The border is not open

[andi9899]

Dec 24, 2023 7:27:44 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 23, 2023 18:21:54 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i reserve my most strenuous objection to the bolded portion.

our system of justice assumes you are innocent until proved guilty.  and that does NOT just apply to citizens, btw.  anyone who is "subject to" the laws of the US has the same rights (with the exception of terrorists, who SHOULD have the same rights, but do not.  i can explain that in a separate post, if you like).  so, our undocumented arrivals are assumed INNOCENT, not assumed GUILTY until proved otherwise.

and who would want it any other way?  even FLIRTING with the opposite is a horrendous position to take.  to deprive the least of us of justice is to deprive all of us of justice.

Trump is innocent until convicted in a federal court.  i would fight to the death for that right for ANYONE, including him.  wouldn't you?

The way I seee it is if you come thru a point of entry and start the process you are entering legally hence you are legal and from that point should have some sort of documentation stating your status. Jumping a fence, or wall or entering anywhere else but the point of entry you are illegal even if caught and claim asylum. You go back. If your visa expires you are illegal you go back. It is really not that hard of a concept. 

As far as the poster (not going to go back and look) who says the conservatives don't do anything about the issue can shove it up their arse. How many times have the left have full power of the branches and didn't get anything done on the issue. Both sides talk alot of shit but neither get anyting done about it. Trump wanted a great wall and was called racist why? Would it work maybe maybe not but it sure wouldn't have made it any worse. I'm going to go even farther here and this is where I will get blasted. The ones who were here illegally and had their children here they are all illegal and need to go back even if the kids only know America. Fuck the DACA program. 

So your great idea is asking people for their freedom papers? You know which century you're in, right?

Trump is a racist hypocrite. Why wasn't he worried about the Canadian border and putting up a wall there? Because it's brown people he's after. He even said we should encourage more people from European countries to come here. You know, because they're white. Also, 2/3 of his wives are/were immigrants. Melania even got her family here and given citizenship based on her being married to an American citizen. Chain migration anyone?

How could you even suggest that the DACA program be terminated. These people only know what it's like to live in America. Some of them don't even speak Spanish. But who cares, they're brown, send them back. It's just so easy for white supremacists such as yourself. How humanitarian of you.

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 27, 2023 8:28:58 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Dec 24, 2023 7:27:44 GMT -5 scgal said:

The way I seee it is if you come thru a point of entry and start the process you are entering legally hence you are legal and from that point should have some sort of documentation stating your status. Jumping a fence, or wall or entering anywhere else but the point of entry you are illegal even if caught and claim asylum. You go back. If your visa expires you are illegal you go back. It is really not that hard of a concept. 

As far as the poster (not going to go back and look) who says the conservatives don't do anything about the issue can shove it up their arse. How many times have the left have full power of the branches and didn't get anything done on the issue. Both sides talk alot of shit but neither get anyting done about it. Trump wanted a great wall and was called racist why? Would it work maybe maybe not but it sure wouldn't have made it any worse. I'm going to go even farther here and this is where I will get blasted. The ones who were here illegally and had their children here they are all illegal and need to go back even if the kids only know America. Fuck the DACA program. 

So your great idea is asking people for their freedom papers? You know which century you're in, right?

Trump is a racist hypocrite. Why wasn't he worried about the Canadian border and putting up a wall there? Because it's brown people he's after. He even said we should encourage more people from European countries to come here. You know, because they're white. Also, 2/3 of his wives are/were immigrants. Melania even got her family here and given citizenship based on her being married to an American citizen. Chain migration anyone?

How could you even suggest that the DACA program be terminated. These people only know what it's like to live in America. Some of them don't even speak Spanish. But who cares, they're brown, send them back. It's just so easy for white supremacists such as yourself. How humanitarian of you.

The lack of compassion in her post in regards to the DACA recipients is stunning. But cruelty seems to be the point these days. It is a race to see how awful a position you can take, with the worst one winning.

[tallguy]

Dec 27, 2023 1:39:34 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

A friend of mine in Houston sent me this on the NGOs helping the people get to the US border.

www.worldtribune.com/report-nothing-spontaneous-about-illegal-migration-tsunami-the-ngos-stealth-campaign/

It was a interesting read. I didn't know we were funding some of these groups to get people to our borders! I always wondered how they can travel 1000's of miles and look rested and clean.

Haven't tried to verify this story, but the source is questionable.  How unsurprising.

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[scgal]

Dec 27, 2023 8:28:58 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Dec 24, 2023 7:27:44 GMT -5 scgal said:

The way I seee it is if you come thru a point of entry and start the process you are entering legally hence you are legal and from that point should have some sort of documentation stating your status. Jumping a fence, or wall or entering anywhere else but the point of entry you are illegal even if caught and claim asylum. You go back. If your visa expires you are illegal you go back. It is really not that hard of a concept. 

As far as the poster (not going to go back and look) who says the conservatives don't do anything about the issue can shove it up their arse. How many times have the left have full power of the branches and didn't get anything done on the issue. Both sides talk alot of shit but neither get anyting done about it. Trump wanted a great wall and was called racist why? Would it work maybe maybe not but it sure wouldn't have made it any worse. I'm going to go even farther here and this is where I will get blasted. The ones who were here illegally and had their children here they are all illegal and need to go back even if the kids only know America. Fuck the DACA program. 

So your great idea is asking people for their freedom papers? You know which century you're in, right?

Trump is a racist hypocrite. Why wasn't he worried about the Canadian border and putting up a wall there? Because it's brown people he's after. He even said we should encourage more people from European countries to come here. You know, because they're white. Also, 2/3 of his wives are/were immigrants. Melania even got her family here and given citizenship based on her being married to an American citizen. Chain migration anyone?

How could you even suggest that the DACA program be terminated. These people only know what it's like to live in America. Some of them don't even speak Spanish. But who cares, they're brown, send them back. It's just so easy for white supremacists such as yourself. How humanitarian of you.

You attack the problem. Is there thousands of people sneaking in from Canada? People like to cry racist because that is all they know and can't deal with the actual truth. 

[billisonboard]

Dec 27, 2023 10:10:17 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Dec 27, 2023 1:39:34 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

A friend of mine in Houston sent me this on the NGOs helping the people get to the US border.

www.worldtribune.com/report-nothing-spontaneous-about-illegal-migration-tsunami-the-ngos-stealth-campaign/

It was a interesting read. I didn't know we were funding some of these groups to get people to our borders! I always wondered how they can travel 1000's of miles and look rested and clean.

Haven't tried to verify this story, but the source is questionable.  How unsurprising.

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Wouldn't be shocked if this piece was true.

A map distributed by the NGO Amigos Del Tren (Friends Of The Train in English). The front shows the train routes across the country of Mexico. The back lists numerous hostels that can be found along the train routes and also shows the distances between Mexican cities.

Now is it a part of a sinister plot to overrun America or a guide for young Mexicans to explore their country by train?

[pulmonarymd]

If you want to attack the problem, you deal with why people want to come here. Employers need to be held accountable. FIne them heavily, throw repeat offenders in jail. People coming here would quickly slow down if they knew there were no jobs. How about having a guest worker program for the farm workers and those working in meat packing plants. That would keep food costs down. I have yet to see the republicans propose either of those programs, which would actually get to the root cause of the problem. It is always more enforcement at the border. A few CEOs in jail would work better and more quickly than any of the proposals republicans have.

[billisonboard]

Dec 27, 2023 10:53:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

If you want to attack the problem, you deal with why people want to come here. Employers need to be held accountable. FIne them heavily, throw repeat offenders in jail. People coming here would quickly slow down if they knew there were no jobs. How about having a guest worker program for the farm workers and those working in meat packing plants. That would keep food costs down. I have yet to see the republicans propose either of those programs, which would actually get to the root cause of the problem. It is always more enforcement at the border. A few CEOs in jail would work better and more quickly than any of the proposals republicans have.

Not just deal with why they want to come here but why they want to leave "there". Better support of economic development in their countries would help keep them home. Also working harder to cut demand for their drug supply would be good.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 27, 2023 10:10:17 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Dec 27, 2023 1:39:34 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

A friend of mine in Houston sent me this on the NGOs helping the people get to the US border.

www.worldtribune.com/report-nothing-spontaneous-about-illegal-migration-tsunami-the-ngos-stealth-campaign/

It was a interesting read. I didn't know we were funding some of these groups to get people to our borders! I always wondered how they can travel 1000's of miles and look rested and clean.

Haven't tried to verify this story, but the source is questionable.  How unsurprising.

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Just another of ripvanwinkle's poorly researched links. One has to wonder if every day is April Fools' Day in rip world.

[scgal]

Dec 27, 2023 10:53:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

If you want to attack the problem, you deal with why people want to come here. Employers need to be held accountable. FIne them heavily, throw repeat offenders in jail. People coming here would quickly slow down if they knew there were no jobs. How about having a guest worker program for the farm workers and those working in meat packing plants. That would keep food costs down. I have yet to see the republicans propose either of those programs, which would actually get to the root cause of the problem. It is always more enforcement at the border. A few CEOs in jail would work better and more quickly than any of the proposals republicans have.

Does the democrats produce any ideas to help?

[scgal]

Dec 27, 2023 11:19:57 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 27, 2023 10:53:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

If you want to attack the problem, you deal with why people want to come here. Employers need to be held accountable. FIne them heavily, throw repeat offenders in jail. People coming here would quickly slow down if they knew there were no jobs. How about having a guest worker program for the farm workers and those working in meat packing plants. That would keep food costs down. I have yet to see the republicans propose either of those programs, which would actually get to the root cause of the problem. It is always more enforcement at the border. A few CEOs in jail would work better and more quickly than any of the proposals republicans have.

Not just deal with why they want to come here but why they want to leave "there". Better support of economic development in their countries would help keep them home. Also working harder to cut demand for their drug supply would be good.

Don't we already have guest worker programs? I agree if employers are employing illegals then they should be fined and fined heavy. That is not what the democrats want either they want santuary cities. This problem will never go away becasue neither side really wants it to. 

[andi9899]

Dec 27, 2023 10:42:24 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 27, 2023 8:28:58 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

So your great idea is asking people for their freedom papers? You know which century you're in, right?

Trump is a racist hypocrite. Why wasn't he worried about the Canadian border and putting up a wall there? Because it's brown people he's after. He even said we should encourage more people from European countries to come here. You know, because they're white. Also, 2/3 of his wives are/were immigrants. Melania even got her family here and given citizenship based on her being married to an American citizen. Chain migration anyone?

How could you even suggest that the DACA program be terminated. These people only know what it's like to live in America. Some of them don't even speak Spanish. But who cares, they're brown, send them back. It's just so easy for white supremacists such as yourself. How humanitarian of you.

You attack the problem. Is there thousands of people sneaking in from Canada? People like to cry racist because that is all they know and can't deal with the actual truth. 

You wanna knkw how to solve the problem? Appoint more immigration judges. Employ more border patrol and treat people humanely. Provide a more direct path to citizenship. Provide more funding for sheltering asylum sewkers and keep families together. Implement those changes and then check back and make changes as needed.

If there were a more civilized and humane system, you would have less people overstaying visas and would effectively put coyotes out of business. You'd probably even get a buy in from other countries in exchange for treating their citizens right. Didn't the president of Mexico agree to work with Biden recently, or am I remembering that wrong? I don't remember Trump trying to work with anyone. Instead he pandered to his racist base about a stupid wall.

[billisonboard]

Dec 27, 2023 13:18:31 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 27, 2023 11:19:57 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Not just deal with why they want to come here but why they want to leave "there". Better support of economic development in their countries would help keep them home. Also working harder to cut demand for their drug supply would be good.

Don't we already have guest worker programs? I agree if employers are employing illegals then they should be fined and fined heavy. That is not what the democrats want either they want santuary cities. This problem will never go away becasue neither side really wants it to. 

This response has zero relevance to my post.

Also: What are Sanctuary Cities and Why do they Exist?

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 27, 2023 13:15:43 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 27, 2023 10:53:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

If you want to attack the problem, you deal with why people want to come here. Employers need to be held accountable. FIne them heavily, throw repeat offenders in jail. People coming here would quickly slow down if they knew there were no jobs. How about having a guest worker program for the farm workers and those working in meat packing plants. That would keep food costs down. I have yet to see the republicans propose either of those programs, which would actually get to the root cause of the problem. It is always more enforcement at the border. A few CEOs in jail would work better and more quickly than any of the proposals republicans have.

Does the democrats produce any ideas to help?

Which party is losing its shit over this and wants to make it a campaign issue. Just like Trump and his beautiful health plan, let us see the beautiful republican plan to fix this. They seemed to be the most bothered by it

[scgal]

Dec 27, 2023 13:23:39 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Dec 27, 2023 10:42:24 GMT -5 scgal said:

You attack the problem. Is there thousands of people sneaking in from Canada? People like to cry racist because that is all they know and can't deal with the actual truth. 

You wanna knkw how to solve the problem? Appoint more immigration judges. Employ more border patrol and treat people humanely. Provide a more direct path to citizenship. Provide more funding for sheltering asylum sewkers and keep families together. Implement those changes and then check back and make changes as needed.

If there were a more civilized and humane system, you would have less people overstaying visas and would effectively put coyotes out of business. You'd probably even get a buy in from other countries in exchange for treating their citizens right. Didn't the president of Mexico agree to work with Biden recently, or am I remembering that wrong? I don't remember Trump trying to work with anyone. Instead he pandered to his racist base about a stupid wall.

Judges, and treating people humanely are after the fact. The issue is people jumping entering thru a window instead of going thru the front door. If they don't use the front door then you are breaking the law and are illegal. 

[scgal]

Dec 27, 2023 16:03:04 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 27, 2023 13:15:43 GMT -5 scgal said:

Does the democrats produce any ideas to help?

Which party is losing its shit over this and wants to make it a campaign issue. Just like Trump and his beautiful health plan, let us see the beautiful republican plan to fix this. They seemed to be the most bothered by it

You prove my point one party keeps bringing it up (i"m sure it's political) and one party doesn't. How do you fix a problem by bringing it up. Albeit I still contend neither want to really fix the problem. Deflection to health plan is not going to work

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 28, 2023 10:15:05 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 27, 2023 16:03:04 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Which party is losing its shit over this and wants to make it a campaign issue. Just like Trump and his beautiful health plan, let us see the beautiful republican plan to fix this. They seemed to be the most bothered by it

You prove my point one party keeps bringing it up (i"m sure it's political) and one party doesn't. How do you fix a problem by bringing it up. Albeit I still contend neither want to really fix the problem. Deflection to health plan is not going to work

What is the republican plan to fix the border. They control the house. How about passing a bill instead of trying to impeach Biden. 

[billisonboard]

Musical Interlude

We can't help it
We just keep moving
It's been that way since long ago
Since the stone age, chasing the great herds
We mostly go where we have to go

[andi9899]

Dec 28, 2023 10:12:26 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 27, 2023 13:23:39 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

You wanna knkw how to solve the problem? Appoint more immigration judges. Employ more border patrol and treat people humanely. Provide a more direct path to citizenship. Provide more funding for sheltering asylum sewkers and keep families together. Implement those changes and then check back and make changes as needed.

If there were a more civilized and humane system, you would have less people overstaying visas and would effectively put coyotes out of business. You'd probably even get a buy in from other countries in exchange for treating their citizens right. Didn't the president of Mexico agree to work with Biden recently, or am I remembering that wrong? I don't remember Trump trying to work with anyone. Instead he pandered to his racist base about a stupid wall.

Judges, and treating people humanely are after the fact. The issue is people jumping entering thru a window instead of going thru the front door. If they don't use the front door then you are breaking the law and are illegal. 

Did you actually read what I wrote? I said to employ more border patrol. Treating people humanely is not after the fact. Greg Abbott has instructed the current border patrol to push people back into the Rio Grande. I honestly wish someone would wheel his ass into it. He's put barbed wire into the water. How that humane?! Catching people at the border doesn't have to cause their death. If you can't see that, there is something really wrong with you.

[happyhoix]

Dec 27, 2023 10:53:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

If you want to attack the problem, you deal with why people want to come here. Employers need to be held accountable. FIne them heavily, throw repeat offenders in jail. People coming here would quickly slow down if they knew there were no jobs. How about having a guest worker program for the farm workers and those working in meat packing plants. That would keep food costs down. I have yet to see the republicans propose either of those programs, which would actually get to the root cause of the problem. It is always more enforcement at the border. A few CEOs in jail would work better and more quickly than any of the proposals republicans have.

If you look at the times when the migrant flow has dropped, it’s been when we’ve been in a recession and jobs are hard to find. Right now there are a lot of jobs, and people traveling here know they can get one, if they can just get over the border and claim amnesty - or sneak over and work illegally. 

We need to make it impossible for them to find work without a green card - but the GOP won’t push for that because the agricultural sector and hospitality sectors have powerful lobbies pushing against this, because Americans won’t work such hard jobs for so little pay, and they don’t want to pay more for labor. 

Instead of doing anything that would actually fix the problem, the current GOP prefers to talk about building an impractical and expensive wall, because they know the base loves the idea. They also talk about rounding up and kicking out everyone who isn’t an American, which will never actually happen, because then who would do the shit work for us? Trump does love to pretend he’ll do it though. 

[happyhoix]

Dec 28, 2023 10:20:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 28, 2023 10:15:05 GMT -5 scgal said:

You prove my point one party keeps bringing it up (i"m sure it's political) and one party doesn't. How do you fix a problem by bringing it up. Albeit I still contend neither want to really fix the problem. Deflection to health plan is not going to work

What is the republican plan to fix the border. They control the house. How about passing a bill instead of trying to impeach Biden. 

Let’s look at what Trump did the first four years he was in office - and two of those years, had control of congress.  54 miles of new primary wall, and almost 500 miles of secondary walls (fixing existing walls that were already there but needed some repairs). 

He did not get the Mexicans to pay for it. 

My guess is his plan for his next four years in office is to simply announce on his first day in office that the issue is fixed, and then he’ll spend the remainder of his four years in office pursing vengeance against everyone who he thinks did him wrong. The wall will be forgotten by day 2. 

[Tennesseer]

Dec 28, 2023 10:12:26 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 27, 2023 13:23:39 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

You wanna knkw how to solve the problem? Appoint more immigration judges. Employ more border patrol and treat people humanely. Provide a more direct path to citizenship. Provide more funding for sheltering asylum sewkers and keep families together. Implement those changes and then check back and make changes as needed.

If there were a more civilized and humane system, you would have less people overstaying visas and would effectively put coyotes out of business. You'd probably even get a buy in from other countries in exchange for treating their citizens right. Didn't the president of Mexico agree to work with Biden recently, or am I remembering that wrong? I don't remember Trump trying to work with anyone. Instead he pandered to his racist base about a stupid wall.

Judges, and treating people humanely are after the fact. The issue is people jumping entering thru a window instead of going thru the front door. If they don't use the front door then you are breaking the law and are illegal. 

Just like the trump supporters who broke into the Capitol building (like Ashli Babbitt) during trump's insurrection to overturn the 2020 election.

[jerseygirl]

Dec 28, 2023 10:20:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 28, 2023 10:15:05 GMT -5 scgal said:

You prove my point one party keeps bringing it up (i"m sure it's political) and one party doesn't. How do you fix a problem by bringing it up. Albeit I still contend neither want to really fix the problem. Deflection to health plan is not going to work

What is the republican plan to fix the border. They control the house. How about passing a bill instead of trying to impeach Biden. 

Link to republican plan that passed the HoR but apparently not taken up by Senate

www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2/text

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 28, 2023 12:13:04 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Dec 28, 2023 10:20:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

What is the republican plan to fix the border. They control the house. How about passing a bill instead of trying to impeach Biden. 

Link to republican plan that passed the HoR but apparently not taken up by Senate

www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2/text

Can you summarize it? Quickly scanned with them wanting to build the wall. Anything of value in it?

[billisonboard]

Dec 28, 2023 12:13:04 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Dec 28, 2023 10:20:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

What is the republican plan to fix the border. They control the house. How about passing a bill instead of trying to impeach Biden. 

Link to republican plan that passed the HoR but apparently not taken up by Senate

www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2/text

Senate needs to pass a version of a similar bill and enter into negotiations to iron out differences.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 28, 2023 12:13:04 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Dec 28, 2023 10:20:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

What is the republican plan to fix the border. They control the house. How about passing a bill instead of trying to impeach Biden. 

Link to republican plan that passed the HoR but apparently not taken up by Senate

www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2/text

Last action: 05/16/2023

And then?

[jerseygirl]

Dec 28, 2023 13:33:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 28, 2023 12:13:04 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Link to republican plan that passed the HoR but apparently not taken up by Senate

www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2/text

Last action: 05/16/2023

And then?

And thats when it was sent to senate - nothing done by senate

[djAdvocate]

Dec 27, 2023 13:15:43 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 27, 2023 10:53:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

If you want to attack the problem, you deal with why people want to come here. Employers need to be held accountable. FIne them heavily, throw repeat offenders in jail. People coming here would quickly slow down if they knew there were no jobs. How about having a guest worker program for the farm workers and those working in meat packing plants. That would keep food costs down. I have yet to see the republicans propose either of those programs, which would actually get to the root cause of the problem. It is always more enforcement at the border. A few CEOs in jail would work better and more quickly than any of the proposals republicans have.

Does the democrats produce any ideas to help?

not really, no.

but let's be clear about this, scgal.  one party is whipping people into a frenzy over an issue that they are not doing anything about, and the other is not.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 28, 2023 13:38:36 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Dec 28, 2023 13:33:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Last action: 05/16/2023

And then?

And thats when it was sent to senate - nothing done by senate

not much fanfare on this bill.

i concluded that it was a not a real priority for them.

otherwise, they would have done what they did with the ACA.  they would have done it 25 or something.  also, they would have negotiated a version in the Senate that would work for both parties and then sent it to reconciliation.  none of that happened.

i stand by what i said in the last post, unless you can point to any specific efforts to move this bill forward.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 28, 2023 13:38:36 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Dec 28, 2023 13:33:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Last action: 05/16/2023

And then?

And thats when it was sent to senate - nothing done by senate

Exactly.

[scgal]

Dec 28, 2023 10:39:40 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Dec 28, 2023 10:12:26 GMT -5 scgal said:

Judges, and treating people humanely are after the fact. The issue is people jumping entering thru a window instead of going thru the front door. If they don't use the front door then you are breaking the law and are illegal. 

Did you actually read what I wrote? I said to employ more border patrol. Treating people humanely is not after the fact. Greg Abbott has instructed the current border patrol to push people back into the Rio Grande. I honestly wish someone would wheel his ass into it. He's put barbed wire into the water. How that humane?! Catching people at the border doesn't have to cause their death. If you can't see that, there is something really wrong with you.

Obvioulsy you don't understand. You cannot treat people humanely if they did not enter illegally correct? You do not need judges if they did not come illegally. Once here illegally all measure to capture and return should be made possibly dead or alive.