Trump indicted thirty-seven counts Mar-a-lago docs

[scgal]

Jun 29, 2023 7:51:46 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Yeah trump had nothing to do with the insurrection.

Sure they other news stations are biased and fake news. Not like Fox News and tucker Carlson. The people on January 6the were just normal tourists doing normal tourist things, right? You just refuse to admit how far down the rabbit hole you are. Going to vote for trump again?

I thought I covered this before probably 99% No. I will surely not vote dem. I hope trump will not get the nomination. Desantis is my favorite

[scgal]

Jun 29, 2023 12:35:28 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jun 29, 2023 12:31:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

He didn't tell them to storm the capitol. If he didn't say those words its not his fault. Just more wishful thinking on the dems

Are you sure? I seem to remember him saying his supporters would riot if he didn't win.

yet he never said go riot. Big difference. 

[pulmonarymd]

He just lit the match. Technicality that he didn't say go riot. You think he has no responsibility for what happened for what happened January 6? He was just an innocent bystander. Oh right, it was Hilary's fault!

[laterbloomer]

Jun 29, 2023 12:37:33 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 29, 2023 12:35:28 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Are you sure? I seem to remember him saying his supporters would riot if he didn't win.

yet he never said go riot. Big difference. 

Not really....

[dondubble]

Jun 29, 2023 12:31:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 29, 2023 11:15:00 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Trump had no involvement with the insurrection? You can say that with a straight face? And you find extorting an ally via telephone is a-ok? You can say that with a straight face?

He didn't tell them to storm the capitol. If he didn't say those words its not his fault. Just more wishful thinking on the dems

How about that 3:18 minutes where he gleefully watched and did nothing. Such ‘leadership’. You are naive on this. But I appreciate you agreeing about the extortionist phone call.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jun 29, 2023 10:53:04 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jun 29, 2023 10:28:41 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

The differences between 2016 and now are myriad.

He's done, toast, kaput.

Any other GQP nominee would stand a better chance of winning than him.

Except Ron DeSantis. That dude should have just stuck to running Florida into the ground. No way is he going to be president.

Never say never. Somehow DT ended up in the Oval Office.

[tallguy]

Jun 29, 2023 12:36:42 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 29, 2023 7:51:46 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Yeah trump had nothing to do with the insurrection.

Sure they other news stations are biased and fake news. Not like Fox News and tucker Carlson. The people on January 6the were just normal tourists doing normal tourist things, right? You just refuse to admit how far down the rabbit hole you are. Going to vote for trump again?

I thought I covered this before probably 99% No. I will surely not vote dem. I hope trump will not get the nomination. Desantis is my favorite

Of course he is.  I'll just leave this here....

A veteran GOP political strategist has described Florida Governor Ron DeSantis as the "worst" presidential candidate he has ever seen.

"It's like he's been assembled from the discarded spare parts of Bobby Jindal, Bill de Blasio, Rick Perry, and Scott Walker," Timmer said. Jindal, Perry and Walker, the former governors of Louisiana, Texas and Wisconsin respectively, as well as former New York City Mayor de Blasio, all unsuccessfully ran for president.

Ron DeSantis the 'Worst Candidate I've Ever Seen'—Former GOP Strategist

[Tennesseer]

Jun 29, 2023 12:31:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 29, 2023 11:15:00 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Trump had no involvement with the insurrection? You can say that with a straight face? And you find extorting an ally via telephone is a-ok? You can say that with a straight face?

He didn't tell them to storm the capitol. If he didn't say those words its not his fault. Just more wishful thinking on the dems

trump did tell them they need to fight like hell.

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," he said.

Transcript of Trump’s speech at rally before US Capitol riot

Hundreds of those who attended trump's speech at the rally took him at his word.

[andi9899]

Jun 29, 2023 13:12:57 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Jun 29, 2023 10:53:04 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Except Ron DeSantis. That dude should have just stuck to running Florida into the ground. No way is he going to be president.

Never say never. Somehow DT ended up in the Oval Office.

He's running on "Make America Florida". Florida is falling apart. You'd have to be a complete idiot to vote for DeSantis. He can't even handle one state, you (general you, not you specifically) want to give him 49 more?! The only people that would vote for DeSantis are bigots who are more worried about "owning the libs" than actual human lives. I know we have a lot of those in this country, but I don’t think there are enough to win him a whole presidency.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jun 29, 2023 13:45:02 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jun 29, 2023 13:12:57 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Never say never. Somehow DT ended up in the Oval Office.

He's running on "Make America Florida". Florida is falling apart. You'd have to be a complete idiot to vote for DeSantis Trump. He can't even handle one state, you (general you, not you specifically) want to give him 49 more?! The only people that would vote for DeSantis Trump are bigots who are more worried about "owning the libs" than actual human lives. I know we have a lot of those in this country, but I don’t didn't think there are were enough to win him a whole presidency.

Let's play word replacement.

DeSantis's authoritarian moves in FL scare the crap out of me and I think his policies are going to (or do) appeal to a lot of Trump voters. Logical voters in 2016 on both sides of the aisle ever believed Trump would win, but here we are, dealing with the aftermath that seems never ending.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 29, 2023 13:44:49 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 29, 2023 12:31:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

He didn't tell them to storm the capitol. If he didn't say those words its not his fault. Just more wishful thinking on the dems

trump did tell them they need to fight like hell.

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," he said.

Transcript of Trump’s speech at rally before US Capitol riot

Hundreds of those who attended trump's speech at the rally took him at his word.

Yeah but he didn't SAY riot.  Whipping a giant mob into a frenzy that's not starting a riot that's just exciting your fan base and telling it like it is.  It's not like he said specifically go fight the congressman he just said you have to fight like hell in the abstract.  Not his fault they misinterpreted it. 

[dondubble]

Jun 29, 2023 13:44:49 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 29, 2023 12:31:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

He didn't tell them to storm the capitol. If he didn't say those words it’s not his fault. Just more wishful thinking on the dems

trump did tell them they need to fight like hell.

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," he said.

Transcript of Trump’s speech at rally before US Capitol riot

Hundreds of those who attended trump's speech at the rally took him at his word.

Not just Trump but his sycophants Giuliani and Rep. Moore from Alabama wearing his Kevlar vest.

[billisonboard]

Jun 29, 2023 12:31:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 29, 2023 11:15:00 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Trump had no involvement with the insurrection? You can say that with a straight face? And you find extorting an ally via telephone is a-ok? You can say that with a straight face?

He didn't tell them to storm the capitol. If he didn't say those words its not his fault. Just more wishful thinking on the dems

"I will give you $50,000 to deal with her."


"Murder! What? I didn't say the words kill her. I'm not at fault."

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

It amuses me conservatives are using the "We need to define what 'is'. . .is" defense for Trump.

[billisonboard]

Something that really bothers me when it comes to the whole,  "Well Trump didn't specifically say" argument is that he was the fricken' President of the United States of America. His words carry a different weight than the words of the guy down at the end of the bar. By his choice to run for that office, he voluntarily put himself into a position to be held to a higher standard than the average person. He should have anticipated the effect that his words would have on the crowd and proactively worked to ensure they didn't cross the line that they ended up crossing. 

[Tennesseer]

Jun 29, 2023 14:38:25 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Jun 29, 2023 13:44:49 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

trump did tell them they need to fight like hell.

Transcript of Trump’s speech at rally before US Capitol riot

Hundreds of those who attended trump's speech at the rally took him at his word.

Yeah but he didn't SAY riot.  Whipping a giant mob into a frenzy that's not starting a riot that's just exciting your fan base and telling it like it is.  It's not like he said specifically go fight the congressman he just said you have to fight like hell in the abstract.  Not his fault they misinterpreted it. 

And what did the rioters do when police tried to stop them from entering the Capitol building? The word is in Trump's quote in the post of mine you quoted. They did exactly what trump told them to do: fight like hell.

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 29, 2023 16:20:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Something that really bothers me when it comes to the whole,  "Well Trump didn't specifically say" argument is that he was the fricken' President of the United States of America. His words carry a different weight than the words of the guy down at the end of the bar. By his choice to run for that office, he voluntarily put himself into a position to be held to a higher standard than the average person. He should have anticipated the effect that his words would have on the crowd and proactively worked to ensure they didn't cross the line that they ended up crossing. 

This needs to be said over and over. When you are in a position of authority, what you do and say matter a great deal. Your behaviour needs to be more than just adequate. You should be setting the standard. Holding Trump to the lowest possible standard, as republicans continue to do, is so wrong. And the fact that they continue to do so is unconscionable.

They want to tar Biden with hunter's acts. But god forbid trump or his kids be questioned. No, we can't have that!

[Tennesseer]

Jun 29, 2023 16:20:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Something that really bothers me when it comes to the whole,  "Well Trump didn't specifically say" argument is that he was the fricken' President of the United States of America. His words carry a different weight than the words of the guy down at the end of the bar. By his choice to run for that office, he voluntarily put himself into a position to be held to a higher standard than the average person. He should have anticipated the effect that his words would have on the crowd and proactively worked to ensure they didn't cross the line that they ended up crossing. 

And what was Trump's purpose in sending the rioters on their way to the Capitol building. It wasn't the pay respect the the statues in the Capitol building National Statuary Hall. It was to stop Congress by any means from certifying Biden as the duly elected president.

[dondubble]

Jun 29, 2023 16:32:53 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 29, 2023 16:20:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Something that really bothers me when it comes to the whole,  "Well Trump didn't specifically say" argument is that he was the fricken' President of the United States of America. His words carry a different weight than the words of the guy down at the end of the bar. By his choice to run for that office, he voluntarily put himself into a position to be held to a higher standard than the average person. He should have anticipated the effect that his words would have on the crowd and proactively worked to ensure they didn't cross the line that they ended up crossing. 

And what was Trump's purpose in sending the rioters on their way to the Capitol building. It wasn't the pay respect the the statues in the Capitol building National Statuary Hall. It was to stop Congress by any means from certifying Biden as the duly elected president.

And according to a key witness tried very hard to have armed terrorists let through the detectors. And him too, to lead the charge.

[hurley1980]

Jun 29, 2023 16:32:53 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 29, 2023 16:20:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Something that really bothers me when it comes to the whole,  "Well Trump didn't specifically say" argument is that he was the fricken' President of the United States of America. His words carry a different weight than the words of the guy down at the end of the bar. By his choice to run for that office, he voluntarily put himself into a position to be held to a higher standard than the average person. He should have anticipated the effect that his words would have on the crowd and proactively worked to ensure they didn't cross the line that they ended up crossing. 

And what was Trump's purpose in sending the rioters on their way to the Capitol building. It wasn't the pay respect the the statues in the Capitol building National Statuary Hall. It was to stop Congress by any means from certifying Biden as the duly elected president.

And hang Pence, his own VP, if necessary!

I will never understand how any GOP voter still supports Trump, except that they are too proud and stubborn to admit they were wrong. Anytime they defend him, this is all I think about, they don't want to admit they were wrong and Trump is a horrible human being. So they just dig in deeper.

[billisonboard]

Jun 29, 2023 16:32:53 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 29, 2023 16:20:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Something that really bothers me when it comes to the whole,  "Well Trump didn't specifically say" argument is that he was the fricken' President of the United States of America. His words carry a different weight than the words of the guy down at the end of the bar. By his choice to run for that office, he voluntarily put himself into a position to be held to a higher standard than the average person. He should have anticipated the effect that his words would have on the crowd and proactively worked to ensure they didn't cross the line that they ended up crossing. 

And what was Trump's purpose in sending the rioters on their way to the Capitol building. It wasn't the pay respect the the statues in the Capitol building National Statuary Hall. It was to stop Congress by any means from certifying Biden as the duly elected president.

And even going back a step, what was his purpose in gathering people in Washington DC for a rally near the Capitol on the day of the ceremonial reading of the Electoral College votes?

[thyme4change]

I have never heard of a D politician saying out loud in public that children are fun to molest - but somehow everyone **knows** the D’s are grooming children and running a sex trafficking ring.

[dondubble]

Jun 29, 2023 12:37:33 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 29, 2023 12:35:28 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Are you sure? I seem to remember him saying his supporters would riot if he didn't win.

yet he never said go riot. Big difference. 

Here is Rudy the Sickophant pushing the Trump message. Yeah, do that “combat” Rudy.

[Opti]

Jun 29, 2023 7:23:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jun 28, 2023 23:52:47 GMT -5 Opti said:

I think this is because you don't consume balanced news sources and go to the ones that have been protecting Trump since he was a candidate in 2016. They don't tell you all the criminal things he's done. I remember it being so bad and awful that each month in the beginning of his term felt like a year. I did not think I would last under the onslaught of blatant criminality and obvious lies.

But, you are not the only one who missed them. See the youtube video above.

<removed quote of name calling, which was also removed from original post - moon>

You have disabled your brain and thoughts by only exposing it to lies and half-truths much like the people in the video. If all you have is talking points of Trump and other RW pundits, its not the other side which are morons, it's your collective. And it is not blood thirsty to want someone who repeatedly, constantly does criminal behavior to be punished. Heck the people in the video probably aren't aware enough to even know Hunter Biden was investigated and has already been punished for doing his taxes incorrectly. Anyone living and breathing in the US should know Trump has cheated far worse on his taxes, yet no hue and cry from the mushrooms. 

That is where you are wrong I do watch other news stations. The bias on some of those are sickening. I voted for trump but i'm not a trump supporter if that can make any sense. The video starts right off saying about the impeachments. I'm done right there they were bogus democrat bullshit. Trump had nothing to do with the insurrection and the phone call to ukraine was perfectly legit. No need for me to fo further. 

There would have been no insurrection or storming of the Capitol if Trump hadn't practically begged for it. Phone calls by US Presidents trying to strong arm countries are not acceptable behavior. The fact that you can't admit Trump's wrongdoing on either is pretty scary.

Trump was guilty of so much and most of it really hasn't been released to the public. Hunter Biden's laptop is toddler crap compared to all the things Trump did and asked to be done in his name. He is easily the most corrupt President of my lifetime. I expected him to do some of it, but his desire to grift was larger than I had anticipated.

[tallguy]

Reading all this makes me wish I held the Carolina Kool-Aid concession.  License to print money!      

[pulmonarymd]

Put a toddler in a situation that has unlimited temptation, he will always want more. If you refuse to parent him, you get the toddler being the one running the show. Trump has the self control of a toddler. Congress refused to enforce the limits that every other president work within. Voila, we got the results we should have expected

[hurley1980]

What does scgal do for work?  Does anyone know? Because she sure seems to think she knows more than doctors, lawyers, law enforcement, etc. I'm just wondering where all this "knowledge" she has comes from (other than Fox Entertainment).....

[Opti]

Nice video of Chris Christie about a DeSantis answer on J6 but also touches on Trump's culpability on that day.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/was-he-alive-that-day-chris-christie-tears-into-ron-desantis-ridiculous-j6-remarks/ar-AA1dcy0y?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3f4531ca72e246f1a55719df9927314a&ei=16


Reacting to DeSantis’ answer on CNN, Wednesday, Christie said, “He wasn’t anywhere near Washington. Did he have a TV? Was he alive that day? Did he see what was going on? I mean, that’s one of the most ridiculous answers I’ve heard in this race so far.”



He continued:



You don’t have an opinion about January 6th except to say, I didn’t particularly enjoy what happened? People were killed. People were killed, Kaitlan, as you know that day, on Capitol Hill, defending the Capitol. We had members of Congress who were running for their lives. We had people trying to hunt down the Vice President of the United States, chanting ‘Hang Mike Pence.’ And Donald Trump the entire time sat outside the Oval Office, that little dining room of his, eating a well-done cheeseburger and watching TV and doing nothing to stop what was going on until it got to the point where even he could no longer stand it.



“And Ron DeSantis doesn’t have any opinion on that?” Christie questioned.

[Tennesseer]

Donald Trump Aide Who Allegedly Was Shown Classified Map Has Top Post Working for China Lobbying Firm

A top Trump campaign adviser who allegedly got a glimpse of a classified map of an unidentified foreign country has a high-ranking role at a lobbying firm serving Chinese entities.

RadarOnline.com has learned that Susie Wiles, who will be leading his second reelection effort, is the individual singled out in Smith's indictment, sources alleged.

The New York Post reported she is the co-chair of the lobbying firm Mercury Public Affairs, which has taken millions of dollars over the years from China-based companies, including Yealink, Hikvision, and Alibaba. It was noted the firm serves entities that could pose a national security threat and help Beijing commit human rights abuses.

In the indictment brought forth by Special Counsel Jack Smith, prosecutors accused the former president of allegedly mishandling the top-secret documents after leaving the White House and obstructing the government's efforts to have them returned.

Rest of article here: Donald Trump Aide Who Allegedly Was Shown Classified Map Has Top Post Working for China Lobbying Firm

[busymom]

One important thing to remember about Trump is, besides getting the crowd riled up, is he sent no back-up to help the police that were trying to protect the US Capitol.  Those poor police were literally thrown to the wolves, and on their own.  Yet, they were trying to push back the rioters the entire time.  Hardly a mention is made of the huge number of them who were hospitalized.  And yes, that is Trump's fault.