The border is not open

[djAdvocate]

again, don't get me wrong.

i am not saying the law itself is right.
i am saying that Abbott is on the wrong side of it.

he took it to the SCOTUS, and LOST.
yet he continues to behave as if he won.

ergo, he is lawless.

that is a FACT OF LAW.
whether you agree with it or not.

so, again- anyone who is NOT on the side of the law, speak up.

[tbop77]

Jan 26, 2024 23:02:49 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Does anybody know who is the largest manufacturer of razor wire is? I want to buy some stock. This could be a good buy.

Seems anyone with any common sense can see Abbott's stunt defying the Supreme Court is an audition for VP.  Your attempt at humor rings hollow.  Do you think anyone believes this is anything but a campaign issue for Trump?  Conservatives showed their true colors this week.  Well, they have for a while, but if anyone had any doubt, Trump's action this week should make any true conservative sick.

Joke all you want, the joke is on you.  

[Opti]

Jan 26, 2024 11:24:18 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 26, 2024 11:07:39 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Yeah, maybe the thread title should be changed to "LOL, don't fix the border to help Trump get elected"  

Right now, trump wants no legislation passed regarding border security. Only trump, according to him, can fix it. So trump is perfectly fine until January 20, 2025 for the border to allegedly be wide open until his possible inauguration should he win the 2024 presidential election.

Didn't trump also promise he would stop immigration from Central America if he was elected in 2016? How did that promise work out.

Trump wants to take credit for fixing it. Somehow MAGAs believe he fixed the borders while in office and they magically got unfixed when he left office. They forget about the pandemic and the fact Trump built very little wall. What happened is collusion between Trump and Fox and other conservative outlets. They stop covering border issues and magically MAGAs think the problem is over. This is how Trump did pretty much all his promises except on abortion. He declares he fixed it. The MAGAs believe because Fox and OAN etc. stop reporting on whatever as a problem and the lying grifting continues.

I think Trump has gotten so entranced with his own marketing bluster he can't fix anything. He seems to be reduced to unhinged monologues and storming out of courtrooms.

[billisonboard]

Jan 27, 2024 8:32:50 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jan 26, 2024 11:24:18 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Right now, trump wants no legislation passed regarding border security. Only trump, according to him, can fix it. So trump is perfectly fine until January 20, 2025 for the border to allegedly be wide open until his possible inauguration should he win the 2024 presidential election.

Didn't trump also promise he would stop immigration from Central America if he was elected in 2016? How did that promise work out.

Trump wants to take credit for fixing it. Somehow MAGAs believe he fixed the borders while in office and they magically got unfixed when he left office. They forget about the pandemic and the fact Trump built very little wall. What happened is collusion between Trump and Fox and other conservative outlets. They stop covering border issues and magically MAGAs think the problem is over. This is how Trump did pretty much all his promises except on abortion. He declares he fixed it. The MAGAs believe because Fox and OAN etc. stop reporting on whatever as a problem and the lying grifting continues.

I think Trump has gotten so entranced with his own marketing bluster he can't fix anything. He seems to be reduced to unhinged monologues and storming out of courtrooms.

I won't exempt abortion. While McConnell and fate gave him the Supreme Court openings to appoint justices to overturn Roe v Wade, reproductive rights is still a hot mess issue in this country.

[tallguy]

Jan 27, 2024 9:48:01 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 27, 2024 8:32:50 GMT -5 Opti said:

Trump wants to take credit for fixing it. Somehow MAGAs believe he fixed the borders while in office and they magically got unfixed when he left office. They forget about the pandemic and the fact Trump built very little wall. What happened is collusion between Trump and Fox and other conservative outlets. They stop covering border issues and magically MAGAs think the problem is over. This is how Trump did pretty much all his promises except on abortion. He declares he fixed it. The MAGAs believe because Fox and OAN etc. stop reporting on whatever as a problem and the lying grifting continues.

I think Trump has gotten so entranced with his own marketing bluster he can't fix anything. He seems to be reduced to unhinged monologues and storming out of courtrooms.

I won't exempt abortion. While McConnell and fate gave him the Supreme Court openings to appoint justices to overturn Roe v Wade, reproductive rights is still a hot mess issue in this country.

Of course it is, and it is going to keep blowing up in conservatives' faces case by case and election by election in perpetuity.  I don't think that was the point being made, however.  My reading of the comment was that, in comparison to the border issue where conservatives were fooled into thinking they got what they wanted under Trump, they actually did get what they wanted on abortion.  Neither problem is in any way fixed, but they did at least get that.  

[Tennesseer]

Jan 26, 2024 23:02:49 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Does anybody know who is the largest manufacturer of razor wire is? I want to buy some stock. This could be a good buy.

During summer school break over fifty years ago, I worked at country club's thirteenth hole snack bar. One afternoon, a father and his two sons entered the snack bar for some lunch. One of the son's had from the top of his head head to ankles fresh, deep scars. What lay beneath his short sleeved shirt and shorts one could only imagine. The son with the full body scars way maybe twelve or thirteen years old when I saw him.

I later asked one of the grounds keepers who was in the snack bar at the time the dad and his sons were there what happened to the son. The grounds keeper told me the son, while driving an all-terrain vehicle at dusk, had unknowingly driven straight into a barbed-wire fence. The fence had multiple levels of barbed-wire across it. The young boy (at the time) got all caught up in the wire and required hundreds of stiches and several operations to repair the damage to his body.

The picture below is not a picture of the young boy I mention above. It is though a picture of a male who while operating an All-terrain vehicle drove right into a barbed-wire fence. Now picture the cuts to the boy's neck in the picture below and imagine what it might have looked like on the boy in my story above.  Cut from head to toe.



I know you, Rip, like the idea of publicly caning young men as punishment for their infractions against the law.

But do you really want to invest in razor wire to stop people on the other side of the border who are fleeing poverty and crime in their home countries? Remember-minor children do travel with their parents and have little to say in where their parents take them. And minor children will get caught up in razor wire if abbott refuses to take it down which federal law and the Supreme Court of the United States have ruled against abbott and razor wire.

[Opti]

Jan 27, 2024 9:48:01 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 27, 2024 8:32:50 GMT -5 Opti said:

Trump wants to take credit for fixing it. Somehow MAGAs believe he fixed the borders while in office and they magically got unfixed when he left office. They forget about the pandemic and the fact Trump built very little wall. What happened is collusion between Trump and Fox and other conservative outlets. They stop covering border issues and magically MAGAs think the problem is over. This is how Trump did pretty much all his promises except on abortion. He declares he fixed it. The MAGAs believe because Fox and OAN etc. stop reporting on whatever as a problem and the lying grifting continues.

I think Trump has gotten so entranced with his own marketing bluster he can't fix anything. He seems to be reduced to unhinged monologues and storming out of courtrooms.

I won't exempt abortion. While McConnell and fate gave him the Supreme Court openings to appoint justices to overturn Roe v Wade, reproductive rights is still a hot mess issue in this country.

I am sad and disappointed on the abortion issues because those who are against it do not really understand the issue. They are focused on the abusers of the system (there are always some) and not those that could have more children or the fetuses that will die anyway. They use the marginal luck cases thinking that means something when it really does not. There are always judgment calls, and because of that they won't always be right. But the big thing is most folks cannot care for a severely disabled child no matter how long they live. And while saying they want to protect life with the other hand they are cutting at the very programs that do so. Its extremely unChristian IMO. its extremely inhumane too.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 27, 2024 8:32:50 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jan 26, 2024 11:24:18 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Right now, trump wants no legislation passed regarding border security. Only trump, according to him, can fix it. So trump is perfectly fine until January 20, 2025 for the border to allegedly be wide open until his possible inauguration should he win the 2024 presidential election.

Didn't trump also promise he would stop immigration from Central America if he was elected in 2016? How did that promise work out.

Trump wants to take credit for fixing it. 

this is right out of the Reagan playbook.  but what makes no sense about it is that Trump has nothing to gain in this tactic OTHER than hurting Biden.  and i think it DOES hurt him, because it says that Trump is actually in charge right now.  at least of the House.  i think everyone already knows that, though.  and i think this might backfire.  the GOP can't run on fixing it, now, and Democrats can run on the GOP obstructing.

[Tennesseer]

The MAGA Truckers Are Back—And Heading to the Border

A convoy that includes election deniers, anti-vaxxers and QAnon devotees is determined to insert itself into the border battles—and experts warn that trouble could escalate.

A convoy of Jesus-loving truckers will converge on the southern border next week in a battle to stop what they say is a migrant “invasion,” as Texas remains locked in a standoff with the feds over razor wire it installed along the Rio Grande in Eagle Pass.

But the event—called the “Take Our Border Back Convoy” and promoted by far-right media—is advertised as a “peaceful assembly” of active and former law enforcement, military, ranchers, bikers, business owners, and “Mama Bears.”

As Media Matters pointed out, some organizers include a rogues’ gallery of election deniers, anti-vaxxers, and QAnon conspiracy theorists.

One ringleader, Kim Yeater, recently told a Christian podcaster that the convoy is “a god movement” that could halt a “Trojan horse” in the 2024 election.

Rest of article here: The MAGA Truckers Are Back—And Heading to the Border


So who are “Take Our Border Back" calling to participate is the convoy? From their website:

Calling all active & retired law enforcement and military, Veterans, Mama Bears, elected officials, business owners, ranchers, truckers, bikers, media and LAW ABIDING, freedom-loving Americans.

We The People Taking Our Border Back

[djAdvocate]

they'll get bored in a few months, when they run out of money.

[pulmonarymd]

Well, they already decided that separating children fyy to on there parents was ok, even if the were young enough to not be able to tell you who there parents were and could not be reunited with them. Just a short step to this. There was never a care about kids the proved it, and we have conservatives on this board who who do not care. Cruelty is the point

[Tennesseer]

I saw you were online here, ripvanwinkle, eight hours ago.  No comment or reply for any of the posts?  

Username: ripvanwinkle Last Online: 8 hours ago

[ripvanwinkle]

Jan 28, 2024 11:32:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I saw you were online here, ripvanwinkle , eight hours ago.  No comment or reply for any of the posts?  

Username: ripvanwinkle Last Online: 8 hours ago

It was just a quick pop in look. Had company over. But since you asked I heard the razor wire was working. Less crossings there. Let say you or I were out hiking. We came upon a river. There is a badly rotted tree that had fallen across it. You could attempt a dangerous crossing. Up stream 1 mile there is a real bridge that you can cross there with no trouble. What is the most logical sane choice?

[pulmonarymd]

Missed the point completely. What do you have to say about trump blowing up the bill the senate is trying to pass?

[djAdvocate]

Jan 28, 2024 16:13:50 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jan 28, 2024 11:32:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I saw you were online here, ripvanwinkle , eight hours ago.  No comment or reply for any of the posts?  

It was just a quick pop in look. Had company over. But since you asked I heard the razor wire was working. Less crossings there. Let say you or I were out hiking. We came upon a river. There is a badly rotted tree that had fallen across it. You could attempt a dangerous crossing. Up stream 1 mile there is a real bridge that you can cross there with no trouble. What is the most logical sane choice?

Arizona, to extrapolate.

Texas acts like it is an Island.  it is not.  they are a bunch of NIMBYS.  and lawless.

again, i ask: are you good with lawless states?  because, if so, i really would like you to stop criticizing the quasi legal status called "sanctuary state".

you either believe in the law, or you lose every debate in favor it.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 28, 2024 16:13:50 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jan 28, 2024 11:32:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I saw you were online here, ripvanwinkle , eight hours ago.  No comment or reply for any of the posts?  

It was just a quick pop in look. Had company over. But since you asked I heard the razor wire was working. Less crossings there. Let say you or I were out hiking. We came upon a river. There is a badly rotted tree that had fallen across it. You could attempt a dangerous crossing. Up stream 1 mile there is a real bridge that you can cross there with no trouble. What is the most logical sane choice?

I'm not afraid of water as the fallen tree is blocking and damming the river's full force.

No comment about the physical damage razor wire causes unsuspecting people?

[djAdvocate]

you can throw a tarp over razor wire and cross easily.

all of these solutions are DUMB compared to the one that would work best: eliminate the opportunity to work under the table.

until Republicans propose that (other than DeSantis, who not only proposed it, but implemented it in Florida), i will think all of this talk about immigration is designed ONLY to stir people up, and sow distrust in government.

[djAdvocate]

note to the board: DeSantis never mentioned his policy of requiring E-Verify for employers to hire in Florida on the campaign trail. did you notice that? Trump doesn't mention it, either.

think about why.

THEY DON'T WANT TO FIX THE PROBLEM, FOLKS.
THE PROBLEM IS GOOD FOR THEM.
YOU ARE BEING HAD!

[ripvanwinkle]

Jan 28, 2024 17:56:14 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you can throw a tarp over razor wire and cross easily.

all of these solutions are DUMB compared to the one that would work best: eliminate the opportunity to work under the table.

until Republicans propose that (other than DeSantis, who not only proposed it, but implemented it in Florida), i will think all of this talk about immigration is designed ONLY to stir people up, and sow distrust in government.

I'm all for the idea of 100% E Verify. The company I work for does it. And I think I've said this before. Penalize employers who hire illegals with no work permits. No tax write offs etc.

[billisonboard]

Jan 28, 2024 19:18:20 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jan 28, 2024 17:56:14 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you can throw a tarp over razor wire and cross easily.

all of these solutions are DUMB compared to the one that would work best: eliminate the opportunity to work under the table.

until Republicans propose that (other than DeSantis, who not only proposed it, but implemented it in Florida), i will think all of this talk about immigration is designed ONLY to stir people up, and sow distrust in government.

I'm all for the idea of 100% E Verify. The company I work for does it. And I think I've said this before. Penalize employers who hire illegals with no work permits. No tax write offs etc.

Jail employers who hire them.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 28, 2024 19:18:20 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jan 28, 2024 17:56:14 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you can throw a tarp over razor wire and cross easily.

all of these solutions are DUMB compared to the one that would work best: eliminate the opportunity to work under the table.

until Republicans propose that (other than DeSantis, who not only proposed it, but implemented it in Florida), i will think all of this talk about immigration is designed ONLY to stir people up, and sow distrust in government.

I'm all for the idea of 100% E Verify. The company I work for does it. And I think I've said this before. Penalize employers who hire illegals with no work permits. No tax write offs etc.

i should hope so.  technically, verifying employee status is THE LAW.  there is something called an I9 form.  every new employee is supposed to fill one out.  if every employer did that, there would be virtually ZERO illegal laborers in the US.

the fine for failure to fill out the I9 is $272-2701.  I would be in favor of upping that by 10x and requiring E-Verify to match it.  anyone who hires an employee without collecting that data would be subject to the lowest fine on first offense, and the fine would double until reaching the cap on 4th offense.  if an employer had to pay $27k for NOT doing this, i guarantee the conformity would be close to 100%.

let's compare to what we have today.  most people don't even fill out an I9, and i have never been asked for my records NOR do i know anyone who has.

what good are laws that are not enforced.  which brings me back to Abbott.  since he is a lawbreaker, are you good with him being arrested for being complicit in a federal crime?  i am sure that the jails would accommodate his wheelchair, since they are ADA compliant.

[ripvanwinkle]

I agree with the big fines but fall short of jail. Jailing the owner of a small business would put other employees out of work. As to Abbott, good for him. He's just goading/pushing Biden to finally do something. When election time comes if the problem has not been greatly addressed the GOP will make it a center point if not THE point more than it is now.

I'm not holding my breath anything will come of any reform but looking forward to the "there will be wigs on the green" as the British say.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 29, 2024 0:10:06 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

I agree with the big fines but fall short of jail. Jailing the owner of a small business would put other employees out of work. As to Abbott, good for him. He's just goading/pushing Biden to finally do something. When election time comes if the problem has not been greatly addressed the GOP will make it a center point if not THE point more than it is now.

I'm not holding my breath anything will come of any reform but looking forward to the "there will be wigs on the green" as the British say.

I see you didn't bother to read my earlier post I made yesterday. Trump doesn't want the congressional republicans to pass any border security legislation.

Read the below:

For ripvanwinkle (again).

GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromise

Senior Senate Republicans are furious that Donald Trump may have killed an emerging bipartisan deal over the southern border, depriving them of a key legislative achievement on a pressing national priority and offering a preview of what’s to come with Trump as their likely presidential nominee.

In recent weeks, Trump has been lobbying Republicans both in private conversations and in public statements on social media to oppose the border compromise being delicately hashed out in the Senate, according to GOP sources familiar with the conversations – in part because he wants to campaign on the issue this November and doesn’t want President Joe Biden to score a victory in an area where he is politically vulnerable.

Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell acknowledged in a private meeting on Wednesday that Trump’s animosity toward the yet-to-be-released border deal puts Republicans in a serious bind as they try to move forward on the already complex issue. For weeks, Republicans have been warning that Trump’s opposition could blow up the bipartisan proposal, but the admission from McConnell was particularly striking, given he has been a chief advocate for a border-Ukraine package.

Now, Republicans on Capitol Hill are grappling with the reality that most in the GOP are loathe to do anything that is seen as potentially undermining the former president. And the prospects of a deal being scuttled before it has even been finalized has sparked tensions and confusion in the Senate GOP as they try to figure out if, and how, to proceed – even as McConnell made clear during party lunches Thursday that he remains firmly behind the effort to strike a deal, according to attendees.

“I think the border is a very important issue for Donald Trump. And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn’t want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is … really appalling,” said GOP Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, who has been an outspoken critic of Trump.

He added, “But the reality is that, that we have a crisis at the border, the American people are suffering as a result of what’s happening at the border. And someone running for president not to try and get the problem solved. as opposed to saying, ‘hey, save that problem. Don’t solve it. Let me take credit for solving it later.’”

GOP Sen. Todd Young of Indiana called any efforts to disrupt the ongoing negotiations “tragic” and said: “I hope no one is trying to take this away for campaign purposes.”

Rest of article here:  GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromise

[Tennesseer]

Jan 29, 2024 0:10:06 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

I agree with the big fines but fall short of jail. Jailing the owner of a small business would put other employees out of work. As to Abbott, good for him. He's just goading/pushing Biden to finally do something. When election time comes if the problem has not been greatly addressed the GOP will make it a center point if not THE point more than it is now.

I'm not holding my breath anything will come of any reform but looking forward to the "there will be wigs on the green" as the British say.

All the more reason the business owner goes to prison. Prison hanging over the owner'head and all his/her employees losing their jobs should stop the owner in his tracks from employing any one who does not have a right to work in the USA.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 29, 2024 0:10:06 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

I agree with the big fines but fall short of jail. Jailing the owner of a small business would put other employees out of work. As to Abbott, good for him. He's just goading/pushing Biden to finally do something. When election time comes if the problem has not been greatly addressed the GOP will make it a center point if not THE point more than it is now.

I'm not holding my breath anything will come of any reform but looking forward to the "there will be wigs on the green" as the British say.

i wasn't talking about jailing business owners.  failure to file an I9 is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.  

i was talking about Abbot.  you OK with jailing him for breaking federal law by interfering with federal law enforcement?  let me be clear here, rip, since you seem to have missed my point at least three times already.  what Abbot is doing is FAR worse than what you accuse sanctuary states of doing.  what sanctuary states do is to refuse to HELP law enforcement.  that would be fine with me if Abbot did that, for the record.  but what Abbot is doing is standing in the WAY of law enforcement.  in other words, he is aiding and abetting a federal crime, which i believe is a CRIMINAL matter, thus subjecting him to imprisonment.

i carefully mentioned the wheelchair to be clear.  but hopefully i won't need to do so again.

[ripvanwinkle]

Jan 29, 2024 0:27:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 29, 2024 0:10:06 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

I agree with the big fines but fall short of jail. Jailing the owner of a small business would put other employees out of work. As to Abbott, good for him. He's just goading/pushing Biden to finally do something. When election time comes if the problem has not been greatly addressed the GOP will make it a center point if not THE point more than it is now.

I'm not holding my breath anything will come of any reform but looking forward to the "there will be wigs on the green" as the British say.

I see you didn't bother to read my earlier post I made yesterday. Trump doesn't want the congressional republicans to pass any border security legislation.

Read the below:

For ripvanwinkle (again).

GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromise

Senior Senate Republicans are furious that Donald Trump may have killed an emerging bipartisan deal over the southern border, depriving them of a key legislative achievement on a pressing national priority and offering a preview of what’s to come with Trump as their likely presidential nominee.

In recent weeks, Trump has been lobbying Republicans both in private conversations and in public statements on social media to oppose the border compromise being delicately hashed out in the Senate, according to GOP sources familiar with the conversations – in part because he wants to campaign on the issue this November and doesn’t want President Joe Biden to score a victory in an area where he is politically vulnerable.

Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell acknowledged in a private meeting on Wednesday that Trump’s animosity toward the yet-to-be-released border deal puts Republicans in a serious bind as they try to move forward on the already complex issue. For weeks, Republicans have been warning that Trump’s opposition could blow up the bipartisan proposal, but the admission from McConnell was particularly striking, given he has been a chief advocate for a border-Ukraine package.

Now, Republicans on Capitol Hill are grappling with the reality that most in the GOP are loathe to do anything that is seen as potentially undermining the former president. And the prospects of a deal being scuttled before it has even been finalized has sparked tensions and confusion in the Senate GOP as they try to figure out if, and how, to proceed – even as McConnell made clear during party lunches Thursday that he remains firmly behind the effort to strike a deal, according to attendees.

“I think the border is a very important issue for Donald Trump. And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn’t want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is … really appalling,” said GOP Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, who has been an outspoken critic of Trump.

He added, “But the reality is that, that we have a crisis at the border, the American people are suffering as a result of what’s happening at the border. And someone running for president not to try and get the problem solved. as opposed to saying, ‘hey, save that problem. Don’t solve it. Let me take credit for solving it later.’”

GOP Sen. Todd Young of Indiana called any efforts to disrupt the ongoing negotiations “tragic” and said: “I hope no one is trying to take this away for campaign purposes.”

Rest of article here:  GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromise

The article is absolutely right. If they reach a agreement no matter how bad it is, it won't be good for the nation. This is Trumps rallying cry. No matter what the agreement is they are not going to stem the tide of 8+ million a year and that is on both hands. I predict within 10 years we will have a terrorist act we can lay blame on the unvetted illegals. 

[djAdvocate]

Jan 29, 2024 0:27:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 29, 2024 0:10:06 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

I agree with the big fines but fall short of jail. Jailing the owner of a small business would put other employees out of work. As to Abbott, good for him. He's just goading/pushing Biden to finally do something. When election time comes if the problem has not been greatly addressed the GOP will make it a center point if not THE point more than it is now.

I'm not holding my breath anything will come of any reform but looking forward to the "there will be wigs on the green" as the British say.

I see you didn't bother to read my earlier post I made yesterday. Trump doesn't want the congressional republicans to pass any border security legislation.

Read the below:

For ripvanwinkle (again).

GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromise

Senior Senate Republicans are furious that Donald Trump may have killed an emerging bipartisan deal over the southern border, depriving them of a key legislative achievement on a pressing national priority and offering a preview of what’s to come with Trump as their likely presidential nominee.

In recent weeks, Trump has been lobbying Republicans both in private conversations and in public statements on social media to oppose the border compromise being delicately hashed out in the Senate, according to GOP sources familiar with the conversations – in part because he wants to campaign on the issue this November and doesn’t want President Joe Biden to score a victory in an area where he is politically vulnerable.

Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell acknowledged in a private meeting on Wednesday that Trump’s animosity toward the yet-to-be-released border deal puts Republicans in a serious bind as they try to move forward on the already complex issue. For weeks, Republicans have been warning that Trump’s opposition could blow up the bipartisan proposal, but the admission from McConnell was particularly striking, given he has been a chief advocate for a border-Ukraine package.

Now, Republicans on Capitol Hill are grappling with the reality that most in the GOP are loathe to do anything that is seen as potentially undermining the former president. And the prospects of a deal being scuttled before it has even been finalized has sparked tensions and confusion in the Senate GOP as they try to figure out if, and how, to proceed – even as McConnell made clear during party lunches Thursday that he remains firmly behind the effort to strike a deal, according to attendees.

“I think the border is a very important issue for Donald Trump. And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn’t want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is … really appalling,” said GOP Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, who has been an outspoken critic of Trump.

He added, “But the reality is that, that we have a crisis at the border, the American people are suffering as a result of what’s happening at the border. And someone running for president not to try and get the problem solved. as opposed to saying, ‘hey, save that problem. Don’t solve it. Let me take credit for solving it later.’”

GOP Sen. Todd Young of Indiana called any efforts to disrupt the ongoing negotiations “tragic” and said: “I hope no one is trying to take this away for campaign purposes.”

Rest of article here:  GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromise

i wonder if there are (10) that voted to acquit that would now vote to convict him.

i bet there are.

[Opti]

Jan 29, 2024 1:57:25 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jan 29, 2024 0:27:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I see you didn't bother to read my earlier post I made yesterday. Trump doesn't want the congressional republicans to pass any border security legislation.

Read the below:

For ripvanwinkle (again).

GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromise

Senior Senate Republicans are furious that Donald Trump may have killed an emerging bipartisan deal over the southern border, depriving them of a key legislative achievement on a pressing national priority and offering a preview of what’s to come with Trump as their likely presidential nominee.

In recent weeks, Trump has been lobbying Republicans both in private conversations and in public statements on social media to oppose the border compromise being delicately hashed out in the Senate, according to GOP sources familiar with the conversations – in part because he wants to campaign on the issue this November and doesn’t want President Joe Biden to score a victory in an area where he is politically vulnerable.

Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell acknowledged in a private meeting on Wednesday that Trump’s animosity toward the yet-to-be-released border deal puts Republicans in a serious bind as they try to move forward on the already complex issue. For weeks, Republicans have been warning that Trump’s opposition could blow up the bipartisan proposal, but the admission from McConnell was particularly striking, given he has been a chief advocate for a border-Ukraine package.

Now, Republicans on Capitol Hill are grappling with the reality that most in the GOP are loathe to do anything that is seen as potentially undermining the former president. And the prospects of a deal being scuttled before it has even been finalized has sparked tensions and confusion in the Senate GOP as they try to figure out if, and how, to proceed – even as McConnell made clear during party lunches Thursday that he remains firmly behind the effort to strike a deal, according to attendees.

“I think the border is a very important issue for Donald Trump. And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn’t want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is … really appalling,” said GOP Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, who has been an outspoken critic of Trump.

He added, “But the reality is that, that we have a crisis at the border, the American people are suffering as a result of what’s happening at the border. And someone running for president not to try and get the problem solved. as opposed to saying, ‘hey, save that problem. Don’t solve it. Let me take credit for solving it later.’”

GOP Sen. Todd Young of Indiana called any efforts to disrupt the ongoing negotiations “tragic” and said: “I hope no one is trying to take this away for campaign purposes.”

Rest of article here:  GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromise

The article is absolutely right. If they reach a agreement no matter how bad it is, it won't be good for the nation. This is Trumps rallying cry. No matter what the agreement is they are not going to stem the tide of 8+ million a year and that is on both hands. I predict within 10 years we will have a terrorist act we can lay blame on the unvetted illegals. 

We have had multiple acts of terrorism, i.e. shootings. Most of them have been US citizens. Some have not. A good portion of new immigrants work in meat processing plants and were forced to work by various scare tactics. If those plants had been manned solely by born here Americans do you think you would have had pork and chicken at the height of the pandemic? 

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Jan 27, 2024 11:02:52 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 26, 2024 23:02:49 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Does anybody know who is the largest manufacturer of razor wire is? I want to buy some stock. This could be a good buy.

During summer school break over fifty years ago, I worked at country club's thirteenth hole snack bar. One afternoon, a father and his two sons entered the snack bar for some lunch. One of the son's had from the top of his head head to ankles fresh, deep scars. What lay beneath his short sleeved shirt and shorts one could only imagine. The son with the full body scars way maybe twelve or thirteen years old when I saw him.

I later asked one of the grounds keepers who was in the snack bar at the time the dad and his sons were there what happened to the son. The grounds keeper told me the son, while driving an all-terrain vehicle at dusk, had unknowingly driven straight into a barbed-wire fence. The fence had multiple levels of barbed-wire across it. The young boy (at the time) got all caught up in the wire and required hundreds of stiches and several operations to repair the damage to his body.

The picture below is not a picture of the young boy I mention above. It is though a picture of a male who while operating an All-terrain vehicle drove right into a barbed-wire fence. Now picture the cuts to the boy's neck in the picture below and imagine what it might have looked like on the boy in my story above.  Cut from head to toe.



I know you, Rip, like the idea of publicly caning young men as punishment for their infractions against the law.

But do you really want to invest in razor wire to stop people on the other side of the border who are fleeing poverty and crime in their home countries? Remember-minor children do travel with their parents and have little to say in where their parents take them. And minor children will get caught up in razor wire if abbott refuses to take it down which federal law and the Supreme Court of the United States have ruled against abbott and razor wire.

Know how to not get all cut up by razor wire---don't cross it. Put it up at the border with lots of danger signs some saying you cross this you dumb ass you will get fucked up. Yep that should do it

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Jan 29, 2024 1:57:25 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jan 29, 2024 0:27:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I see you didn't bother to read my earlier post I made yesterday. Trump doesn't want the congressional republicans to pass any border security legislation.

Read the below:

For ripvanwinkle (again).

GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromise

Senior Senate Republicans are furious that Donald Trump may have killed an emerging bipartisan deal over the southern border, depriving them of a key legislative achievement on a pressing national priority and offering a preview of what’s to come with Trump as their likely presidential nominee.

In recent weeks, Trump has been lobbying Republicans both in private conversations and in public statements on social media to oppose the border compromise being delicately hashed out in the Senate, according to GOP sources familiar with the conversations – in part because he wants to campaign on the issue this November and doesn’t want President Joe Biden to score a victory in an area where he is politically vulnerable.

Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell acknowledged in a private meeting on Wednesday that Trump’s animosity toward the yet-to-be-released border deal puts Republicans in a serious bind as they try to move forward on the already complex issue. For weeks, Republicans have been warning that Trump’s opposition could blow up the bipartisan proposal, but the admission from McConnell was particularly striking, given he has been a chief advocate for a border-Ukraine package.

Now, Republicans on Capitol Hill are grappling with the reality that most in the GOP are loathe to do anything that is seen as potentially undermining the former president. And the prospects of a deal being scuttled before it has even been finalized has sparked tensions and confusion in the Senate GOP as they try to figure out if, and how, to proceed – even as McConnell made clear during party lunches Thursday that he remains firmly behind the effort to strike a deal, according to attendees.

“I think the border is a very important issue for Donald Trump. And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn’t want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is … really appalling,” said GOP Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, who has been an outspoken critic of Trump.

He added, “But the reality is that, that we have a crisis at the border, the American people are suffering as a result of what’s happening at the border. And someone running for president not to try and get the problem solved. as opposed to saying, ‘hey, save that problem. Don’t solve it. Let me take credit for solving it later.’”

GOP Sen. Todd Young of Indiana called any efforts to disrupt the ongoing negotiations “tragic” and said: “I hope no one is trying to take this away for campaign purposes.”

Rest of article here:  GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromise

The article is absolutely right. If they reach a agreement no matter how bad it is, it won't be good for the nation. This is Trumps rallying cry. No matter what the agreement is they are not going to stem the tide of 8+ million a year and that is on both hands. I predict within 10 years we will have a terrorist act we can lay blame on the unvetted illegals. 

So the agreement is "bad" before all of Congress, you, me and the rest of the nation have even seen it. Got it.

What's it like having trump in your head 24/7/365 telling you what to say? When you cut yourself, do you bleed trump?

And why would a terrorist act be bad and want to blame "unvetted illegals" for it. Congress updating any terrorist act it has legislated into law is not a bad thing.