Trump indicted thirty-seven counts Mar-a-lago docs

[tallguy]

If the only way to truly stop him is to convict him of something for which the punishment is execution...I'm good with that. 

[Tiny]

Isn't trump and his documents kind of like Jack Teixeira - the military guy who was leaking information to his gaming buddies?



www.cnn.com/2023/04/14/politics/pentagon-leak-jack-teixeira-what-matters/index.html

He’s suspected of leaking classified data that has sent the US intelligence community scrambling, strained relations with foreign governments and jeopardized the valuable line of information that has given Americans insight into Russia’s moves in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65406559

A US airman suspected of leaking dozens of classified files had a history of making violent threats and researched mass shootings, prosecutors allege.

OK, trump did try to overthrow the 2020 election (Jan 6th) and there are reports that trump did show the documents to an assortment of people (and who knows who had access to the documents while they were stored at Mar a Lago (a resort/hotel and not a private residence or office).

trump doesn't have a stockpile of guns and whatnot in his possession - but he does have the ears (and hands) of various groups that DO have a stockpile of guns and whatnot and are most likely ready and willing to commit domestic terrorism.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 13, 2023 8:58:24 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Jun 12, 2023 16:56:57 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I like that there are very minimal requirements for someone to run for President. I don't think that "they" should exclude people. YMMV.

Now what would be insane to me would be American voters giving Trump the opportunity to do it again.

But, there should still be SOME requirements along the lines of 'you can't have been indicted of crimes related to national security'! Because if you're depending on the voters to make sure he doesn't get back in, I'm not at ALL convinced they'll come through for us.

he could be sentenced to something that reflects the language of the 14th amendment, and then it won't matter fuck all what bills or anyone else thinks of it.

[tbop77]

Jun 12, 2023 12:05:00 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jun 10, 2023 11:17:11 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

theconservativetreehouse.com/

I think this is the website that Paul developed.  Doesn't this sound just like him?  Want some cheap entertainment?  Read his articles and the comments.  


First, it is important to always remember why this indictment is taking place. The DOJ, specifically Lisa Monaco, are continuing the offensive against Trump in large part to cover for the actions of the Obama administration in the originating targeting of their political opposition. Originating Spygate operations (’15-’16), Russiagate (’16-’17), Mueller (’17-’19), Impeachment #1 (’19-’20), Durham (’19-’23) and Jack Smith ’22-present, are all part of one long continuum of weaponized DOJ and FBI operations. The entirety of the effort is to protect the actions taken by the Obama administration. [Note to congress: Questioning Durham this month is defense key #1]

While I would love to wade through the crazy, I really don't want to give them the satisfaction of getting clicks.    I'm also afraid to see where the algorithm would lead me next .

I understand.  Having a few MAGA friends (WE DO NOT DISCUSS POLITICS), I try to view MAGA websites.  Usually catch Fox News a couple times a week. This sums their view of Trump:


In essence, after years of Republican pretenses, Donald Trump called their bluff and said to the republican politicians, “If you really believe what you have been telling the voters, then prove it.” Subsequently, Trump put the platform that voters want in front of the Republican politicians and pundits. The rest is history. Trump exposed the lies within the Republican false advocacy and manipulation, and he put the UniParty in the spotlight. One of many examples was the GOP refusing to overturn ObamaCare.



With the ruse exposed, and with decades of lies from professional Republicans now clear to the Republican voting base, that is why the liars cannot fracture the Trump movement. Yes, boil all of the lies, pretenses, fabrications and cons down, and this is what remains. The Republican apparatus is never going to be trusted. Trump has proven his worth, and Donald Trump holds command because his core America First platform is honest and best.

theconservativetreehouse.com/page/2/

[laterbloomer]

Jun 13, 2023 12:09:11 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Jun 12, 2023 12:05:00 GMT -5 swamp said:

While I would love to wade through the crazy, I really don't want to give them the satisfaction of getting clicks.    I'm also afraid to see where the algorithm would lead me next .

I understand.  Having a few MAGA friends (WE DO NOT DISCUSS POLITICS), I try to view MAGA websites.  Usually catch Fox News a couple times a week. This sums their view of Trump:


In essence, after years of Republican pretenses, Donald Trump called their bluff and said to the republican politicians, “If you really believe what you have been telling the voters, then prove it.” Subsequently, Trump put the platform that voters want in front of the Republican politicians and pundits. The rest is history. Trump exposed the lies within the Republican false advocacy and manipulation, and he put the UniParty in the spotlight. One of many examples was the GOP refusing to overturn ObamaCare.



With the ruse exposed, and with decades of lies from professional Republicans now clear to the Republican voting base, that is why the liars cannot fracture the Trump movement. Yes, boil all of the lies, pretenses, fabrications and cons down, and this is what remains. The Republican apparatus is never going to be trusted. Trump has proven his worth, and Donald Trump holds command because his core America First platform is honest and best.

theconservativetreehouse.com/page/2/

The scary part is that I agree with everything except idiot being a good guy.

[happyhoix]

Trump is now claiming Smith and the nefarious FBI planted evidence in his perfectly legal boxes of documents to frame him.

And the MAGA heads will believe it.

[hurley1980]

Jun 13, 2023 12:09:11 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Jun 12, 2023 12:05:00 GMT -5 swamp said:

While I would love to wade through the crazy, I really don't want to give them the satisfaction of getting clicks.    I'm also afraid to see where the algorithm would lead me next .

I understand.  Having a few MAGA friends (WE DO NOT DISCUSS POLITICS), I try to view MAGA websites.  Usually catch Fox News a couple times a week. This sums their view of Trump:


In essence, after years of Republican pretenses, Donald Trump called their bluff and said to the republican politicians, “If you really believe what you have been telling the voters, then prove it.” Subsequently, Trump put the platform that voters want in front of the Republican politicians and pundits. The rest is history. Trump exposed the lies within the Republican false advocacy and manipulation, and he put the UniParty in the spotlight. One of many examples was the GOP refusing to overturn ObamaCare.



With the ruse exposed, and with decades of lies from professional Republicans now clear to the Republican voting base, that is why the liars cannot fracture the Trump movement. Yes, boil all of the lies, pretenses, fabrications and cons down, and this is what remains. The Republican apparatus is never going to be trusted. Trump has proven his worth, and Donald Trump holds command because his core America First platform is honest and best.

theconservativetreehouse.com/page/2/

What's so funny, is Trump did this same thing. Didn't overturn ObamaCare, didn't build the wall, didn't lock Hilary up! The only thing he did is overturn Roe vs Wade, which I suppose is enough for them. 

[billisonboard]

Jun 13, 2023 8:58:24 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Jun 12, 2023 16:56:57 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I like that there are very minimal requirements for someone to run for President. I don't think that "they" should exclude people. YMMV.

Now what would be insane to me would be American voters giving Trump the opportunity to do it again.

But, there should still be SOME requirements along the lines of 'you can't have been indicted of crimes related to national security'! Because if you're depending on the voters to make sure he doesn't get back in, I'm not at ALL convinced they'll come through for us.

History is full of people not being convinced that "they" would come through for "us" and therefore deciding to preemptively take options away from "them". While in the case of Trump I am one of "us", I am aware that next time I could be one of "them".

[billisonboard]

Jun 13, 2023 10:56:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 13, 2023 8:58:24 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

But, there should still be SOME requirements along the lines of 'you can't have been indicted of crimes related to national security'! Because if you're depending on the voters to make sure he doesn't get back in, I'm not at ALL convinced they'll come through for us.

he could be sentenced to something that reflects the language of the 14th amendment, and then it won't matter fuck all what bills or anyone else thinks of it.

wouldn't matter what the fuck I say. I do question "anyone else" considering the issue of definition of "officer of the United States" would likely end up being decided by the Supreme Court.

[moon/Laura]

Jun 13, 2023 15:16:59 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 13, 2023 8:58:24 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

But, there should still be SOME requirements along the lines of 'you can't have been indicted of crimes related to national security'! Because if you're depending on the voters to make sure he doesn't get back in, I'm not at ALL convinced they'll come through for us.

History is full of people not being convinced that "they" would come through for "us" and therefore deciding to preemptively take options away from "them". While in the case of Trump I am one of "us", I am aware that next time I could be one of "them".

I understand your point. But this is a very unique scenario that would almost certainly affect our national security. It already *has*. That should be a hard nope to running again. Why take that chance? My opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it. lol

[laterbloomer]

Jun 13, 2023 16:29:26 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Jun 13, 2023 15:16:59 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

History is full of people not being convinced that "they" would come through for "us" and therefore deciding to preemptively take options away from "them". While in the case of Trump I am one of "us", I am aware that next time I could be one of "them".

I understand your point. But this is a very unique scenario that would almost certainly affect our national security. It already *has*. That should be a hard nope to running again. Why take that chance? My opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it. lol

No matter what the reason, when you preempt the voters deciding you are no longer a democracy. That's scary.

[thyme4change]

Jun 12, 2023 15:09:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

any plea deal that does NOT bar him from office is a non-starter.  he will win on the tidal wave of victim-hood which he knows precisely how to surf.

the ONLY alternative is to sentence him to prison (if they can prove guilt, of course) for the remainder of his mortal life.  he is in such amazing health that he should be show no leniency for age.

edit: since some seem to think that being a convicted felon would bar him from office, it wouldn't, nor did i state it would, here.

in fact, i am assuming he will be a convicted felon on or about the time he is in the general election next year.  it will not prevent him from running, and he will run.  so, what i am suggesting here is that we should find a way to prevent that LEGALLY.  i know that bills and i disagree on that, and that is fine.

to be extra clear, at this point, i think conviction is a better way to keep him out of office.  if he is convicted to prison, assuming nobody running would pardon him, that would end it, in all likelihood.  the best medicine would be Trump watching Biden get re-elected from his jail cell.  eventually, some Republican would probably win, and pardon him.  but that might not fix his legal issues, if they are at the state level.

then again, it might.

I am not sure he would win. He would have to be running against someone really unlikable. He has the core group, but he can’t win without my father and the others like him. There are many true republicans out there who are not happy with him, and being a convicted felon won’t increase his popularity with them. Those people are generally pretty quiet. They don’t protest or scream on the internet - but they do vote.

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 13, 2023 17:01:12 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jun 13, 2023 16:29:26 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

I understand your point. But this is a very unique scenario that would almost certainly affect our national security. It already *has*. That should be a hard nope to running again. Why take that chance? My opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it. lol

No matter what the reason, when you preempt the voters deciding you are no longer a democracy. That's scary.

All democracy have requirements for who can be elected to be our leaders. You have to be a naturally born citizen to be president. You have to be 35. Requiring somene not to be a felon seems like an ok requirement.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 13, 2023 17:01:12 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jun 13, 2023 16:29:26 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

I understand your point. But this is a very unique scenario that would almost certainly affect our national security. It already *has*. That should be a hard nope to running again. Why take that chance? My opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it. lol

No matter what the reason, when you preempt the voters deciding you are no longer a democracy. That's scary.

no.  the constitution determines who is eligible.  there are certain narrow exceptions to eligibility.  we all agree on them.  

he can run from jail.  i am FINE with that.  so long as he is not convicted of leading the insurrection, which i think is actually LIKELY.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 13, 2023 16:29:26 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Jun 13, 2023 15:16:59 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

History is full of people not being convinced that "they" would come through for "us" and therefore deciding to preemptively take options away from "them". While in the case of Trump I am one of "us", I am aware that next time I could be one of "them".

I understand your point. But this is a very unique scenario that would almost certainly affect our national security. It already *has*. That should be a hard nope to running again. Why take that chance? My opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it. lol

the US has a diminished international standing for letting him run in the first place.  and NO, i am not saying he should have been "disqualified" in 2016.  i am saying the GOP could have prevented him getting elected the first time, but chose not to interfere.

[laterbloomer]

Jun 13, 2023 17:36:23 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 13, 2023 17:01:12 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

No matter what the reason, when you preempt the voters deciding you are no longer a democracy. That's scary.

no.  the constitution determines who is eligible.  there are certain narrow exceptions to eligibility.  we all agree on them.  

he can run from jail.  i am FINE with that.  so long as he is not convicted of leading the insurrection, which i think is actually LIKELY.

I was throwing back to moon's comment that she doesn't trust the voters.
Convicting for leading the insurrection makes me the most uncomfortable. I know he did it but it is so similar to dictatorships punishing protestor.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 13, 2023 17:38:56 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jun 13, 2023 17:36:23 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

no.  the constitution determines who is eligible.  there are certain narrow exceptions to eligibility.  we all agree on them.  

he can run from jail.  i am FINE with that.  so long as he is not convicted of leading the insurrection, which i think is actually LIKELY.

I was throwing back to moon's comment that she doesn't trust the voters.
Convicting for leading the insurrection makes me the most uncomfortable. I know he did it but it is so similar to dictatorships punishing protestor.

there is a legal difference between protest and insurrection.

if the courts can establish that difference, then i think we should keep him out of office.

[billisonboard]

Jun 13, 2023 17:25:08 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jun 13, 2023 17:01:12 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

No matter what the reason, when you preempt the voters deciding you are no longer a democracy. That's scary.

All democracy have requirements for who can be elected to be our leaders. You have to be a naturally born citizen to be president. You have to be 35. Requiring somene not to be a felon seems like an ok requirement.

Amend the Constitution.

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 13, 2023 17:54:51 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 13, 2023 17:25:08 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

All democracy have requirements for who can be elected to be our leaders. You have to be a naturally born citizen to be president. You have to be 35. Requiring somene not to be a felon seems like an ok requirement.

Amend the Constitution.

I have no problem with that. I was just pointing out there already are restrictions. Others can be added

[Opti]

Jun 13, 2023 17:38:56 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jun 13, 2023 17:36:23 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

no.  the constitution determines who is eligible.  there are certain narrow exceptions to eligibility.  we all agree on them.  

he can run from jail.  i am FINE with that.  so long as he is not convicted of leading the insurrection, which i think is actually LIKELY.

I was throwing back to moon's comment that she doesn't trust the voters.
Convicting for leading the insurrection makes me the most uncomfortable. I know he did it but it is so similar to dictatorships punishing protestor.

Protesting is fine. Instigating people to storm the capitol and tell them to get up and personal with legislators is not fine. Especially since they understood he was OK with Pence being chased and possibly killed. He had no remorse about priceless objects like very old chairs and artwork being destroyed because they were not his. He does not care about what the American people own, what's in trust for the US. He cares about his own personal power and most importantly how he could use and market the Presidency. 

[hurley1980]

I'm afraid, since the trial is being held in Florida, that this will end up in a mistrial.  No matter how much evidence proves him guilty, he won't be convicted if just one person on the jury finds him not guilty, right?

I read that somewhere, so I don't know how true it is, or what would happen after. 

[Opti]

Jun 13, 2023 12:18:49 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jun 13, 2023 12:09:11 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

I understand.  Having a few MAGA friends (WE DO NOT DISCUSS POLITICS), I try to view MAGA websites.  Usually catch Fox News a couple times a week. This sums their view of Trump:


In essence, after years of Republican pretenses, Donald Trump called their bluff and said to the republican politicians, “If you really believe what you have been telling the voters, then prove it.” Subsequently, Trump put the platform that voters want in front of the Republican politicians and pundits. The rest is history. Trump exposed the lies within the Republican false advocacy and manipulation, and he put the UniParty in the spotlight. One of many examples was the GOP refusing to overturn ObamaCare.



With the ruse exposed, and with decades of lies from professional Republicans now clear to the Republican voting base, that is why the liars cannot fracture the Trump movement. Yes, boil all of the lies, pretenses, fabrications and cons down, and this is what remains. The Republican apparatus is never going to be trusted. Trump has proven his worth, and Donald Trump holds command because his core America First platform is honest and best.

theconservativetreehouse.com/page/2/

The scary part is that I agree with everything except idiot being a good guy.

I disagree with most of it because Trump does not have an America First platform. It is his slogan, that is true, but that sadly is most of what it is. His real motivation is Trump first and he brainwashed his susceptible sheeple into thinking Trump is America. Trump is them, therefore what happens to Trump is against them - the chosen, the patient.  This of course is all BS and stuff done by many charismatic cult leaders. He's good it is said about finding weaknesses; however, he doesn't crumble everyone and that is his Achilles heel. Some people he can not break, and they are more likely to break him. This I don't think he has realized yet. If he ever will.

There is no uniparty, there is just two-party politics which is not all that different from any democracy with two or more main parties. 

[djAdvocate]

Jun 13, 2023 18:30:42 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

I'm afraid, since the trial is being held in Florida, that this will end up in a mistrial.  No matter how much evidence proves him guilty, he won't be convicted if just one person on the jury finds him not guilty, right?

I read that somewhere, so I don't know how true it is, or what would happen after. 

that is possible.  it is also possible that that whackadoodle judge might throw it.

it is also possible that the case is so rock solid, that it coasts right through and lands Trump in jail.  she may have had a Come To Jesus moment the first time.

[busymom]

I'm concerned what would happen IF he got into the Oval Office again.  He can't serve more than 2 terms, so he could go "full Trump" on our country.  National secrets sold to the highest bidder or given away to his favorite dictators.  The possibilities to screw over our country our endless. And you KNOW how he loves to get even with his perceived enemies.  If you think his first 4 years felt like they lasted forever, another 4 years would be torture to decent citizens.  

[djAdvocate]

Jun 13, 2023 22:18:41 GMT -5 busymom said:

I'm concerned what would happen IF he got into the Oval Office again.  He can't serve more than 2 terms, so he could go "full Trump" on our country.  National secrets sold to the highest bidder or given away to his favorite dictators.  The possibilities to screw over our country our endless. And you KNOW how he loves to get even with his perceived enemies.  If you think his first 4 years felt like they lasted forever, another 4 years would be torture to decent citizens.  

i am not waiting around to see, but i wish you all the best.

[happyhoix]

Trump is now claiming those boxes contained ‘shirts and shoes and all kinds of stuff.’

Yeah, like the Trumps aren’t experts at moving their shit from property to property and don’t have a swarm of minions to pack their designer clothes and shoes into expensive ass luggage sets.

We’re supposed to believe they move like collage students, throwing shit into cardboard boxes after a night of heavy drinking, throwing old pizza boxes and dirty coffee cups into the same box with the nuclear weapons assessments of all our NATO allies?

Now it feels like he’s throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

[tbop77]

The most troubling aspect is coming to the realization that Trump orchestrated this whole fiasco.  He had ample opportunity to return the documents.  Staying in the spotlight and playing to his base is all that matters.  I'm sorry to say I do not think he will ever be held accountable for anything.  

[thyme4change]

I don’t think he will be punished - too many ways for him to escape justice. If he does get punished it will be minor.

I am just counting on the good people of the USA to not re-elect him.

[tbop77]

I see two ways this can play out:

1)  He will be the republican nominee, lose the election, and we'll have to listen to "it was rigged" till he dies
2)  He will not be the nominee and the MAGA crowd will stage their own J6 like event at the convention.  That way, they can fight each other.

Let's hope for #2   

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jun 13, 2023 18:30:42 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

I'm afraid, since the trial is being held in Florida, that this will end up in a mistrial.  No matter how much evidence proves him guilty, he won't be convicted if just one person on the jury finds him not guilty, right?

I read that somewhere, so I don't know how true it is, or what would happen after. 

No, this is a mistrial.  BBC made this claim yesterday.