Hunter Biden indicted

[billisonboard]

Sept 16, 2023 17:59:03 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 16, 2023 16:18:33 GMT -5 tallguy said:

That is NOT what ANYONE is saying.  What they are saying is that it is wrong for him to be treated differently from anyone else.  If his last name was not Biden, he would likely not have been criminally charged at all, and nobody would have heard his name even once throughout this whole mess.  "Slap on the wrist" is appropriate because that is what anyone else in the same situation would receive, not because he is the president's son.  Nobody should be treated better or worse than anyone else, and particularly not in a horribly-misguided, ethically- and intellectually-compromised attempt to score political points.  But leave it to Republican committee members, because there are frightfully few left anywhere in that party who are either ethically- or intellectually-responsible.    

Ok I agree he should be treated the same there is a guy in Oaklahoma who served 16mos waiting trial for lying on his application he was given time served. Give LIL Biden 16 mos

Details of that case are significant.

[Opti]

Sept 16, 2023 17:59:03 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 16, 2023 16:18:33 GMT -5 tallguy said:

That is NOT what ANYONE is saying.  What they are saying is that it is wrong for him to be treated differently from anyone else.  If his last name was not Biden, he would likely not have been criminally charged at all, and nobody would have heard his name even once throughout this whole mess.  "Slap on the wrist" is appropriate because that is what anyone else in the same situation would receive, not because he is the president's son.  Nobody should be treated better or worse than anyone else, and particularly not in a horribly-misguided, ethically- and intellectually-compromised attempt to score political points.  But leave it to Republican committee members, because there are frightfully few left anywhere in that party who are either ethically- or intellectually-responsible.    

Ok I agree he should be treated the same there is a guy in Oaklahoma who served 16mos waiting trial for lying on his application he was given time served. Give LIL Biden 16 mos

I think he got 16 months because he probably bought it to kill the person who had a protective order against him. Notice a couple only got three months for far more guns and paperwork issues.


Sentencings:



AMY CARWILE, 46, and KEVIN CARWILE, 48, both of Purcell, Oklahoma, were sentenced on August 3, 2022, to serve three months in federal prison. According to public record, the Carwiles were engaged in the business of selling firearms, and dating back to 2012, they made false statements and failed to maintain proper records in connection with their firearm business. Transaction records indicate that the Carwiles had sold approximately 253 firearms through their off-the-books operation. Records further reflect law enforcement seized 112 firearms that were to be sold without completing the appropriate and required paperwork. Their federal firearms license to sell firearms has been revoked.

EDDIE WAYNE MORRISON, 34 of Duncan, Oklahoma, was sentenced to time-served, or essentially 16 months in federal custody, on December 29, 2022, for making a false statement during the purchase of a firearm. According to public record, Morrison purchased a firearm from EZ Pawn in Duncan. Prior to purchasing a firearm, Morrison had been deemed incompetent by a court. He was also subject to a protective order in Love County. A judge had ordered Morrison detained in federal custody since August 12, 2021, until sentencing. He is currently serving a term of two years of supervised release.


www.atf.gov/news/pr/federal-prosecutors-aggressively-pursuing-those-who-lie-connection-firearm-transactions

[billisonboard]

More info:

Accordingly, the Court finds that a preponderance of the evidence establishes that “the defendant has recovered to such an extent that he is able to understand the nature and consequences of the proceedings against him and to assist properly in his defense.” United States v. Morrison casetext.com/case/united-states-v-morrison-211

[tallguy]

Sept 16, 2023 17:59:03 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 16, 2023 16:18:33 GMT -5 tallguy said:

That is NOT what ANYONE is saying.  What they are saying is that it is wrong for him to be treated differently from anyone else.  If his last name was not Biden, he would likely not have been criminally charged at all, and nobody would have heard his name even once throughout this whole mess.  "Slap on the wrist" is appropriate because that is what anyone else in the same situation would receive, not because he is the president's son.  Nobody should be treated better or worse than anyone else, and particularly not in a horribly-misguided, ethically- and intellectually-compromised attempt to score political points.  But leave it to Republican committee members, because there are frightfully few left anywhere in that party who are either ethically- or intellectually-responsible.    

Ok I agree he should be treated the same there is a guy in Oaklahoma who served 16mos waiting trial for lying on his application he was given time served. Give LIL Biden 16 mos

Cite the case, so we can compare the details involved.  And the fact he could apparently not get himself out on bail is not a relevant factor for sentencing.  There was an Oklahoma case with a man taking a plea bargain for 30 months and having other charges dropped after lying on multiple gun purchases and turning the guns over to convicted felons hours after receiving them.  In another case, a Tulsa police officer was sentenced to a year and a day for being a straw purchaser for someone else.  In contrast, most referrals for lying on an application do not get charges filed.  Cite the case.

[Tennesseer]

Other posters: 10. SCgal: 0.

[kadee79]

And Hunter's lawyers wrote a letter to some Congressional members....

And here is a link to the letter in it's entirety....


www.politico.com/f/?id=0000018a-96ba-d816-a5ba-9fff07150000

[djAdvocate]

Sept 16, 2023 13:10:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 16, 2023 10:10:16 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

A conservative appeals court just ruled against the federal gun law used to charge Hunter Biden

The day before Hunter Biden was indicted, a conservative-led appeals panel ruled that the federal gun law used to charge Biden was unconstitutional when it was applied in a previous case.

The three-judge panel on the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals sided against the law in a case involving Patrick Daniels, a Mississippi man who was convicted and sentenced to prison for possessing a firearm while being a marijuana user.

The law in question prohibits anyone who is an "unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance" from owning a firearm.

But the appeals court panel ruled that it was too broad when it was used in Daniels' case and tossed out his conviction.

The appeals court's ruling, which applies to Mississippi, Texas, and Louisiana, came after the Supreme Court issued a landmark decision last year striking down a longstanding public carry law in New York and dramatically expanding Second Amendment rights.

Wednesday's ruling cited that decision — N.Y. State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen — when tossing out Daniels' conviction, saying it was inconsistent with the US's "historical tradition of firearm regulation."

"Our history and tradition may support some limits on an intoxicated person's right to carry a weapon, but it does not justify disarming a sober citizen based exclusively on his past drug usage," Smith wrote. "Nor do more generalized traditions of disarming dangerous persons support this restriction on nonviolent drug users."

Rest of article here: A conservative appeals court just ruled against the federal gun law used to charge Hunter Biden

I would be different if he told the truth and was denied but he lied. 

really?  lying is the problem?  c'mon, scgal.  the streets of DC are paved with lies.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 16, 2023 15:52:49 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 16, 2023 13:52:48 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Are you telling us that you think he's the ONLY ONE who ever lied on a gun application??! If not, can we assume that you agree that everyone else who did (and got caught), should also be charged and receive the max penalty? Or is that only because it's Hunter Biden. Because as others have already said, the rules seem to be different if a 'pub does it.

To be fair I'm happy that he is caught him lying is a slap in the face to us millions of legal licensed firearm owners. I will accept whatever the fine is whether its jail time or a slap on the wrist. I do find it funny that all the ones here who want stricter gun laws are willing to say its ok to give him a slap on the wrist and not a max sentence. So hypocritical. 

not really.  i would like ALL people who had mental health issues or drug addictions to be barred from owning firearms.  but that is not how you feel, is it?

[djAdvocate]

Sept 16, 2023 16:51:17 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 16, 2023 15:52:49 GMT -5 scgal said:

To be fair I'm happy that he is caught him lying is a slap in the face to us millions of legal licensed firearm owners. I will accept whatever the fine is whether its jail time or a slap on the wrist. I do find it funny that all the ones here who want stricter gun laws are willing to say its ok to give him a slap on the wrist and not a max sentence. So hypocritical. 

I’m sorry that what everyone is saying is too difficult for you to understand. If his name wasn’t Biden, he would have been given a slap on the wrist. His plea bargain would have been accepted, no pea brained republican congressperson would have broadcasted naked pictures of him, his name would not have been dragged through the mud, and Congress would not be dragging his name up every day.

The NRA does not believe this law should be on the books. A federal court said this law is unconstitutional. Gun owners want fewer restrictions, not more. Yet conservatives are cheering him being charged with a meaningless gun law. Talk about hypocrisy. Do you think he should have been charged?

this might be why the Special Council wanted the plea deal.  it is not in the interests of him, Trump, the GOP, or Hunter Biden to pursue that charge.  but since this became a hair on fire moment for the political right, all that went out the window, along with common sense, decency, and fairness.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 16, 2023 18:19:42 GMT -5 Opti said:

Sept 16, 2023 17:59:03 GMT -5 scgal said:

Ok I agree he should be treated the same there is a guy in Oaklahoma who served 16mos waiting trial for lying on his application he was given time served. Give LIL Biden 16 mos

I think he got 16 months because he probably bought it to kill the person who had a protective order against him. Notice a couple only got three months for far more guns and paperwork issues.


Sentencings:



AMY CARWILE, 46, and KEVIN CARWILE, 48, both of Purcell, Oklahoma, were sentenced on August 3, 2022, to serve three months in federal prison. According to public record, the Carwiles were engaged in the business of selling firearms, and dating back to 2012, they made false statements and failed to maintain proper records in connection with their firearm business. Transaction records indicate that the Carwiles had sold approximately 253 firearms through their off-the-books operation. Records further reflect law enforcement seized 112 firearms that were to be sold without completing the appropriate and required paperwork. Their federal firearms license to sell firearms has been revoked.

EDDIE WAYNE MORRISON, 34 of Duncan, Oklahoma, was sentenced to time-served, or essentially 16 months in federal custody, on December 29, 2022, for making a false statement during the purchase of a firearm. According to public record, Morrison purchased a firearm from EZ Pawn in Duncan. Prior to purchasing a firearm, Morrison had been deemed incompetent by a court. He was also subject to a protective order in Love County. A judge had ordered Morrison detained in federal custody since August 12, 2021, until sentencing. He is currently serving a term of two years of supervised release.


www.atf.gov/news/pr/federal-prosecutors-aggressively-pursuing-those-who-lie-connection-firearm-transactions

the 112 firearms caught my attention.  Biden had ONE.  therefore, he should get 0.9% the sentence, or approximately a week in the slammer.  i am good with that.

[mollyanna58]

Think of the hours of diligent research required to find one case prosecuted.

[Tennesseer]

No spurprise here. It's gym jordan.

Fact check: Jim Jordan makes false claims about Trump, Hunter Biden to begin hearing on handling of the federal cases against them

House Judiciary Committee chairman Rep. Jim Jordan made false claims in his opening remarks at a Wednesday hearing at which Jordan and other Republicans pressed Attorney General Merrick Garland about the Justice Department’s handling of investigations into former President Donald Trump and President Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden.

Here is a fact check of two inaccurate remarks from Jordan, plus one from Rep. Thomas Massie and another from Rep. Chip Roy.

FBI search of Mar-a-Lago
Criticizing the FBI search of Trump’s home in Florida in August 2022, Jordan, a Republican from Ohio, falsely claimed in his opening statement at Wednesday’s hearing that Trump did everything the Justice Department had asked him to do prior to the search.

Among other acts of compliance, Jordan said, Trump immediately turned over 38 documents he discovered prior to the search, then complied with a Justice Department request to further secure the storage room where official documents were being stored.

“Everything they asked him to do, he did. And then what’s the Justice Department do? August 8, last year, they raid President Trump’s home,” Jordan said.

Facts First: Jordan’s claim that Trump did “everything” the Justice Department asked him to do is incorrect. When the Justice Department obtained a May 2022 grand jury subpoena demanding that Trump turn over all documents with classification markings, Trump did not do so. Instead, Trump’s indictment alleges, he turned over just 38 documents with classification markings in June 2022, far fewer than he possessed; the August 2022 FBI search of Mar-a-Lago found 102 additional documents with classification markings. In addition, the indictment alleges that, upon producing the 38 documents, Trump intentionally had one of his lawyers sign a document that falsely certified that all the documents demanded by the subpoena had been produced.

The indictment, brought by special counsel Jack Smith, also alleges that Trump committed multiple other acts of obstruction to try to avoid complying with the May 2022 subpoena.

The indictment says that Trump directed an aide, Walt Nauta, to move boxes before Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran conducted a search for the documents in early June 2022 in response to the subpoena, “so that many boxes were not searched and many documents responsive to the May 11 Subpoena could not be found – and in fact were not found – by (Corcoran).” The indictment also alleges that Trump suggested that Corcoran falsely represent to the government that Trump “did not have documents called for by the May 11 Subpoena” and that Corcoran “hide or destroy documents called for by the May 11 Subpoena.”

Trump has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

Rest of article here: Fact check: Jim Jordan makes false claims about Trump, Hunter Biden to begin hearing on handling of the federal cases against them

[laterbloomer]

Quick question...is it true that they only know he lied on the application because of what he wrote in his book?

[Tennesseer]

Sept 20, 2023 20:46:57 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Quick question...is it true that they only know he lied on the application because of what he wrote in his book?

I don't know. Maybe someone else can answer your question.

[happyhoix]

Sept 20, 2023 20:46:57 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Quick question...is it true that they only know he lied on the application because of what he wrote in his book?

Apparently he only had the gun for 11 days before the cops came by and made him give it back - I’m assuming he was on some list as a drug addict and the back ground check showed that. Not sure how he was able to get the gun in the first place if he flunked the background check. 

[djAdvocate]

sounds to me like a flaw in the background check system as much as a flaw in Hunter.

incidentally, again- if HB is guilty, sentence him appropriately for a first offender.
i have NO ISSUE WITH THAT.

i don't want him skating, and i am making NO presumption of innocence apart from that to which he is entitled.

[billisonboard]

House Oversight Republicans say new bank subpoena shows Hunter Biden listed father’s Wilmington house in wires with China

So a man struggling with addiction and the turmoil addiction causes uses his parent's address as a more permanent place to list. Sinister.

[happyhoix]

Sept 27, 2023 9:55:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

House Oversight Republicans say new bank subpoena shows Hunter Biden listed father’s Wilmington house in wires with China

So a man struggling with addiction and the turmoil addiction causes uses his parent's address as a more permanent place to list. Sinister.

Well, those dick pics didn’t get much traction so they’ve got to find something.

[happyhoix]

One of the far right arguments against Trumps latest loss (his business potentially getting dismantled) is that his fraud is victimless - so who cares if he fudged the numbers.

If that’s how we’re going to hand out justice, I would like to point out that Hunter only had this gun a few days and didn’t hurt anyone when he had it.

So no big deal.

[happyhoix]

Heard today that Hunter is suing Guliani for paying someone to hack into his laptop (violation of privacy.)

Like Guliani isn’t worth a negative amount of money. Still, a win would be fun.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Sept 27, 2023 9:55:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

House Oversight Republicans say new bank subpoena shows Hunter Biden listed father’s Wilmington house in wires with China

So a man struggling with addiction and the turmoil addiction causes uses his parent's address as a more permanent place to list. Sinister.

Because no rich kid in the history of the world has ever used mommy/daddy's address when it suited their interest.

JFC.  I'd love to pick through every one of these clowns' familial history and see how much nepotism, drug addiction and other bad shit there is.

I mean look at the Kennedy and Bush families alone.   We could write a novel about the Trump family on here.

FFS shut up you bunch of wankers.  I am flabbergasted at how many people consider this shit to be Congress doing their job. 

[billisonboard]

Sept 27, 2023 15:50:45 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Sept 27, 2023 9:55:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

House Oversight Republicans say new bank subpoena shows Hunter Biden listed father’s Wilmington house in wires with China

So a man struggling with addiction and the turmoil addiction causes uses his parent's address as a more permanent place to list. Sinister.

Because no rich kid in the history of the world has ever used mommy/daddy's address when it suited their interest.

JFC.  I'd love to pick through every one of these clowns' familial history and see how much nepotism, drug addiction and other bad shit there is.

I mean look at the Kennedy and Bush families alone.   We could write a novel about the Trump family on here.

FFS shut up you bunch of wankers.  I am flabbergasted at how many people consider this shit to be Congress doing their job. 

I am thinking it was something simple, along the lines of: "Dad, she kicked me out. I need a place to get mail sent until I figure out where I am going to land, May I use your address?"

[NastyWoman]

Sept 27, 2023 15:50:45 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Sept 27, 2023 9:55:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

House Oversight Republicans say new bank subpoena shows Hunter Biden listed father’s Wilmington house in wires with China

So a man struggling with addiction and the turmoil addiction causes uses his parent's address as a more permanent place to list. Sinister.

Because no rich kid in the history of the world has ever used mommy/daddy's address when it suited their interest.

JFC.  I'd love to pick through every one of these clowns' familial history and see how much nepotism, drug addiction and other bad shit there is.

I mean look at the Kennedy and Bush families alone.   We could write a novel about the Trump family on here.

FFS shut up you bunch of wankers.  I am flabbergasted at how many people consider this shit to be Congress doing their job. 

Meanwhile there is a government shutdown in the making in just four days  if these clowns don't get their act together and do the work they are actually hired and paid for.

[billisonboard]

Sept 27, 2023 17:29:31 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Sept 27, 2023 15:50:45 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Because no rich kid in the history of the world has ever used mommy/daddy's address when it suited their interest.

JFC.  I'd love to pick through every one of these clowns' familial history and see how much nepotism, drug addiction and other bad shit there is.

I mean look at the Kennedy and Bush families alone.   We could write a novel about the Trump family on here.

FFS shut up you bunch of wankers.  I am flabbergasted at how many people consider this shit to be Congress doing their job. 

Meanwhile there is a government shutdown in the making in just four days  if these clowns don't get their act together and do the work they are actually hired and paid for.

There is a lot of specialization in Congress. Some Representatives focus on serious and important things like the budget and some others who specialize in stupid and pointless things like attacking the President's son. It tends to create problems when stupid and pointless is injected into work on important things. It is better when .... oh, look, Squirrel!

[NastyWoman]

   You mean to tell me there is a committee on stupid shit? If I am not mistaken all members have to vote on the budget. They are all supposed to be working on whatever is assigned to them. And, if required and justified, spend some time on illegal behavior of those in power. Not on petty HS clique shit. They are not even putting in enough effort to get paid the federal tipped minimum wage. 

[djAdvocate]

the radicals won't negotiate ANYTHING unless they get something for it.

what will McCarthy have to give up this time?

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 27, 2023 19:05:22 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

   You mean to tell me there is a committee on stupid shit? If I am not mistaken all members have to vote on the budget. They are all supposed to be working on whatever is assigned to them. And, if required and justified, spend some time on illegal behavior of those in power. Not on petty HS clique shit. They are not even putting in enough effort to get paid the federal tipped minimum wage. 

it's called the Republican party

[thyme4change]

Sept 28, 2023 13:16:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the radicals won't negotiate ANYTHING unless they get something for it.

what will McCarthy have to give up this time?

I would love to see one brave Republican moderate make a bunch of promises to the far right and then get in the speaker position and make a bunch of deals with a bunch of moderate democrats. Sure, they probably would not be elected again - but they could go out in a blaze of glory. Write a book, speaker circuit and call it a life well spent.

[happyhoix]

Sept 28, 2023 13:16:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the radicals won't negotiate ANYTHING unless they get something for it.

what will McCarthy have to give up this time?

Marge wants to reduce the Sec of War pay to a dollar. She wants to defund the DOJ. No money for Ukraine. A bunch of other stupid stuff.

The far righties are going to shut it down because Trump told them to, because he thinks that will derail some of the legal crap against him.

It won’t.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 28, 2023 13:31:28 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 28, 2023 13:16:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the radicals won't negotiate ANYTHING unless they get something for it.

what will McCarthy have to give up this time?

Marge wants to reduce the Sec of War pay to a dollar. She wants to defund the DOJ. No money for Ukraine. A bunch of other stupid stuff.

The far righties are going to shut it down because Trump told them to, because he thinks that will derail some of the legal crap against him.

It won’t.

precisely.  it is almost like they don't care what facts are.

whoda thunk?