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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 20, 2023 11:33:35 GMT -5
the 25 who did NOT vote for Jordan should tell him that they will abstain if he doesn't bow out. that would put the fear of God in him.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 20, 2023 11:46:14 GMT -5
the 25 who did NOT vote for Jordan should tell him that they will abstain if he doesn't bow out. that would put the fear of God in him. If I understand this correctly, that would lower the total number of votes that represent 50% and hand the Speakership to Jeffries if he gets the 212 Democratic votes. True? |
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Post by tallguy on Oct 20, 2023 11:55:06 GMT -5
the 25 who did NOT vote for Jordan should tell him that they will abstain if he doesn't bow out. that would put the fear of God in him. If I understand this correctly, that would lower the total number of votes that represent 50% and hand the Speakership to Jeffries if he gets the 212 Democratic votes. True? Yes. |
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 20, 2023 12:05:44 GMT -5
the 25 who did NOT vote for Jordan should tell him that they will abstain if he doesn't bow out. that would put the fear of God in him. If I understand this correctly, that would lower the total number of votes that represent 50% and hand the Speakership to Jeffries if he gets the 212 Democratic votes. True? That would be fucking amazing. |
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Post by resolution on Oct 20, 2023 12:09:05 GMT -5
I bet if the other republicans take them up on this, they will back out of it when the time comes for consequences.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 20, 2023 12:12:07 GMT -5
I bet if the other republicans take them up on this, they will back out of it when the time comes for consequences. Public execution would suffice for me. In advance...before the vote. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 20, 2023 14:17:55 GMT -5
that sounds like a fair reward.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 20, 2023 14:51:25 GMT -5
Apparently a secret ballot in conference stripped Jordan of Republican support. He is no longer their nominee. Good for them.  Now to see what they do next. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 20, 2023 14:59:28 GMT -5
Apparently a secret ballot in conference stripped Jordan of Republican support. He is no longer their nominee. Good for them. Now to see what they do next. The brains (or lack there of) behind it all: Marjorie Taylor Greene.  |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 20, 2023 15:56:23 GMT -5
they would be WISEST to find a candidate that would garner Democratic support. that would be a game changer for the GOP.
the second best move would be kicking it down the road by empowering the pro-tem speaker.
i would put the odds heavily on the latter choice.
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Post by laterbloomer on Oct 20, 2023 17:34:01 GMT -5
Why would they do that? What are they expecting Jim to do? |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 20, 2023 17:50:53 GMT -5
are we allowed to post pornography, here?
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Oct 20, 2023 19:05:00 GMT -5
Can’t the House just vote to make the current temporary speaker the Speaker of the House?
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Post by tallguy on Oct 20, 2023 19:27:40 GMT -5
Can’t the House just vote to make the current temporary speaker the Speaker of the House? He has gotten a few votes here and there, but they would need to coalesce behind him, nominate him, and then get 50%+ of the votes. And assuming he even wants the job full-time. There is nothing precluding the GOP caucus from doing that, but it is still the same process. There is some support for expanding his temporary powers, but that is still not the same as having a permanent Speaker in place. |
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 20, 2023 19:37:40 GMT -5
My husband theorizes that KM will use today’s developments to get back in to the speakership.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 20, 2023 22:34:21 GMT -5
My husband theorizes that KM will use today’s developments to get back in to the speakership. there is no way that Kevin can get back in without a genuine threat. ie- the GOP losing power. do we have that? |
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Post by tallguy on Oct 20, 2023 23:07:31 GMT -5
The 20+ opponents should have promised not to vote against Jordan. Let him call for a vote based on those assurances, they all surprisingly vote Present, and Jeffries becomes Speaker. They need to fully and totally repudiate the extremist far-right MAGAt wing of the party and get on with the business of the country. Jeffries would have to act in a fair rather than partisan manner to maintain support and be able to survive a new Motion To Vacate. If the Republicans try to force through another radical extremist, they will lose again. The problem is that there are enough of them that really are that f***ing stupid that they may continue to try. They are not at all interested in building anything up. They are only interested in blowing things up.
I gave my reasons back then why McCarthy should never have been elected. He certainly has no path back now. Jordan has no path to ever be Speaker. I'm not sure anyone on the GOP side can reach 217. The MAGAts will never support a sane, thinking person and the moderates will not kowtow to an extremist. Not any more.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2023 11:53:32 GMT -5
they are going to fish around for someone nobody knows. i think that is a really smart move, actually. it might actually work. try to pull a Hastert. minus the convicted felon part.  |
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 21, 2023 12:26:24 GMT -5
they are going to fish around for someone nobody knows. i think that is a really smart move, actually. it might actually work. try to pull a Hastert. minus the convicted felon part. McMorris-Rodgers? What do you think tallguy and dondub ?  |
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Post by dondubble on Oct 21, 2023 12:37:29 GMT -5
they are going to fish around for someone nobody knows. i think that is a really smart move, actually. it might actually work. try to pull a Hastert. minus the convicted felon part. McMorris-Rodgers? What do you think tallguy and dondub ? I doubt the Repo-cons would be willing to elevate a woman!😳 |
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 21, 2023 13:33:43 GMT -5
Can’t the House just vote to make the current temporary speaker the Speaker of the House? I am under the idea that the problem with McHenry is he is just McCarthy light. The Gatze 8 would have to surrender, and I am not sure there is anything in it for them. |
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 21, 2023 13:46:14 GMT -5
The 20+ opponents should have promised not to vote against Jordan. Let him call for a vote based on those assurances, they all surprisingly vote Present, and Jeffries becomes Speaker. They need to fully and totally repudiate the extremist far-right MAGAt wing of the party and get on with the business of the country. Jeffries would have to act in a fair rather than partisan manner to maintain support and be able to survive a new Motion To Vacate. If the Republicans try to force through another radical extremist, they will lose again. The problem is that there are enough of them that really are that f***ing stupid that they may continue to try. They are not at all interested in building anything up. They are only interested in blowing things up. I gave my reasons back then why McCarthy should never have been elected. He certainly has no path back now. Jordan has no path to ever be Speaker. I'm not sure anyone on the GOP side can reach 217. The MAGAts will never support a sane, thinking person and the moderates will not kowtow to an extremist. Not any more. At least I hope that the far righties have realized that no, they don’t speak for America, and no, America does not want Jordan as the Speaker. They have an inflated sense of self importance due to all the money that gets donated to them from the far right donors but that doesn’t reflect the will of the people. |
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Post by tallguy on Oct 21, 2023 13:47:19 GMT -5
they are going to fish around for someone nobody knows. i think that is a really smart move, actually. it might actually work. try to pull a Hastert. minus the convicted felon part. McMorris-Rodgers? What do you think tallguy and dondub ? She's your Representative, not mine, so you certainly know more about her than I do, but I've never been impressed. Seems like a proponent of and rubber-stamp for the "Rights for me but not for thee" crowd in the GOP. Also, the votes for not certifying the election and for Jim Jordan for Speaker are disqualifying for me. I would only support people who are for the country, not for Donald Trump. And no, it is not possible to be both. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2023 13:51:26 GMT -5
She's your Representative, not mine, so you certainly know more about her than I do, but I've never been impressed. Seems like a proponent of and rubber-stamp for the "Rights for me but not for thee" crowd in the GOP. Also, the votes for not certifying the election and for Jim Jordan for Speaker are disqualifying for me. I would only support people who are for the country, not for Donald Trump. And no, it is not possible to be both. there is at least one person running that voted to impeach Trump AND voted against Jim Jordache. that was not a typo. |
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Oct 21, 2023 14:05:17 GMT -5
Can’t the House just vote to make the current temporary speaker the Speaker of the House? I am under the idea that the problem with McHenry is he is just McCarthy light. The Gatze 8 would have to surrender, and I am not sure there is anything in it for them. If there were enough dems & reps agreeable, the Gaetz 8 might be irrelevant. |
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 24, 2023 13:22:49 GMT -5
They picked Emmer to try to win as speaker.
He voted to certify Biden after the last election so we know who won’t vote for him.
He failed to get the 217 votes he needs by 20 holdouts.
Meanwhile, nothing is getting done in the House.
Good thing nothing much is going on right now 🤬
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Post by shelley413 on Oct 24, 2023 15:42:07 GMT -5
I just got a news alert from CNN that Emmer just dropped out. The “Breaking News” is about to show up on CNN. Here we go again  . |
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 24, 2023 16:17:38 GMT -5
I just got a news alert from CNN that Emmer just dropped out. The “Breaking News” is about to show up on CNN. Here we go again . |
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