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Post by scgal on Nov 2, 2023 10:29:55 GMT -5
WTF? They're not mutually exclusive. Humans need to save the planet so that we can continue to live on it. Why is this hard to understand? You save BOTH by saving the one! Not only that, she is adamantly pro-life, yet does not care if humans live on, or the condition of the planet they live on. Talk about either complete cluelessness, hypocrisy or stupidity. Can't decide which stupidity might cover your response I never ever said I was pro life. I have several times said I wasn't prolife. You sure do fit the attacks you give |
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 2, 2023 10:33:34 GMT -5
Not only that, she is adamantly pro-life, yet does not care if humans live on, or the condition of the planet they live on. Talk about either complete cluelessness, hypocrisy or stupidity. Can't decide which stupidity might cover your response I never ever said I was pro life. I have several times said I wasn't prolife. You sure do fit the attacks you give So you're pro-choice then. Yes? |
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Post by scgal on Nov 2, 2023 10:37:42 GMT -5
stupidity might cover your response I never ever said I was pro life. I have several times said I wasn't prolife. You sure do fit the attacks you give So you're pro-choice then. Yes? nope anti abortion and pro life are not the same |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 2, 2023 10:50:06 GMT -5
So you're pro-choice then. Yes? nope anti abortion and pro life are not the same If you do not believe we have a responsibility to ensure that the life we give future generations is better(or at least not worse) than the one we have you, and that we do not have any responsibility to future generations, then why do you care if someone has decides to have an abortion. Being born into some sort of dystopian future where the air and water have been fouled by us, and the earth is not going to be able to support human life for long seems like a stupid idea. But why should I think that this nonsense would not come out of your mouth. Do we have any responsibility to future generations to try to leave them a livable planet? Yes or no? if you think any sort of regulation is nothing but a money grab, then what do we owe our children? And does that just depend on us depending on people choosing to do the right thing? You already will not give up your guns because you do not trust other people to do the right thing, yet we should trust that they will not pollute our water and air. Also, you distinction about abortion makes no sense. Why are you against it? If you do not care about the child once it is born, how does someone having an abortion affect you in any way? |
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 2, 2023 11:12:07 GMT -5
So you're pro-choice then. Yes? nope anti abortion and pro life are not the same Why are you anti-abortion? |
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Mike Johnson 'says out loud' what other white Christian nationalists feel about America: sociologistThe United State has had plenty of right-wing House speakers over the years, from Newt Gingrich (R-Georgia) to John Boehner (R-Ohio) to Paul Ryan (R-Wisconsin). And when Republicans have a majority in the U.S. House of Representatives, they typically push religious right causes like abortion and school prayer. But the New York Times' Thomas Edsall, in an essay/op-ed published by the New York Times on November 1, warns that House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-Louisiana) is especially extreme when it comes to pushing far-right "Christian nationalist" ideology. "Mike Johnson is the first person to become speaker of the House who can be fairly described as a Christian nationalist — a major development in American history in and of itself," Edsall explains. "Equally important, however, his ascension reflects the strength of white evangelical voters' influence on the House Republican caucus — =voters who are determined to use the power of government to roll back the civil rights, women's rights and sexual revolutions." Public Religion Research Institute President Robert Jones considers Johnson "the embodiment of white Christian nationalism in a tailored suit." Jones told the Times, "While Johnson is more polished than other right-wing leaders of the GOP who support this worldview, his record and previous public statements indicate that he's a near-textbook example of white Christian nationalism — the belief that God intended America to be a new promised land for European Christians." Michael Podhorzer, former political director of the AFL-CIO, is warning that Christian nationalists are determined to purge the GOP of anyone who rejects their ideology. Rest of article here: Mike Johnson 'says out loud' what other white Christian nationalists feel about America: sociologist
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Post by scgal on Nov 2, 2023 16:48:28 GMT -5
nope anti abortion and pro life are not the same Why are you anti-abortion? Do we really need to hash this out again |
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 2, 2023 16:50:18 GMT -5
Why are you anti-abortion? Do we really need to hash this out again Yup. I need to understand how you can be anti-abortion and not pro-life. |
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Post by scgal on Nov 2, 2023 16:53:12 GMT -5
nope anti abortion and pro life are not the same If you do not believe we have a responsibility to ensure that the life we give future generations is better(or at least not worse) than the one we have you, and that we do not have any responsibility to future generations, then why do you care if someone has decides to have an abortion. Being born into some sort of dystopian future where the air and water have been fouled by us, and the earth is not going to be able to support human life for long seems like a stupid idea. But why should I think that this nonsense would not come out of your mouth. Do we have any responsibility to future generations to try to leave them a livable planet? Yes or no? if you think any sort of regulation is nothing but a money grab, then what do we owe our children? And does that just depend on us depending on people choosing to do the right thing? You already will not give up your guns because you do not trust other people to do the right thing, yet we should trust that they will not pollute our water and air. Also, you distinction about abortion makes no sense. Why are you against it? If you do not care about the child once it is born, how does someone having an abortion affect you in any way? Regulation is fine as long as the repubicans introduce it. You can feel good about abortion or shall I say kill babies. I'm a little more civilized than that. |
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Post by scgal on Nov 2, 2023 16:53:47 GMT -5
Do we really need to hash this out again Yup. I need to understand how you can be anti-abortion and not pro-life. I'm sure there are alot of old posts about it |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 2, 2023 16:58:32 GMT -5
If you do not believe we have a responsibility to ensure that the life we give future generations is better(or at least not worse) than the one we have you, and that we do not have any responsibility to future generations, then why do you care if someone has decides to have an abortion. Being born into some sort of dystopian future where the air and water have been fouled by us, and the earth is not going to be able to support human life for long seems like a stupid idea. But why should I think that this nonsense would not come out of your mouth. Do we have any responsibility to future generations to try to leave them a livable planet? Yes or no? if you think any sort of regulation is nothing but a money grab, then what do we owe our children? And does that just depend on us depending on people choosing to do the right thing? You already will not give up your guns because you do not trust other people to do the right thing, yet we should trust that they will not pollute our water and air. Also, you distinction about abortion makes no sense. Why are you against it? If you do not care about the child once it is born, how does someone having an abortion affect you in any way? Regulation is fine as long as the repubicans introduce it. You can feel good about abortion or shall I say kill babies. I'm a little more civilized than that. LOL. Republicans and regulation. Might as well let industry write the regulations. They will be about as useful. Still nothing about our responsibility to future generations. You know, the ones you want to have since you do not believe in abortion. Or do they just have to deal with whatever leftover crumbs we leave them? Don't like abortion, don't have one. Let everyone else decide for themselves. You can call it whatever you want, it is a free country. Imposing your will on others is where they draw the line. Something you seem to get worked up about when it comes to guns, but when it comes to bodily autonomy, not so much. |
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Post by Opti on Nov 2, 2023 17:17:00 GMT -5
If you do not believe we have a responsibility to ensure that the life we give future generations is better(or at least not worse) than the one we have you, and that we do not have any responsibility to future generations, then why do you care if someone has decides to have an abortion. Being born into some sort of dystopian future where the air and water have been fouled by us, and the earth is not going to be able to support human life for long seems like a stupid idea. But why should I think that this nonsense would not come out of your mouth. Do we have any responsibility to future generations to try to leave them a livable planet? Yes or no? if you think any sort of regulation is nothing but a money grab, then what do we owe our children? And does that just depend on us depending on people choosing to do the right thing? You already will not give up your guns because you do not trust other people to do the right thing, yet we should trust that they will not pollute our water and air. Also, you distinction about abortion makes no sense. Why are you against it? If you do not care about the child once it is born, how does someone having an abortion affect you in any way? Regulation is fine as long as the repubicans introduce it. You can feel good about abortion or shall I say kill babies. I'm a little more civilized than that. All abortions do not kill fetuses though. Spontaneous abortions, i.e. miscarriages occur. No regulation is going to stop that nor unfortunate birth defects or in some cases water breaking before a fetus is viable. I don't feel good about killing mothers or forcing birth into situations where the baby will be abused and later killed. I see no value in that. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 2, 2023 17:22:39 GMT -5
Yup. I need to understand how you can be anti-abortion and not pro-life. I'm sure there are alot of old posts about it  You're just not special enough or worth anyone's time. You are anti-abortion and pro-life. Got it. |
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Post by tallguy on Nov 2, 2023 19:08:03 GMT -5
Do we really need to hash this out again Yup. I need to understand how you can be anti-abortion and not pro-life. "Pro-life" is a silly, stupid, meaningless, made-up term that means nothing in any real context. It was created by anti-abortion people to make themselves feel more noble. Give the poster credit for not using it. That is one of the few things that she actually gets right. |
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Post by mollyc on Nov 2, 2023 20:10:43 GMT -5
She has been very clear for at least the last year and probably longer that she isn’t pro-life but she is anti-abortion.
She thinks your options should be have the baby or don’t have sex. She doesn’t care if you keep the baby or give it up for adoption but if you keep it, you better not expect any help from the government or her.
She has been very clear that the “few” people killed in error by the government are just the price we pay to properly deal with the guilty murderers.
She has been very clear that her right to keep her property or protect herself if she “thinks” she is in danger trumps other people’s right to life. If you were just lost, oh well. Shit happens.
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Post by mollyc on Nov 2, 2023 20:13:23 GMT -5
I know a number of people who worry about climate change, not because of humans, but because of the thousand of less adaptive creatures and plants that will die off before us. That is who they mean when they say they want to save the world.
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Post by moon/Laura on Nov 3, 2023 7:43:27 GMT -5
If you do not believe we have a responsibility to ensure that the life we give future generations is better(or at least not worse) than the one we have you, and that we do not have any responsibility to future generations, then why do you care if someone has decides to have an abortion. Being born into some sort of dystopian future where the air and water have been fouled by us, and the earth is not going to be able to support human life for long seems like a stupid idea. But why should I think that this nonsense would not come out of your mouth. Do we have any responsibility to future generations to try to leave them a livable planet? Yes or no? if you think any sort of regulation is nothing but a money grab, then what do we owe our children? And does that just depend on us depending on people choosing to do the right thing? You already will not give up your guns because you do not trust other people to do the right thing, yet we should trust that they will not pollute our water and air. Also, you distinction about abortion makes no sense. Why are you against it? If you do not care about the child once it is born, how does someone having an abortion affect you in any way? . You can feel good about abortion or shall I say kill babies. I'm a little more civilized than that.
bless your heart
ps. I *highly*doubt that any woman "feels good" about having an abortion. They're not out there celebrating that they had one. But you go ahead an imagine that they are, so that it fits your holier-than-thou narrative. You know, the one that doesn't care how the child is brought up in poverty and potentially without love because mom was forced into having it and she's resentful. As long as that fertilized egg is forced to become an actual baby, who gives a fuck about what happens after, right??! So, no. You are NOT "more civilized than that". Not even close.
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 3, 2023 8:28:59 GMT -5
If you do not believe we have a responsibility to ensure that the life we give future generations is better(or at least not worse) than the one we have you, and that we do not have any responsibility to future generations, then why do you care if someone has decides to have an abortion. Being born into some sort of dystopian future where the air and water have been fouled by us, and the earth is not going to be able to support human life for long seems like a stupid idea. But why should I think that this nonsense would not come out of your mouth. Do we have any responsibility to future generations to try to leave them a livable planet? Yes or no? if you think any sort of regulation is nothing but a money grab, then what do we owe our children? And does that just depend on us depending on people choosing to do the right thing? You already will not give up your guns because you do not trust other people to do the right thing, yet we should trust that they will not pollute our water and air. Also, you distinction about abortion makes no sense. Why are you against it? If you do not care about the child once it is born, how does someone having an abortion affect you in any way? You can feel good about abortion or shall I say kill babies. I'm a little more civilized than that. WTH? |
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Post by mollyanna58 on Nov 3, 2023 10:55:24 GMT -5
Getting back on topic of the original dumbass, Johnson does not list any checking or savings accounts on his required financial disclosures; or many assets at all. www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/11/mike-johnson-financial-disclosuresThe Daily Beast reports that in financial disclosures dating back to 2016, the year he joined Congress, Johnson never reported having a savings or checking account in his name, his spouse’s name, or in the name of any of his children. In his latest filing, which covers last year, he doesn’t list a single asset either. Which, given that he made more than $200,000 last year—in addition to his wife’s salary—is more than a little odd. |
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Post by dondubble on Nov 3, 2023 12:31:05 GMT -5
So you're pro-choice then. Yes? nope anti abortion and pro life are not the same I would guess most sentient beings would disagree. But this is my take. You are opposed to abortion so support forced birth. But NOT pro-life once the baby is born. No surprise as I have seen your team opposed to those initiatives that aid the health and well being of children. So no Child Tax Credit to keep them out of poverty. Cutbacks in SNAP and school lunch programs. 14 million children have food insecurity. The typical “not pro-life” stance of you and your party. |
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Nov 3, 2023 14:35:50 GMT -5
Regulation is fine as long as the repubicans introduce it. You can feel good about abortion or shall I say kill babies. I'm a little more civilized than that. LOL. Republicans and regulation. Might as well let industry write the regulations. They will be about as useful. Still nothing about our responsibility to future generations. You know, the ones you want to have since you do not believe in abortion. Or do they just have to deal with whatever leftover crumbs we leave them? Don't like abortion, don't have one. Let everyone else decide for themselves. You can call it whatever you want, it is a free country. Imposing your will on others is where they draw the line. Something you seem to get worked up about when it comes to guns, but when it comes to bodily autonomy, not so much. This is what I don't get. If you think it's a sin don't get one. Seems simple enough.  God is going to sort it all out right? |
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Post by scgal on Nov 5, 2023 20:36:41 GMT -5
nope anti abortion and pro life are not the same I would guess most sentient beings would disagree. But this is my take. You are opposed to abortion so support forced birth. But NOT pro-life once the baby is born. No surprise as I have seen your team opposed to those initiatives that aid the health and well being of children. So no Child Tax Credit to keep them out of poverty. Cutbacks in SNAP and school lunch programs. 14 million children have food insecurity. The typical “not pro-life” stance of you and your party. Not at all. I'm in favor of alot of state benefits for children, especially for health and well being. You seem to be very ill informed about non pro-life. |
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Post by scgal on Nov 5, 2023 20:40:21 GMT -5
LOL. Republicans and regulation. Might as well let industry write the regulations. They will be about as useful. Still nothing about our responsibility to future generations. You know, the ones you want to have since you do not believe in abortion. Or do they just have to deal with whatever leftover crumbs we leave them? Don't like abortion, don't have one. Let everyone else decide for themselves. You can call it whatever you want, it is a free country. Imposing your will on others is where they draw the line. Something you seem to get worked up about when it comes to guns, but when it comes to bodily autonomy, not so much. This is what I don't get. If you think it's a sin don't get one. Seems simple enough. God is going to sort it all out right? It is not a religious thing for me. I don't fall into that category. I'm not imposing my will at all. There are all sorts of laws for a persons life banning elective non medical necessary abortion should be one of them. |
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Post by saveinla on Nov 5, 2023 21:09:24 GMT -5
This is what I don't get. If you think it's a sin don't get one. Seems simple enough. God is going to sort it all out right? It is not a religious thing for me. I don't fall into that category. I'm not imposing my will at all. There are all sorts of laws for a persons life banning elective non medical necessary abortion should be one of them. How about putting a law that no one can get abortion because you oppose it , not imposing your will? Please explain. The law is not very clear and many women have lost their life or have no chance of having any more babies after complications from unviable fetuses not being aborted. Given that there are 100s of complications that can happen during child birth - how can you say there are all sorts of laws - especially if there are also laws that say the provider will be jailed if they do anything that could help abort the baby. |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 5, 2023 21:09:52 GMT -5
Well, if we are giving opinions on what should be illegal, let’s ban all guns. Seems to be as important as banning abortions, if we are going to save “lives”. Oh, that’s right, you don’t care about life once it is born.
Now, tell us what you think these children you would force to be born are entitled to. Enlighten us
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 5, 2023 21:11:14 GMT -5
It is not a religious thing for me. I don't fall into that category. I'm not imposing my will at all. There are all sorts of laws for a persons life banning elective non medical necessary abortion should be one of them. How about putting a law that no one can get abortion because you oppose it , not imposing your will? Please explain. The law is not very clear and many women have lost their life or have no chance of having any more babies after complications from unviable fetuses not being aborted. Given that there are 100s of complications that can happen during child birth - how can you say there are all sorts of laws - especially if there are also laws that say the provider will be jailed if they do anything that could help abort the baby. She doesn’t believe this happens. She thinks doctors are worried for no reason, and aren’t courageous enough |
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Post by busymom on Nov 5, 2023 21:55:25 GMT -5
Yup. I need to understand how you can be anti-abortion and not pro-life. "Pro-life" is a silly, stupid, meaningless, made-up term that means nothing in any real context. It was created by anti-abortion people to make themselves feel more noble. Give the poster credit for not using it. That is one of the few things that she actually gets right. Pro-life is a lie. They do nothing to protect the life of the mother in an emergency. |
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Post by countrygirl2 on Nov 5, 2023 22:36:51 GMT -5
You will see more moms like me. have a child with Williams Syndrone and medical issues. We are still caring for her, she is 52, I am 77. I'm tired but I know the care she will get is not going to be good, so we are keeping her long as we can. I am trying to get my husband to move to Washington state to be near our son. Not for him to personally supply her with care but just to oversee it so they know she has some human being in the world that cares for her. DIL will too.
So what happens to all the babies like her? When she was born they had no way of knowing if something was wrong. If I had know or been able to have a test telling me when I was just a few weeks pregnant, yes I would have done something. Now its even worse, there are millions of "kids" like her parents are still caring for. Indiana has all kinds of primary caregivers over the age of 80 still trying to care for them at home. My caseworker tells me there is a huge shortage of caregivers, they can't find enough. Indiana repubs don't want to pay anything even nursing homes are closing down with the boomers needing care. So we are going to have both hit at once. And now we want to add more like this. The hospitals are going to be overwhelmed, the state already is. The parents can't afford it, we are just fortunate we can.
I was depending on hubs to care for her longer as I have health issues. Well surprise a month or two ago we found out he has prostrate cancer. Yes, he had surgery but it turned out to be more invasive than the scans showed. So now here I am, 77, not fabulous health, caring for her and helping care for hubs too. We will know in 3 weeks if they got his PSA to 0. And that doesn't mean it is gone, the surgeon did what he can, 3 out of 6 lymph glands had cancer, he had removed those, the margins had cancer he burnt them. So not sure of the outlook we have. I don't tell him, I am being positive but personally I don't think it looks good. How long can I care for both?
All I'm saying is there is soooo much more involved in an abortion. There is all the future care and money needed to care for them. and yes there will be even more disabled babies because the states that are saying docs can do nothing or lose their livelihoods are also losing gyns and other docs. So care for moms is going to get worse. In Indiana they can go to Illinois for help but in the southern rural area we are in moms were coming to Indiana to be delivered. Now what happens. It's simple to say I don't believe in abortion.
But you better damn well understand all the implications. Back to women dying in childbirth, look at the old cemeteries pre abortion. Babies dying at birth or living with horrible disabilites but probably not for long in many cases and dying with horrible suffering and pain. But oh yeah, make them have them, be damned for the aftermath. Anybody that votes repub needs to have their damned heads examined. To me this is a very hot topic and the future ramifications are going to be horrible if this becomes the law of the land. Watch out Hand Maidens Tale is almost here. Enough rambling, this topic really makes me hot.
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Post by Opti on Nov 6, 2023 6:54:36 GMT -5
This is what I don't get. If you think it's a sin don't get one. Seems simple enough. God is going to sort it all out right? It is not a religious thing for me. I don't fall into that category. I'm not imposing my will at all. There are all sorts of laws for a persons life banning elective non medical necessary abortion should be one of them. You are imposing your will on others and that's borderline heinous as you don't have to live with the consequences. Pure elective abortions are banned in the third trimester in most states, maybe all. Many already have bans to viability or before. Really most forced birthers are under the false belief that most abortions are elective instead of for medical reasons so they are trying to make us a third world country in maternal care just for their feels. That is heinous and unacceptable to me. Truth is the forced birther official position has changed to they don't have to care what happens after the baby is born which shows how much this is about feels and control and how little of it is about saving lives. Allegedly one of the reasons for stopping some entries at the border is rapists and criminals yet these same folks have no problem with forcing a woman or female child to carry rapist and criminal genes to term because of their feels. There are more birth defects and things that go wrong in pregnancy than you will probably ever know. Abortion is a necessary medical procedure and should remain so. There are thousands of stories you never hear about needed abortions because almost all of the women and their partners wanted the child. Many eventually successfully have children, but you want to deny them this because of your feels. |
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