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Post by ripvanwinkle on Sept 20, 2023 23:10:12 GMT -5
I'll bet you are yearning for the tremendously anti-immigrant days of Donald Trump...when deportations were FAR lower than they were under Barack Obama. Aren't you?  I just want a secure border. Where everybody who wants in follows the rules. And doesn't become a economic burden to our society in any way. Follow the law. The Immigration Act of 1990 establishes an annual limit of 700,000 visas for quota-restricted immigrants. |
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Post by dondubble on Sept 20, 2023 23:30:04 GMT -5
I'll bet you are yearning for the tremendously anti-immigrant days of Donald Trump...when deportations were FAR lower than they were under Barack Obama. Aren't you? I just want a secure border. Where everybody who wants in follows the rules. And doesn't become an economic burden to our society in any way. Follow the law. The Immigration Act of 1990 establishes an annual limit of 700,000 visas for quota-restricted immigrants. Economic burden? We receive billions in tax revenue. And all those businesses that hire them, that you never mention, scoop huge profits for their businesses. And none of your team has ever done a damn thing in the 50 years I’ve followed this issue except King Conservative himself, Ronald Reagan and his amnesty. |
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Post by tallguy on Sept 20, 2023 23:35:37 GMT -5
Because trying to actually solve the problem (rather than just keep it alive as an issue to run on) would require going after the employers with serious sanctions and criminal charges. Illegal immigration is FAR more important to Republicans as a campaign issue than anything else. They don't WANT to fix it. They have NEVER wanted to fix it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2023 2:03:24 GMT -5
Hmmm...The border is not open. Looks like it to me. OR this And this - A illegal got deported earlier and came back, given a court date of 2025 and then killed someone.
Yes Biden and Mayorkas the border is closed.
they never claimed it was closed. that would be a violation of international law, i believe. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2023 2:06:44 GMT -5
I'll bet you are yearning for the tremendously anti-immigrant days of Donald Trump...when deportations were FAR lower than they were under Barack Obama. Aren't you? I just want a secure border. Where everybody who wants in follows the rules. And doesn't become a economic burden to our society in any way. Follow the law. The Immigration Act of 1990 establishes an annual limit of 700,000 visas for quota-restricted immigrants. i am not familiar with that last term. guessing that does not include refugees, amnesty applicants, and asylum seekers, right? how do you propose we have a secure border, rip? |
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Post by Opti on Sept 21, 2023 2:32:29 GMT -5
Hmmm...The border is not open. Looks like it to me. OR this And this - A illegal got deported earlier and came back, given a court date of 2025 and then killed someone.
Yes Biden and Mayorkas the border is closed.
Look, where there is border wall there still is border wall. That hasn't changed simply because Trump lost the election. We are past the Covid era restrictions so there is pent up demand, however, showing up at the border does not guarantee staying here. People circumvented proper procedure when Trump was President and during other Presidencies. Its self-serving and ignorant to forget that is true. No country's border is binary - open or closed. The border is as open or closed as it was during Trump's presidency before Covid hit. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2023 7:56:14 GMT -5
i hate to be the guy that constantly repeats things, but....
The current net migration rate for U.S. in 2023 is 2.748 per 1000 population, a 1.29% decline from 2022. The net migration rate for U.S. in 2022 was 2.784 per 1000 population, a 1.28% decline from 2021. The net migration rate for U.S. in 2021 was 2.820 per 1000 population, a 1.3% decline from 2020.
the math says that number is 916000. assuming rip is correct, that is a maximum of 216,000 "other". that would explain why we have so many deportations.
aka- the US is probably simply complying with the law, as cruel as it may be.
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Post by scgal on Sept 21, 2023 8:45:13 GMT -5
Undocumented immigrants are not wrongly called illegal aliens. Being undocumented is an illegal states hence they are illegals. Undertermined is an is illegal until documentation is proven. Everyone and I mean everyone without a documented status is illegal. The only reason why this is such a hard concept is that it is not politically correct to say. It would help if people grew a damn backbone. it is not a hard concept, it is simply wrong. but again, i am done arguing with you about this. i get your point. i just fervently disagree, scgal . let's try to discuss something that is less impenetrable. WHY do you care about this issue? Because if we are not going to call it correctly and make is sound like its somthing minor the problem will never make any good headway. Undocumented sounds like a paperwork snafu calling them illegal means your not allowed here until you can fufill our requirements to change your status. I hope that helps |
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Post by tbop77 on Sept 21, 2023 9:37:17 GMT -5
I'll bet you are yearning for the tremendously anti-immigrant days of Donald Trump...when deportations were FAR lower than they were under Barack Obama. Aren't you? I just want a secure border. Where everybody who wants in follows the rules. And doesn't become a economic burden to our society in any way. Follow the law. The Immigration Act of 1990 establishes an annual limit of 700,000 visas for quota-restricted immigrants. Ever heard of this bill? Nah, I didn't think so. YOUR PARTY DOES NOT WANT THE BORDER SECURE. Whatever would they have to rile you up and fundraise about. House Representatives Veronica Escobar (D-TX) and Maria Elvira Salazar (R-FL) recently introduced the Dignity Act of 2023, a comprehensive and bipartisan immigration bill, with the goals of stopping illegal immigration, providing a solution for undocumented immigrants currently in the United States, strengthening the American workforce, and growing the U.S. economy. www.americanactionforum.org/insight/the-dignity-act-immigration-reform-with-bipartisan-potential/ |
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 21, 2023 9:42:08 GMT -5
Maybe ol' ripvanwinkle should put on his play war helmet and march on down to the border and turn the migrants back. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2023 9:46:16 GMT -5
it is not a hard concept, it is simply wrong. but again, i am done arguing with you about this. i get your point. i just fervently disagree, scgal . let's try to discuss something that is less impenetrable. WHY do you care about this issue? Because if we are not going to call it correctly and make is sound like its somthing minor the problem will never make any good headway. Undocumented sounds like a paperwork snafu calling them illegal means your not allowed here until you can fufill our requirements to change your status. I hope that helps a bit, sure. but why does that matter to you? i think you have expressed it before, but what is the issue you have with "illegals" being in the US? NOTE: i am playing the devil's advocate. i have my own reasons why i don't want them here. what are yours? |
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Post by scgal on Sept 21, 2023 14:31:15 GMT -5
Because if we are not going to call it correctly and make is sound like its somthing minor the problem will never make any good headway. Undocumented sounds like a paperwork snafu calling them illegal means your not allowed here until you can fufill our requirements to change your status. I hope that helps a bit, sure. but why does that matter to you? i think you have expressed it before, but what is the issue you have with "illegals" being in the US? NOTE: i am playing the devil's advocate. i have my own reasons why i don't want them here. what are yours? I have a problem with all law breakers. Murders, rapists, robbers, thieves, on the lighter side speeders, tax evasion, fraud anything to do with illegal drugs. Imho the US is way to easy on crime. |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 21, 2023 14:41:41 GMT -5
Yet you give Trump a pass
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 21, 2023 14:55:12 GMT -5
a bit, sure. but why does that matter to you? i think you have expressed it before, but what is the issue you have with "illegals" being in the US? NOTE: i am playing the devil's advocate. i have my own reasons why i don't want them here. what are yours? I have a problem with all law breakers. Murders, rapists, robbers, thieves, on the lighter side speeders, tax evasion, fraud anything to do with illegal drugs. Imho the US is way to easy on crime. We already have the highest incarceration rate in the world so locking people up doesn't seem to be having a strong enough impact. We could greatly increase financial penalties. I am sure the government would have no problem spending the money. And of course the government could start killing more people. That would help balance out increased governmental incarcerations. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2023 15:05:25 GMT -5
a bit, sure. but why does that matter to you? i think you have expressed it before, but what is the issue you have with "illegals" being in the US? NOTE: i am playing the devil's advocate. i have my own reasons why i don't want them here. what are yours? I have a problem with all law breakers. Murders, rapists, robbers, thieves, on the lighter side speeders, tax evasion, fraud anything to do with illegal drugs. Imho the US is way to easy on crime. thanks, that was really helpful. i don't have ANY problem with "consensual crimes". i think sex work, drug use, vagrancy, loitering, and quite a few other things like it should be 100% legal. i have absolute issue with any crime which harms the person or property of non-consenting others like assault, theft, murder, mayhem. i think this is maybe why we disagree so much on this subject. i see it as overlapping these two areas in a way that makes it grey for me. you don't. |
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Sept 21, 2023 21:02:36 GMT -5
Hmmm...The border is not open. Looks like it to me. OR this And this - A illegal got deported earlier and came back, given a court date of 2025 and then killed someone.
Yes Biden and Mayorkas the border is closed.
they never claimed it was closed. that would be a violation of international law, i believe. Seems to me he lied to the American public judging by what the daily count of illegals crossing our border is. Even a blind man can see it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 21, 2023 21:20:08 GMT -5
How many crossed the border under Trump? Do you have any idea?
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 21, 2023 21:44:31 GMT -5
they never claimed it was closed. that would be a violation of international law, i believe. Seems to me he lied to the American public judging by what the daily count of illegals crossing our border is. Even a blind man can see it.
Rip-how do you propose stopping everyone from crossing our southern and northern borders. 'I don't know' is not an acceptable answer. I want a detailed answer. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2023 23:59:19 GMT -5
they never claimed it was closed. that would be a violation of international law, i believe. Seems to me he lied to the American public judging by what the daily count of illegals crossing our border is. Even a blind man can see it.
can a blind man see that 90% of them are deported? "not open" and "closed" are not the same thing. as i said before, that would be illegal, i believe. |
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Sept 22, 2023 0:01:46 GMT -5
How many crossed the border under Trump? Do you have any idea? Doesn't matter. What's past is past. What really matters is what's happening today, tomorrow..... |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 22, 2023 0:04:10 GMT -5
How many crossed the border under Trump? Do you have any idea? Doesn't matter. What's past is past. What really matters is what's happening today, tomorrow..... how would you secure the border to your satisfaction, rip? you have been asked three times, now. |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 22, 2023 5:25:06 GMT -5
How many crossed the border under Trump? Do you have any idea? Doesn't matter. What's past is past. What really matters is what's happening today, tomorrow..... You didn’t complain about it then. And, if it was so bad say to do, why didn’t trump do it? ETA: if the numbers were higher under trump then the problem is improving, is it not. So that would mean that the policy was working , and this conservative complaining is just another example of their partisan bickering. Sort of how the budget deficit is only a problem under democrats |
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Post by tbop77 on Sept 22, 2023 6:06:11 GMT -5
Seems to me he lied to the American public judging by what the daily count of illegals crossing our border is. Even a blind man can see it.
Rip-how do you propose stopping everyone from crossing our southern and northern borders. 'I don't know' is not an acceptable answer. I want a detailed answer. You won't get an answer. The Republican party does not want solutions. They want to bitch and complain. Several concerns have been addressed and there is never a reply. Just another post that Mayorkas lied. You know, lying really bothers them.  I wonder if they really would be happy if people were shot while crossing. Maybe it could be filmed and put on pay per view to pay off the debt? Am sure they would spend their last dollar to watch that! |
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Sept 22, 2023 22:38:21 GMT -5
Maybe ol' ripvanwinkle should put on his play war helmet and march on down to the border and turn the migrants back. Well yee haw. I''m going to grab my grand pappy's old musket, powder horn and ole blue and drive the old field truck down there and stop them myself |
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 22, 2023 22:40:08 GMT -5
Maybe ol' ripvanwinkle should put on his play war helmet and march on down to the border and turn the migrants back. Well yee haw. I''m going to grab my grand pappy's old musket, powder horn and ole blue and drive the old field truck down there and stop them myself Way past your bed time, little man. Go night-night now. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 24, 2023 10:47:10 GMT -5
Another good news and start would be fining and jailing the heads/owners of U.S. businesses, big and small, who hire undocumented immigrants. No work equals far fewer undocumented immigrants. |
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Sept 24, 2023 11:11:12 GMT -5
Another good news and start would be fining and jailing the heads/owners of U.S. businesses, big and small, who hire undocumented immigrants. No work equals far fewer undocumented immigrants. I'm fully 100% behind that idea. And also make it so they cannot deduct wages on their taxes. |
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 24, 2023 11:12:13 GMT -5
Here is an idea: everyone relax. We live in an imperfect world. It is possible to find examples of murders and kids younger than ideal doing dangerous jobs that are tied to immigration. But, on total, is there more bad than good in the current situation? There are individuals living a better life here than they would were they came from. There are children who will be productive members of our society coming in. We all benefit from workers willing to do hard jobs for pay we wouldn't accept.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 24, 2023 11:20:23 GMT -5
Here is an idea: everyone relax. We live in an imperfect world. It is possible to find examples of murders and kids younger than ideal doing dangerous jobs that are tied to immigration. But, on total, is there more bad than good in the current situation? There are individuals living a better life here than they would were they came from. There are children who will be productive members of our society coming in. We all benefit from workers willing to do hard jobs for pay we wouldn't accept. Tru. But we all know business owners, Democrats, independents and Republicans want to keep the cheap labor. So politicians are in no rush at all to create new laws which financially and physically punish business owners for employing undocumented young and old immigrants. |
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