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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 17, 2023 17:03:28 GMT -5
twitter.com/TeslaChargingtesla charging has it's own twitter.....show the frequency of new chargers beign added and locations. Not sure how they decide to locate new chargers?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 17, 2023 17:04:46 GMT -5
It also has to be a more affordable option for the masses. 42K for a base model Tesla is out of reach for most people. Or SHOULD be anyhow, since average household income is about 70K.  Plus, me switching to a Tesla won't do anything for the environment because unless I choose to destroy them, my current vehicles would still be getting driven, just by someone else. Someone just paying $44/year for tabs instead of $600!
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Post by tskeeter on May 17, 2023 17:13:18 GMT -5
Wow! We regularly drive between Reno and Minneapolis. From your map it looks like a dead zone of about 500 miles between Reno and Salt Lake City. Then a dead zone of about 935 miles between Salt Lake City and Omaha. I’m sure that the “dead zones” do contain charging stations, just not lots of them. It’d take some careful planning, or a whole bunch of very lengthy 110 volt charges to make the trip. It would be even more challenging if we were making this trip during the summer, in 100 degree temps, or for Christmas, when -10F temps are not unusual, and EV range per charge can decline by 25% or more. I don’t think I’m up for an EV as anything but a commuter car just yet. tesla says you can make it, and don't need the long range version of the car either.... www.tesla.com/en_CA/trips#/?v=M3_2020_StandardRangePlus&o=Reno,%20NV,%20USA_Reno%20Washoe%20County%20NV@39.529919,-119.8142691&s=&d=Minneapolis,%20MN,%20USA_Minneapolis%20Hennepin%20County%20MN@44.977753,-93.2650108 No doubt it can be done. I didn’t say it was impossible. I see that if you’ve invested in the long range package,Tesla’s software routes you mostly along I-80. (The route we normally take in our ICE vehicle.) If you select routing for a standard S3, the routing becomes much more indirect, in order to link a series of charging stations within the car’s range. This demonstrates my point that, at this stage of their development, road tripping in an EV requires some advance planning to get from one charging station to the next. By comparison, there are enough gas stations that you don’t have to plan every refueling stop before you leave home. |
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Post by tskeeter on May 17, 2023 17:22:50 GMT -5
WSJ had an article about hybrids. Many people who own them (plug in) stop after a fairly short time. Guess it’s an easy thing to overlook in a busy life A hybrid seems problematic cause it’s 2 systems -ICE and electric- plus interface between the 2 systems. Just more to go wrong. I prefer simpler appliances etc And EV are very much simpler than ICE. Auto unions ade worried about job losses since EVs need fewer people to produce the car The Lightning truck seems to be really innovative. Can power up tools that tradesmen need, also can be used to power a house when electricity is down. Jerseygirl, I’m a bit confused by your second sentence. Are you saying that hybrid owners quit plugging in their cars and simply use them like a ICE vehicle? |
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Post by jerseygirl on May 17, 2023 17:25:39 GMT -5
WSJ had an article about hybrids. Many people who own them (plug in) stop after a fairly short time. Guess it’s an easy thing to overlook in a busy life A hybrid seems problematic cause it’s 2 systems -ICE and electric- plus interface between the 2 systems. Just more to go wrong. I prefer simpler appliances etc And EV are very much simpler than ICE. Auto unions ade worried about job losses since EVs need fewer people to produce the car The Lightning truck seems to be really innovative. Can power up tools that tradesmen need, also can be used to power a house when electricity is down. Jerseygirl, I’m a bit confused by your second sentence. Are you saying that hybrid owners quit plugging in their cars and simply use them like a ICE vehicle? Yes that’s what the article said - they quit plugging |
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Post by tskeeter on May 17, 2023 17:33:49 GMT -5
It also has to be a more affordable option for the masses. 42K for a base model Tesla is out of reach for most people. Or SHOULD be anyhow, since average household income is about 70K. Plus, me switching to a Tesla won't do anything for the environment because unless I choose to destroy them, my current vehicles would still be getting driven, just by someone else. Someone just paying $44/year for tabs instead of $600!
Truth! Nissan leaf is much more affordable. Hopefully, tesla can deliver their more budget friendly car soon.... Unfortunately, it sounds like Nissan is discontinuing the Leaf over the next few years in favor of vehicles with more up to date technology. What’s your bet on whether or not the new cars will not cost more than the Leaf? |
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Post by tskeeter on May 17, 2023 17:44:16 GMT -5
Jerseygirl, I’m a bit confused by your second sentence. Are you saying that hybrid owners quit plugging in their cars and simply use them like a ICE vehicle? Yes that’s what the article said - they quit plugging Hmmm - wonder why? Even though hybrid buyers paid about a $10,000 premium to get a hybrid, plugging them in every day is just too much hassle? Or do other technologies, such as regenerative braking, keep batteries charged enough that plugging in the car every day isn’t necessary? If it’s just a convenience thing, maybe a shift to being able to park on top of a “charging pad” embedded in your parking spot (think the charging pad for your phone) would address the issue. |
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Post by jerseygirl on May 17, 2023 18:12:01 GMT -5
Most hybrids get only a minimal mileage, maybe 35 miles?? Maybe many of the folks who buy these expensive cars really don’t care about wasting things?? These folks are probably wealthier than many. Hybrid car is a bragging point?? Much like Prada, Gucci etc
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 17, 2023 18:42:37 GMT -5
Most hybrids get only a minimal mileage, maybe 35 miles?? Maybe many of the folks who buy these expensive cars really don’t care about wasting things?? These folks are probably wealthier than many. Hybrid car is a bragging point?? Much like Prada, Gucci etc On SUVs. My aunt gets over 50 with her Ionic. But even with an SUV 35 vs 25 is a pretty big savings in gas if you drive a lot. My mom bought a hybrid highlander and it was less than 4K more than the straight gas version. She figures she saves about $800/year in gas. Eta: just was talking to my aunt and she says she often gets over 60mpg with her Ionic. The combined rating city/hwy is listed as 58. This car was less than 25K new in 2019. |
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 17, 2023 20:34:03 GMT -5
Most hybrids get only a minimal mileage, maybe 35 miles?? Maybe many of the folks who buy these expensive cars really don’t care about wasting things?? These folks are probably wealthier than many. Hybrid car is a bragging point?? Much like Prada, Gucci etc I just looked at pricing and I don't think they are nearly as lavish and expensive as you think. Looks like typically only a couple thousand more than the non-hybrid model and the ongoing cost to feed them is cheaper, sometimes significantly.
Base Camry (28/39) is 26K, a base Camry hybrid (51/53) is 28K.
Honda Accord EX (29/37) is 29K, an Accord Sport hybrid (46/41) is 31K.
Highlander LE (21/29) is 40K Highlander LE hybrid (36/35) is 42K HYUNDAI ELANTRA SEL (30/40) is 23K HYUNDAI ELANTRA HYBRID (53/56) is 26K If you drive that Hyundai 200K miles you'll spend 10K less in gas at $3.50/gallon. Seems worth it to me to spend 2K extra upfront. Further mathing. Adding in 13K for all the gas you'd need for that Elantra hybrid to go 200K and you still come in 3K less than the base model Tesla.  |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 18, 2023 4:04:30 GMT -5
Most hybrids get only a minimal mileage, maybe 35 miles?? Maybe many of the folks who buy these expensive cars really don’t care about wasting things?? These folks are probably wealthier than many. Hybrid car is a bragging point?? Much like Prada, Gucci etc This really is a moot point though. We do 2 things with our cars. Travel under 20 miles in town, or go 200+ miles. We might make a 200+ mile trip a couple times a month or so. Math wise, if I am putting 800 miles on my car/mo and 400 is local driving, I will have halved my use of gas, but have the flexibility of both vehicles. We are decently well off, and can afford 2 vehicles but cars are not a status symbol for us…..unlike others. They need to do a job for our lifestyle. |
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 18, 2023 7:04:06 GMT -5
Most hybrids get only a minimal mileage, maybe 35 miles?? Maybe many of the folks who buy these expensive cars really don’t care about wasting things?? These folks are probably wealthier than many. Hybrid car is a bragging point?? Much like Prada, Gucci etc I just looked at pricing and I don't think they are nearly as lavish and expensive as you think. Looks like typically only a couple thousand more than the non-hybrid model and the ongoing cost to feed them is cheaper, sometimes significantly.
Base Camry (28/39) is 26K, a base Camry hybrid (51/53) is 28K.
Honda Accord EX (29/37) is 29K, an Accord Sport hybrid (46/41) is 31K.
Highlander LE (21/29) is 40K Highlander LE hybrid (36/35) is 42K HYUNDAI ELANTRA SEL (30/40) is 23K HYUNDAI ELANTRA HYBRID (53/56) is 26K If you drive that Hyundai 200K miles you'll spend 10K less in gas at $3.50/gallon. Seems worth it to me to spend 2K extra upfront. Further mathing. Adding in 13K for all the gas you'd need for that Elantra hybrid to go 200K and you still come in 3K less than the base model Tesla. LOL at the Tesla driver trying to call hybrid vehicles wealthy status symbols. |
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Post by movingforward on May 18, 2023 7:26:28 GMT -5
I think we will be lucky to get 50% of the population driving electric in the next 10 years. In fact, I would consider that to be a huge win. It's not going to happen overnight. There are lots of variables to consider.
The last hotel where I parked had 263 self parking spots and 4 charging stations. I know exactly how many spots they had because I was on the planning committee for the conference held there and we were afraid parking was going to be an issue. We were right, but i digress...At any rate, we had 1800 people there with 60% driving in. Getting companies like Marriott to put in enough charging stations for all guests with cars at every hotel across the nation is going to take time. Then you have valet parking, which sometimes ends up not even being on hotel property. They have to use other city parking garages, etc. Everyone has already driven there car several miles and will want it charged overnight. There's a lot of logistics in getting us to EV.
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Post by bean29 on May 18, 2023 10:53:34 GMT -5
90% of EV charges happen at home. 0% of gas fillups happen outside a gas station. Sorry. I thought it was clear that I was discussing a road trip scenario rather than commuting. I agree, but people need to picture that most EV charging occurs at home. So, it will not be the whole universe of EV owners waiting at superchargers to charge their cars. I love not going to the gas station. DH is very happy with his Ford Lighting. I don't think he has any complaints. He still has his Mustang. He had said he was going to sell it. I don't want to make an issue of it, but I would like my car parked in the garage where the Mustang is currently parked. The Mustang is not a winter car, so it is not an alternative to the Ford Lighting in the winter. He does have the extended range battery, so the loss of power in the cold temps is not as much of a concern. DH also owns his office, so if he wants to charge at the office, he can. We had 2 ICE cars in the Driveway from Jan-Spring, still we did not drive them at all. We both drove the EV's all Winter. Jerseygirl is correct that one benefit of owning an EV is the car is much simpler and they don't break down as much and no oil changes, therefore the initial cost to purchase it evens out (and pulls ahead) as you figure things like 10 year cost to own. It is a drawback of the PHEV like the RAV4 Prime b/c there are 2 systems to maintain, so it will have more maintenance costs. Still on my RAV4 Prime groups on Reddit, people seem to be very happy with their purchase and mostly not looking to buy something else. RAV4 Primes are very hard to come by. I have an XSE w/o the premium package. DH says we paid about 48,000 I thought it was about 50,000 (We also got a 7500 tax credit). I priced out the Private party value the other day, and it came out at about 48,000 with 23,000 miles on it. DH told me I could trade it in. I said I did not check the Private party value to trade it in, I just wanted to see how much it was worth. If I bought a different car, I might just buy the same car with the premium package, and I don't think I can even get one at invoice anywhere. I am still hoping the Subaru Forester comes out with a PHEV model. I looked for the Subaru Crosstrek PHEV on the Subaru website, and it is not even listed. I am thinking they are not advertising it b/c they already have more orders than they can fill in a timely manner. When you talk about insurance costs, I think the RAV4 Prime cost to insure is more reasonable b/c many of the parts are shared with the other RAV4 Hybrid and ICE models. It is no matter to us though. At this point in our lives, it was more about what we wanted then how much it cost to drive and maintain it. ETA, I don't want to criticize JerseyGirl b/c she is also an EV owner, and has owned her EV longer than I have. I have read a few of the recent articles about the challenges of taking a trip in an EV, but the writers seemed to have made no efforts to actually reach out and find EV owners to interview. I would take such articles with a grain of salt. They probably had their conclusion written before they started the article. MPL, remember that the reason they want to charge more for EV Tabs is because EV owners are not paying the gas tax to fund road repairs, so comparing the cost of ICE tabs and EV tabs is not comparing apples to oranges. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 18, 2023 11:07:25 GMT -5
What everyone seems not to realize is that the US’s current electrical system cannot support even 30% of the population having electric vehicles plugged into homes…..let alone 80%. Take a look at what has happened in TX with colder than normal weather or CA when temps rise too much for too long. All this results in failure, as the infrastructure to support increased electric usage simply is not there on a basic sense.
This does not take into account the lack of support services in large chunks of rural USA.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 18, 2023 11:08:13 GMT -5
MPL, remember that the reason they want to charge more for EV Tabs is because EV owners are not paying the gas tax to fund road repairs, so comparing the cost of ICE tabs and EV tabs is not comparing apples to oranges. I wasn't even factoring in the EV surcharge. I was just comparing the cost of tabs for a new 50K vehicle in MN (1.25% of base value/year decreasing each year for the first 10 years) vs all vehicles over 10 years old being a flat $44/year charge. |
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Post by Opti on May 18, 2023 11:21:08 GMT -5
I just looked at pricing and I don't think they are nearly as lavish and expensive as you think. Looks like typically only a couple thousand more than the non-hybrid model and the ongoing cost to feed them is cheaper, sometimes significantly.
Base Camry (28/39) is 26K, a base Camry hybrid (51/53) is 28K.
Honda Accord EX (29/37) is 29K, an Accord Sport hybrid (46/41) is 31K.
Highlander LE (21/29) is 40K Highlander LE hybrid (36/35) is 42K HYUNDAI ELANTRA SEL (30/40) is 23K HYUNDAI ELANTRA HYBRID (53/56) is 26K If you drive that Hyundai 200K miles you'll spend 10K less in gas at $3.50/gallon. Seems worth it to me to spend 2K extra upfront. Further mathing. Adding in 13K for all the gas you'd need for that Elantra hybrid to go 200K and you still come in 3K less than the base model Tesla. LOL at the Tesla driver trying to call hybrid vehicles wealthy status symbols. I think the $10K is for EVs compared to gas only equivalents. And also she might be looking up the food chain vehicle-wise compared to daily people movers. I would like a hybrid. A hybrid Camry is not that much different in base cost new than a gas only one. I will be buying used so that's just interesting stuff for the future for me. Teslas do have fewer moving parts and that can be a great benefit. When they first came to NJ, the only place to get them fixed that I knew about was in Short Hills, NJ. Rich area. Models come in from NYC to shop the Short Hills mall because NJ does not have tax on clothing. |
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Post by Opti on May 18, 2023 11:27:33 GMT -5
Most hybrids get only a minimal mileage, maybe 35 miles?? Maybe many of the folks who buy these expensive cars really don’t care about wasting things?? These folks are probably wealthier than many. Hybrid car is a bragging point?? Much like Prada, Gucci etc This really is a moot point though. We do 2 things with our cars. Travel under 20 miles in town, or go 200+ miles. We might make a 200+ mile trip a couple times a month or so. Math wise, if I am putting 800 miles on my car/mo and 400 is local driving, I will have halved my use of gas, but have the flexibility of both vehicles. We are decently well off, and can afford 2 vehicles but cars are not a status symbol for us…..unlike others. They need to do a job for our lifestyle. I think TD bought his WRX because he likes it not to impress anyone. I know I bought my BMW 3 series because of what I wanted it for. Had nothing to do with what other people were going to think about it. I wanted it as a daily driver and then for occasional racing when I could afford another vehicle for daily driving. |
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Post by tskeeter on May 18, 2023 12:40:12 GMT -5
What everyone seems not to realize is that the US’s current electrical system cannot support even 30% of the population having electric vehicles plugged into homes…..let alone 80%. Take a look at what has happened in TX with colder than normal weather or CA when temps rise too much for too long. All this results in failure, as the infrastructure to support increased electric usage simply is not there on a basic sense. This does not take into account the lack of support services in large chunks of rural USA. My brother, the electrical engineer who spent his entire career in the power generation and distribution industry says the same thing. There isn’t enough power generating capacity if the entire country switched to EV’s. To make a massive shift to EV’s, electric stoves, and the like, we’ll not only have to increase the generating capacity of the power grid to accommodate the additional demand, but we’ll have to add enough solar and wind capacity to replace the fossil fuel generating capacity that is being retired every year. No small task in our NIMBY world. |
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Post by schildi on May 18, 2023 12:49:44 GMT -5
Yes that’s what the article said - they quit plugging Hmmm - wonder why? Even though hybrid buyers paid about a $10,000 premium to get a hybrid, plugging them in every day is just too much hassle? Or do other technologies, such as regenerative braking, keep batteries charged enough that plugging in the car every day isn’t necessary? If it’s just a convenience thing, maybe a shift to being able to park on top of a “charging pad” embedded in your parking spot (think the charging pad for your phone) would address the issue. Wireless vehicle charging is not really feasible for vehicles. It would be a collosal waste of energy worldwide considering the probably around 30+% in losses. It may be ok for handheld devices, but even there people raise concerns about the waste. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 18, 2023 12:57:49 GMT -5
This really is a moot point though. We do 2 things with our cars. Travel under 20 miles in town, or go 200+ miles. We might make a 200+ mile trip a couple times a month or so. Math wise, if I am putting 800 miles on my car/mo and 400 is local driving, I will have halved my use of gas, but have the flexibility of both vehicles. We are decently well off, and can afford 2 vehicles but cars are not a status symbol for us…..unlike others. They need to do a job for our lifestyle. I think TD bought his WRX because he likes it not to impress anyone. I know I bought my BMW 3 series because of what I wanted it for. Had nothing to do with what other people were going to think about it. I wanted it as a daily driver and then for occasional racing when I could afford another vehicle for daily driving. No, he did not. He bought his STi because he likes the power for the price. The car has tremendous power, it’s a lot of fun to drive. I get it. He really isn’t big on name brands. For instance, he’d never touch a BMW because he thinks it’s too expensive to maintain. |
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Post by jerseygirl on May 18, 2023 13:29:14 GMT -5
NJ has 2 big Tesla service centers in Paramus and Plainfield.Short Hills mall was only a show room
Tesla also has mobile service vans. Then Tesla moved out and now Lucid and another EV Polestar have showrooms at the SH mall. The Lucid is gorgeous and a good range but the Lucid company itself is very shaky
Yep the US electrical grid is not ready even for dependency on more solar and wind power without the NG generating plants. Government is hell bent on eliminating the NG plants in 10? 15? Years? Also NG stoves and furnaces
Add in wanting to significantly increase EVs - disaster
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 18, 2023 13:51:07 GMT -5
What everyone seems not to realize is that the US’s current electrical system cannot support even 30% of the population having electric vehicles plugged into homes…..let alone 80%. Take a look at what has happened in TX with colder than normal weather or CA when temps rise too much for too long. All this results in failure, as the infrastructure to support increased electric usage simply is not there on a basic sense. This does not take into account the lack of support services in large chunks of rural USA. My brother, the electrical engineer who spent his entire career in the power generation and distribution industry says the same thing. There isn’t enough power generating capacity if the entire country switched to EV’s. To make a massive shift to EV’s, electric stoves, and the like, we’ll not only have to increase the generating capacity of the power grid to accommodate the additional demand, but we’ll have to add enough solar and wind capacity to replace the fossil fuel generating capacity that is being retired every year. No small task in our NIMBY world. I was listening to my BIL in Calgary say the same thing about his area. I know that where I live in WA, there is a huge push to switch from natural gas in homes. If you start to factor that usage into the equation, then you’ve got an even bigger mess on your hands. Personally, I like having gas heat and a gas water heater. We lose electricity frequently enough that we have a well used generator as backup. While we can’t use the stove, having hot water and heat in winter makes things much more comfortable. |
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Post by thyme4change on May 18, 2023 14:11:23 GMT -5
90% of EV charges happen at home. 0% of gas fillups happen outside a gas station. Sorry. I thought it was clear that I was discussing a road trip scenario rather than commuting. I figured you were talking about road trips - but most highway interchanges are near where people live their lives - so the quoted 30 or so gas pumps you mentioned have to service locals, while maybe the 8 EV chargers are only for people on a road trip. On top of that - we really shouldn’t have dedicated charging stations- they should be in parking lots of restaurants and hotels and such - that way if you stop you don’t have to just stand there and stare at your car. You can go in and get a sandwich, sit and eat, maybe stretch your legs. Some now are already like that - which means they are somewhat hidden from view. The Tesla SC stations are better advertised, but they won’t be the only option forever. The first mass produced EV was commercialized like 15 years ago. We are just past the Model T era of EV - in another 10 or so years, the whole situation will be different. As far as ICE being obsolete- that won’t happen anytime soon. Way too much resistance. Even if they stop producing them, people will keep them on the road pretty easily for 20 years. After that, keeping one around may be more a labor of love - but there will be infrastructure to support them for the remainder of our lives. |
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Post by thyme4change on May 18, 2023 14:14:04 GMT -5
WSJ had an article about hybrids. Many people who own them (plug in) stop after a fairly short time. Guess it’s an easy thing to overlook in a busy life A hybrid seems problematic cause it’s 2 systems -ICE and electric- plus interface between the 2 systems. Just more to go wrong. I prefer simpler appliances etc And EV are very much simpler than ICE. Auto unions ade worried about job losses since EVs need fewer people to produce the car The Lightning truck seems to be really innovative. Can power up tools that tradesmen need, also can be used to power a house when electricity is down. Jerseygirl, I’m a bit confused by your second sentence. Are you saying that hybrid owners quit plugging in their cars and simply use them like a ICE vehicle? Many of those have like 25 miles of electric range. They would have to be plugged in every night. I get the concept behind that type of hybrid - but it seems like a pain in the ass for not much reward. |
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 18, 2023 14:22:56 GMT -5
Jerseygirl, I’m a bit confused by your second sentence. Are you saying that hybrid owners quit plugging in their cars and simply use them like a ICE vehicle? Many of those have like 25 miles of electric range. They would have to be plugged in every night. I get the concept behind that type of hybrid - but it seems like a pain in the ass for not much reward. If you garage your vehicle it doesn't seem like that big of a deal to quick plug it in when you come home. One with a 30 mile range would cover 100% of my daily commute if I didn't have extra trips...and I'm out in the country. For someone that already lived in town it seems like it could cover a lot of running around in a day.
I really want a Rav4 Prime if you can't tell. LOL
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Post by bean29 on May 18, 2023 15:03:21 GMT -5
Jerseygirl, I’m a bit confused by your second sentence. Are you saying that hybrid owners quit plugging in their cars and simply use them like a ICE vehicle? Many of those have like 25 miles of electric range. They would have to be plugged in every night. I get the concept behind that type of hybrid - but it seems like a pain in the ass for not much reward. Park your car, pop open the EV Fuel Door, unhook the charging cable from the wall and attach it to the car. Takes just a minute or so. Then you turn around in the AM and hang it back on the wall hanger. It is a bigger PIA to go to the gas station imho, but to each their own. |
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Post by schildi on May 18, 2023 19:21:01 GMT -5
Many of those have like 25 miles of electric range. They would have to be plugged in every night. I get the concept behind that type of hybrid - but it seems like a pain in the ass for not much reward. If you garage your vehicle it doesn't seem like that big of a deal to quick plug it in when you come home. One with a 30 mile range would cover 100% of my daily commute if I didn't have extra trips...and I'm out in the country. For someone that already lived in town it seems like it could cover a lot of running around in a day.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 18, 2023 21:10:30 GMT -5
If you garage your vehicle it doesn't seem like that big of a deal to quick plug it in when you come home. One with a 30 mile range would cover 100% of my daily commute if I didn't have extra trips...and I'm out in the country. For someone that already lived in town it seems like it could cover a lot of running around in a day.
I really want a Rav4 Prime if you can't tell. LOL
I have one for sale, want to buy it? LOL. See...the thing is...I WANT one...but I don't want to pay what they're going for. LOL
If I do get one, it will probably be one 6 years old when the market is more flooded with them.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 19, 2023 11:26:23 GMT -5
What everyone seems not to realize is that the US’s current electrical system cannot support even 30% of the population having electric vehicles plugged into homes…..let alone 80%. Take a look at what has happened in TX with colder than normal weather or CA when temps rise too much for too long. All this results in failure, as the infrastructure to support increased electric usage simply is not there on a basic sense. This does not take into account the lack of support services in large chunks of rural USA. that is why tesla has solar and home energy storage. I am hoping solar on my garage roof will be able to supply the needed electricity fo the car, garage door, and lights. |
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