The border is not open

[andi9899]

Dec 29, 2023 11:02:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 28, 2023 10:39:40 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Did you actually read what I wrote? I said to employ more border patrol. Treating people humanely is not after the fact. Greg Abbott has instructed the current border patrol to push people back into the Rio Grande. I honestly wish someone would wheel his ass into it. He's put barbed wire into the water. How that humane?! Catching people at the border doesn't have to cause their death. If you can't see that, there is something really wrong with you.

Obvioulsy you don't understand. You cannot treat people humanely if they did not enter illegally correct? You do not need judges if they did not come illegally. Once here illegally all measure to capture and return should be made possibly dead or alive. 

I'm seriously questioning your intelligence. Then again, MAGA supporters tend to be uneducated, so I'll just cut to the chase. Rounding up people and shooting them for being undocumented isn't going to happen. To stop a problem, you have to get to the root cause. Our system is broken and it needs to be fixed or it will continue to be broken. It also needs to be enforced equally for all undocumented people no matter their melanin count.

[Opti]

Dec 29, 2023 11:02:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 28, 2023 10:39:40 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Did you actually read what I wrote? I said to employ more border patrol. Treating people humanely is not after the fact. Greg Abbott has instructed the current border patrol to push people back into the Rio Grande. I honestly wish someone would wheel his ass into it. He's put barbed wire into the water. How that humane?! Catching people at the border doesn't have to cause their death. If you can't see that, there is something really wrong with you.

Obvioulsy you don't understand. You cannot treat people humanely if they did not enter illegally correct? You do not need judges if they did not come illegally. Once here illegally all measure to capture and return should be made possibly dead or alive. 

The bolded sentence is nonsensical to me. Humans should treat other humans humanely. Isn't that supposedly the mark of humanity that we can act with grace and compassion? 

That last one is just a very stupid emotionally wrought idea. The reason we even had chicken and pork to eat during the pandemic was because of various people admitted from other countries willing to work crap dangerous jobs for eventual family wealth. 


All measures.    I'm not willing to bankrupt America over your fears. 

[Tennesseer]

Dec 29, 2023 20:34:39 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 29, 2023 11:02:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

Obvioulsy you don't understand. You cannot treat people humanely if they did not enter illegally correct? You do not need judges if they did not come illegally. Once here illegally all measure to capture and return should be made possibly dead or alive. 

The bolded sentence is nonsensical to me. Humans should treat other humans humanely. Isn't that supposedly the mark of humanity that we can act with grace and compassion? 

That last one is just a very stupid emotionally wrought idea. The reason we even had chicken and pork to eat during the pandemic was because of various people admitted from other countries willing to work crap dangerous jobs for eventual family wealth. 


All measures.    I'm not willing to bankrupt America over your fears. 

Not WWJD.

[andi9899]

I always find it ironic how all the "Christians" want to shoot people all the time.

[Spellbound454]

Not sure why you need to shoot people.....  but most countries would round up those who are not entitled to stay, and deport them.

[billisonboard]

Dec 30, 2023 11:43:15 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Not sure why you need to shoot people.....  but most countries would round up those who are not entitled to stay, and deport them.

Merica: Nos Surculus Populus

[djAdvocate]

Dec 30, 2023 11:43:15 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Not sure why you need to shoot people.....  but most countries would round up those who are not entitled to stay, and deport them.

ie, the United States.  

[scgal]

Dec 29, 2023 21:45:53 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I always find it ironic how all the "Christians" want to shoot people all the time.

 I don't want to shoot anyone. I never said that. Any means necessary dead or alive does not equate round them up and shoot them. OMG how people jump to their own conclusions. And lastly who the hell said I was a christian

[scgal]

Dec 29, 2023 20:34:39 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 29, 2023 11:02:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

Obvioulsy you don't understand. You cannot treat people humanely if they did not enter illegally correct? You do not need judges if they did not come illegally. Once here illegally all measure to capture and return should be made possibly dead or alive. 

The bolded sentence is nonsensical to me. Humans should treat other humans humanely. Isn't that supposedly the mark of humanity that we can act with grace and compassion? 

That last one is just a very stupid emotionally wrought idea. The reason we even had chicken and pork to eat during the pandemic was because of various people admitted from other countries willing to work crap dangerous jobs for eventual family wealth. 


All measures.    I'm not willing to bankrupt America over your fears. 

You cannot treat someone humanely until you come into contact with them correct. Everything else is paper fluff. You can be compassionate that does not equate to treating with compassion. 

[andi9899]

Dec 31, 2023 7:20:55 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 29, 2023 21:45:53 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I always find it ironic how all the "Christians" want to shoot people all the time.

 I don't want to shoot anyone. I never said that. Any means necessary dead or alive does not equate round them up and shoot them. OMG how people jump to their own conclusions. And lastly who the hell said I was a christian

You're so full of shit. You have on more than one occasion suggested shooting people for various reasons including being brown and trying to cross the border. You brag about having all these guns and having the right to shoot people. Give me a fucking break.

The "Christian" comment wasn't about you specifically. It was more about those who behave and believe as you do while touting their faith to make it seem ok. Meanwhile the "Christians" are the biggest threat to this country today. Especially when it comes to children. Believe it or not, not everything is about you.

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 31, 2023 7:20:55 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 29, 2023 21:45:53 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I always find it ironic how all the "Christians" want to shoot people all the time.

 I don't want to shoot anyone. I never said that. Any means necessary dead or alive does not equate round them up and shoot them. OMG how people jump to their own conclusions. And lastly who the hell said I was a christian

Trust me, no one thinks you are kind and compassionate, which is what Christians claim to be. Your posts say it all. And, even if you didn’t flat out say shoot them, you have implied that in your posts on numerous occasions.

[tbop77]

Dec 31, 2023 7:25:26 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 29, 2023 20:34:39 GMT -5 Opti said:

The bolded sentence is nonsensical to me. Humans should treat other humans humanely. Isn't that supposedly the mark of humanity that we can act with grace and compassion? 

That last one is just a very stupid emotionally wrought idea. The reason we even had chicken and pork to eat during the pandemic was because of various people admitted from other countries willing to work crap dangerous jobs for eventual family wealth. 


All measures.    I'm not willing to bankrupt America over your fears. 

You cannot treat someone humanely until you come into contact with them correct. Everything else is paper fluff. You can be compassionate that does not equate to treating with compassion. 

Well, I'll give you this.  You sure stick with the MAGA mantra of saying the most outrageous thing that pops in your head to try and own the libs.  

[Tennesseer]

Dec 31, 2023 7:20:55 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 29, 2023 21:45:53 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I always find it ironic how all the "Christians" want to shoot people all the time.

 I don't want to shoot anyone. I never said that. Any means necessary dead or alive does not equate round them up and shoot them. OMG how people jump to their own conclusions. And lastly who the hell said I was a christian

Are you a Satanist?

[djAdvocate]

Dec 31, 2023 7:20:55 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 29, 2023 21:45:53 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I always find it ironic how all the "Christians" want to shoot people all the time.

 I don't want to shoot anyone. I never said that. Any means necessary dead or alive does not equate round them up and shoot them. 

forgive me, but that is how i read that, as well, scgal.
even without the "dead or alive" it sounds pretty ominous.

[Opti]

Dec 31, 2023 11:40:42 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 31, 2023 7:20:55 GMT -5 scgal said:

 I don't want to shoot anyone. I never said that. Any means necessary dead or alive does not equate round them up and shoot them. OMG how people jump to their own conclusions. And lastly who the hell said I was a christian

Are you a Satanist?

I will agree with scgal on this. I don't think we know if she has a religion or not, and she is under no obligation to share. 

[Tennesseer]

Dec 31, 2023 16:41:47 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 31, 2023 11:40:42 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Are you a Satanist?

I will agree with scgal on this. I don't think we know if she has a religion or not, and she is under no obligation to share. 

Then worships at the feet of trump. Cults are like that.

[Opti]

Dec 31, 2023 18:01:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 31, 2023 16:41:47 GMT -5 Opti said:

I will agree with scgal on this. I don't think we know if she has a religion or not, and she is under no obligation to share. 

Then worships at the feet of trump. Cults are like that.

I'd prefer not to paint her into corners she has not already chosen. We don't win against Trump by trying to make everyone that agrees with some of his stuff into cartoon villains. That's FOX and Trump crap. We should be better than that. 

[andi9899]

Dec 31, 2023 16:41:47 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 31, 2023 11:40:42 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Are you a Satanist?

I will agree with scgal on this. I don't think we know if she has a religion or not, and she is under no obligation to share. 

Nobody gives a shit what her religion is. Go back and read what I wrote. It was a general statement.

[tallguy]

Dec 31, 2023 7:20:55 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 29, 2023 21:45:53 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I always find it ironic how all the "Christians" want to shoot people all the time.

 I don't want to shoot anyone. I never said that. Any means necessary dead or alive does not equate round them up and shoot them. OMG how people jump to their own conclusions. And lastly who the hell said I was a christian

Nobody should really be surprised, since making any kind of logical sense has never been your forte, but "any means necessary dead or alive" LITERALLY includes every possibility including rounding them up and shooting them.  That's kind of how words work.  Seems to me that learning how words work, what they mean, and how to use them would likely solve half of the problems you have with other posters....   

[scgal]

Jan 1, 2024 3:43:08 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Dec 31, 2023 7:20:55 GMT -5 scgal said:

 I don't want to shoot anyone. I never said that. Any means necessary dead or alive does not equate round them up and shoot them. OMG how people jump to their own conclusions. And lastly who the hell said I was a christian

Nobody should really be surprised, since making any kind of logical sense has never been your forte, but "any means necessary dead or alive" LITERALLY includes every possibility including rounding them up and shooting them.  That's kind of how words work.  Seems to me that learning how words work, what they mean, and how to use them would likely solve half of the problems you have with other posters....   

No dead or alive means if they die in the process of evasion like hand to hand or in a shootout the person who captures them will not be prosecuted. It does not mean lining people up against a wall and executing them. 

I use my words just fine it is the people here who read what I write and try to villianize it. I will admit I have a pretty hard stance on some issues but that is not being inhumane that is knowing what it will take to solve an issue. 

[scgal]

Dec 31, 2023 8:00:30 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 31, 2023 7:20:55 GMT -5 scgal said:

 I don't want to shoot anyone. I never said that. Any means necessary dead or alive does not equate round them up and shoot them. OMG how people jump to their own conclusions. And lastly who the hell said I was a christian

Trust me, no one thinks you are kind and compassionate, which is what Christians claim to be. Your posts say it all. And, even if you didn’t flat out say shoot them, you have implied that in your posts on numerous occasions.

Trust you

[scgal]

Dec 31, 2023 7:27:38 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Dec 31, 2023 7:20:55 GMT -5 scgal said:

 I don't want to shoot anyone. I never said that. Any means necessary dead or alive does not equate round them up and shoot them. OMG how people jump to their own conclusions. And lastly who the hell said I was a christian

You're so full of shit. You have on more than one occasion suggested shooting people for various reasons including being brown and trying to cross the border. You brag about having all these guns and having the right to shoot people. Give me a fucking break.

The "Christian" comment wasn't about you specifically. It was more about those who behave and believe as you do while touting their faith to make it seem ok. Meanwhile the "Christians" are the biggest threat to this country today. Especially when it comes to children. Believe it or not, not everything is about you.

Boy have you got issues. I never said shoot "Brown people trying to cross the border" I made a comment about shooting a person if they cross (no brown person noted). I also explained in later posts that it would be an extreme situation if this problem doesn't get resolved. I would not condone that. Yes I have guns actually alot are for investment purposes that does not mean anything. Yes there are reasons I would kill a person without much hesitation, let me ask you this if someone was beating your dog to death would you shoot them if you had a firearem on you. 

[Opti]

Jan 1, 2024 8:59:27 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jan 1, 2024 3:43:08 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Nobody should really be surprised, since making any kind of logical sense has never been your forte, but "any means necessary dead or alive" LITERALLY includes every possibility including rounding them up and shooting them.  That's kind of how words work.  Seems to me that learning how words work, what they mean, and how to use them would likely solve half of the problems you have with other posters....   

No dead or alive means if they die in the process of evasion like hand to hand or in a shootout the person who captures them will not be prosecuted. It does not mean lining people up against a wall and executing them. 

I use my words just fine it is the people here who read what I write and try to villianize it. I will admit I have a pretty hard stance on some issues but that is not being inhumane that is knowing what it will take to solve an issue. 

Scgal, the politics board is a great proving ground in learning how to phrase things so what you mean is what you actually write. Any means necessary is as TG described it. The fact that you did not write it initially to mean what you wanted it to mean is a choice you made. One I hope you reconsider when you write future posts.

Yes there are some pretty biased posters that are not you and I would suggest ignoring them or blocking them. It would be a great relief to me if you are PMD blocked one another as I don't think your exchanges are at all productive. 

Reread your posts before posting and see if you are actually writing what you want to. This will not stop everything because some people will take your words one way because of what they would mean if they said them. That is baggage they carry, and I have found nothing that will protect one from assumptions certain people believe based on their own laziness or bias growing up. 

Try to remember any means necessary ... dead or alive did not work in the end for the Berlin wall or the great Chinese Wall, things just go a different way to resolve. You rarely solve problems with a wall, or even mining your rivers with barbed wire. A big issue is why are they coming and to recognize they are not just coming to the US but Europe and other countries. That first issue is what Kamala and Biden have been working on. It is not quick. It is not something showy soundbites work on. But it can be far more successful than trying to turn away desperate people fleeing death and waning more than crappy survival for their lives.

[andi9899]

Jan 1, 2024 8:59:27 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jan 1, 2024 3:43:08 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Nobody should really be surprised, since making any kind of logical sense has never been your forte, but "any means necessary dead or alive" LITERALLY includes every possibility including rounding them up and shooting them.  That's kind of how words work.  Seems to me that learning how words work, what they mean, and how to use them would likely solve half of the problems you have with other posters....   

No dead or alive means if they die in the process of evasion like hand to hand or in a shootout the person who captures them will not be prosecuted. It does not mean lining people up against a wall and executing them. 

I use my words just fine it is the people here who read what I write and try to villianize it. I will admit I have a pretty hard stance on some issues but that is not being inhumane that is knowing what it will take to solve an issue. 

Get off rounding people up. There are too many. All you can really do with those here is deport them legally as you find them. The way to a solution is getting to the root cause. Why can't you understand that?! Are you so blinded by your hate for those that are different than you that you can't think logically?

[tbop77]

Jan 1, 2024 9:10:11 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 31, 2023 7:27:38 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

You're so full of shit. You have on more than one occasion suggested shooting people for various reasons including being brown and trying to cross the border. You brag about having all these guns and having the right to shoot people. Give me a fucking break.

The "Christian" comment wasn't about you specifically. It was more about those who behave and believe as you do while touting their faith to make it seem ok. Meanwhile the "Christians" are the biggest threat to this country today. Especially when it comes to children. Believe it or not, not everything is about you.

Boy have you got issues. I never said shoot "Brown people trying to cross the border" I made a comment about shooting a person if they cross (no brown person noted). I also explained in later posts that it would be an extreme situation if this problem doesn't get resolved. I would not condone that. Yes I have guns actually alot are for investment purposes that does not mean anything. Yes there are reasons I would kill a person without much hesitation, let me ask you this if someone was beating your dog to death would you shoot them if you had a firearem on you. 

I'll step up.  Would I shoot a human being for beating a dog?  Hell NO~
Is this the America you want?

[andi9899]

Jan 1, 2024 9:10:11 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 31, 2023 7:27:38 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

You're so full of shit. You have on more than one occasion suggested shooting people for various reasons including being brown and trying to cross the border. You brag about having all these guns and having the right to shoot people. Give me a fucking break.

The "Christian" comment wasn't about you specifically. It was more about those who behave and believe as you do while touting their faith to make it seem ok. Meanwhile the "Christians" are the biggest threat to this country today. Especially when it comes to children. Believe it or not, not everything is about you.

Boy have you got issues. I never said shoot "Brown people trying to cross the border" I made a comment about shooting a person if they cross (no brown person noted). I also explained in later posts that it would be an extreme situation if this problem doesn't get resolved. I would not condone that. Yes I have guns actually alot are for investment purposes that does not mean anything. Yes there are reasons I would kill a person without much hesitation, let me ask you this if someone was beating your dog to death would you shoot them if you had a firearem on you. 

I'm not the one with issues. You have multiple times suggested shooting people trying to cross the border. What kind of people are trying to cross the southern border? Mexicans. Brown people. You and the other MAGAs have never once mentioned the Canadian border. Why is that? It's because those people are white. You don't have to mention color to be racist. You're backpedaling.

I would never put one of my dogs in a situation where someone could harm them. I'm a responsible dog owner which means keeping my dogs and other people safe. I've managed to be on this earth this long without needing a firearem. I don't need one to defend myself. I don't think owning firearems is a bad thing, as long as you're responsible. It's the trigger happy nut jobs like you that are the reason we need gun control.

[billisonboard]

Jan 1, 2024 9:10:11 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 31, 2023 7:27:38 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

You're so full of shit. You have on more than one occasion suggested shooting people for various reasons including being brown and trying to cross the border. You brag about having all these guns and having the right to shoot people. Give me a fucking break.

The "Christian" comment wasn't about you specifically. It was more about those who behave and believe as you do while touting their faith to make it seem ok. Meanwhile the "Christians" are the biggest threat to this country today. Especially when it comes to children. Believe it or not, not everything is about you.

Boy have you got issues. I never said shoot "Brown people trying to cross the border" I made a comment about shooting a person if they cross (no brown person noted). I also explained in later posts that it would be an extreme situation if this problem doesn't get resolved. I would not condone that. Yes I have guns actually alot are for investment purposes that does not mean anything. Yes there are reasons I would kill a person without much hesitation, let me ask you this if someone was beating your dog to death would you shoot them if you had a firearem on you. 

I have questions on the question. How would I know that the person is beating the dog "to death"? What steps have been taken to stop the person prior? I am not proficient in use of a firearm, so what are my chances of hitting the dog (creating the result I am attempting to prevent) or another person? Do I know the person and/or potential reasons for their actions? Bottom line, likely not.

[tallguy]

Jan 1, 2024 8:59:27 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jan 1, 2024 3:43:08 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Nobody should really be surprised, since making any kind of logical sense has never been your forte, but "any means necessary dead or alive" LITERALLY includes every possibility including rounding them up and shooting them.  That's kind of how words work.  Seems to me that learning how words work, what they mean, and how to use them would likely solve half of the problems you have with other posters....   

No dead or alive means if they die in the process of evasion like hand to hand or in a shootout the person who captures them will not be prosecuted. It does not mean lining people up against a wall and executing them. 

I use my words just fine it is the people here who read what I write and try to villianize it. I will admit I have a pretty hard stance on some issues but that is not being inhumane that is knowing what it will take to solve an issue. 

By whose standards?  There are some here who can engage in high-level discourse, both in coming up with effective, rational arguments and in expressing their thoughts well.  There are others who are able to get by pretty well, and at least make themselves clearly understood.  Others generally manage to stumble through most of the time, although they do face-plant on occasion and would never impress anybody with even an average IQ.  Then there are (or have been) those who could not find a rational, coherent argument with some combination of map, flashlight, GPS, metal detector, and bloodhound.  You may not be in the latter group, but I would be hard-pressed to put you in the first two.  And for the record, if you WERE able to clearly express what you want to say, it would be much more difficult for people to "villianize" (sic) it.

[Spellbound454]

 By whose standards? There are some here who can engage in high-level discourse, both in coming up with effective, rational arguments and in expressing their thoughts well. There are others who are able to get by pretty well, and at least make themselves clearly understood. Others generally manage to stumble through most of the time, although they do face-plant on occasion and would never impress anybody with even an average IQ. Then there are (or have been) those who could not find a rational, coherent argument with some combination of map, flashlight, GPS, metal detector, and bloodhound. You may not be in the latter group, but I would be hard-pressed to put you in the first two. And for the record, if you WERE able to clearly express what you want to say, it would be much more difficult for people to "villianize" (sic) it.

I think that's unfair. You are creating a hierachy, on who is.... and isn't allowed to speak.

People communicate in whatever way they want. Its not for someone else to pick them up on grammar.

If they have got something to say (on a discussion site)..... they should say it.

[tallguy]

Jan 1, 2024 11:54:38 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

 By whose standards? There are some here who can engage in high-level discourse, both in coming up with effective, rational arguments and in expressing their thoughts well. There are others who are able to get by pretty well, and at least make themselves clearly understood. Others generally manage to stumble through most of the time, although they do face-plant on occasion and would never impress anybody with even an average IQ. Then there are (or have been) those who could not find a rational, coherent argument with some combination of map, flashlight, GPS, metal detector, and bloodhound. You may not be in the latter group, but I would be hard-pressed to put you in the first two. And for the record, if you WERE able to clearly express what you want to say, it would be much more difficult for people to "villianize" (sic) it.

I think that's unfair. You are creating a hierachy, on who is.... and isn't allowed to speak.

People communicate in whatever way they want. Its not for someone else to pick them up on grammar.

If they have got something to say (on a discussion site)..... they should say it.

No.  Everyone can speak if they wish.  That is the point of having a discussion board.  If you are going to blame people for not understanding you though, it really should be incumbent on you to speak in a way that both makes sense and makes your position clear.  And like it or not, we are not created with equal ability.  Some people have an ability to use language.  Some people don't.  That's just a fact.  Some people are able to create and express a coherent argument.  Some people can't.  That does not by itself mean they are wrong, but it may make it difficult to give them the benefit of the doubt.  People who are able to do both are going to be taken more seriously than people who cannot do either, and I would argue that they should be.