Trump indicted thirty-seven counts Mar-a-lago docs

[happyhoix]

Jun 15, 2023 0:03:31 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jun 14, 2023 20:47:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Well that explains why trump is in trouble, yes?

Even more trouble than that, I believe.  Notably, the indictment in Florida left out any charges on the reported cases of showing classified documents to unauthorized persons at Bedminster.  Dissemination of classified information is a more serious crime than willful retention of documents.  I can easily believe that there could be another indictment coming in New Jersey if some MAGA believer screws up the jury, or Judge Cannon screws up the prosecution's case.  Because that behavior happened in New Jersey, it would be properly charged in New Jersey.  

Saw this on TV this am - second indictment in New Jersey over the two instances of showing off classified documents to untrained people may be in the works.

This way if a MAGA minion wrecks the Florida case they have a second indictment in a less MAGA state.

[billisonboard]

Jun 15, 2023 7:18:06 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jun 15, 2023 0:03:31 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Even more trouble than that, I believe.  Notably, the indictment in Florida left out any charges on the reported cases of showing classified documents to unauthorized persons at Bedminster.  Dissemination of classified information is a more serious crime than willful retention of documents.  I can easily believe that there could be another indictment coming in New Jersey if some MAGA believer screws up the jury, or Judge Cannon screws up the prosecution's case.  Because that behavior happened in New Jersey, it would be properly charged in New Jersey.  

Saw this on TV this am - second indictment in New Jersey over the two instances of showing off classified documents to untrained people may be in the works.

This way if a MAGA minion wrecks the Florida case they have a second indictment in a less MAGA state.

Plus there is DC and the insurrection. And Georgia. They got to get him somehow. At least that is how he will frame it. Is there a point that enough voters will buy it?

[happyhoix]

Jun 15, 2023 8:05:20 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 15, 2023 7:18:06 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Saw this on TV this am - second indictment in New Jersey over the two instances of showing off classified documents to untrained people may be in the works.

This way if a MAGA minion wrecks the Florida case they have a second indictment in a less MAGA state.

Plus there is DC and the insurrection. And Georgia. They got to get him somehow. At least that is how he will frame it. Is there a point that enough voters will buy it?

There is no point where his most dedicated followers will buy it. This is a deep state action against the one politician in America who is not part of the deep state and who is truly fighting for ‘Merica.

However, I know three people who voted for Trump twice who are not conspiracy nuts. All three said they’re voting for any other GOP candidate because they are tired of the constant drama. We have to hope they’re enough of those folks and independents who will defeat Trump in the primary.

I’ll be voting in the GOP primary again this year myself 😉

[Icelandic Woman]

KARMA BABY!
Thank you for my early Birthday present Jack Smith! You rock!!!

[Bob Ross]

Jun 15, 2023 9:47:23 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jun 15, 2023 8:05:20 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Plus there is DC and the insurrection. And Georgia. They got to get him somehow. At least that is how he will frame it. Is there a point that enough voters will buy it?

There is no point where his most dedicated followers will buy it. This is a deep state action against the one politician in America who is not part of the deep state and who is truly fighting for ‘Merica.

However, I know three people who voted for Trump twice who are not conspiracy nuts. All three said they’re voting for any other GOP candidate because they are tired of the constant drama. We have to hope they’re enough of those folks and independents who will defeat Trump in the primary.

I’ll be voting in the GOP primary again this year myself 😉

Nah, we want him to win the primary. 

There is no chance in hell he could win the General (from prison)  .  He couldn't win in 2020, and it's not like he's gained voters with all that has happened since.

He's toast.

[djAdvocate]

if Biden had a stroke or something, i would not be nearly so sure.

[billisonboard]

I think it would be better for the long term health of our nation to have him rejected by Republican primary voters and the GOP national convention. 

[laterbloomer]

Jun 15, 2023 14:15:49 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

Jun 15, 2023 9:47:23 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

There is no point where his most dedicated followers will buy it. This is a deep state action against the one politician in America who is not part of the deep state and who is truly fighting for ‘Merica.

However, I know three people who voted for Trump twice who are not conspiracy nuts. All three said they’re voting for any other GOP candidate because they are tired of the constant drama. We have to hope they’re enough of those folks and independents who will defeat Trump in the primary.

I’ll be voting in the GOP primary again this year myself 😉

Nah, we want him to win the primary. 

There is no chance in hell he could win the General (from prison)  .  He couldn't win in 2020, and it's not like he's gained voters with all that has happened since.

He's toast.

Most of us thought he couldn’t win in 2016. Take him out ASAP!

[Opti]

Jun 15, 2023 20:22:31 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jun 15, 2023 14:15:49 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

Nah, we want him to win the primary. 

There is no chance in hell he could win the General (from prison)  .  He couldn't win in 2020, and it's not like he's gained voters with all that has happened since.

He's toast.

Most of us thought he couldn’t win in 2016. Take him out ASAP!

Could you send him a letter telling him how much you wish he would build a Trump hotel near you and what properties are available?
 

[laterbloomer]

Jun 15, 2023 20:44:42 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jun 15, 2023 20:22:31 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Most of us thought he couldn’t win in 2016. Take him out ASAP!

Could you send him a letter telling him how much you wish he would build a Trump hotel near you and what properties are available?
 

That would be a hard no!

[thyme4change]

Jun 15, 2023 20:22:31 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jun 15, 2023 14:15:49 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

Nah, we want him to win the primary. 

There is no chance in hell he could win the General (from prison)  .  He couldn't win in 2020, and it's not like he's gained voters with all that has happened since.

He's toast.

Most of us thought he couldn’t win in 2016. Take him out ASAP!

I think there were a lot of people who voted for him because he was an unknown. I also think misogyny played a large part.

Trump would probably win against Kamala.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 15, 2023 23:20:59 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jun 15, 2023 20:22:31 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Most of us thought he couldn’t win in 2016. Take him out ASAP!

I think there were a lot of people who voted for him because he was an unknown. I also think misogyny played a large part.

Trump would probably win against Kamala.

he might.

he might not.

[busymom]

It still amazes me how the GOP tries to defend him.  Saw this today, & IMHO it applies to Trump:

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 16, 2023 9:46:03 GMT -5 busymom said:

It still amazes me how the GOP tries to defend him.  Saw this today, & IMHO it applies to Trump:

At this point I think they have to.   They have no real policies or platforms of their own.  Everything is on owning the dems and consolidating their power.   Trump has shown that he is the quickest easiest path to both goals.

[Tennesseer]

The “lock her up” crowd is freaking out about

“lock him up.”

See? Pronouns DO matter.

[Tennesseer]

[hurley1980]

While I don't necessary agree with this decision, its pretty dang smart on Smiths part! It puts to bed the argument that this whole situation is to stop Trump from becoming president. 

Donald Trump's attempt to paint his 37-count federal indictment brought by the DOJ as a "political" move that would cripple his presidential run suffered a major blow on Tuesday when special counsel Jack Smith omitted a charge that would have barred him from public office.



According to a report from the New York Times, Florida Magistrate Jonathan Goodman appeared startled at the lack of restrictions the prosecutors were asking to be placed upon the former president during his arraignment -- many of which could have constrained his 2024 presidential campaign schedule.

Allowing the former president to freely move about the country after being charged with, among other things, serious violations of the Espionage Act, surprised some court watchers but, in the long run, that took away a major talking point that Trump allies were reportedly prepared to make.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jack-smith-s-savvy-indictment-strategy-blew-a-hole-in-trump-s-claim-it-s-political-report/ar-AA1cDZkm?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=39f73797913e4fcca749d9ee79ff2d58&ei=25

[hurley1980]

Also....I just went to Fox website to see what they are saying, and not one single article on the main page is about Trump and the indictment! Nothing at all!  They are acting like its not even happening lol. 

[djAdvocate]

Jun 16, 2023 15:12:33 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Also....I just went to Fox website to see what they are saying, and not one single article on the main page is about Trump and the indictment! Nothing at all!  They are acting like its not even happening lol. 

you know what?  i think that is great.

they COULD be organizing protests and telling all kinds of lies about it.
but they know it is serious.  so they are choosing to ignore it rather than LIE
about it.  that is very much improved over their recent behavior about the election.

[happyhoix]

Jun 16, 2023 16:46:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 16, 2023 15:12:33 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Also....I just went to Fox website to see what they are saying, and not one single article on the main page is about Trump and the indictment! Nothing at all!  They are acting like its not even happening lol. 

you know what?  i think that is great.

they COULD be organizing protests and telling all kinds of lies about it.
but they know it is serious.  so they are choosing to ignore it rather than LIE
about it.  that is very much improved over their recent behavior about the election.

Well, they got screwed for supporting the Big Lie. What are they going to do now, trash talk Smith and risk DOJ scrutiny? 

The smartest thing they can do is say nothing at all. 

[Opti]

Jun 15, 2023 22:31:02 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jun 15, 2023 20:44:42 GMT -5 Opti said:

Could you send him a letter telling him how much you wish he would build a Trump hotel near you and what properties are available?
 

That would be a hard no!

Oh well, putting his name on hotels in different countries seems to be one of the few things he gets excited about. I still think its a major reason he is so into Putin although it looks like they both learned how to be better assholes to their countrymen from each other. 

[Opti]

Jun 16, 2023 10:22:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The “lock her up” crowd is freaking out about

“lock him up.”

See? Pronouns DO matter.

The Dems really need to use this, not just Hillary. The great white snowflake should have melted by now with all the hot air he puts out.

[happyhoix]

well, my internet is not cooperating with me tonight so I can’t link the story, but Trump told Fox that the reason he didn’t give all those boxes back is because he had his golf shirts and shoes and stuff mixed in with all that other stuff, and he didn’t want to send all that stuff back to the archives. And darn it, he’s been so busy he hasn’t had a chance to go through them yet.

Interesting how his story keeps evolving. I don’t think we’re done yet. He’ll be crafting and recrafting that story right up until he sits his ass in the courtroom.

I hope this reminds everyone about how kids always do this - young, guilty, caught-red-handed kids.

[mollyanna58]

Jun 19, 2023 20:17:48 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I hope this reminds everyone about how kids always do this - young, guilty, caught-red-handed kids.

Well, he does have the intellectual and emotional capacity of a third grader.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 19, 2023 20:17:48 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

well, my internet is not cooperating with me tonight so I can’t link the story, but Trump told Fox that the reason he didn’t give all those boxes back is because he had his golf shirts and shoes and stuff mixed in with all that other stuff, and he didn’t want to send all that stuff back to the archives. And darn it, he’s been so busy he hasn’t had a chance to go through them yet..

this story directly contradicts a story that is already being told by witnesses:

that between around October and Jan of this year, he had gone through the boxes.  that resulted in the 15 boxes that went back to the NA.

the easy way to tell would be, of course, if no shoes and shirts were in those (OTHER) boxes.  which i am sure they weren't.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jun 19, 2023 20:59:54 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Jun 19, 2023 20:17:48 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I hope this reminds everyone about how kids always do this - young, guilty, caught-red-handed kids.

Well, he does have the intellectual and emotional capacity of a third grader.

Didn’t he say he hasn’t changed since 1st grade or something like that?

[tbop77]

Donald Trump on Monday said he did not hand over government records to the federal officials when they asked him for it because he was too busy to sift through the boxes of contents.


www.politico.com/news/2023/06/19/trump-sort-boxes-mar-a-lago-00102611

The old "too busy" defense?  

[happyhoix]

Jun 20, 2023 3:21:30 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Jun 19, 2023 20:59:54 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Well, he does have the intellectual and emotional capacity of a third grader.

Didn’t he say he hasn’t changed since 1st grade or something like that?

Yes, and he was proud of that fact.

Add to that the fact that he was such a brat in elementary school he had to be shipped off to military school and you have some idea how he got to be the shallow, craven adult he is.

[happyhoix]

I will say Bret at Fox did a good job interviewing Trump. He pressed Trump on a lot of things, including the Big Lie.

Trump came off as flustered, combative, self pitying and rambling.

Guarantee none of his few remaining lawyers thought it was a good idea for him to go on Fox and talk about the case against him.

[Tennesseer]

I am sure Trump's legal team will push back.

Judge sets Aug. 14 trial date for Trump documents case

A Florida judge has set an initial Aug. 14 trial date for former President Trump in the Justice Department’s (DOJ) case over his retention of classified documents.

Judge Aileen Cannon set the preliminary trial date for roughly two months after Trump’s arraignment at her courtroom in Fort Pierce, Fla. The judge said in a Tuesday filing that all pre-trial motions must be filed by July 24.

Trump and his team are expected to push to delay the trial through those motions, however, making it unlikely that the Aug. 14 date will hold.

Rest of article here: Judge sets Aug. 14 trial date for Trump documents case