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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 5, 2023 7:12:13 GMT -5
no attempt to obscure anything was made. the number of migrants as a percentage of our population has been declining for close to a decade, and is still well below the 60 year period following the end of the Civil War. the freakout is completely unwarranted, Jersey. that is the ENTIRETY of my point. That is the wrong way to look at it. It doesn't matter the percentage of people who are in the country just how many illegals are increasing that is the real problem. That is what causes the burdeon. Failed math I see. A decreasing rate means things are improving. Too difficult a concept for conservatives I guess |
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 5, 2023 9:20:37 GMT -5
Neither did trump. Trump’s recent confession about the border wall underscores an inconvenient truthRepublicans love giving speeches about immigration, while doing nothing about the issue. When he ran for president in 2016, few of Donald Trump’s promises thrilled his supporters more than his pledge not just to build a wall on the southern border, but to force Mexico to pick up the tab. “And who’s going to pay for it?” he’d say at his rallies. The crowd would shout back joyfully, “Mexico!” It wasn’t about the money; the point was to conjure a fantasy of America standing tall and dominating our neighbor; their humiliation would be our glory. A fantasy is just what it was, as Trump now admits. At a speech in Iowa on Sunday, he blurted out the truth. “When you hear these lunatics back there,” he said, pointing at the news media, “say, ‘Trump didn’t get anything from Mexico,’ well, you know, there was no legal mechanism. I said they’re going to help fund this wall, but there was no legal mechanism. How do you go to a country, you say, ‘By the way I’m building a wall, hand us a lot of money.’” This admission — and vindication of Trump’s opponents — will not produce a wave of reflection and reassessment among his supporters. But Trump’s confession comes at the same time that his rivals for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination are trying to one-up him with their most preposterous proposals. In short, when it comes to immigration, the whole Republican Party has nothing to offer on what they claim is their single most important priority. In fact, it is not unreasonable to conclude that Republicans are actually quite happy with the immigration system just the way it is. They love giving speeches about it, making campaign ads about it, shouting about it in Congress, shaking their fists about it on television, and organizing photo-ops at the Rio Grande. They repeat the words “open borders” like a mantra, threaten to impeach the secretary of homeland security, and tell everyone who’ll listen that America is being invaded by criminals and terrorists. Rest of article here: Trump’s recent confession about the border wall underscores an inconvenient truth |
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Oct 5, 2023 9:22:39 GMT -5
We should just annex Mexico as the 51st state and not worry about any of this illegal crap anymore.  |
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Post by Tiny on Oct 5, 2023 9:28:11 GMT -5
We should just annex Mexico as the 51st state and not worry about any of this illegal crap anymore. I think a war with Mexico is part of the Republican agenda. trump wants to "invade" Mexico by sending our military there. And the rest of the Republicans want to fortify our border with Mexico (possibly using our military) with a wall and who knows what else. So, yeah, I can see the US taking over Mexico... but I don't see it becoming a State. No way no how is the Republican party going to allow it to become a State. |
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Post by tallguy on Oct 5, 2023 9:57:04 GMT -5
We should just annex Mexico as the 51st state and not worry about any of this illegal crap anymore. I think a war with Mexico is part of the Republican agenda. trump wants to "invade" Mexico by sending our military there. And the rest of the Republicans want to fortify our border with Mexico (possibly using our military) with a wall and who knows what else. So, yeah, I can see the US taking over Mexico... but I don't see it becoming a State. No way no how is the Republican party going to allow it to become a State. Yeah, I can just see the reapportionment...when Mexico suddenly gets 112 electoral votes. How often do you think they'll vote Republican after Donald Trump? |
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 5, 2023 10:09:29 GMT -5
I think a war with Mexico is part of the Republican agenda. trump wants to "invade" Mexico by sending our military there. And the rest of the Republicans want to fortify our border with Mexico (possibly using our military) with a wall and who knows what else. So, yeah, I can see the US taking over Mexico... but I don't see it becoming a State. No way no how is the Republican party going to allow it to become a State. Yeah, I can just see the reapportionment...when Mexico suddenly gets 112 electoral votes. How often do you think they'll vote Republican after Donald Trump? The GOP is winning the Cuban refugees- I am sure if Democrats continue to sleep on the job, the Republicans could convince Mexicans which way to vote. It is a very Catholic country - so they already have a strong religious, anti-abortion base. There are definitely enough negative attitudes about gay and trans people that came be exploited. Throw in meaningless statements about “family values” and the GOP could rally a fair bit of support. |
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Post by tallguy on Oct 5, 2023 10:49:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I can just see the reapportionment...when Mexico suddenly gets 112 electoral votes. How often do you think they'll vote Republican after Donald Trump? The GOP is winning the Cuban refugees- I am sure if Democrats continue to sleep on the job, the Republicans could convince Mexicans which way to vote. It is a very Catholic country - so they already have a strong religious, anti-abortion base. There are definitely enough negative attitudes about gay and trans people that came be exploited. Throw in meaningless statements about “family values” and the GOP could rally a fair bit of support. Here's a Pew study from a year ago. Granted that it is surveying Hispanic voters rather than Mexicans, but it may be as close as we get. link |
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 5, 2023 11:31:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I can just see the reapportionment...when Mexico suddenly gets 112 electoral votes. How often do you think they'll vote Republican after Donald Trump? The GOP is winning the Cuban refugees- I am sure if Democrats continue to sleep on the job, the Republicans could convince Mexicans which way to vote. It is a very Catholic country - so they already have a strong religious, anti-abortion base. There are definitely enough negative attitudes about gay and trans people that came be exploited. Throw in meaningless statements about “family values” and the GOP could rally a fair bit of support. Just yesterday. Mexico decriminalizes abortion, extending Latin American trend of widening accessMEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico's Supreme Court threw out all federal criminal penalties for abortion Wednesday, ruling that national laws prohibiting the procedure are unconstitutional and violate women's rights in a sweeping decision that extended Latin American's trend of widening abortion access. The high court ordered that abortion be removed from the federal penal code. The ruling will require the federal public health service and all federal health institutions to offer abortion to anyone who requests it. "No woman or pregnant person, nor any health worker, will be able to be punished for abortion," the Information Group for Chosen Reproduction, known by its Spanish initials GIRE, said in a statement. Some 20 Mexican states, however, still criminalize abortion. While judges in those states will have to abide by the court's decision, further legal work will be required to remove all penalties. Celebration of the ruling soon spilled out onto social media. "Today is a day of victory and justice for Mexican women!" Mexico's National Institute for Women wrote in a message on the social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter. The government organization called the decision a "big step" toward gender equality. Rest of article here: Mexico decriminalizes abortion, extending Latin American trend of widening access |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 5, 2023 16:25:49 GMT -5
no attempt to obscure anything was made. the number of migrants as a percentage of our population has been declining for close to a decade, and is still well below the 60 year period following the end of the Civil War. the freakout is completely unwarranted, Jersey. that is the ENTIRETY of my point. That is the wrong way to look at it. It doesn't matter the percentage of people who are in the country just how many illegals are increasing that is the real problem. That is what causes the burdeon. that's the wrong way to look at it. the lower their proportion of the overall population, the lower the burden. |
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Post by scgal on Oct 5, 2023 18:23:33 GMT -5
That is the wrong way to look at it. It doesn't matter the percentage of people who are in the country just how many illegals are increasing that is the real problem. That is what causes the burdeon. that's the wrong way to look at it. the lower their proportion of the overall population, the lower the burden. I thought about that, and it would be correct if where they settled was dispersed evenly let along the entry point. The entry points are being hit the hardest. Also the burden is the burden 100k illegals has to be less than 200k doesn't matter how its dispersed it is still more of a burden. I imagine that is what desantis is doing shipping them to the democrats and let them have the burden. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 5, 2023 20:19:14 GMT -5
that's the wrong way to look at it. the lower their proportion of the overall population, the lower the burden. I thought about that, and it would be correct if where they settled was dispersed evenly let along the entry point. The entry points are being hit the hardest. that is why they get more federal money than they give. well, it is one of the reasons. the other is that incomes are lower in MOST of the border states. but you are not in a border state, right? i am. so i should be bitching louder than you, right? |
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Post by Opti on Oct 13, 2023 0:04:08 GMT -5
Ah, posted here too. I suppose only in the conspiracy stories of the Right would an organization which is the government of the Gaza strip would ignore their centuries long desire for ancestral lands next door and instead cross oceans to wreak havoc.
So why isn't Hamas also attacking Australia, or Japan. An American soldier recently ran over the border to North Korea. Any RW conspiracy theory fan fic you can write that places Hamas there?
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Oct 13, 2023 0:33:28 GMT -5
Ah, posted here too. I suppose only in the conspiracy stories of the Right would an organization which is the government of the Gaza strip would ignore their centuries long desire for ancestral lands next door and instead cross oceans to wreak havoc. So why isn't Hamas also attacking Australia, or Japan. An American soldier recently ran over the border to North Korea. Any RW conspiracy theory fan fic you can write that places Hamas there? Probably because they have strict laws on illegals entering their country. Maybe they take illegals more seriously unlike us. I bet they don''t put them up in hotels and give them free plane rides to any city they want. |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 13, 2023 0:58:29 GMT -5
If we are so worried about illegals, maybe congress should work on immigration reform. Oh, I forgot, congress can’t do anything because they font have a speaker.
Maybe if republicans actually wanted to do things they would actually work to pass laws, instead of looking like they are dysfunctional idiots
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Post by Opti on Oct 13, 2023 6:01:49 GMT -5
Ah, posted here too. I suppose only in the conspiracy stories of the Right would an organization which is the government of the Gaza strip would ignore their centuries long desire for ancestral lands next door and instead cross oceans to wreak havoc. So why isn't Hamas also attacking Australia, or Japan. An American soldier recently ran over the border to North Korea. Any RW conspiracy theory fan fic you can write that places Hamas there? Probably because they have strict laws on illegals entering their country. Maybe they take illegals more seriously unlike us. I bet they don''t put them up in hotels and give them free plane rides to any city they want. Hamas isn't here because they want Jerusalem. Yes some refugees get put up in hotels. Some are living in the streets near police stations etc. because there isn't enough room or funds for hotels and shelters. The US picks where they are going if they are flown somewhere. You must be listening to lying RW pundits if you think they have a choice of anywhere in the country. I wonder if they have any choice at all and whether they are just told we have an opening in sometown, MN etc. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 13, 2023 9:53:01 GMT -5
no, it makes YOU wonder that. it doesn't make me wonder that, at all. i worry mostly about domestic terrorists. angry white men who spend time worrying about Mexicans......wait......oh oh..... |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 13, 2023 9:54:44 GMT -5
Ah, posted here too. I suppose only in the conspiracy stories of the Right would an organization which is the government of the Gaza strip would ignore their centuries long desire for ancestral lands next door and instead cross oceans to wreak havoc. So why isn't Hamas also attacking Australia, or Japan. An American soldier recently ran over the border to North Korea. Any RW conspiracy theory fan fic you can write that places Hamas there? Probably because they have strict laws on illegals entering their country. Maybe they take illegals more seriously unlike us. I bet they don''t put them up in hotels and give them free plane rides to any city they want. nope. their laws are nearly identical to ours. Australia and Japan have the advantage of an ocean border. that limits migrants considerably. |
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Oct 15, 2023 20:27:24 GMT -5
The Department of Homeland Security confirmed these individuals could pose “a national security risk to the United States or its interests.”
"Under Trump, Americans saw the lowest rate of illegal immigration in over 40 years. Under Biden, we have seen the highest rate of illegal immigration over 60 years.
General Michael Flynn, who has personally witnessed the problem, describes the situation under Biden as a “mass invasion” that is “out of control.”
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Post by tallguy on Oct 15, 2023 21:45:33 GMT -5
The Department of Homeland Security confirmed these individuals could pose “a national security risk to the United States or its interests.”
"Under Trump, Americans saw the lowest rate of illegal immigration in over 40 years. Under Biden, we have seen the highest rate of illegal immigration over 60 years.
General Michael Flynn, who has personally witnessed the problem, describes the situation under Biden as a “mass invasion” that is “out of control.”
The same disgraced, convicted of lying to the FBI, QAnon-supporting, foreign agent and Soviet asset Trump-acolyte Michael Flynn? That one? That's who you want us to take seriously as a political commentator on an issue? And you still can't find an unbiased, factual website to quote from? |
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Post by Opti on Oct 15, 2023 21:47:05 GMT -5
American Insider is a RW media that pushes an agenda. I notice there is no proof or stats for their claims. I did find stats from Statista and there are others. Weirdly during Trump's presidency, I only saw a big spike in 2019 of turning people away from the southern border, about double of other years around it. Not huge differences for the north or the other border they mentioned. It did not go past 2020, so hard to know what's really happened after. Because of Covid, things should have not spiked until sometime in 2022. 2021 should have been below average and I think 2023 is definitely above average.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Oct 15, 2023 22:40:43 GMT -5
The Department of Homeland Security confirmed these individuals could pose “a national security risk to the United States or its interests.”
"Under Trump, Americans saw the lowest rate of illegal immigration in over 40 years. Under Biden, we have seen the highest rate of illegal immigration over 60 years.
General Michael Flynn, who has personally witnessed the problem, describes the situation under Biden as a “mass invasion” that is “out of control.”
The same disgraced, convicted of lying to the FBI, QAnon-supporting, foreign agent and Soviet asset Trump-acolyte Michael Flynn? That one? That's who you want us to take seriously as a political commentator on an issue? And you still can't find an unbiased, factual website to quote from? There's no disclaimer banner flashing the top of the web page saying "Caution - this is a liberal or conservative news site"" but I guess there should be. All media is biased. Just seem conservative sites better report things like this. |
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Post by tallguy on Oct 15, 2023 23:02:34 GMT -5
The same disgraced, convicted of lying to the FBI, QAnon-supporting, foreign agent and Soviet asset Trump-acolyte Michael Flynn? That one? That's who you want us to take seriously as a political commentator on an issue? And you still can't find an unbiased, factual website to quote from? There's no disclaimer banner flashing the top of the web page saying "Caution - this is a liberal or conservative news site"" but I guess there should be. All media is biased. Just seem conservative sites better report things like this. No, not all media is biased, or at least some try very hard not to be. Some even succeed at it. Regardless, it is very easy to tell bias when you see it, unless one is so uninformed that they have no idea what the truth is and so ignorant of language that they do not recognize "loaded" words and phrases. Conservative sites better sensationalize and distort things like this. Please do not think that is actual reporting. Reporting has a duty to be accurate and fair. I am aware of NO conservative websites that prioritize either of those. |
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Post by dondubble on Oct 15, 2023 23:31:23 GMT -5
The Department of Homeland Security confirmed these individuals could pose “a national security risk to the United States or its interests.”
"Under Trump, Americans saw the lowest rate of illegal immigration in over 40 years. Under Biden, we have seen the highest rate of illegal immigration over 60 years.
General Michael Flynn, who has personally witnessed the problem, describes the situation under Biden as a “mass invasion” that is “out of control.”
The CATO Institute disagrees. www.cato.org/blog/president-trump-reduced-legal-immigration-he-did-not-reduce-illegal-immigration |
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Post by Opti on Oct 16, 2023 5:59:23 GMT -5
There's no disclaimer banner flashing the top of the web page saying "Caution - this is a liberal or conservative news site"" but I guess there should be. All media is biased. Just seem conservative sites better report things like this. No, not all media is biased, or at least some try very hard not to be. Some even succeed at it. Regardless, it is very easy to tell bias when you see it, unless one is so uninformed that they have no idea what the truth is and so ignorant of language that they do not recognize "loaded" words and phrases. Conservative sites better sensationalize and distort things like this. Please do not think that is actual reporting. Reporting has a duty to be accurate and fair. I am aware of NO conservative websites that prioritize either of those. Agreed. Conservative sites write more content on illegal migration, but it is rare that actual reporting of the situation happens there. They've learned they get engaged readers by just writing things that scare them. Some don't even try to be accurate or show their work. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 16, 2023 10:10:26 GMT -5
someone recently pointed out that the planeload of "illegals" that were sent to Martha's Vineyard were not UNDOCUMENTED. they had documents. the document was a request for asylum and a scheduled hearing for it.
so, the next time you hear someone claim that, you can just call it bullshit. an asylum request and a scheduled hearing is documentation.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 16, 2023 10:54:33 GMT -5
that's the wrong way to look at it. the lower their proportion of the overall population, the lower the burden. I thought about that, and it would be correct if where they settled was dispersed evenly let along the entry point. The entry points are being hit the hardest. Also the burden is the burden 100k illegals has to be less than 200k doesn't matter how its dispersed it is still more of a burden. I imagine that is what desantis is doing shipping them to the democrats and let them have the burden. California and Texas have the most immigrants - probably around 1/3rd of the undocumented peoples. But after that, it is kinda spread all over. New York and Illinois have a lot - but I suspect a lot of undocumented people in those areas overstayed Visas - as the southern border is pretty far away. Florida probably wouldn’t be super protected by a wall - maybe they need additional coast guard. |
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