on notice.

The Crumbleys, who bought the gun that their son, Ethan, used in his rampage, are serving 10-year prison sentences after separate juries held them responsible for the lives of four students — 16-year-old Tate Myre; 17-year-olds Madisyn Baldwin and Justin Shilling, and 14-year-old Hana St. Juliana — killed by their son. Ethan Crumbley also injured six students and a teacher.

The MacKrell family is hoping for a similar result.

Rest of article here: 'Slow the f--- down': Grosse Pointe mom's texts to son may come back to haunt her

may the defendants mother never discover transcripts from Commonwealth (MA) vs Karen Read, where the prosecution argued that Life360 wasn't reliable since it contradicted the testimony given by prosecution witnesses and actually put them at the scene of the cover up *cough* I mean crime scene.

[soupandstew]

I have an acquaintance who blogged after her daughter survived a Texas school shooting and I can guarantee the survivors and their families are damaged forever.  No, you can't just "get over it" and move on, neither child nor parent.  Watching your friends and teachers suffer and some die isn't something you can just turn a dial and erase like a toy. The whole family was and is damaged and that can't be undone ever.  Among other little offshoots of the experience, my friend will probably never be a grandparent because her kids, now young adults, have vowed never to have children.  Can you blame them?

[daisylu]

Sept 4, 2024 15:35:35 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Sept 4, 2024 15:32:29 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Not to derail the subject of this thread, the story below is about a mother who let her son drive her vehicles even though there are records of him driving the vehicles up to 140 mph hour, often in residential zones.  While once again speeding, he eventually crashed one of the vehicles killing his good friend who was in the passenger seat.  The parents of the killed young man want the mother charged too because she never took the keys away from her son even though she knew her son was a reckless driver.

Firearms and vehicles.  Deadly in the worng hands.

'Slow the f--- down': Grosse Pointe mom's texts to son may come back to haunt her

Just weeks before he killed his friend in a car crash, Grosse Pointe teenager Kiernan Tague was blasting across highways at more than 140 mph in his family's Audi sports coupe, photographing the speedometer and getting texts from his mom: "Slow the f--- down!"

According to police reports, his mom knew about his driving habits through a special safety app called Life360, and once texted him: "I have screen shots of you ... doing 123 mph ... It scares me to my bone."

But she didn't take away his keys.

Rather, she bought a faster and more powerful car, and allegedly gave him access to it: a BMW X3 M series that can reach up to 177 mph. That's what Kiernan was driving the night he lost control at 105 mph on a Grosse Pointe Farms residential street, hitting a pole and then a tree, killing his passenger: 18-year-old Flynn MacKrell, a stellar, 6-foot-4 swimmer known for his gentle ways, easy smile and shaggy red hair.

"To say this is a living hell is an understatement," Flynn's mom, Anne Vanker, said through tears in a recent interview. "My life has been ruined. My family’s life is ruined. No one should ever, ever have to lose a child like this ... I still can’t believe my son — my big calm son — is gone."

Nine months after Flynn's tragic death, his family is seeking justice: Not just for the driver's actions, but for his mom's inaction.

In yet another Michigan case that focuses on parental responsibility, MacKrell's family is asking Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy to pursue criminal charges against the driver's mom, Elizabeth Puleo-Tague — much like Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald did after the 2021 deadly mass shooting at Oxford High School: She charged the gunman's parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, who were convicted of involuntary manslaughter this year in a landmark prosecution that put parents everywhere on notice.

The Crumbleys, who bought the gun that their son, Ethan, used in his rampage, are serving 10-year prison sentences after separate juries held them responsible for the lives of four students — 16-year-old Tate Myre; 17-year-olds Madisyn Baldwin and Justin Shilling, and 14-year-old Hana St. Juliana — killed by their son. Ethan Crumbley also injured six students and a teacher.

The MacKrell family is hoping for a similar result.

Rest of article here: 'Slow the f--- down': Grosse Pointe mom's texts to son may come back to haunt her

may the defendants mother never discover transcripts from Commonwealth (MA) vs Karen Read, where the prosecution argued that Life360 wasn't reliable since it contradicted the testimony given by prosecution witnesses and actually put them at the scene of the cover up *cough* I mean crime scene.

I can't love this enough. 

[TheOtherMe]

The shooter's name is Colt.  Who names their kid after a gun?

[jerseygirl]

A14 yr old can’t possibly get a gun except for family. Hoping the family members who allowed this kid to get a gun will be prosecuted.

[thyme4change]

Sept 4, 2024 16:03:23 GMT -5 soupandstew said:

I have an acquaintance who blogged after her daughter survived a Texas school shooting and I can guarantee the survivors and their families are damaged forever.  No, you can't just "get over it" and move on, neither child nor parent.  Watching your friends and teachers suffer and some die isn't something you can just turn a dial and erase like a toy. The whole family was and is damaged and that can't be undone ever.  Among other little offshoots of the experience, my friend will probably never be a grandparent because her kids, now young adults, have vowed never to have children.  Can you blame them?

The high school near me had a lockdown - my son knew a couple students. It ended up not being a shooter - but they were all huddled behind overturned desks not knowing what was happening. They didn’t even see anyone shot and zero people were hurt - and 18 months later, those kids are still kinda messed up. I can’t imagine how you move forward after some of the shit these kids saw.

[raeoflyte]

Sept 4, 2024 18:34:47 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Sept 4, 2024 16:03:23 GMT -5 soupandstew said:

I have an acquaintance who blogged after her daughter survived a Texas school shooting and I can guarantee the survivors and their families are damaged forever.  No, you can't just "get over it" and move on, neither child nor parent.  Watching your friends and teachers suffer and some die isn't something you can just turn a dial and erase like a toy. The whole family was and is damaged and that can't be undone ever.  Among other little offshoots of the experience, my friend will probably never be a grandparent because her kids, now young adults, have vowed never to have children.  Can you blame them?

The high school near me had a lockdown - my son knew a couple students. It ended up not being a shooter - but they were all huddled behind overturned desks not knowing what was happening. They didn’t even see anyone shot and zero people were hurt - and 18 months later, those kids are still kinda messed up. I can’t imagine how you move forward after some of the shit these kids saw.

This happened at ds school. 2 hours of hiding, not knowing what is happening, and listening to the constant lock down alarm is traumatic enough. Ds wasn't at the school yet when that happened but he does lockdown drills with 800 kids who were.

[Tiny]

Sept 4, 2024 18:07:39 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

The shooter's name is Colt.  Who names their kid after a gun?

Apparently quite a few: 

www.ssa.gov/oact/babynames/index.html 
    Enter COLT   and select 1900 & Later  under the Popularity of a Name side of the screen.   

 
The chart starts with 1982.    Colt has been gain popularity since 2007.  

[daisylu]

The family was investigated just last year by the FBI for tips about possible gun violence. 

According to the father,  he has hunting guns in the home but his son did not have unsupervised access. Guess he found a way. 


link

[TheOtherMe]

He did have unsupervised access.  I hope the parents are prosecuted.